| | Is anyone else embarrassed?Page 2 of 3 (1, 2, 3) | It's a generation difference... all generations are different, there were people your age saying things about your generation when you were all "today's youth age".
The generation has evolved... just like it did for you "older people" (sorry couldn't think of a better term). I am sure your parents were saying kids these days...
With the increase of the attitude change... people getting shot etc etc.. basically an increase in crime... you'll find with any urban development you will see crime increase... could this possibly be why you see all the crimes these days? What was the population in your suburbs/urban neighbourhoods when you were" Vancovuer for example in 1960 had an approximate 791,000 people in year 2000 that number changed to 1,830,000. (a 230% increase).
Interestingly enough... Youth crime (a product of the f*ck it all attitude) has been decreasing since about 1992 according to a government report. (Crime for North America really peaked in the late 1980's... How old were all you "older people" (again sorry)?)
I think it's merely a generation gap. I can whip out statistics gallore, it's just an increase in urbanization... the current state of affairs, the media and ultimately a different generation.
thats my partial .02$
if this sounded halfway convoluted I am sorry at work running around etc.
This is just coming from somebody of the "younger generation" (as I am only 21 years old). | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 4:17:06 PM | | Excellent thread, will respond when I have some time, but wanted to have it jump up the que right now so people read it. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 4:36:47 PM |
No don't send them to Afghanistan
Why not?
Send them to Afghanistan with M777 155mm howitzers ( The best in the in the world,BTW, it makes me proud to know that at least some of our tax dollars have been spent wisely, equipping our troops with the best equipment available), line them up on the Pakistan border to fire tactical nukes into the Taliban's safe areas in Pakistan's tribal territories, and waste all of those piece of shit Islamonazi's.
There's no life like it. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 4:51:14 PM | I agree this thread has turned more interesting than I thought it might.
clearly you don't even see through the crowd to know the group i'm referring to so i'd suggest asking questions or examining yourself
krossd...seems you and I disagree and in no way that means I need to examine myself... but thanks for the suggestion. I see very clearly the crowd you're referring to... my point was that the crowd you're referring to isn't the crowd that I concentrate on. I wonder if you don't see the rest of society as I do. Yes, I agree there are many young people (actually...even older folks) that are just screwing up. I see what you're referring to in all ages... maybe it's more prodominent in younger people cause that is what people focus on to be critical about. Ever seen the 40 yr old that shouldn't be dressed like the playboy feature..but does anyways? The crime scene is sometimes young kids, however...often the offender that makes the headlines cause it's something extremely horrible...well, they're often over 30.
The younger crowd that is messing up has always been there throughout all the generations. Yes in different ways. OMG... when living in the 60's and 70's and the older generation couldn't understand the drug revolution and rock and roll -- wasn't that similar. And yet... since that time period people have become more educated. You used to be able to get a great job with a career with grade 12 education.... now you're very lucky to get a career in your choice of professions with a college education. True that there's lots of joe jobs out there for uneducated folks. It wasn't that way 30 years ago.
I have 3 sons... 23, 19 and 18.... and I do see a wide variety of young people. Some young girls dress like they're half way there in going to a strip show that their performing in... however that's not the majority. AND... if you ever take a bit of time and talk to those girls...MOST (that I've met) are NOT airheads,... some could be the next CEO's of major corporations. Maybe we've met different people. Again... I'm not saying all...or nearly all... but I can say..nearly all are not really all that bad...and quite normal. (although I don't agree with their choice of clothing - but that's not up to me)
As for the young men...I've met some with no life goals or path..going nowhere fast...again...maybe I'm fortunate...but that hasn't been the majority. Regardless of how they look or present...I still say you might be surprised. Yes we hear about all this crap that's going on in the world... and I for one choose not to blame the younger generation for all that.
sorry I went on and on.....I just feel like sometimes people are too quick to judge and to generalise. I am confident that we are raising and have our next generation of leaders..and I am also confident they will do as well, or even better as past leaders have done.... some screw up ... some we love! It's all a personal opinion ..... | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 5:43:14 PM | I put it to: freedoms run amok, freedom of choice, free speech, radical free thinking?
