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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/21/2008 2:30:39 PM | In response to ang65, marriages were not "forever" but they did last a life-time because the average life-span was around 40. Women's lib, whatever that was, since there were so many types of movements, did not ruin society. The world and society was already going through changes since the beginning of the industrial revolution. If you want to place blame anywhere, blame it on the rapid advances of science and technology, which has forever changed the way people view the world and themselves. The social movements of the 60s were merely just a reflection of this and not a cause.
A woman's place is not necessarily where ever she chooses it be but what the needs of society are as well. This country and every other modern country could not have been as successful without the contributions of women in the workforce. Whenever I hear anyone complain about women "working" or not staying in their "place," I quickly point out to them that the next time they get sick and have to be admitted to the hospital, they should be very thankful that women stayed in their "place" and continued to work. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/22/2008 4:13:18 PM | | very well put i have to agree 100% this is the best i have heard it said 2 thumbs up way to go girl............. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/22/2008 7:02:13 PM | Yes to Obey. You obey her, She obeys you. It is the ultimate respect. It is the ultimate love.
I am sory to disagree Like but no, she or he is not to be where society puts them. I have worked hard to have a career to have the life I WANT. Society will not dictate that I have to work 60 hours. The 60's social revolution was one of the worst things this country went through. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/23/2008 12:06:57 AM | This is the epitome of feminism misguided thinking and whats wrong with modern society:
In response to ang65, marriages were not "forever" but they did last a life-time because the average life-span was around 40. They were forever and if they lived to 80 or 120 yrs they still would have died married and happy in their ignorance not knowing what a real woman should have been.
Women's lib, whatever that was, since there were so many types of movements, did not ruin society. It absolutely has and "woman lib" wasn't a single event it was and is a constant push to emasculate men and somehow make woman into the best man substitute possible. An attempt to make men and woman totally equal which is impossible and why woman would want to move down off their pedestal to try to be on the same level as a man I will never know.
The world and society was already going through changes since the beginning of the industrial revolution. If you want to place blame anywhere, blame it on the rapid advances of science and technology, which has forever changed the way people view the world and themselves. The social movements of the 60s were merely just a reflection of this and not a cause. More gibber jabber, advances in technology has nothing to do with woman becoming so enlightened.
A woman's place is not necessarily where ever she chooses it be but what the needs of society are as well. It is exactly where she chooses and what she chooses dictates the direction of society and thanks to "woman's lib" society is going to he11 in a hand basket.
This country and every other modern country could not have been as successful without the contributions of women in the workforce. Femi-nazi deeply ingrained thinking that kids raise themselves and think modern technology and industrialism is a real contribution forgetting the only thing that is important, Human development.
Whenever I hear anyone complain about women "working" or not staying in their "place," I quickly point out to them that the next time they get sick and have to be admitted to the hospital, they should be very thankful that women stayed in their "place" and continued to work. This is actually more misguided thinking but it smells of stereotyping. I have more to say but am pretty tired and surprised I said all of this. Did come to this brilliant insights on your own or are you a victim of some liberal lower education institute? | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/23/2008 10:36:08 AM |
More gibber jabber, advances in technology has nothing to do with woman becoming so enlightened.
I'm going to take that as, "the technology did not make them more inclined to be liberated or seek roles that were typically male or cause liberation." You have to admit that, starting with the printing press, technology has been making everyone more enlightened. To exclude women from that is to assert something about them quite rude.
The 50s was a tipping point for women's traditional roles because of technology. Much of their traditional labor disappeared. At one time a woman who stayed at home really contributed half, if not more, just cooking, cleaning, and taking care of children. But by then we had, the dishwasher, the automatic washing machine, vacuum cleaner, and numerous other convenient appliances (and disposable diapers came not too far after). And women were starting to drive. Try washing clothes by hand some day and consider the difference between your day and someone in the 1930s.
To believe this did not only contribute, but was a major part of the impetus for, the rise of feminism, is to have your head in the sand. Everyone wants to feel like they're a valued member of society and the majority of decent people derive that from how much they contribute to it. When you can have all your work done for the day by 10:00 AM you start thinking...
