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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/25/2007 9:06:14 PM | | Well Hiwayman, I generally pay my way and always have. Sometimes I treat, sometimes he treats. Everybody's not like everybody else. You seem to have a problem with this whole dating thing anyway! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:01:00 AM | | Your one of the minority then because every woman I have been friends with or dated have never remotely tried to pay for anything. The few I know and the ones that have kids have tried to get me to buy for their kids yet their x dead beat dads pay for nothing! Ive over heard some talk to their g/f that just got engaged and is showing off her ring well when and if the rock on that ring isnt a carrot or more their all like well he's cheap! The ring is suppose to be a symbol but to women the price and size the rock is means more than anything to them! When I was married my wife insisted that we each have our own bank accounts the joint account was what ever other people gave us. This was fine till I found a job making twice what I was making for working about half the amount of hours! I have one female friend now that never has paid for a single thing yet she gets mad when I dont call her! I guess the fact Im tired of being used maybe someday will sink in to her brain! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:20:56 AM | This is strange because it is proper etiquette to pay if you've asked the person out for dinner. Still, I have ALWAYS offered, and they have always refused. I have never had a date take me up on my offer.
So, as much complaining as there seems to be on this thread, my experience is that most men also feel that it is right for them to pay for the dinner. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:36:13 AM | | It's because women feel they are entitled by virture of their sex. It is an expectation brought on bya society that still believes in the man being the sole bread winner and women taking advantage of it. Did you ever go out with one that says, " I am a financially independent woman." Ever wonder why she enjoys that luxury . . . BECAUSE YOU ARE FOOTING THE BILL. The better looking they are the more entitled they think they are. You are in a sense paying for the arm candy while they accure the interest. THANK GOD all women do not fall in that category but alas TOO many do. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 5:02:15 AM | Personally if I invite someone, I'll pay for everything. I resent the comments from some men on here, about dimes between the knees and gold digging and bla bla bla.
One act is often symbolic of a deeper meaning. If a man offers to pay he's telling me a lot more than his capacity for opening his wallet.
I don't give 2 hoots about what's in his wallet but I do care that he's a gentleman and respectful.
Anyway I find it illogical that someone complains continually about the other sex and they are on here looking for someone.
I never offer to pay if I've been invited, and I'm curious if any man on here will figure out why that is. The man that figures it out will make me very happy indeed. | |
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Zeyphr
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Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 406 | |
| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 4:35:34 PM | Our society makes up droning names to call people in order to denigrate them and slander them into conformity. Names like nerd, stupid, fat, blonde, cheap, homophobe, geek etc. Are all made to be used in a daily harassement of someone until they are so fed up with hearing it. They will change and do what is required to not hear it again. Then people say things like, "You don't have to do it if you don't want to." It's just an imbecillic way to offer advice. No one likes to be insulted. And giving someone the finger will get their neck hair in a rears. So lets not act like it's all that simple of a solution shall we? As soon as someone calls you a name on here you will jump at responding. So it's not as simple as not paying attention when someone who wants a free ride. To feel like she is on top of the world and everyone wants her. Because that is all women are promised from the time they are children. Men have to tippie toe around them because of their frail bodies, nature and feelings. It's why a lot of women hate men opening doors for them. They don't want the special treatment.
It is ingrained in men you pay for ass. That simple. Cause women make you pay. Men do it every day. Look at the porn industry. You pay to get imaginary ass. You never get laid, you never touch the girl, you just see her on film and have to fend for youself with your right or left hand. So in essence to pay to f**k yourself. I mean what planet are we pretending to be on here? Men pay all the time for companionship from women. Men spend more money than women on the average so most of the advertisement is geared to getting male money.
So as soon as a man decides he doesn't want to foot the bill, most times he will be slandered and talked about like a dog. That is why the women who are considered the most attractive say that a poor guy will never get a girl like her. They are high maintenance and require a lot of attention to keep happy and enthused otherwise they end up leaving for another man who will pay to keep her entertained. So it is a pointed argument. Southern women are more of an exception to the rule. Most I have met are genuine and sweet. Cosmopolitan women from the north are more the gold diggers I have found. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 8:49:40 PM |
That is why the women who are considered the most attractive say that a poor guy will never get a girl like her. They are high maintenance and require a lot of attention to keep happy and enthused otherwise they end up leaving for another man who will pay to keep her entertained. So it is a pointed argument.