Every generation has shunned the next generations music, attitudes etc. Are we really as bad as our forefathers thought? Media also plays a large role; where are these young girls getting thier fashion sense from?
As a parent I want my children to have more than I ever got; and I think a lot of parents are the same to some extent... who wouldn't want better for thier children? What is the price of this mind set though? Instead of being with your child they are being brought up by others. Who is buying the "trashy" outfits for thier little girls?
I am in control of my environmet (for the most part!); thank goodness my kids are still young.
I buy the music they listen to and the clothes they wear: Beatles, blue jeans,t-shirts, and sweats. We also have some movie/TV and cartoon sound tracks. Parents need to regain control and be aware of the actions of thier children! Where do you draw the line?? | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 5:44:04 PM | And as they say there truly is nothing new on the face of the earth.
How many generations do you think have thought that the younger ones were going to heck in a handbasket? No doubt your parents' generation at one time or another said that about your generation. As much as things change, some things stay the same.  | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 6:06:07 PM | In most past generations, it has been old versus young so to speak, the
older generation had problems with the younger. The difference now is, the younger gens, have no respect for their fellow younger gens,.....something that was not so in previous "generations", at least it was "them versus us" over timeless generations of young being misunderstood by older. Now it's just "us" as in the younger generation of this century,versus everyone, with no care for anyone except themselves. Pack mentality, and a lack of respect to fellow people the same age bracket, let a lone older people. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 6:19:12 PM | It's always the bad news that gets aired, sells papers. We don't always see or read of all the wonderful people who are still volunteering and helping others. That doesn't make news. It's a small percent who make all the racket and attract the attention of the media. That's what we hear about.
My kids and their friends volunteered for habit for humanity, church groups, donated blood, and were involved in more school groups and charities than I probably even know about. They don't make a big thing of it, they just enjoy it. Sometimes they tell me about it, just to let me know where they are, sometimes I just see mail addressed to them from a charity or blood bank.
I'm just stating this as a matter of fact, not tooting their horns or mine. It's just relevant to the topic, only reason I mention it.
I have always talked to my kids, and more important, even maybe LISTENED to them. They've made a terrific impact on my life, changed my mind and my outlook. I tell them so, and always respect their opinion as they respect mine. I didn't raise clones of me, I had a part in raising individuals, and now, responsible young adults. They respect my opinion because I respected theirs. Still do, I don't want them to be like me, I want them to be themselves. I nurture and encourage them as individuals with their own likes and dislikes, their own opinions and ideas. The older generation does have a lot to contribute to the younger, we just need to remember that we have much to learn from them, too. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 6:25:36 PM | When exactly was the ME generation?
Can we go back to peer orientation; children leading children. With out any foundations in right from wrong! No one is home to teach morals, empathy, RESPECT. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 7:53:15 PM | One thing I don't understand is wearing two hats..... the baseball cap under the hoodie cap...
that confuses me... one fine chapeau is more than enough ecoutrement.... | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 8:01:08 PM |
One thing I don't understand is wearing two hats..... the baseball cap under the hoodie cap...
that confuses me... one fine chapeau is more than enough ecoutrement....
I agree thats just plain stupid... unless your wearing a hat over an aluminum foil hat. (Which is socially acceptable) | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 8:12:35 PM | | A hat fits around your head but a hood pulls on the front of it. Maybe the combination makes it feel better? About 70% of your body heat comes out around the neck doesn't it? Who knows? I'm probally just mumbo jumbo........... | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 8:50:11 PM | first time post...
I drive past what you're talking about everyday on the way up my street. 13 year olds dressed like 70's hookers...
I agree with the last post that in some ways, things aren't much different than when I was in high school, our fashion was equally bad, but not quite so sexualized... that started with the spandex generation.
its not like sex wasn't happening when we were in school, but...
Things have changed. My sister is 13 years younger than me(early 20's) and all her friends work in medicine... she tells me about 14 year olds who've admitted ot over 40 sexual partners, who are at the clinic for advanced STD's, and who have never had sex using protection of any sort. the stigma of teenage girls being sluts if they've had more than a few sexual partners is long gone... as is the stigma of same sex encounters between teens who don't profess to be gay.