(and it contributed many other ways but this was a simple one to explain)
ok... back to the main topic. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/23/2008 6:21:17 PM | I was told once that I was more of a man than most men by someone who meant it to be degrading to me as a woman. At first I felt hurt because I am all woman and there is nothing about me or in me that resembles a man. Then I started to wonder why a woman is refered to as a man just because she is strong. I had 3 kids when my husband left for another woman and had to not only try not to show fear and weakness, but I had to work and feed my kids and when the sink was clogged or when the car broke down, I had to fix it. a few times I called a repair man and when he knew I was a single woman he charged me twice the going rate. I had a big sign on my forehead saying "stupid woman". I did not want to be strong or "manly" but I had to fight every day to provide for my kids and not be taken advantage of because I am a woman (a blond too). I put myself through college and then put my kids through and baught my home and mowed the grass and laid down the tile in the basement floor...I had to remodel so the house was nice for my kids because the house I could afford was a fixer-upper.
I would have loved to be a happily married woman who was submissive to a husband and father. I would have had dinner on the table when he came home and his children clean and well dressed. I didnt have that luxury. I survived though, and now if I am called a man it's ok with me because the men I have seen are not so strong....but if the word defines one who can stand alone and be strong. Yes, I would say I have become that.
I still say a male is one who has a penis though and I dont.
A male with no job, who sleeps around, beats his wife, and doesnt support his children is still called a man, isn't he? why?
this is not directed towards you or with any hostility so please do not take this personally. I just wanted to give people something to think about, ok? god love ya. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/23/2008 8:26:50 PM | Being the Goddess that I am. I'd be happy just to be honored! Bow to me 
I'll say it again, a love with abandon and LAUGHS is what it's all about. Although today it seems more like love, LAUGHS and abandon. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/24/2008 7:40:39 AM | God took a rib from Adam and gave to Eve well she did not obey Adam when she went into the for bidden forest and ate off that apple tree ....
“For richer or poorer, for better or worse, in sickness and in health... I will love, honor and obey thee all the days of our lives.”
Thus go our wedding vows, our promises made to our spouse, and more so to our God.
But more than obligations to fulfill, they are gifts - because these vows hold the secret to having a happily married life.
“I Promise To Love.”
If you've studied the words of the bible scriptures and read it carefully through you'll find that God asked man to, love , honor , sumit give his life and obey and be faithful to his spouse, how ever us women are required to do the same.
God doesn't require women to let men abuse them in no way shape or form, for it's a sin for woman to allow a man to that to her.
He meant for marriage to be an equal partnership of both equals each other having an equal say and authority in these matters of decisions of marriage and family.
Thus the man is suppose to obey and listen fullfills all his spouses desires and wishes , wants and needs and she does the same for him. "obey your wife" so he put it more in a more hidden way, where a spiritually minded woman could read & understand it & teach it gently & lovingly & patiently to her husband.
Most men will come around to doing it if the wife is loving & grateful for all he does in fulfilling her requests. But God's version of marriage is of two complete equals, The head & the heart are equally important & needed & in control of the body, the family.
I watch a movie on Love , Honor and Obey and parts of it disturbed me then I read the book based on the film and it fully dawned on me , that I did take my vows serious and the words were - Love , Honor & Cherrish but I stiill did obey as that was how I was raised to believe that woman had to love , honor and obey her man. Whats sad is abuse in our world today has gotton worse being beaten does not have a thing to do with loving someone and pledging to obey them till death do you part , that I'll never understand .
Great topic here thanks for sharing it!
Wishing each of your much happiness and success in finding that
one true real love again.  Brenny | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/24/2008 10:00:00 AM | | Until only recently, women were NOT ALLOWED to become ministers. Most people get married by men, now a days..... even still. So, a man giving the vows at a wedding for the woman to OBEY.... well, what does that mean? duhhhhh | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/24/2008 12:43:23 PM | Some people have noted the more calmly and happily dominant
the man is in a relationship, the more sex happens and the better it is. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/24/2008 12:46:10 PM | Its only words.
In reality due to womens mind games it is usually the bloke who ends up obeying ! | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/25/2008 6:55:15 AM |
tinydancer123 wrote: Why can't couples take turns having
the decision follow their way when there is an impasse in
decision making? If you are compatible and use common sense
there should not be many impasses anyway.
