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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 1:47:53 AM | I only read the first page, but some of these replies are entertaining. I don't mind paying for stuff most of the time. Namely, when I feel the privilege is not being abused.
If myself and a date sit down to a meal, and she immediately starts downing 8$ margaritas like it's going out of style, or she wants to order the most expensive thing on the menu then I have no problem letting her know that we'll be going dutch on this one. Like I said, I don't mind buying your dinner, but when you can spend upwards of 40-50$ at a casual place like Bennigan's or Chili's, then I don't think it is my duty as a man to take care of all of that when a girl who behaves that way generally has no intent on reciprocating, ever.
Money is still money. I don't ask women to buy me everything just because I could, and I appreciate the same courtesy. Luckily there are more than a few good girls who don't think that every penny a man has, is a penny that she just has not spent yet. I applaud those girls. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 3:18:35 AM | | it wasn't directed at you. Many women ( I've encountered plenty) would be A-OK with every guy they ever encountered buying them whatever they'd like. If I was a woman, I would have no problem telling a guy "Thanks, but no thanks. I can get my own.", namely because it's how I was brought up. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 3:48:01 AM | | Its funny how women want equal rights till it comes to dating then all of a sudden they want the old standard that the guy pays for everything! What do you get out of it beyond her company not much unless her morals are low! I have yet to meet or date where the woman says oh no let me pay! To me the first time meeting they call it a date so they get out of paying most times out of not they order the most expensive thing on the menue and oh look theirs her freaking freind with their 4 kids what does she do waves them over to join so you get stuck paying for her friend and her brats. If you make any quams about it I get oh my friend doesnt have any money on her or dont be so cheap! mean while kids eat very lil but still order close to the most expensive item on teh menue and desert and sodas so by the end your out a pay check a kiss good night possibly then usually she says I just dont think were compatible yet you cant get a word in all thru dinner because of her friend and her 4 screaming brats. Or because which Ive stated in my Profile I work 2 jobs their for my dating time allowed is limited at best to my day off a week. Which seems to be an on going problem to them! Oh well my bills have to be paid! 90% of the women Ive met off this site have been nothing but users and liers! i really had high hopes their would be a handfull of women for me to date wow was I fooled I'll stick to being single and just reading the forums! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 5:41:58 AM | On my last date i paid and i opened the car door and the like............. and it felt right too i wanted too as well! if it had made her feel uneasy i would have let her pay!! but it wasn't about the money it was about welllllllllll i'm not to sure apart from it felt right!
I have to say though i ran out of credit on my phone when i was at work and was going to get some on the way home, so i could chat to her more!! but she texed me with a code to top up my phone with, she had got me some credit as she was at a shop!! that made me feel so special!! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 5:54:05 AM | I remember when my younger son was about 14 or 15... and he told me if he had to pay for everything he was never going to date! He changed his mind as he got older and now enjoys being able to treat his girlfriend.
I don't think women should expect or demand anything. And I don't think men should feel obligated or do anything that they'll resent her for later. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 6:18:16 AM | | personally,I don't want to owe a man anything...men use the barter system mostly with other men,but with women,we are at a disadvantage unless we have money..then we pay men to do things for us,and it's no difference in a relationship. I lived with a man for 26 yrs.,raised his three children and paid all the bills...now he wants support..if a guy can't afford to take his lady out,then he shouldn't be on here or even looking..he's a loser like mine was...and,since so many men are looking for sex/and or money/,women have to be careful..they would have to pay with a lady of the night..so what do they think?..I've given away sex too much in my life with nothing in return,not even a decent relationship after all these years...tired of supporting/nurturing/taking care for all these years,even after it's over...what nerve.modern men are a pretty sad lot if you ask me...don't have decent jobs,can't even support themselves,let alone all their fatherless children with several women,and then they lie and cheat and keep separate bank accounts,and then expect the woman to support them in their old age...pshaw.. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 6:36:07 AM | Hello....
I am so glad to see that there aren't too many women on this website who think that men are their local welfare office.
And.... as for the "he should pay for the first date". Why?
I always tell guys I feel a little bit strange if I don't pay my part of the meal and the old fashioned types usually accept that. When they ask me why, I can usually explain that a date is two people getting to know one another. You can't purchase commitment.
It isn't a social profiteering racket for bra wearers.
I have learned a good lesson from a girl I know who thinks everyone owes her a living. Every guy she ever loved, has married a girl who was independent and made a point of giving in to her as little as possible because she was a taker!
Takers are loosers, if you expect the man to pay... he can easily take himself away.... and know how much it will hurt you without his cash cash cash.
He will take his cash and do a dash!
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 12:26:53 PM | I am recalled to a restaurant scene with my first "love." He worked as a dishwahser at a Chinese Restaurant walking distance from my home. I worked at Burger King. I believe I was fifteen and he was sixteen or seventeen.
I was paying for dinner.
