| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/29/2007 3:09:12 AM | | I feel embarressed if anyone pays for everything for me, I insist on paying half, and thats not just dates, that includes friends 2. I like to be independent, and show that I can pay my own way, and also that I'm not there to take the guys money and be a gold digger, but that I'm with him for him. Like if we go out for drinks, I insist that for every drink he buys me, I buy one for him 2 :) | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:15:11 AM | Quote; "WTF! Losers! Are all the broke men replying to this post? Seems like it."
Well, I paid for the dates, the wedding, the house, the SUV and everything else.. Why you ask? Because she was worth it.. And I'd do it again for the right gal.
Dumb ass! And what did it get you? Divorced. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:54:00 AM | Interesting since I'm the one that flips the bill most of the time (with the same guy of course) and not for any reason other than that I want to.
I don't think its that women think they're special, but it goes back to the old fashioned, traditional courting days where chivalry was still the "in" thing and that included the bill. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 7/31/2007 10:41:13 AM |
I don't think its that women think they're special, but it goes back to the old fashioned, traditional courting days where chivalry was still the "in" thing and that included the bill.
Those women were worth it and in abundant supply. Also, a lot of them were good for life long mates. Most modern women aren't worth the meal you lose when you climax. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/2/2007 12:24:21 PM | Such vitriolic, angry hatred spewing across these pages. No wonder 51% of American women are single and want to stay that way. Seems there's some kind of identity crisis going on also...I'll keep paying my own way rather than be considered a piece of meat paid for by a few dollars spent on drinks or a meal or whatever at the conclusion of a date. Time to grow up boys.  | |
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Zeyphr
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/2/2007 2:21:20 PM |
Time to grow up boys.
Actually, walking around wearing Tiaras, Paste on one's face, Baby Doll dresses, shoes that make a distinctive noise so you know a female is coming, metal (bracelets, rings etc.) all over that claxons the arrival of same, Sashes across one's breast contest winner with trophy and crown, etc etc etc. Does not constitute grown up in my book. It's women trying to be on top of the world and avoiding responsibility for children and their proper rearing. As opposed to being the focus of everyones attention, love, affection, admiration, gifts and flattery. It's a glut of an egoism and flouted in naked images in art, music, Roman Churches, Movies, Porn, Temples etc. that men are supposed to "grow up and get use to it." like men have no feelings at all and are all brute beast driven by primal urge alone like cave men evolutionalist insist. It's a stereotype and a heinous lable given to men as a race.
Another veiled slander in attempts to psychologically impose upon men the burden of spending or suffer scorn for not making random various females happy at all cost. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/2/2007 5:54:56 PM | z:"It's women trying to be on top of the world and avoiding responsibility for children and their proper rearing."
Yes, time warped back to the 50's when Father Knows Best and women were bought and paid for by daddy's paycheck...not so fast boys. I would question what certain posters on here know about raising children, I have no doubt that the answer is a resounding "nothing" and that if asked when you intend to raise children, your answer would be a resounding "never". We've moved on from the 50's and you're just going to have to grow up and accept the fact that you probably won't find a version of your mommy out there in the world to cater to your every need but also pay her own way??? and include sex in the mix. No, the women of today are too busy raising children, working, paying their way in the world and the last thing they need in their lives is some psychotic misognynist beating them -literally and figuratively-into what he perceives a woman should be in the warped hate-filled, illogical, convoluted diatribes on a thread that is supposed to be about who pays for what if a man and woman are together. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/2/2007 7:19:43 PM | There is a lot of venom spit in this thread.
As far as I am concerned I will not date (anymore) a woman who's profile says "For Dating". All those ladies want to do is date to get a meal or two, and then move on to another victim.
Give me a woman anytime who wants to find a guy for " long Term". Its coffee and a walk to get to know each other. At least there is halve a chance that it will develop into something permanent. If it does'nt, thats ok, you might have made a friend. In the future you might take the lady on a date , and guess what? it wont even hurt to pay for the night out because you want to.
My opinion.....milions might disagree with me | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/2/2007 7:39:08 PM | idahosun ...sounds like a lot of hate towards men
and include sex in the mix. No, the women of today are too busy raising children, working, paying their way in the world and the last thing they need in their lives is some psychotic misognynist beating them -literally and figuratively-into what he perceives a woman should be in the warped hate-filled, illogical, convoluted diatribes on a thread that is supposed to be about who pays for what if a man and woman are together.
All I can say " get a grip Dear" | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/5/2007 10:16:50 AM | Thanks Finlander. Much obliged.
And furthermore:
you're just going to have to grow up and accept the fact that you probably won't find a version of your mommy out there in the world to cater to your every need but also pay her own way??? and include sex in the mix.
