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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:41:03 PM | I couldnt be a good cop, Virgo value courage and heroism, knowing myself i would be trigger happy.
I love anything and everything that goes BOOM!
Those mythbusters guys are good but i think they need to be un-sissy-fied.
Put more damn gas in the chamber and lit it up! More black powder! sheesh what's that a firecracker or what?!?!?!? | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:47:29 PM | ^ now you, you are completely incomprehensible | |
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:55:37 PM | You ever watched Mythbusters?
One time they busted the myth of a cig dropping in a toilet full of gas to blow it up.
Well they poor gas in one and lit it....it tooks like tons of fuel to work and even then all they had was a big ball of flame. Not a toilet blowing up.
Then they put black powder and that didnt do it. They need to put more of the good burning and explosing stuff ! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 8:27:46 AM | what is wrong with tasering someone to break up a fight? The fact that 12 people have been KILLED by them! if there is any kind of significant portion of people getting killed by a method, it should only be used in extremely serious situations, not a bar fight (unless weapons are being used, or if someone is getting the sh*it kicked out of them). But to use something that is known to be potentially fatal in a boys brawl is using to much force (again depends on teh situation, but in the case i mentioned above, it was basiclly used to get them apart, it was a fair fight).
just think that if one of your buddies was at the bar and got stupid and got into a one on one fight, and it was equal and no one was kicking anyones butt, adn the police used a taser to break them up, and your buddy died......to much force, they could pull them apart, along with the bouncers, the tasers were used out of shear lazyness. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 8:34:47 AM | What about with all the STD's today!
If they grab the guy, and he has aids, and he punches the cop, breaking the cops nose, with a ripped up knuckle, guess what now the cop is infected.
This is a real issue for them when they deal with druggies and the homeless!
Again im not condoning using a taser when you don't have too, or when theres other method's, but your not allowed to fight, people know better. Especially in a public place, its against the law. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 8:40:55 AM | | hmm never did think abotu teh HIV factor.....but they have broken up fights for years and taken the same risks....risks come with the job. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 8:47:13 AM | Oh for sure, and im not disagree with you at all!
I just seen a thing on the news a month or 2 ago about this, and how when they break up fights people are bleeding and things like this, maybe there starting to keen into it more, im not sure, it was just a really interesting story, and really dealt more with the homeless and people of the lesser, and in that situation, its a huge concern/problem, so its not really the same, but i mean, it could be a honest concern!
Again, im definately agree with you, cops shouldn't be taser happy  | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 2:27:26 PM | As far as I know (I've had a brief seminar on them with the RCMP), tasers do not kill people, their own bad decisions (crack use, etc) kill them. I've always wanted a taser..... Definitely a lesser use of force than the handgun. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 4:34:10 PM | Indeed, its like i was thinking,
to get one as a police officer, you have to be shot with it!
If the cops where dying, from getting hit in order to obtain one, i don't think they'd be giving them out! | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 6:50:41 PM | TUB...pandorasbox answers your question perfectly in regards to your statement that 12 people have been killed by tasers
ur friends may just be being stupid and having a clean one on one fight...but how is any police officer supposed to know that...its not out of lazyness that they would tazer them to get them apart...its a safety issue...and as long as ur friends arent on crack, then they should be perfectly fine
correct me if im wrong, but no one has yet died from one of these things who WASNT high on drugs...and if u have a bad heart or something like that, well dont resist arrest if you're gonna go break the law | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 9:16:53 PM | | I have to add in to this one. Has anyone ever tried to take down anyone that is on meth, crack or another mind inducing, nerve altering drug? I bet not. I have. They have superhuman strength and will go to as far of lengths to get what they want. I've seen this problem way too many times. How about this. It took 8 people(3 of which were cops) to hold down a person on meth. Would you like to go hand to hand woith someone who has superhuman strength and has no available pain receptors? Cops need those. Otherwise, they'd have to shoot a lot more people. I'm all in for the tasers. I took a police course to wear handcuffs and use pressure points. they say there would only be one other way to put them down that I learned in the course, and it all depends on if they shrug you off or not. I like seeing the use of tasers instead of revolvers. Hopefully I educated a few people on the real life and what I sometimes have to deal with. It's hard to think about, but it's what happens and unfortunately, strange things can happen. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 10:00:04 PM | I have been involved in taking down people who are whacked out on meth/crack/coke/etc. They don't reason the way a rational human being does, because guess what... they're NOT rational anymore!! You can't reason with a crack addict, just like you can't reason with a person who's strung out on meth.
I say taser them if you need to... just as anyone who poses a threat to the police or general public (& can't be reasoned with) needs to be. Would you rather the police shoot them, or just stand there talking while the bad guy beats up the cop? Or I know... the police could just beat people senseless with batons! That's WAAAAAAAY less harmful than getting tasered.... isn't it? (sheesh!)