When it came time for the check, he insisted that I slip him the money under the table, because how would that make him look for his girlfriend to be paying for dinner. Bottom line is his girlfriend WAS paying for dinner!
I wish I could have my forty year-old brain back inside that young ache-free body, but don't we all! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 12:43:56 PM | | I always offer to pay. If I invite them , then ESPECIALLY I should pay! I did date a fella who was quite generous (a millionare) and even he let me pay sometimes. As it turns out I got him several expensive (to me) gifts and found out later the "diamond" stuff he got me was all Wal Mart junk... you never know... but I had a nice time and would never want anything back except respect. that one was such a liar he had to go bye bye. haa Good luck to ALL! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 12:46:57 PM | In my current work situation, I work alone, so when it comes time for lunch/dinner, I normally dine alone.
When on a two-person car, one buys and one tips, and they switch off. Occasionally, I dine with co-workers, but for the most part, I work on my paperwork and reports between bites. Nevertheless, I embraced that equitable concept.
Being a restaurant veteran, I can be a bit of a pain and an embarrassment with which to dine, but I always tip well, which makes me much less of a pain in hindsight.. For example, if a salad can be prepared on iceburg lettuce only (i.e., Caeser Salad is on the menu) I will make that request.
I will also never forget the time that my boyfriend at the time agreed to go out to dinner with me. He ordered a couple of beers, a shrimp coctail appetizer, a 16 oz. T-bone steak (and he made significantly more money than I), and when the check came, he handed me a twenty and said, "This should cover the tip."
I will always offer to ante up my fair share.
One time, my brother, an attorney, and his two children, took our Dad out for Father's Day. My brother ordered beers, and appetizer, and dessert, and brought twenty dollars to the table. That was a very uncomfortable moment, because my brother's food bill was the highest, and his retort was, "I told you NOT to go to someplace so expensive!" and this was Father's Day and a mid-range restaurant.
I completely had to punt, and fortunately have a trustworthy aura. I convinced the waitress that my brother was a schmuck, that I did not believe in not tipping, and got her to accept a personal check for the tip, while I footed the entire bill, less the twenty my brother added.
On another occasion, my older brother saved face by covering his share of the check on another Father's Day, and then promptly whisperingly borrowed the money back after we got outside.
I will not disgrace him in front of his children, and he needed gas money to get them home, so essentially I paid for dinner, again.
There are a lot of women that are gold-diggers, but a lot of men that are complete schmucks, too! My brother is one of them. Fortunately, he does not have a computer, so the gals here are safe from him! His nickname in high school was "The Mooch" and he has yet to outgrow his nickname. Buyer's Beware! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 12:51:04 PM | Here I go .. .Going to get a blast for this comment...I have been reading threads on issues simular to this on here and bitting my tongue...
I know all men are not the same eitherand neither are us woman... but some men figure that us we are worth sacking after a coffee on a first name base...ummmm ...perhaps some of us woman feel if thats the case we are going to hold out for the mother load and at least have a nice meal and a envening out before he gets the desert he figures he is so special for... Just my thoughts...
Me I have no problem If I contact and make the date with the man to pay... or split the cost.. have done it lots of times... Heck I'll bring the beer...Everyone has to hold on to their money these days to at least to survive in a lifestyle...I'll do my part... | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 1:25:36 PM | love this thread.
women, men are starting to "get smart" that is were on to you. Honestly, I think the women out there had better think about this a little more. Guys are getting tired of it. We're tired of being the "cash" in a relationship. The day is coming when women will regret all their materialistic aspirations, because guys will find something else for sex. The age of computers and technology will one day replace the sexual pleasures once given by women. At that point the game is over.
I know this sounds very blunt but it's the truth. Its been brought up that women look for a guy to provide and it's instinct that they look for a man that is wealthy enough for their offspring. Really? ... I guess it's OK to cheat on your wife then because it's our instinct to spread our "seed" throughout the world. We don't know why. It's just nature.... that makes sense right?
Honestly ladies you've been using us for a long time, and it's about time someone took notice. Times have changed. Women have good paying jobs, unlike years past where they had relatively modest incomes, or none at all. Yes then the man should pay, but now with things being equal and in fact many men being passed over in favor of women for promotions simply for PR reasons, it's time to "be the man" and realize it's about two people, friends in fact, going out to have fun. Have enough respect for the guy and offer to split the bill or pay even.
It's time we respect each other. That means sharing responsibility and being part of each others life, not just a pretty trophy. Women, respect yourselves and offer to pay. You don't need a handout anymore. Guys know it and really we're getting disgusted with the whole thing. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 1:41:00 PM | | Well if the gals pay for their share right from the beginning...I consider them "independant"........and if they don't.......I consider them "users". It doesn't take a HS GED to figure out that any women who figures that the man should pay for the 1st date, is pulling this old "chivalry" BS so she can keep her money in her own jeans. And of course after they all get back to the hen house they compare notes and have a good laugh. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 6:07:32 PM | I don't mind treating women or friends, but just the concept that payment is automatically entirely my responsibility or I'm a cheapskate because I'm male does annoy me. It sullies the whole act and turns it into something forced instead of the gift that it should be. At best, it is clearly hypocritical when they wind up never paying a dime. Self-entitlement is not attractive.