Well, high maintenance women have to pay for that maintenance. They don't wake up looking that way. There are expenses and time spent in clothing, jewellery, skin/hair/nail products/regimines, and perhaps weekly salon or spa visits.
If a guy is dating one of these girls, all of that stuff does not come for free, and likely her lingerie is not the wal mart special either. These women probably spend more money on a bra than a typical dinner most men would spend on them.
So to expect a date to show up for your date looking like a magazine covergirl, and also go dutch is unrealistic. In the real world these types of women are looking for men who can foot the bill for that lifestyle for the rest of their lives...but can you blame them? It is what they are accustomed to. | |
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Zeyphr
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Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 408 | |
| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 8:59:26 PM | Being accustom to something is not to say that it is required interaction. And to say that it is unrealistic for a woman who looks like a mag to go dutch is just sheltered thinking. I dated many models and contest winners in my life. And I found that the ones who were the most refreshing had no concept of conceit. I dated this model from Vancouver who was surrounded by about 7 guys trying to light her cigarette and she walked over to me cause I wasn't made of jelly. (I posted her pic on my profile taken the first night we hung out) We hung out all that night and I spent the night in her hotel with her. She bought me breakfast and we held each other all night without sexual intercourse. She was gorgeous and this is not the first time this has happened. She was tired of men buying her things and coming on to her with money and stuff to win her favor. She was tired of relationships with men in general. But she seem to like me enough. All my girls take care of me. I have a gorgeous friend who works at Hooters who buys me beer when I come to see her. I know a few bartenders who are hot too that take care of me. So I can't fully agree with the whole pay for them psychie. Anyone worth being with will show equal affection and responsibility. Otherwise, just go to an escort service, pick out the most luscious woman you can find. Pay her for it, and develop a relationship over time with her and some day when she retires wealthy, you might be in for a nice suprise. In fact, I was supposed to go see her and she came back here to see me. So there is hope for losers yet.
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 9:15:03 PM | | I being one of the women who do not believe that men should buy everything, have found that when I do go out with a man who is willing to pay for the date they usually expect some sort of payment in return, one way or another. If i am to go out with someone then the first drink is always on me, that way i feel that there is no obligation there and i don't owe anyone anything. I find that Dutch is very impersonal, my opinion is you pay for dinner i will cover drinks and the tip or the other way around, it doesn't have to be written in stone, as long as both parties are willing to pay for the enjoyment of the evening and have the means then you can sit back relax and actually get to know each. Has everyone forgotten about the old picnic plan... you bring the weiners i will bring the buns... what more do you need except for the spark to start the fire. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 9:35:19 PM | I think it all depends on what age bracket you are in. I am in the over-50 bracket, and I have never paid a dime toward a date. The guys always pick up everything. But you need to remember, at the risk of being repetitive, that I am dating men who are over 50. Consequently, they are making good money by virtue of seniority in their job, or because of promotions. They drive expensive cars, wear good clothing and can afford to pick up the tab for dates on a regular basis. Additionally, men that age are usually not involved with child support, which gives them more money to spend.
However, I know it is quite different for younger men. I have two sons who are in their 30's. From what they tell me they pick up the tab for the first few dates, then after that it almost a fifty-fifty deal with the man paying a little more than the woman. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/26/2007 9:52:30 PM | | I often wonder why girls get so freaked out when I offer to pay for them. For some reason they think that the very act of me paying is like a huge step in the relationship. Um it isn't! It's called Chivalry! Nowadays I stay away from doing that on the first date, because the first date is always the most casual. After a few more dates, I will offer to pay. Girls that think you should buy everything... Hmm.... never had that problem, so I'm afraid i can't offer too much except for the fact that any girl who wants u to pay once in a while or drive 60% of the time is fine. Any girl who wants you to do/buy everything, is a *itch | |
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Zeyphr
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Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 413 | |
| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 10:39:50 AM | | I agree Jimnasium. Any female that expects the man to pay for it all is a user. In the case of a wife, I would be duty bound to take care of her. But most just want to flitter from guy to guy getting all that they can get in order to feel celebrity like. Even in their old age, they get face lifts, this tucked, that done. All to attract that much needed addicted attention so they can feel like they are on the top of the world when all they really are is on top of some guys back who is holding her up like a teen couple at a rock concert. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 10:48:47 AM | OK this one really really PISSES ME OFF!! Where are you meeting these girls? Cause I'm not one of them, nor do I know any. ., in fact, I've started wondering recently (which is why I'm replying to this post) why its ME that always pays..,especially since I'm the 'single mom'. This whole thing is bull crap.., I think taking turns, or going dutch would be a sufficent answer to this problem.
