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 Pedro 1976
Joined: 3/23/2007
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Kahn has been awarded 3 times world's best goalkeeper by IFFHS, a non official international football federation of statistics, whereas Schemeichel only 2 times in 92 and 93. last year it was Casillas who got it. let's see this current year...

the reason you slag off Kahn is because you are English and tend to criticise anything that sounds German
 JasonVoorhees666
Joined: 4/5/2009
Msg: 227
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Posted: 5/29/2009 1:50:16 PM
no kahn was great I have nothing against the germans, kahn had a very good defence behind him while schnecheal time and time again had a weak defence, schmecheal made an ok defence look good. it does not matter what awards they win its the performences and schmecheal was always there when it counted. he was a match winner and was more important than the forwards which is rare.
 Pedro 1976
Joined: 3/23/2007
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Posted: 5/29/2009 1:59:58 PM
perfomances and talent give you the awards.
 JasonVoorhees666
Joined: 4/5/2009
Msg: 229
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Posted: 5/29/2009 2:14:33 PM
dnt forget henry missed out on loads of awards, henry will go down as the greatest ever player not to be world player of the year
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
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 sum1reel
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Posted: 5/29/2009 11:26:01 PM
kirk


I tell you what Summy...why don't you look up his stats in the Champions League for the last couple of years and his stats for his National Team...just look it up...no point in arguing with you, you rarely understand what's going on anyway!


.......somebody already did that for you and even if he scored twice what he did it still wouldn't be convincing as he is a one-way player..............you must suffer from a bad case of self delusions as you seem to be trying to make a case for CR being the best in the world based upon his scoring prowess!..........to me being the best scorer in the world is not always akin to being the best player.....but then since you ALWAYS understand what is going on, what would be the use in arguing it with you!



Ronaldo won the best player in the world award last year because he was the best player in the world and was magnificent in all competitions. This year his goals in the knockout stages of the Champions League were breathtaking


...again, you seem to be basing it on his scoring prowess


or the beautiful move that he started and finished in the Champions League semi final against Arsenal...


arzenal had a subpar defense....if any at all!..................did you see the CL game that MU played Inter in which the rookie defender santon did a decent job covering him?...CR is not unstoppable as you would have us believe


I agree that Ronaldo is certainly one of the best players in the world and I think Messi is definitely a world class football but he does need to improve in my opinion. I have seen him shut down now by top teams in the Champions League on more than one occasion. But he'll improve...he's young!


...of course he needs to improve and he very likely will........but the importance of Messi is not hinged solely on whether he scores or how he is contained...he is a respected presence on the field, and as such, other chances open up for others to score!...the mark of a truly good player is not always measured by 'goals' they score...a good example is beckham (in his hey-day)..............and then to contrast this with (brazialian) Ronaldo who was a goal scoring machine (until he went to serie-A)yet was not necessarily a 'total' player, nor did he improve all that much beyond what he could do best!


I think you might have noticed that it was really a mistake by Essien that gifted Barca the goal...it was hardly a piece of creative genius from the youngster who had been extremely disappointing against Chelsea...a toe poke of a defender's error does not constitute world class football!


...its not a matter of it being a piece of creative genius...its a matter of playing in the clutch as he does!..............what you fail to realize is that mistakes are made all the time in a game, thus its how an opponent capitalizes on that mistake that often defines success for a side........that split second move by messi that you dismiss as being so trivial is but a small example of his uncanny sense of perception!...its a certain non-quantifiable 'pizzaz' that a player possesses that makes him/her stand above his......................and this is what you academic-types don't understand.....you are virtually all the same, you sit around erecting your constructs based upon chimerical perceptions..............and then putting it all across in a manner that seems palatable to the masses here...but in truth, there is little that you offer that is revelatory..................i'll be the first to admit that i'm not as knowledgeable as many others here, but you yourself are hardly the keen, objective observer that you think you are....pal!
 kirk763
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 232
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Posted: 5/30/2009 2:18:31 AM
For crying out loud Breezy...man of the match in a Champions League Final last year! Scored probably the best goals in the Champions League this year. Was voted the best player in the permiership by his fellow professionals, the sports writers and fans, world player of the year last year, was on track to win the young player of the tournament at the 06 world cup when they admitted that the agro' in the match against England ruled him out. Has been top scorer in the qualifying rounds of European and World cups to help Portugal qualify...you cearly HAVE NOT looked up the stats...

do you honestly think that the whole world is just labouring under an illusion concerning his brilliance and that you're one of the chosen few that sees the truth???? And you call me pompous

And for me...What Messi did against Chelsea was not play in the clutch...he was played off the park. Not is fault, but the idea that he's a clutch player and Ronaldo is not just does not stand up to scrutiny. So you can be man of the match in the biggest game of football of the year...and you're not a "clutch" player??? I think that befits the term delusional more than anything I've said!

