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Posted: 10/17/2006 11:18:14 PM | vientapperiam, hits the nail on the head here.....
There are alot of people that think they understand what it is like to
be in the middle of a violent situtation, but never have put themselves there, inorder
to speak about it with any REAL knowledge...
Our society is full of people with opinions on stuff they have no experience with,
and should they even see something wrong, consider it none of their business, and
keep on walking/driving without even a call to 911....
Tazzers are a good additional weapon to effectively end a stand-off, or violent situation, it's that simple.
If you don't think so, maybe the next time you SEE someone being assaulted/abused, or otherwise in need of help....stick your nose in there, ask what is going on, if some is in need of help, and you may come to understand that feeling that the people who do this for a living feel on a daily basis..... | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 11:32:02 PM | "There are alot of people that think they understand what it is like to
be in the middle of a violent situtation, but never have put themselves there, inorder
to speak about it with any REAL knowledge..."
like you perhaps?
"If you don't think so, maybe the next time you SEE someone being assaulted/abused, or otherwise in need of help....stick your nose in there, ask what is going on"
I have.. more than once.. without using weapons...
"you may come to understand that feeling that the people who do this for a living feel on a daily basis....."
Unless you ARE a police officer then this statement is invalid... | |
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Posted: 10/17/2006 11:42:27 PM | There is a lot of information out there which indicates that pepper spray has caused fatalities often enough as well. If you suggest that pepperspray is a better alternative you should probably look at the adverse affects of it. Something as simple as an allergy could kill one criminal that a taser probably wouldn't. But hey, they could just enforce the use of billy clubs... /sigh
The fact is, there is a risk with any form of enforcement... a gun/ taser/ pepper spray... they're all weapons meant to immobilize a criminal. The drug addict who dies because the taser exacerbated the already extreme stress that was voluntarily placed on the central nervous system was a threat to the officer, the public and to himself. At the risk of sounding very callous, if he didn't kill himself within a year, he would probably have ended up killing someone else due to negligence while high.
Use of a taser is the most responsible means at the moment. There will be more innovations, inventions which will all have their risk. At least the officer didn't shoot the guy or beat him down... discretion was used and the officer is probably living with the guilt... | |
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Posted: 10/18/2006 6:56:57 AM |
third... crack has nothing to do with adrenaline. and to say it took 4 taser 'shots' and four 'well built cops'? i dunno... if the first 'shot' didnt work then why keep doing it? they have other options...
fourth... if four 'well built cops' could not restrain one crack head then they seriously need some training.
The guy who attacked me wasn't on crack, sober actually. But the 'fight or flight' reaction to extreme stress affects not only the victim but also the perpetrator. That is where the adrenaline boost comes from, not crack(at least in my case). Considering the guy had a knife at my throat, the cops only options where to shoot the taser or the gun. Since accuracy might have been a problem while we were struggling I am damn thankful they chose the taser. The cops who attended were very well trained and I will be forever grateful to them for saving my life that day. Lets also remember their other choice would have been to should him so they also saved his life. We expect these cops to put themselves in difficult, dangerous and often life risking situations. Lets give them the tools they need so they can get through the day without being harmed themselves or having to live with the fact they had to shoot someone to save someone else.
Sorry if I sound really preachy but this is a very personal issue for me. I was on the other side of the fence until it happened to me and it was my life that was saved. I realize my case is severe but with the crime rate in alberta going up these cops are going to be faced with more and more violent offenders. Tasers keep them, the criminals, and us alive. The deaths by tasers in the news are the exception to the rule not the norm. | |
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| police tasers
Posted: 10/26/2006 2:36:06 PM | I am a police officer, and while I dont carry a taser, I wish i did. They are an effective non lethal tool used to gain compliance from a violent offender. The majority of deaths from tasers come from the TOXIC and LETHAL levels of drugs like Cocaine, Meth and PCP that are in the blood stream of the user, not the taser itself. Keep in mind that the decision to deploy a taser is pretty close to a last choice and we use it AS A LAST DITCH EFFORT to avoid having to kill people. When used properly, tasers are used in situations where all other efforts have been exhausted or when the need to immobilize a person without using lethal force exists.