I have ALWAYS paid, b/c some reason or another, 'he can't afford' it, 'or this happened, or that happened', BULL SHIT! HOWEVER, I am the sucker who doesn't want to NOT go to the movies, or the bar, or dinner, or wherever SO I PAY! Which isn't cool., b/c a girl can get really bitter putting up with this.
So guys when you can pay, pay. Girls, offer and do IT on occasion.,so we can all just live happily ever after!~ | |
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Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 416 | |
| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 10:54:02 AM | | He's talking about women who are to die for 10's. Not moms with kids. Single women who are hot and know it and are top notch. Those are usually the one's men don't mind paying for in hopes of sleeping with. No one is as anxious when it comes to mother with kids, BBW's, women out of shape, not that good looking, plain janes etc. He is talking about Hooter's girls, Playboy Bunnies, all the fantasy women. Those are the one's even men what are married go for. You see the minions at stage side of some slutty whore of a stripper who has that number 10 body with the fake tits and ass that is shaped like a Super Hero Female. Those are the ones men with no spine pay for. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 12:28:22 PM | Never had that problem!!
I have always found the women insist on paying for everything...meals, expensive cruises etc.
I lost count of all the ROLEX watches, Lexus cars etc. they have given me...
Just for once I would like to reciprocate BUT they won't allow it!!
Don't they know... I CAN'T BE BOUGHT!!
I will always keep MY integrity!! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 5:57:12 PM | | LMAO, oh, you men with your pathetic egos, arrogance and inability to deal with a "real" woman, not some classless whore, who has fake everything...my, my, my you do like that arm candy don't you and you sure hope you can get it into bed. I've read some asinine statements but the last few on here are over the top including the one defending how much women spend on spa treatments, nails etc, oh GAG! Personally, I don't believe a man should pay for everything, it's just common courtesy to help pay or pay your own way. I think this should be discussed at the beginning of a relationship (with a real woman, not the whores some of you speak of) I do, however, have a real problem with anyone -m or f- who is cheap and shows it by never offering to pay for anything. Cheapness is not a characteristic I would want in a partner, been there, done that. Being cheap is a character flaw and it shows up in many ways i.e. lack of compassion and sympathy, being apathetic to anything other than your narrow little world, the inability to offer to help someone in need, etc. etc. And to the girl who says she pays for everything, STOP! Either go out with girlfriends or find some nice male friends instead of being taken advantage of by cheap user types and men that advice goes to you too... | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 7:50:46 PM | | Well, i am more annoying with being EXPECTED to pay for anything, if i go on a date, i don't mind paying for it, i just hate being expected to, its like the girl being expected to put out on a certain date number...its annoying. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/27/2007 7:53:29 PM | reputations to you!
if a girl expects me to pay for every single goddamn date she's getting the swan song. i dont mind paying for the first few but after that she had better ante up especially if she suggests where we are going. | |
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Zeyphr
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Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 422 | |
| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/28/2007 2:40:13 AM |
oh, you men with your pathetic egos,
The magazines at the news stand, the calendars, Betty Boop with her clevage coming out and garter, Minnie Mouse with polkadoted undies showing, Daisey Duck with NO undies at all. Comic Book women to die for. Is she kidding? We are slaughtered with naked images of women at all levels of life. Billions flock to get fake boobs and because we are very sensitive and get all emotionally caught up because that is the trait we posess and not the reason and rationale that was given a woman to love in a different way, we are mocked for feeling good about ourself? Please, every place I looked as a child I saw naked images of women who consented to be naked. No one hypnotized them into doing it and they are not so weak that men over power them to do it. They do it because they want the attention and love it. So let's stay realistic here. The make up industry alone rakes in billions. Illusion is what women use to fake men out into wanting them for purely sexual reasons so they can get things from men in the first place. Ego has nothing to do with it. Nerds have no ego. And they desparately want dynamic looking women and would do anything to have one. I remember the first time I made love wasn't until I was 23. She was magnanimously gorgeous and I was scared stiff as a board. All the programming in the world prepared me to be that way too. We are turned into simpletons just like in the cartoons when the girl walks by the wolf and he goes ga ga and starts howeling and barking like a dog, while hitting himself in the head and runs up to the gorgeous baby doll all made up and shapely. We are programned to be like this. And it works. There are books out on how to pick up women because most guys either only know how to be a idiot cheating jerk who sleeps around with women begging them to come back and abuse them some more because they have to win the bad boy over. Or there are men paying for it through the nose because the bad boys messed the girls over and the girls got tired of it so they decided they would get something out of it instead of pregnant and left raising children alone with no husband because he is off screwing the sexy secretary. Can't say I blame them. But in a natural state? Hairy armpits, hairy legs, unibrow, no lipstick, no eye shadow, no rouge, none of the lifts, pullies and cranes holding a woman together? Let me see you get a man. So it's done to get the attention and response it gets and then we are condemned for it? For wanting romance and to touch a beautiful woman? Something too beautiful to believe even though it is plastic, we can't identify because we are on over load. Yea, well sue me, kill me and put me in a basket. It's my fault isn't it? | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/28/2007 5:56:26 PM | felatrix:Please, every place I looked as a child I saw naked images of women who consented to be naked. No one hypnotized them into doing it and they are not so weak that men over power them to do it. They do it because they want the attention and love it. So let's stay realistic here. But in a natural state? Hairy armpits, hairy legs, unibrow, no lipstick, no eye shadow, no rouge, none of the lifts, pullies and cranes holding a woman together? Let me see you get a man. So it's done to get the attention and response it gets and then we are condemned for it?"