Paramedics can chemically restrain people once they've been subdued by the police, but the police have to be able to detain them first. | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 10:33:42 PM | i used to work at a place where poeple with autism lived. and one night one of the guys got very aggitated and attacked me. and this guy is tiny. like maybe 110 pounds. and it took 4 people to get him off me and then an additional 2 people to get him into the restraint room. it is unimaginable how strong someone can get when they have an unnatural need to do something.
same with little kids. if a kid is drowning, they can easily take down an adult just because they have so much adrenaline pulsing through there bodies | |
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Posted: 11/8/2006 4:44:53 AM | The Armed Response Team are the only ones at the moment trained to use the TASER and it's their least leathal weapon. What happened if the suspect had killed someone because the officer was too worried about the consequences of using the TASER... the officer would have been dragged through Police Complaints. There's no winning on this. The TASER has been used more then the public think but when a death happens we get dragged through the press. CAPTOR (pepper spray) could have been used as an option bar the fact you've gotta be in clsoe promity and yet again the Press release information that will only SELL papers.
Another example is I got run over during an incident as the males made off in vehicle and then one stupidly got killed 20 mins later. The family then stated in press that if the police hadn't been invovled he's still be alive... ignoring the fact that I nearly got killed because of him.
I'll never understand that and that's what makes me angry. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 1:54:58 PM | Who, but a group of policemen, would use a Taser 3 times to get a pocket knife away from a delirious 82 year-old man in a hospital bed suffering from hypoxia? Even then, probably most policemen would see that as assault with a deadly weapon.
The CBC report said:
"I was laying on the bed by then and the corporal came in, or the sergeant, I forget which it was, and said to the guys, 'OK, get him because we got more important work to do on the street tonight,'" (Frank) Lasser said.
It should be remembered that animals as large as adult cattle have been killed with Taser shocks.
Recently there have been scientific experiments where hogs (240 to 280 pounds) were killed by Taser shocks. (To prevent unnecessary suffering, the hogs were anesthetized before the experiments.)
If it is a choice between a Taser and a Glock it should be a Taser.
Probably the rule should be "Tasers can only be used in situations where lethal force is justified."
Tasers are being used in situations where using a Glock would be murder.
And many/most/all police have procedures in place that allow/require using Tasers in situations where permitting the use of a Glock would be conspiracy to commit murder and following those procedures would be premeditated murder.
Better questions are:
1. Should it be a Taser or a translator?
2. Should it be a Taser or should the 4 Mounties who showed up use physical force and handcuffs to restrain the 1 guy delirious from low blood sugar?
3. Should it be a Taser or an explanation of why you want the subject to do something?
4. Should it be a Taser or pepper spray?
Tasers should not be used as:
1. Mobility devices to help the handicapped, elderly, people with temporary medical conditions, or drunken people moved faster.
2. As replacements for glucose to aid diabetics suffering insulin shock.
3. Replacements for paramedics to aid heart attack victims.
4. Replacements for judges who won't send the victim to jail for "dissing me and the rest of my gang".
5. Extra-judicial punishment.
6. Extra-judicial torture.
7. Party toys to impress your girlfriend.
8. A means to get back to the donut shop faster.
I mean, this sort of behaviour, and officers defending this sort of behaviour ... is it any wonder police forces are having trouble recruiting young grade 12 graduates for jobs that pay $60,000 to $75,000 per year plus overtime.
There is a massive rift between police morality, their practice of "omerta" (the mafia law of silence), and the morality most of the general public adheres to. (I say "most of the general public" because, to start with, 1 to 2% of the population are psychopaths, have no emotions, and have no ability to sympathize or empathize with others. So there are members of the general public who would sympathize with extremely widespread use of Tasers.)
I have a brother-in-law who left policing because he couldn't stand the group morality. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 3:16:36 PM | Different police forces have different morality. I grew up in a small town with RCMP officers, my best friends dad was the C/O. None of those officers would have used force unless it was called for.
I also applied for the RCMP and failed the Psych evaluation. I had vigilante tendancies or what would be considered a heightened sense of morality. When I got the results I was like yeah I probably would beat up some guy who hit his wife or shoot someone who did something to a kid. I don't think it makes me a bad person, but probably not a great cop.
Now tasering some old man is wrong, but Tasers can and do save lives when used properly. Stronger regulations for their use is a good idea, but banning them, no way. It is not an easy or a safe job for them to do and they have just as much right to go safely home to their familes after work as the rest of us do. | |
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Posted: 6/25/2008 4:50:34 PM |
I grew up in a small town with RCMP officers Ditto
None of those officers would have used force unless it was called for. Again ditto (at least not unreasonably excessive)
but Tasers can and do save lives when used properly. That's where the problem exists. There was a thread a little while back titled "apparently it's none of our business" related to this problem. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 4:09:52 AM |
I could never be a cop - I have a hot irish temper - and I would be suspended the first time I caught one of these sickos.