Oh and btw...for an attacking player...given that the most important feature of a game is whether you have less or more goals than the opposition...that's pretty much the most important stat...


and then to contrast this with (brazialian) Ronaldo who was a goal scoring machine (until he went to serie-A)yet was not necessarily a 'total' player, nor did he improve all that much beyond what he could do best!


Oh man, you really don't know anything...he won world player of the year twice as a young player with Inter Milan!!! What ARE you talking about. Before being plagued by injury he was not just a goal scoring machine, he was voted the best player on the planet...TWICE...he didn't start his career at Real Madrid you know! And why on earth would you compare an out and out striker with a wide player like Beckham. All your doing is reinforcing the case for Ronaldo...a wide player who can do everything a wide player should and yet scores massive amounts of goals as well!!!!!!!????? In fact on the original "Phenomenon" here's a quick quote from even wiki for ya...just so you might get the urge to start doing a bit of homework before youmake these ridiculous statements...I mean...you can even find it on WIKI for crying out loud!!!!
During his football career in Europe, Ronaldo became one of the most renowned strikers in the world by winning his first Ballon d'Or as the European Footballer of the Year in 1997 and again in 2002. He is also one of only two men to have won the FIFA Player of the Year award three times, along with French footballer Zinédine Zidane. In 2007, he was named as one of the best starting eleven of all-time by France Football and was named to the FIFA 100, a list of the greatest footballers compiled by fellow countryman Pelé.




and this is what you academic-types don't understand.....you are virtually all the same, you sit around erecting your constructs based upon chimerical perceptions
Wow...this is supposed to be a sports forum for a bit of lighthearted fun and lively exchange of views. I think you'll find that there are others on here who have been far, far more offensive toward you and your comments than I have been. But you are actually that small minded that you want to make an attack on me as a person and what I do for a living on a football forum??? You know what! I find what you say about football to be ridiculous anyways. But I generally argue the points away with you as well, even though I find much of what you say about football self-evidently nonsensical. But, I'm not engaging with you anymore. Imagine that kind of carry on from a grown man on a sports forum! How pathetic! I mean you went snooping on a dude's profile for 'ammo' in a bit of sports banter!!!!
 kirk763
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 5/30/2009 2:21:00 AM
three times not twice...my bad
 moochef
Joined: 5/10/2009
Msg: 234
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Posted: 5/30/2009 3:46:19 AM
All I know about Pele is that he advertises help for erectile disfunction and Maradonna has just got divorced from Guy Ritchie.

Righto who's going to explain the offside rule to me?.............................
 hala-steve
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Posted: 5/30/2009 4:07:29 AM
^^^
Don't stray offside is the meaning of the offside rule!

 moochef
Joined: 5/10/2009
Msg: 236
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Posted: 5/30/2009 4:25:42 AM
Sorry! Girls not allowed in this thread? Pardon me, will now disappear into my world of Hello! magazines and fluffy kittens
 hala-steve
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Posted: 5/30/2009 4:40:49 AM
Boys and Girls are allowed...as long as they don't stray offside!

 JasonVoorhees666
Joined: 4/5/2009
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Posted: 5/30/2009 5:04:38 AM
C ronaldo would do great in spain, and I would think C ronaldo was a miles better player than the brazilian ronaldo. C ronaldo is the most complete player in europe and despite what messi as done ronaldo as done it for much longer, any player whos goalscoring record for the past 4 years reads 101 goals is a damn fine player in my book. ronaldo as won it all and what more could ronaldo have done the past 4 years, tell me this did the brazilian roaldo ever win the champions league nope, and ronaldinho and zidane never achieved anywahere near the feets C ronaldo as achieved at 23.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
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Posted: 5/30/2009 8:28:03 PM
kirk



.man of the match in a Champions League Final last year! Scored probably the best goals in the Champions League this year. Was voted the best player in the permiership by his fellow professionals, the sports writers and fans, world player of the year last year, was on track to win the young player of the tournament at the 06 world cup when they admitted that the agro' in the match against England ruled him out. Has been top scorer in the qualifying rounds of European and World cups to help Portugal qualify...you cearly HAVE NOT looked up the stats...


........i've seen the stats and i know of his accolades, but that still doesn't betray the notion that he is a mono-dimensional player......not that he has to be otherwise, as he does what he does well.................its not difficult for a talented scorer to produce goals when: a) his fed the ball at regular intervals by those capable of distributing it; b) if he is allowed enuff room and time to position himself.



do you honestly think that the whole world is just labouring under an illusion concerning his brilliance and that you're one of the chosen few that sees the truth????