This thread has been time-warped back to the 1950's right?? Where did you get the idea that I was advocating the natural look (which is a personal choice by the way). Most women do wear makeup, etc, but study after study has shown that the cheaper brands have the exact same ingredients as the expensive brands, I was responding to the idea of how much it costs for a "high maintenance" woman to keep herself looking good, which was someone's rationale for having the man pay when they go out... Personally I take care of myself for myself, not to please anyone but myself. Now about your analogy that you have been psychologically warped by the naked images of women, women who are made up to look toooo beautiful...if you are smart enough to realize that you have been "psyched out" by some air brushed, fake, boob enhanced illusion of a real woman, why aren't your smart enough to refuse to play the game? We are constantly bombarded with ads about material goods whose possession will miraculously make us deliriously happy (your profile says you are in that game, you should know that). That hardly makes me foolish enough to run out and buy a Viper, new flooring, a new house or chase after some young buffed stud, so why can't you get beyond the illusion and look for a woman to whom you are attracted but also look beyond the fake facade to see what lies beneath. And I'll bet there are thousands and thousands of beautiful single moms ??hello?? Of course, there is always the chance that a vacuous Ken really is looking for a vacuous Barbi. I'm not sure what your angry statements really have to do with the thread topic, but since you brought them up, I have addressed your issues. Now I have to run, gotta keep that appt. for the face lift, boob job, tummy tuck...  | |
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Zeyphr
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Joined: 6/12/2007
Msg: 425 | |
| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/29/2007 2:56:03 AM | Sorry idahosun. I am not into answering every warped conspiracy theory that someone extrapolates from what I say and then blames me for saying it juxtapose curt remarks and vain attempts at levity. I would have to repost everything I say everytime I say it. Sort of like telling a Woody Allen joke and then explaining it. It loses it's meaning.
Make up is not 1950's. Natural is not 1950's. I know tons of Scandinavian and Italian women who don't care for the paste and razors. And I don't live in a box. Maintenance doesn't mean money spent on make up. It's money spent period. And Like I said, men are emotional more than reasonable. And not as reasonable as women. So no one can just be as smart as you say they aren't and so do get psyched out by women in person not the airbrushed mag girls. Ask a lot of men this question. There is even a forum for it. If they have ever been fooled or made out with a transsexual instead of a woman cause pasty faces deceive that much. No one said I can't get beyond the illusion. I was more speaking in third person. As this "men" creature that a lot of women seem to think we all belong to as if we were the Borg or some uni-mind uni-body creature that all take the blame for when one of us fails to act. But emotionally speaking, a beautiful women is a beautiful woman. And it turns a guy on. Doesn't mean I have to have her for instant sexual gratification cause I got turned on by her. I don't ever have to see her again and I am good with it. I fail to see someone with such skills at criticism not being able to see the point I made is men get emotional over women so they want to buy them everything they want if they would just grace them with their lovelyness and show them some of the love men show women in order to win their affection etc etc etc what I said before if you read it again. And if I am as daft as you make me out to be. Just ignore my post because I make no sense and don't need 5 pages more of criticism for you to tell me so. | |
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