To slander the relationship a man has with his mother, is just perfecting buffoonery. The one woman who means the most to a man he is denigrated for being close to. She is called his 'mommy' to insinuate the man hasn't grown up and is still using baby terms to talk to his mother.
Well, I love my mother and we are very close. Always will be. And she still takes care of me. I am her son. And rightfully so. Any son to mother relationship is a two way street. You are suppose to bring your mother joy. And that is priceless and irreplaceable, material things pale in comparrason. And as a normal human being. We go through the whole gammut of emotions and still remain a family. That's what families do. Not let newly found acquaintances slander them into leaving them for 'friends' and 'getting on with their lives.' like the people closest to them don't matter. How can anyone appreciate what someone else will give them if they cannot appreciate those who gave them everything including their lives?
As far as finding someone like my mother. I did. She died of pneumonia surrounding complications of insulin withdrawl in 1995, we had been separated for about 6 years. She was probably the only woman who ever did loved me. And she did take care of me. She was sole proprietor of her own business. Worked out of the home. Was English, Irish, Scottish and we were in love for 5 1/2 years. I smoked a lot of pot back then so I was pretty worthless. All I did was odd jobs here and there.
I had had my heart eviscerated before I met her and just didn't trust women at all. And she tried and tried to show me love. I just didn't believe in it, though I asked her to marry me 5 times. She fixed dinner, made love to me, paid the bills, cleaned the house and took care of 5 cats. Ran like 5 miles every day, rowed for 2 hours. She was the perfect mate. I vacillated. I was a deadbeat and I lost her because I was untrusting and scared. So I got high. I regret doing that and never forgot the lesson. So the next girl I met, 1996 I gave everything to and was injured in a work related accident and lost her after 1 1/2 years. So your absolute faith in being able to just make up your own statistics to justify your frame of mind are unfathomable. Especially when you make incredulous comments like, "you're just going to have to grow up and accept the fact that you probably won't find a version of your mommy out there in the world to cater to your every need but also pay her own way" because not only did this happen once, but it has been proposed a few times. And I wasn't even looking for it.
Anyone who proposes such a situation ( to be my surrogate 'mommy') needs more than I can provide. I don't want someone to take care of me like mother. I don't sleep with my mother. Better than mother. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/6/2007 11:09:30 PM | Women who genuinely offer to pay their half and women who do not are really communicating to you their desires. It is really not rocket science:
1) Woman offers to pay - She is looking for a relationship. She wants to be respected as a person and therefore respects you as a person and does not treat you as a money-object.
2) Woman does not offer to pay - She views you as a money-object and is offering herself as a sex-object. She is seeking a quid-quo-pro relationship.
Fellas, be grateful for the whole dinner and who pays predicament. It is the quickest way to accurately determine a woman's relationship worth and her own personal philosophy. | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/8/2007 9:35:06 AM | to the great one, it's not me who needs to get a grip, it's the hate-spewing women haters on here, if you read the posts of the flaming one, you will see what my responses are about...but you do need to read all that was written beforehand in this thread to understand what I am talking about and that I do not believe in the man paying for everything, but that is not what the flamer was attacking...  | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/8/2007 10:23:57 AM | Too much thinking about what you're going to pay for, and too little actual dating. I'm going to guess this is part of why many of the men in the thread are still looking.
If you're going to make a federal case of paying for a dinner or two, it's too much of a hassle. The lady just says, "Next".
I've been in a relationship for a little over two years now, before that I was married most of my life (husband died in 2003). When I finally wanted to meet a man again after my husband passed away, I went on some dates. The man always paid in the beginning. It was never even a question. Call it old fashioned, whatever. But there wasn't any vitriol about it whatsoever. It just was.
Some of the dates were fun, some were not. Some were dinners, some were coffees. Since the guy did the asking, the guy did the choosing of venue and also the paying. I remember one time meeting a guy at Starbucks. He was already seated drinking his coffee. I introduced myself and said I'd be back in a minute after I'd gotten a bottle of water (I don't drink coffee). He immediately got up and said, "I'll get it for you".
The boyfriend I have now makes a lot less than I do, so I make it up in certain ways. I'll treat to some trips, or the more expensive dinners. We make our contributions to the relationship"proportional".
The whole idea of making a federal case over who is going to pay for things is silly. If you have a relationship it evens out. Before that time, since you are a guy you get to pick if you're asking. Later on when the lady starts asking, she gets to pick and pay.
You're making something simple way too complicated.
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/8/2007 10:38:11 AM | I may not be rich (yet), but I take pride in myself, so I always pay for dates. If I don't get a long term relationship out of it, of course I'm going to be pissed, but it's only a gamble nonetheless. I think I've spent a lot on dates, but what about those guys who never have to spend a dime? Now I just don't get that...
