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Posted: 10/9/2006 4:29:07 PM | Bull meat has very low consumer acceptance, so is rarely produced....steer meat (castrated bulls are called steer) is on the other hand fairly common.
Good article on the cruelty issue vis a vis the cattle industry generally:
http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/articles/manitoba.html | |
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Posted: 10/9/2006 4:55:18 PM | Well, I didn't see much in the article actually the applied to many of the local farmers I knew.
Many let those animals graze most of the day and put them back into the barns in the evenings. It saves them money to do so. Only weather issues tended to prevent it. The show animals had their own penned in area to exercise in but were often taken out into the larger fields. Sometimes to work, sometimes just for exercise.
As for bull's being eaten as food, that is kind of a cultural thing too. On farms, you don't waste meat. If it be a steer or even one of the oxen that was put down, they were converted to food. This was actually the hardest thing for me to understand. To eat an animal who you had for many many years and treated almost like a member of the family, then eat it.
But it is the cultural there and you can't blame the non-waste attitude. Some of the bulls each year were left unpinched so they could breed with the cows.
Now I'm not denying this behavior goes on. I guess I just feel that sometimes animal right activists will see something and jump to a conclusion. That animal could be getting the best treatment and belong to an individual who is doing everything humanly possible to ensure its welfare. Yet, if some of these people see an animal in anything but it natural environment, they scream cruelty.
Well sitting in an office with lights blaring on me all day isn't my natural environment either. But if a boss treats me good then I can get by because its a matter of survival. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2006 5:06:28 PM | Extremism is never a good thing and I don't think many of us are denying that people often jump to conclusions. However, I think the main point of this thread was whether the bulls at rodeos are mistreated and I think most of us agree that they often are....excerpt from article previously posted:
"Horses and cattle have incurred back and neck injuries, torn ligaments and broken bones, and have suffered severed spinal cords and tracheas. In order to make the animals frantic, stock handlers and cowboys provoke the animals with electric prods, kicks, and slaps. Then handlers tighten the "bucking strap," which causes the animal to buck wildly as he leaves the pen. At the 2000 Grand National Rodeo, a bull was killed, which upset and traumatized children and adults who witnessed the event." | |
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Posted: 10/9/2006 5:55:42 PM | If you read that paragraph ^^^ substituting high school football in the USA and teenage boys for the operative comparative words (except for the rope on your nuts), the rest of it applies as well....the most dangerous sport with the greatest number of serious injuries in North America is high school football.
So, maybe the sport of bull riding isn't cruel because we treat our children just as cruellly in many organized sports....that is, animals have in fact the same rights as our children.
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Posted: 10/9/2006 6:00:28 PM | I'm sure people will argue that high school boys have made the decision to play football, whereas the bulls did not consent to being entered in a rodeo, I guess.
And, I suppose, when a high school boy is hurting, he can open his mouth and say so.
But my question is this: why shouldn't animals have the same rights as children? They are thinking, feeling beings, afterall. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2006 7:08:43 PM | I don't doubt the articles at all. What I don't know, if that's how the animals were treated at this rodeo.
I hear horror stories about farms too but have seen farms which do things as humanely possible. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 3:11:29 PM |
So, maybe the sport of bull riding isn't cruel because we treat our children just as cruellly in many organized sports....that is, animals have in fact the same rights as our children.
The difference for me is that animals don't have a voice and don't have the right to choose whether to do it or not. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 3:42:11 PM | Sometime if you can find it, I recommend the Austrian produced German language movie (English subtitles) by acclaimed documentary Director Ulrich Seidl, entitled Tierische Liebe (Animal Love), which explores alienation in society, animal cruelty and the relationship between people and their pets.
Not for the faint of heart, I saw it at the TFF several years ago; my blind date and at least half the audience walked out, many actually yelling at the screen as they left.