......the truth i see is that CR (as well as brazialin R) are specialists........they are specialists in goal scoring..... and that is what attracts the lime-light, the fan fare, etc!.....(at least in my book)he is no more valuable than a good steady defender whose job it is to break-up plays and clear the ball from harms way so the few goals that do get scored by the likes of CR (and other such prolifics) are enuff to win the game for his respective side!............thus anyone who excels at his specialty can be considered as 'brilliant' with or without the accolades bestowed upon him by the viewership!


you can be man of the match in the biggest game of football of the year...and you're not a "clutch" player???


sure!...the 2 can be exclusive of one another!........if during a game, i've managed to score goals by virtue of my midfielding playmaker setting me up then why should i be given much of the credit?..........if someone is responsible for feeding me the ball at a crucial moment so that i manage to score then who can best be regarded as the clutch performer, me or the player enabling me??????


And for me...What Messi did against Chelsea was not play in the clutch


...you are entitled to your opinion!


Oh and btw...for an attacking player...given that the most important feature of a game is whether you have less or more goals than the opposition...that's pretty much the most important stat...


...again, "the most important stat" is merely your POV....."scoring more than the opposition" involves a duality that is balanced between an admirable defense as well as a capable offense.......and the effectiveness of this balance is what truly wins games!


he won world player of the year twice as a young player with Inter Milan!!! What ARE you talking about. Before being plagued by injury he was not just a goal scoring machine, he was voted the best player on the planet..


..what i said, or tried to imply is that he scored with impunity while at barca (and einhoven) but was dampened somewhat in the serie-A.....i didn't imply that he wasn't effective (prior to injury) at what he did best!


just so you might get the urge to start doing a bit of homework before youmake these ridiculous statements.


again, i'm not taken by his wide array of accolades that he has racked up....perhaps he may have won more than Pele and Maradona.........but it doesn't mean he belongs in their class!


And why on earth would you compare an out and out striker with a wide player like Beckham.


...i didn't mean to compare them along side....i meant to illustrate only what each one excels best at.....respectively!


I think you'll find that there are others on here who have been far, far more offensive toward you and your comments than I have been.


...the only one probably more "offensive" is some deranged buffoon (who i wouldn't even dignify by naming him) who writes in capital letters!......besides him, no one else!...and if that is who you wanna measure your etiquette up against then you are more pathetic than i thought!


But you are actually that small minded that you want to make an attack on me as a person and what I do for a living on a football forum???


...respectfully speaking, what a person does (or doesn't do) often defines their character......and in your case, your lofty position of authority.....is what probably gives you impetus to speak to others (with whom you may not agree) in the condescending manner that you do.......in order to re-enforce your own hubris.


But I generally argue the points away with you as well, even though I find much of what you say about football self-evidently nonsensical.


....if you've found much of what i've said to be non-sense, over and over... then how Stupid does it make you look!...... to be "arguing" with such an individual?........except in situations that i've had to respond, in no way have i directed my statements directly to yours!..........yet you've managed to respond caustically to nearly everthing i've written without invitation!


Imagine that kind of carry on from a grown man on a sports forum! How pathetic! I mean you went snooping on a dude's profile for 'ammo' in a bit of sports banter


...first of all, it was YOU who divulged (to me at least) what you do for a living...sometime back in another thread!!!........secondly, looking at a person's profile that is open for public viewing hardly constitutes "snooping".......if you wish to restrict viewing of your profile then i suggest enacting the blocks!


But, I'm not engaging with you anymore.


...good riddance!.....and i hope you mean it!
 shiningblackstar
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Posted: 5/31/2009 1:45:49 PM

I would think C ronaldo was a miles better player than the brazilian ronaldo

sorry jason you couldnt be more wrong, C ronaldo hasnt achieved 1/4 of what B ronaldo achieved with his country and different leagues in europe. B ronaldo was not just a goal scorer but a ball carrier, dribbler with pace. and top goalscorer in the history of the world cup says it all.
 hala-steve
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Posted: 5/31/2009 1:53:05 PM
^^^^
Yeah...you tell him!
Don't understand how a Football fan can compare the Brazilian Ronaldo to C.Ronaldo...just ludicrous!
C.Ronaldo is a raw talent, but he is constantly over-hyped by fans like Jason.
How on earth can you compare a Master to a pupil?
Compare C.Ronaldo to Figo, then you have a debate!

 hala-steve
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Posted: 5/31/2009 2:03:47 PM
Some Opinions just make me go bonkers!

 JasonVoorhees666
Joined: 4/5/2009
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Posted: 5/31/2009 2:07:16 PM
well u both got one thing straight he is the B ronaldo, the current ronaldo is the better one, c ronaldo as done far more in the game and unlike the b ronaldo CR7 is hungry never got fat and as more staying power in terms of the years c ronaldo as to ive. ronaldo in the world cup 2006 was the best young player of the tornement and was only behind the likes of zidane.
 hala-steve
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Posted: 5/31/2009 2:26:53 PM
Jason,
In as much as I wouldn't want to debate with you about which Ronaldo is better, I still take it upon myself to set the record straight!
So because C.Ronaldo was voted the best young player of the World Cup tournament, he has suddenly reached the heights of the Brazilian Ronaldo?
Ok, besides winning the best young player of the 2006 World Cup, can you tell me what else C.Ronaldo has won with or for his National team?