I know a lot of guys my age who are just plain "bums", they're scruffy, unstylish, and they're also only average looking at best (some even have a beer gut), but somehow they're always with a woman who dresses nice and is remarkably beautiful. These women also always pay for these guys too... Then I look in the mirror (maybe I'm flawed?), but I see an emmaculate looking young man staring back at me, his hair may be a bit longer than the norm, but it's trimmed and he's well groomed. He dresses well (a bit on the dark side, but impeccable nonetheless). So why isn't he with these women? | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/8/2007 12:08:59 PM | | hmm interesting lol I have often felt that when a man buys something for me maybe that is his way of splitting on the rediculous amount of time money and effort I have to put into "looking good" just throwing this out there ... I have gone to the drugstore with male friends and seen their jaws drop at the amount of money a girl has to put up on cleansers, (which you can try out and find they do nothing for you so you must go find a new formula) lotions, (delacate balance of finding the right lotion for face body etc that wont give pimples!) shampoo/conditioner/stylingproducts, ( the stuff at the drugstore generally ****s up your hair, a girl is better off going for the expensive salon stuff if she can get it) and makeup! (the nicer the makeup - the more expensive cheap shit looks cheap no way round it) yes buying these products is a choice, but a forced one our society dictates i must conform or be labelled unaceptable same as a cheap guy who wont pay on a date is considered often in the wrong. I would never get a date at all if I stopped shaving my legs (shaving cream and razors are very expensive too!) and wearing mascara (mascara is min. ten dollars a pop and a tube really dosent last long before it gets goopy and gross and sometimes if you get an eye infection you have to throw out the whole tube even if its brand new :( ) so yeah if a guy wants to spend 4 dollars on a drink for me I shrug and take it thats the price I just paid for this lipgloss (I am lucky and found it on sale.) ... oh yeah, don't even get me started on clothes and shoes!!!! just go ahead and read those shopaholic books maybe then you will understand :P | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/8/2007 1:53:46 PM | Q. Why should men pay for everything? A. We shouldn't.
Q. Who should pay for the date? A. Whomever asked for the date.
Q. Why is there such differences in opinion? A. Because people like to ****!!!!
Q. Who thinks men should pay for dates to compensate for women' time spent in front of a mirror to look good?
A. <~~~not this guy!!!!! | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/8/2007 10:06:16 PM | | ok reason to smile then you and I are going on a date and I'm not going to shower for 3 days beforehand ( and I am not going to wear deodorant either!) My treat! muaHAHAHAHAA! *runs cackling into the street with messy hair... wearing sweats with an insane gleam in her eye* (yeah I have too much insomniac time on my hands :P) | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/9/2007 1:53:14 AM | I have often felt that when a man buys something for me maybe that is his way of splitting on the rediculous amount of time money and effort I have to put into "looking good" just throwing this out there ... I have gone to the drugstore with male friends and seen their jaws drop at the amount of money a girl has to put up on cleansers, (which you can try out and find they do nothing for you so you must go find a new formula) lotions, (delacate balance of finding the right lotion for face body etc that wont give pimples!) shampoo/conditioner/stylingproducts, ( the stuff at the drugstore generally ****s up your hair, a girl is better off going for the expensive salon
Wow, I didn't realize that most women had to do all of that just for little ol me.
So does this mean that I should ask for her wal-greens reciepts before I pay for dinner?
But in all seriosness, if I'm asking her on a date I generally expect to be paying.
But from now on, if I see a pimple on her face....... | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/9/2007 3:44:35 AM | Until recently I was a student, struggling on a low amount per week - but if i ever went on a date, i would always make some type of contribution - or at least offer. With many of my dates they've luckily seemed to understand my predicaments and often refused for me to pay for dinner etc - but - throughout the rest of the evening, i would consciously try and figure out a place to bring out my wallet and put a few pounds into it - with a guy i dated quite a few times, we did it sort of proportionate - yes i know some people might argue that its too much into the financial jargon.
Obviously now i am earning a respectable wage in comparison to my age, i will expect to contribute more to a date - hey, why should i keep my hard earned money for ME and he doesn't get to keep his for him?
When a guy does the "picking the tab up" thing on a first date, i can't deny it feels nice - like he appreciates the effort Ive gone into and that hes truly interested. BUT surely that should be reciprocated too? what about me showing I'm interested?
male chivalry isn't totally alive, but its not totally dead - nowadays there just needs to be something called "female chivalry" | |
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| women and why they think men should buy everything ????
Posted: 8/10/2007 9:08:16 AM |
Q. Why should men pay for everything? A. We shouldn't.
Q. Who should pay for the date? A. Whomever asked for the date.
Q. Why is there such differences in opinion? A. Because people like to ****!!!!
Q. Who thinks men should pay for dates to compensate for women' time spent in front of a mirror to look good?
A. <~~~not this guy!!!!!
Yep, that says it all. Nice work.
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