Pepper spray works as a pain compliance tool in that it overwhelms the body's senses by causing intense pain and discomfort, which more or less takes the fight out of someone. While it may not appear like it, batons are used to strike specific spots on the body which overwhelm the bodies central nervous system and cause loss of control of limbs and pain compliance. When these do not work, A TASER IS THE LAST CHOICE TO USE BEFORE KILLING THEM. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 2:46:13 PM | Yes Jay! Thats what im talking about
"THIS IS THE POLICE FREEZE" if you don't think its fair to tazer these idiot's, when they run, they could go back to shooting them, stupid bleeding heart's! oh no a couple% of the people that get tazered die, because there all cracked out! where 95% of the people that get shot die, so you tell me how that's not a good thing, when tazers have proven there valour in stopping and dropping criminal's! I guess we should not police anyone and let anarchy rein because some crackhead could die from a tazer blast, he could die from a overdose too, is that the polices fault?
Or just think, Honestly, if you don't break the law! or run when a cop ask's you to freeze, whats the big deal?
I mean who really gives a flying crap about photo radar? If everyone drove the speed limit it wouldn't be a issue (OH ROD THATS JUST STUPID!)
Or like my job "I Have an idea to get rid of this extra stock", oh yeah? hows that? "SELL IT TO OUR CUSTOMER'S" Hmm i don't know, would that really work! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 5:35:30 PM | i have a friend who is a retired EPS officer. when tasers came out, they had to take a course on how to use them and what happens when you do. as part of the course, each officer that wanted a taser had to be tasered. to which one older officer stood up and commented, "i dont have to be shot with my gun now to do I?"
another friend was in a fight at the chuck wagon races and was tasered 6 times after inadvertantly swinging at a cop. he is older, out of shape, and it barely bothered him. i'm probably pretty sure that the person's size and body type affects the amount that the shock effects someone. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 6:30:04 PM | Tasers , although somewhat painful..Like a Dr Ho on steriods...it's primary function is to interupt the signals form your brain to your musles,making it difficult to move, stand ,throw a punch etc...
see the link I posted earlier to their website, it's very informative,,,,and kinda entertaining,,like Cops | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 6:37:40 PM | yeah it is!
And you know, its just like everything, you only hear about the guy that died! Not the 100,000 that would have got shot, but got hit with a taser and had no real ill effect's, go figure!
They make all the enforcement people in order to carry them get hit first, if some of those cop's died from it, i don't think they'd be carrying them! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 7:25:12 PM | | i agree with tasers, as long as they are used in the proper situation. But drunk guys at the bar in a fight is not one of them, unless it gets to be life threatnign for the cops (i have heard of a time where it was used and my buddy who was the bouncer even felt that it shouldn't have been) | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 7:25:38 PM | | i agree with tasers, as long as they are used in the proper situation. But drunk guys at the bar in a fight is not one of them, unless it gets to be life threatnign for the cops (i have heard of a time where it was used and my buddy who was the bouncer even felt that it shouldn't have been) | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:08:37 PM | | care to elaborate there TUB? | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:27:35 PM | I see from the web page that Tasers are available to the public in the US...
Good for home security and party games! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 9:04:17 PM | TUB----tasering drunk morons at the bar is definitely one place to use them  | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 9:07:40 PM | ok i got bored with reading the arguements about half way through so if someone else already said this consider me agreeing.
How about just don't give the cops a reason to tazer you?
same with photo radar, don't speed not an issue.