High school these days is by all accounts a swinging good time for many. | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 8:51:05 PM | this surprises me how?
Complain of the lack of thought provoking threads, or ones with substance...then trash the ones that comply...
"where ever the twain shall meet" (something like that) | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 9:04:10 PM |
Another decent thread killed
Embarassed - oh ya.....
funny - I think of those silly posters as just a coffee break between serious banter
we chose how to react and don't need to acknowledge the silly posts .... sometimes the breaks in the threads are like a tall drink of water... doesn't bother me
and from the sounds of it wont be bothering any one else anymore either we just had about 10 regulars banned tonight - some permanently I have heard - so carry on - and "Don't laugh" - be serious! no sense having a good time after a hard days work !
Yes I am really embarrassed to still be ( i should be at camp for my soh) here and to even have to remind you all to get a SOH and some patience for the different types of posters - we are all different - young or old - serious or fun! | |
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Posted: 10/5/2006 9:36:56 PM | No but I think its funny you are ranting about peoples manners and language choices, but then say:
but let me ask the world this: WTF is going on with this generation?!?!?!
WTF is wrong with THIS picture??  | |
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Posted: 10/6/2006 7:06:16 AM | DUstine...you have mail...
O/T: This is going to sound new agey and that's ok...I just think that need to spend more time with the ones we love and I mean 'quality' time; sit down and talk, care and I mean really care about what the person has to say, have some compassion and understanding. If there was more love, peace and understanding in the world (wherever the heck this may be, even in your own backyard), there wouldn't be as many problems, shootings at schools, crime, war etc. I know that this sounds like it comes from a small mind, it's not, believe me. I just have taken a different approach to my life; simplified it as much as possible and love as much as I can... | |
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Posted: 10/6/2006 12:50:30 PM | I just see the random posts as funny. Altho often not in the same regard as they meant the post to be funny, but rather in the irony. The funniest comments are often the ones people make without realising it.
Like when you are talking about people not thinking or caring about their health and eating crap food and then someone walks in with a bag of rotten ronnies and asks "whats up?" a game set match kinda point | |
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Posted: 10/6/2006 4:30:46 PM | Embarrassed? No.
What I have noticed in the different generations is everyone seems to be in more of a hurry nowadays. Apparently there is not enough time to spend on oneself, let alone family members.
Then there is peer pressure....it used to be called "keeping up with the Joneses." That hasn't changed much....generations do different activities.
People are growing up on the streets instead of at home with parents, grandparents. This started in my generation with people moving away from their home towns....the only places where I see 3 or more generations living close together now is the families that immigrate to our country. Sure, I realize that some of you are going to say that's what it is like for them and I will state that this has been my experience, what I've seen.
Many factors come into play when a person starts asserting their independence from parents. | |
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Posted: 10/6/2006 7:49:23 PM | I agree with you 100% basicallysweet.
I have a 16 and an 18 year old and I would agree that I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with a majority of the kids out there.
There is an old saying, "you can't judge a book by it's cover" and that statement holds true more than ever in this day and age. Now neither of my kids have piercings or tatoos, but they certainly have friends that do. And yes the boys wear baggy pants and can barely walk and some of the girls shirts are a little more revealing that I would think is appropriate, but that doesn't make them bad people.
They still like to sit around the kitchen table and eat grill cheese sandwiches and talk about school, family, life in general. They are smart, wayyy smarter than we were at their age. Their schooling is much more difficult, the competition tougher and more global, and the bar of life has been set much higher.
Yes there are some bad seeds out there, but they are few in number, and most ended up that way due to circumstances beyond their control. | |
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Posted: 10/7/2006 3:53:22 AM | I'm just a "little" curious here now. People talking about the
younger generation on how it is now but what about when
you where the younger generation? Did you really care what
the older generation though about you? We should have
nothing to complain about the younger generation of today.
We helped make it, be proud!
I agree with BasicallySweet, "Get to know folks by who they are" | |
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