Taking turns is impractible because the dominant partner
can hypothetically take away your turn at his sole discretion. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/25/2008 8:01:57 AM | | With marraige being such a gamble these days, every ceremony ( ha! ) should be held in a casino and skip all the promises and vows. Cut it down to a lawyer who basically says, " you in or out ? " Good luck and see you in a couple of years and here's my card. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/25/2008 3:18:15 PM | | Very concise and well put, Like the Wind. We live in a society of serial polygamy as the base. If a divorce rate of over 50% and nearly 80% of marriages, where the man, or the woman cheats and has sex outside of the bond of marriage. The male of the species was designed to impregnate as many women as possible in order to preserve the species from extinction. The woman on the other hand has the same urge as she can keep the sperm of up to three individuals viable, for up to a week, insure impregnation during ovulation. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/26/2008 4:47:52 PM |
Nice2phku wrote: ...nearly 80% of marriages, where the man,
or the woman cheats and has sex outside of the bond of marriage.
Research I've studied suggests about 80% of married people
engage in at least one extramarital affair in some marriage.
Since some of the affairs are conducted with the non-affair
partner's knowledge, the incidence of cheating would be
less than 80%.
The male of the species was designed to impregnate as many
women as possible in order to preserve the species from extinction.
That's only true for less desirable males. Across mammalian species,
males who have many choices usually reject all but the most attractive females. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/26/2008 5:06:01 PM | DavidLewis - you said it and that's the problem.
"Taking turns is impractible because the dominant partner
can hypothetically take away your turn"
not if I'm not beholden to him he can't
Nobody is going to get a chance to take away my turn I assure you. My turn is my right not his. I wouldn't spend a minute with a man that thinks like that and I can spot them a mile off. There are good guys though that know how to share. They shine through. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/26/2008 7:06:54 PM |
The male of the species was designed to impregnate as many
women as possible in order to preserve the species from extinction.
That was before the invention of the child support payment. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/27/2008 9:33:42 PM |
tinydancer123 wrote: Nobody is going to get a chance
to take away my turn, I assure you. My turn is my right
not his. I wouldn't spend a minute with a man that thinks
like that, and I can spot them a mile off. There are good
guys though that know how to share. They shine through.
If you want a man who will let you call the shots and
dictate the terms of the relationship, you shouldn't
have trouble finding plenty of them. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/27/2008 11:54:47 PM |
The male of the species was designed to impregnate as many
women as possible in order to preserve the species from extinction.
David Lewis.......
That's only true for less desirable males. Across mammalian species,
males who have many choices usually reject all but the most attractive females.
 Very smart man, I am not sure why some delightful lady has not swept you off your feet yet.
Before the inception of "child support" lower quality males ran around impregnating as many females as they could. This placed a great burden on the state and country to support those children.........when the mothers of these children had no other means of financial support and claimed for social assistance or welfare. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/28/2008 12:55:28 AM |
lower quality males ran around impregnating as many females as they could. Last time I took part in any female impregnating I needed the cooperation on the impregnee besides shooting blanks I try to keep my impregnating tool wrapped. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/28/2008 12:38:53 PM | | they dont need to honor the person but respect them and as far as the Obey thing, the person has no right to control the other person and both should be free to do what they want (legal and not cheating). | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:43:43 PM | In response to fixitfred.. The only one that is misguided is you. There is nothing that you wrote that has any validity or originality in it. It is you, not me that is indoctrinated in ideology. It is you that does not understand history and the forces that shape it or the world that you live in as well. Atleast when I form an opinion or view, I base it on facts and by a process called "critical thinking." Do you even know what that is? What does it matter where I went to school, a fact does not change based on what school someone attends.
I would also like to clarify something: I never said that society "dictates" the choices that we make, but people are influenced to a degree by society in the choices that we make and vice-versa. People's choices also influence the direction that society goes. Instead of making disparaging remarks to me, perhaps you should open a book (or two) sometime and actually read it. Perhaps someday then you can learn to think for yourself.
You share many views with those of the taliban. | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:57:19 PM | It should be moderized:
"To love, honor, and seek arbitration or compromise and to keep separate banking and credit card accounts." | |
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| To love, honor, and... OBEY?!?
Posted: 4/28/2008 2:57:20 PM | quote]Before the inception of "child support" lower quality males ran around impregnating as many females as they could.
Yea, right... 60% of the "beat dead dads" in LA County make less than $10,000 per year, while less than 2% make more than $50,000. So there's no "before" about it. You still can't squeeze blood out of a stone.
So if anything the current system gives those lower quality males carte blanche to run around impregnating as many females as they can because they risk nothing compared to those of higher quality (at least as judged by income). The disincentives are all aimed at the those who women would do much better by themselves and their children to associate with. But we wouldn't want to do anything sensible which might put Springer and Maury out of business.
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