The problem with you is that you are a Man U fan...yes, that is the problem, and so you have been blinded to the extent of comparing C.Ronaldo to the Brazilian Ronaldo.
Maybe you really need to google the Brazilian Ronaldo if you haven't, so that you can know the extent of the comparison you are making.
Until C.Ronaldo achieves something with his National team, he can never ever be in the same League with Zidane, Brazilian Ronaldo and the rest!
You surprise me with your comments...anyway, I guess it has to do with Ronaldo playing for Man u!
Can somebody else please tell this fella to stop comparing C.Ronaldo to football greats such as Zidane, Ronaldo and the rest, its just annoying!

 JasonVoorhees666
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Posted: 5/31/2009 3:42:36 PM
I am not putting C ronaldo in zidans league, and I will be glad when C ronaldo is gone from united sick of his antics with madrid along with tevez berbatov nani etc and get a wide player and a central striker and get back to basics thats what fergie needs to do instead of playing this disjointed system, why ronaldo wants to leave a winning side to go the ship wreck that is madrid I dnt know, jump on the titanic ronaldo his choice, and I would choose messi over ronaldo because messi reminds me of giggs and scholes in his attitude, messi is never in the lime light and he is a great example of a proper pro. ronaldo as got almost the lot except for his off the field antics. ferguson sell ronaldo and do everyone a favour because I am sick of him and have done over 2 years. its like ferguson cant except putting his dog down. every dog as his day and ronaldos time with united should be well and truly over.
 sum1reel
Joined: 6/5/2005
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Posted: 5/31/2009 8:17:48 PM
what a player does for his NT has always been a rite-of passage into the halls of greatness.......CR has yet to make a significant mark in that department, despite all of his awards and accolades............to his favor, he is only 24 yrs old..............and he can improve his game if he matures mentally, and doesn't get distracted too much!

i don't think SAF would ever push CR outta MU.........they are an offensive minded team and he is an important component..........although macheda looks promising, i don't think they would like to see CR leave..............if CR leaves it will be by his own decision.
 kirk763
Joined: 3/17/2008
Msg: 247
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Posted: 6/1/2009 4:34:46 AM
Oh Summerwind!!!! The amount of hot air that emanates from your direction...you quote swathes of text and make comments afterward as though they stood as refutations...and yet the very way this discussion has evolved over other posts from other posters has simply compounded your stupidity concerning, for example, the other Ronaldo...you are in short A MORON...so why not do everyone on here a favour and (keep up your inane comments if you must) but stop the endless streams of quotation! You quote me as though what you say afterwards was a refutation...well its pitiful and you've straightforwardly contradicted yourself so many times that it's actually too tiresome to keep going to the trouble of pointing it out.

And btw...the last time you suggested that only one other poster pleaded with you to stop the endless stream of stupidity...it was someone else...so theres more than one, there's more than two and there's more than three...

and good riddance? I'm not going anywhere, I'm just not wasting my time with a middle aged wanker who has probably never kicked a ball, who got his ass kicked in gym class and thinks because someone's an academic that they must be as much of a knob jockey as he is...except I played football, rugby, hurling (Irish game, fastest field game on the planet) and tennis at representive level...I've won national competitions at underage level in tennis and badminton and won European competitions in tennis...so...ya kind of pidgeonholed the wrong guy fatass!!!!!
 JasonVoorhees666
Joined: 4/5/2009
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Posted: 6/1/2009 6:27:02 AM
well ronaldo seems to be pushing united fans to breaking point, there is so much united fans can put up with and now it should be right for united to cash in on the player and a phew more players along with him.
 sum1reel
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Posted: 6/1/2009 9:25:48 AM
^

Mu has won the Epl title and has gone to the CL finals 3 yrs in a row....what more can the fans want from CR...........i could understand selling him if MU needs the money to replace other aging players, but otherwise why push him out!

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Kirk




I'm not engaging with you anymore.......(that you posted in msg 232)


...at least be true to your word man,.... and maintain some semblance of dignity!




I'm just not wasting my time with a middle aged wanker


...yet you are doing just that!!!....over and over!......you are a pathetic human being!
 kirk763
Joined: 3/17/2008
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Posted: 6/1/2009 9:32:11 AM

you are a pathetic human being!


I'm sorry...was that an argument?

Away fatbody!!! Nobody gives a toss for what you have to say and we've all pretty much told you as much...why not join a thread where you perhaps know something about the subject??? Or does some such forum exist?
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