A compelling and disturbing look at pet ownership. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 5:24:33 PM | From what I heard the protesters were given the opportunity to become educated on how the bulls are actually treated, but refused. They may have learned they were wrong and that would mean they wouldn't be able to whine anymore. Human beings are forced into stressful situations on a daily basis so I don't think it's going to kill the animals to have a little stress in their lives. I'm against any kind of cruelty. (I even go out of my way not to kill insects and remove them from danger if it's possible. I know that may sound strange, but I don't think people have the right to take away the short lives they've been given). As for the bulls, from what I've read they are well liked, well treated and well looked after.
That sign they were holding up really pushed my buttons. I wanted to go but didn't get the chance. That's harrassment in my book. If that was stuck in my face I would have spit in theirs. They have no right to judge. Technically, those signs cause "stress" among the people
going to the show so I guess that makes the protesters cruel as well. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 6:38:16 PM | I have seen protesters at horse shows. Not around here, thank goodness it hasn't come to that yet. It's worse for fox hunters. I had people yell nasty things at me as we pulled into a farm for a hunt once outside Toronto. They were yelling and waving their signs and scaring the bajeezus out of the horses as they were being unloaded. Talk about stressing out the animals! They didn't have a clue what they were talking about, and obviously didn't give two hoots about the animals themselves. It was a drag hunt, for crying out loud. There was no fox involved. But there they were with their little "Don't Kill The Foxes" signs, scaring the crap out of a bunch of horses...
It's a little bit like people who protest the taking of a life through abortion by bombing a clinic or killing a doctor. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 6:46:05 PM | I sometimes dress my cat up and put him in a stroller, just to see if i can attrack women....is this wrong?
I mean he looks cute, most women say he must look like the mother though | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 6:48:32 PM | | Excellent example. The death penalty is another one. "Murder is so bad I'm going to kill you for it". ???? Talk about becoming the thing you hate. | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 6:50:47 PM | Justin: That's not cruel if the cat enjoys the ride. lol. My cat's right here next to me. I wonder.... no don't think I'll try. Not worth the blood loss.  | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 6:52:06 PM |
I sometimes dress my cat up and put him in a stroller, just to see if i can attrack women....is this wrong?
lmao you crack me up JC! We have a new kitten in our household and seeing that halloween is upon us my daughter is hoping to dress her up in a cool costume. Do you think people will realize she is a cat and not a kid? I am banking on some good treats! Mmmmm
And JC, if you aren't using your stroller on Hallows eve, can I borrow it? | |
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Posted: 10/10/2006 6:59:25 PM | | I meet alot of women taking my dog for a walk, I trained him to do the sad puppy look and it`s better than an opening line. They start petting him and he sucks it right up and I have an istant conversation. I figure that if I feed him, bathe him or send him to doggy spa, he can atleast help me get a date while I walk him. I hope no one think that cruel because I thinks it`s cool. I bet I could rent him out. call it walk a dog get a number, maybe a date. | |
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Posted: 10/11/2006 7:24:44 AM | I'm waiting for the next big fallout. What is it you say? The harvesting of Harp seals for food to be distributed to third world countries.
I was at the Exhibition and all the animals I saw there were treated like royalty. These animals are showcased and make money for their owners. Only a complete udder (utter) fool would do anything to compromise that.
Putting an animal down though a sad thing is sometimes a necessary thing. A child should not be "protected" from death but educated about it so they are not afraid of it. To learn (and Disney did a wonderful job of this in The Lion King) that death should not be something to be afraid of and that the life of the one who died should be remembered with fondness and love. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2009 5:21:29 AM | | Do animals know when they're being "treated like royalty"...or is that just people giving animals human characteristics in order to assuage their guilt over making money from training a living thing to perform tricks for food? (animal pimps?) | |
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Posted: 9/15/2009 4:45:28 PM | Just remember kids, there's room for all God's creatures on this planet....right next to the mashed potatoes.
Who dosent love a heaping helping of Rocky Mountain Oysters | |
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