If you are doing something that a cop may tell you to stop doing, then stop doing it.
your to whacked out on dope to stop then think of this as aversion therapy and the 99% of the time that you do come to afterwards... STOP DOING THE DOPE!!!!!
on the incrediably odd chance you do die for the tazer then take comfort in you may be a lesson to others. Let's be honest if you were strung out on crack you weren't contributing to the world anyway, perhaps you'll make a better lesson then you did a person.
and now i'll get off my soap box..... | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 9:20:19 PM | | Please do get off your soap box. ya ok... drone... why must photo radar be brought into this? it has nothing to do with the topic. next you will blame smokers for all the evil in the world... | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 9:24:11 PM | i was using the photo radar as another example
and smokers are good for the world, we help the economy :) | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 9:25:13 PM | | he got tasered when he was fighting another guy, not eh cops, fist on fist..... no weapon | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 9:28:58 PM | | Thats not cool ^^ But no matter what method of enforcement you have, theres always going to be "incident's" where someone takes it too far, its sad, and unfortanate, uncalled for, or call it what you want! But its really nothing new in the scheme of thing's! | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 10:29:32 PM |
I am a police officer, and while I dont carry a taser, I wish i did.
Why don't you carry a taser??? Just wonderin' | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 10:33:34 PM | | TUB- so whats wrong with tasering them to break up the fight? | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:10:59 PM | if the cops were using tasers - they were not meaning to kill him - he was the one already hopped up on drugs - that would have probly killed him anyway. Its hard for cops now - they have to deal with all sorts of things - even getting spit on and having aids and hep tests for the rest of their lives. How are they supposed to know if a guy is close to oding on drugs or has a gun, etc?
They have to have the tools to police (even though in canada their hands are getting tied by the laws that seem to be in favour of the criminals - not the victims), but when something fails even once - its 'okay - its the police's fault - lets get those tasers out of their dangerous and inept hands'.
Yes - there are dirty cops out there - but most of the ones I know are doing it because they do want to help clean up the community and keep it safe - not to go out and act like they are god.
'the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one' -
meaning if it fails a few times - its sad for that person's families, but if it is helping out in the long run - I think they should continue using them until another solution can be thought of. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:27:32 PM | Oh We have a Live one!!!
Ok.. your all about to learn a little about Bitter Beef...
1- I have a cousin who is a cop.. And a Good one.(they exist..)
2- my uncle is an Rcmp. highly decorated on the coast...
3- I CANT be a cop.
You have some Freak hooked on poison...Trying to hurt me? lol!
lol I proibably wouldnt have tazzered him.. id have postol whipped him till some one Tazzered ME.
Only In Canada.. Do the Criminals have more Rights than Good Citisens.. Or the Officers We pay to Uphold the Laws We are all supposed to live by.
I Had the Honour, Nae.. Privilage of Tossing out Everything a Crack Dealer owned...
At first i almost felt bad... It was someones life...
Then i found out He had Little(underage) Girls hooking for him.. And he sells poison to children...
I say i had a little room in that dumpster after that...
Bad Guys Get Killed by the Good guys = Happy ending.
if it was an inoccent accedent.. that is tragic.. but Weigh the good against the Bad..? Give me a ****n Break... Im Happy as hell knowing im protected..
If someone you loved.. was threatned.. and Cops took him down(or her) with leathal force.. and saved who i loved?
I say they all get medals.. Not Criticism.. Its all hollywood until a crackhead cuts up your sister for the 25$ in her wallet.. Then that Tazer should have been a revolver..
But Just my 2 cents...
B. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:33:46 PM | definatley the laws seem to side with these crackheads that peddle little girls to get their drugs, than the little girls and other victims of their crimes...
I feel sorry for the police risking their lives sometimes arresting these thugs - just go have them put back on the streets with slaps on the wrists.
I could never be a cop - I have a hot irish temper - and I would be suspended the first time I caught one of these sickos.
Its bad when they have to deal with these criminals - but then the lackluster laws in the country with seedy lawyers always looking to accuse the cops of wrong to get their evil back on the streets. | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:36:01 PM | ^ beef dude, u have a very peculiar way of writing...but i get the idea | |
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