Some women are often set on making the men work for them, but when it gets turned around on them they act like we're cheap, a jerk, or whatever for not playing along with their archaic rules to somehow prove we're interested. If their attention is enough to prove they are really interested in us, that should work both ways. No if's, and's, or but's. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 6:29:30 PM | | Men give women the impression of celebrity in this country. That is why they risk their lives to be the kind of woman men spend money on. By getting themselves erased and drawn back over on. I mean they wear everything fake for the most part so that men will notice them. But the thing is, only spineless men buy their women. I mean the boat, the train, the plane, the car, the clothes is all a peacock dance by spineless men who want a woman who has the perky fake boobs, the long hair, the tan, the apple bottom, the collagen lips, ala Pamela Sue Anderson. Beside him in his Ferarri or Mazeratti. They go out looking for sex horses to mount in a hedonistic feeding frenzy. Why else would a woman invest at least 10 grand on a life threatening proceedure like breast implants to attract that kind of attention? Guys walk up a million a minute to plastic women competing with an 18" toy named Barbie and offer them drinks. Trips around the world, a part in a movie, video etc. Drinks, dinner and movies. Done up women live in a veritable wonderland of men vying for their attention as if it is the social norm of our time. So much so a lot have reached celebrity status by being the biggest whores they can possibly be. So it's obvious, men will lie, cheat, steal, kill, ruin their kids lives through messy divorces due to cheating on their moms, screw up their bank account with that, screw up their wives, her family etc all for a romp in the sack with a circus clown of a machination that is supposed to be a living human rendition of a toy for a little girl. There starts the programming. Giving the girl the toy anyway. So, most expect to not be laughed at when they wear their first dress to the prom with that stupid metal contraption on their heads called a tiara. And all the dumb rocks in it. (I am laughing my ass off while saying this.) but it's true. It's engrained into them that they are special and deserve special treatement. So a lot act like they do. And they get it. Some guys will do anything for a "Living Doll" even demean themselves by begging. Of course this is not a general concensus of all women. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 7:05:38 PM | Some men on here I think come from another planet.
Men have always been preoccupied with spreading their seed, so what else is new.
Used to be that the man would ask a woman on a date and treat her with the express thought of getting..... umm....... appreciation for his effort, now men don't want to put any effort into dating at all but they still want the..... umm..... appreciation.
Using equality as an excuse. I've never used a man ever. But I'll be damned if I have to show my... ummm.... appreciation to a cheapskate or a manipulator. I'll reserve my appreciation for a real male thank you very much.
If he isn't a gentleman then he can find his seed outlet in the computer. He'll have to wait awhile though because virtual sex doesn't exist yet. So he'll have to grudgingly make do with a real woman in the mean time. Poor guy what a hardship. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 7:28:50 PM | | If I wanna spread seed. I will buy a farm. Players pay for the booty. Nice guys do not pay for sex as a show of appreciation and don't want to be shown appreciation for a nice evening by getting a woman to give him sex. No thanks. I can get it for free anytime I want. I live in a college town and get hit on by 20 year old college girls every drunken binge weekend. That is the Last thing I want. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 8:16:51 PM | | So you gals are telling us men that you have no prob paying your own way on dates. My experience is that as soon as I mention "dutch" the 1st word out of your mouths is "cheap". But then if I went all out to show you a good time( at my expence) the 1st word out of your mouths would be "fool". Why?? beause its for sure you gals wouldn't be taking any man out and spending your hard earned cash on him. So pay your way and keep that dime between your knees. That way you won't feel obligated......And I won't feel used. True equality at work. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 8:42:05 PM | ^^Are you so truly weak that you need permission to live your life as you see fit? Perhaps you care too much what someone else thinks... Fool, cheap...
You can't be used if you don't allow it. Do you just always date women that don't like you? | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 8:50:24 PM | | I always offer to share the expenses of an outing. I'm more concerned about having fun and getting to know a person rather than be spending money. There's are lots of things to do that don't cost much or anything at all really. :) | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 9:00:40 PM | ^^Are you so truly weak that you need permission to live your life as you see fit? Perhaps you care too much what someone else thinks... Fool, cheap...
You can't be used if you don't allow it. Do you just always date women that don't like you?
What does complaining about the women who act like it's a mortal sin to go dutch have to do with being weak? I read it all the time from their own posts on forums like this, and have seen it on more than one occasion where a woman will go off about a man being a cheapskate or less of a human being if he doesn't cover the entire date the first few times. I think it is stupid and hypocritical, therefore I say so. It doesn't mean I date them or that I believe all women are like that. | |
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