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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/19/2006 1:15:14 PM | The real issue here is the way how the activists are making their opinion heard. If you really want to "win" the best way, IMO, is to use the same methods as the "enemy".
What they can do is to try to influence the law (there is basis existing already in the form of animal rights), and - even better - by manipulating public opinion. Demanding and intimidation never works as well as appealing to people's vanity: become a fashion designer. Study material science and offer other natural kind, attracting and warm (not oil based so do not offer here those already existing materials used for winter clothing) of materials to be used. Start a religion - in fact this is one of the most effective way to influence in people's behaviour and choises. - Anything else but not a criminal act, for that they are still a minority, aka without real power. It is not furthering their cause. (See any similarities with justifying other "hot" issues?)
- Shortly, by killing the demand you kill the supply. | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/22/2006 6:33:12 PM | Not at all.
I have yet to hear about animal rights activists releasing pigs from a feed lot.
It seems in the rush to satisfy the Desires of human whim, other Beings must pay the ultimate price. Nature is bloody and can seem cruel in the fight to survive. That is Nature and human is supposedly somehow "above" that....or we are not?
Of course we're not above nature. This commonly held misception has led us into all kinds of trouble. | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/26/2006 1:14:17 AM | I have never heard of animals being released from a feed lot. It seems dragon you may (I am not certain) have got the misconception that I agree our current methods of raising and using animals. For the most part I do not. That being said I am not opposed to eating and using animal products.
If it were me I would have no say in the matter so I would try not to worry about it. We are a part of nature. I do not question my place as I would not were I a grouse. Which have maybe a 1 in 10 chance of surviving their first year. Thats why they have so many babies. Is a wolf cruel for eating rabbits? Am I?
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/26/2006 1:31:28 AM | | Why do we people raise ourselfs above all other animals and think that everything on this earth is just ment for us to use?Raising animals to strip them of their skin is just awfull and a good way to show the humanitys disrespect for other living creaturs.Offcourse releasing the animals will lead to great suffer for the individualls but it has started up the debate again and maybe it is ok to sacriface some for the greater good? | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/26/2006 1:59:50 AM | its better to starve to death than have ur skin ripped from ur body while still alive and concious. imagine the pain and agonizing slow death.
im not saying wot they did was right but i know why they did it. the farmers dont care. they r the ones causing the cruelty. they only care for money.
instead of critisizing them, everyone should do as much as possible to stop fur farming. its barbaric!!
dont wear fur of any sort!!
http://www.peta.org.uk/feat/feat-burberry.asp
http://www.peta.org.uk/ | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/27/2006 1:53:46 PM | Mink where released around the new forest and almost wiped out alot of wildlife, otters are now in deline as mink are highly adaptable intelligent creatures and will out fish they're rivers and have even been know to kill lambs whilst native wildlife gets the blame for it. In a condensed population they will cause alot of damage before they either disperse or are thinned out by either natral or unnatral causes. Blame the fashion industry selling a coat worth about 60 pelts to keep a rich woman warm.
Interferance even if it was meant on 'compassionate grounds' has again been poorly thought out extreemists of any kind do so much damage if these people really where animal lovers they would think of a more logical solution. and fashion houses would look at the general consensus that vast majority would prefer to wear fake or not at all.
Human interferance and this is the thin edge of the wedge of what damage people do in the name of money and vanity someone told me if you want to know the damage that is being done ask the people who are in contact with the environment for days,months and seasons as the years go by he has seen more exotic creatures and breeding cycles change in alot of species that scientist may only read in a book or a few months research coallated by other's work.
cruelty to animals is a very global problem and it goes further than just mink. the chinese skin dogs and cats rare birds of paradise are made into tourist gifts and not just tigers but seahorses are dried to make medicines. sharks have they're fins cut off and are thrown back into the sea to drown.
There are many animals living in horrific conditions it is simple don't buy it, don't wear it,don't promote it and if there is a campaign don't let hypicritical supermodels front it.
Celebrities could refuse to wear fur and many do. There are some who say how terrible it is only to strut they're stuff in a jacket and matching hand warmer the following week.
If something is to be done it needs to be a more intelligent campaign, visual and compassionate with an impact. | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/28/2006 8:48:24 PM |
its better to starve to death than have ur skin ripped from ur body while still alive and concious. imagine the pain and agonizing slow death.
Why would someone want to make their job more difficult by not killing the animal they are skinning before they skin it? Post some kind of link to a credible source that says ppl in the fur industry are skinning live animals before making this type of comment. | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/29/2006 3:14:42 PM |
I don't have a problem with Gov'ts issuing Licences to trim specific Overpopulations from the Wild, such as Wolves and some species of Seals, and in the Case of the Latter, no problem harvesting them for their Pelts.
Anywho ... I don't want to get into any Seal Pup Debates here.
Too late :-)
Perfect example of how effective Green Peace can be .... and how totally wrong.
Reality check: Even at the HEIGHT of the fur market, the Newfoundland fishermen made more money selling the meat than they ever did selling the fur.
You think people don't eat seal? Try going down to the waterfront in St John's when the sealing fleet comes in. But make sure you're wearing a helmet & elbow pads, because they'll run you over trying to get in line to be able to buy the meat.
And if you ARE trampled, you can relax ..... you can also buy it canned the rest of the year. | |
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| Activists free 15,000 mink in Spain
Posted: 10/29/2006 5:37:40 PM | This is sad. I for one have a problem with farming animals for both fur and meat. I am not a complete vegetarian, but I do try to steer clear of most of the bigger beasts that we turn into hamburger, steak, or even bacon. (i eat these animals sparingly like 4 times a year or so and I do use leather for shoes... still, I think that if all of us would choose to cut down on meat, it would greatly reduce the number of cattle killed every year) Despite the fact that it makes my stomach turn to think of the poor animals trapped in cages awaiting death, I don't see the point of letting them loose either... As someone pointed out, these "farms" would not exist if it weren't for the demand of these fur coats. I am always shocked and dismayed when I see a woman or man wearing fur... I want to grab them by shoulders and shake them and ask them if they know how many poor animals were slaughtered for this coat they so proudly wear around town....  | |
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