That's the problem. They DON'T discipline "their own" when they step over the line. Not everyone is suitable for all jobs. It is good that you're aware that you don't have the temperament to represent society in a system that separates arrest from judgement and punishment.
Too often when a cop steps over the line, the reflex is to cover-up rather than to deal with the situation. When the guy died of the taser shot in the Vancouver airport, the big story shouldn't have been the taser misuse. The big story should have been the cover-up. When the cops asked the guy to borrow his camera to make a copy of his footage, they tried to KEEP the damned camera and had to lose a lawsuit before that footage was returned to the guy who had taken it. There are too many cases where the reflex is to cover-up rather than expose issues. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 7:58:09 AM | Unfortunately the last people who should be allowed to use tazers are the only people allowed to use them.
Here's a couple realities that some people may not be aware of.
A high percentage of police "control freaks".
The level of spousal abuse is higher in the police force than in the general population.
Do you want this type of person coming into a situation and dealing with it??
The guy in the Vancouver airport was agitated. He hadn't had anything to eat or drink for hours and no thought was given to the fact that this may have led to his erratic behavior. There appeared to be no attempt to communicate with him in his language.
Easiest solution, let's just stun him and go back to Timmys.
I've never been in trouble with the law. I've never done drugs. The only thing I can be guilty of is driving fast sometimes. (I've had one speeding ticket in the last 8 years). However routinely I seem to be the target the police. I've come up behind a cop car in the other lane doing very close to the speed limit. The cop slows down, pulls in behind me and runs my plate. It's obvious, I've had my plate run many times. It's confirmed when I've bought a new vehicle and not had a chance to transfer the registration. that's when they pull me over.
By the way, I wonder if me not being "white" has anything to do with it.
I've had them follow me while doing the speed limit and give me a bogus ticket.
I have a friend who had to move because the police would not respond to drug deals going on around her condo.
They are so scared of the real criminals they have to turn law abiding citizens into criminals.
And if they're actually caught doing wrong, they get suspended with pay!!!!!!
This is your Calgary Police Dept.
Who is going to protect us from the police?
As someone I know so aptly said "The police are the terrorist arm of the government"
The police have lost my support as a citizen.
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Posted: 6/26/2008 10:15:00 AM | I still fully support the RCMP. Their screening process is more strict and they tend to be more civic minded. They are usually brought into smaller communities and they try to be part of that community. I still regret that I can't be one.
City police tend to deal with horrible people on a daily basis and I am sure that changes their outlook on the general public. As much as I feel for some of them, I don't think I would keep my sympathy for homeless people and the drug addicted if I had to deal with them on a daily basis. Spousal abuse, gang violence, obnoxious people. I think having to deal with that hardens city police officers. People under stress like that tend to stick together and that is how the policy of silence starts.
I have had my share of discrimination as well, being confused for a native is not a good thing. When I was in Brooks there was a fight a one of the bars I was in, I wasn't even involved and they took the time to single me out to talk to, I'm glad I was sober, they would have probably thrown me in the tank. Once I had met a few of the officers there, I didn't have any problems though. That is one of the nice things about small towns. Once they know you aren't a trouble maker, they leave you be. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 10:26:41 AM | | Stop calling it a taser and call it a "Darwinism Enforcement Device". I like that sounds of it better. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 10:39:50 AM |
i was using the photo radar as another example
and smokers are good for the world, we help the economy :)
Yes, because the funds used to keep your cancer riddled, quasi-corpse alive in the hospital when your succumb to it couldn't be used for other things. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 12:03:18 PM |
I have had my share of discrimination as well, being confused for a native is not a good thing. When I was in Brooks there was a fight a one of the bars I was in, I wasn't even involved and they took the time to single me out to talk to, I'm glad I was sober, they would have probably thrown me in the tank. Once I had met a few of the officers there, I didn't have any problems though. That is one of the nice things about small towns. Once they know you aren't a trouble maker, they leave you be.
Interesting. This is like "Being a minority you are a criminal until we find out more about you"
This is our police force by your own experience. Home based terrorism at its finest. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 12:33:40 PM | | It is even funnier when you aren't a minority, but they treat you like one. Not everyone with long hair and brown eyes are native. | |
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Posted: 6/26/2008 5:11:06 PM |
and smokers are good for the world, we help the economy :) Yes, because the funds ... couldn't be used for other things.
He's right, you know. Smokers live a useful life then fall over dead fairly quickly. It's the rest of us who will live out an extended retirement, drawing OAP the whole time.
But that's nothing to do with the police. | |
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