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Posted: 10/29/2008 4:57:32 PM | Looks like this issue rises again, right here in Edmonton today!!
By media reports, a man was walking down the street, sideways, waving his arms and acting "erratic" ... He stops at a pawn shop, and starts demolishing the place. Police arrive, cannot control him, taser him twice (which didn't stop him), then they take him down by physical force, cuff him, and he goes unconscience.
He was pronounced dead when he arrived at the hospital.
All I know, is whoever was manning the pawn shop at the time, must have been absolutely terrified! I admire our Police Force for doing what they had to in order to stop this man. Even if he had an illness that played fault in his erratic behaviour, he still needed to be stopped.
It's sad when they die, but at the same time, it's even more sad if they hadn't stopped him and things escalated.
JMO.
OE: It's not deterimined yet by the medical examiner what the cause of death is ... but the talk of using tasers has become the main topic of discussion in this incident. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 1:52:59 AM | | Im innocent until the rc's give me a reason to sue their sorry asses | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 5:20:49 AM | | If a person was to look back a decade or so (pre-taser age), most of these characters were stopped the old fashioned way and went to nurse their bumps and bruises in a cell for a while. Better than doing up the zipper on their body-bag for a minor wrongdoing EVEN ONCE in my opinion. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 8:05:37 AM | It's sad when they die, but at the same time, it's even more sad if they hadn't stopped him and things escalated.
So acting like a nut should result in death? All tasers have done is expedite the justice system and re-introduce something that's been outlawed for years - the death penalty.
No one deserves to the die for having a drug or mental health issue. I agree with grey; beat them if necessary but for God's sake don't use tasers. They aren't safe. It's been demonstrated time and again, usually on the most unfortunate members of society. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 8:57:29 AM | | So i assume if your loved one is a police officer and they come upon a deranged person who has no emotions and because of drugs or something has super human strength you would have them go in and have hand to hand combat ?? i think not they should be tasered , toomany pple are making a mockery of the law because the police are the ones handcuffed i would want my loved one to stand back in safety and taser them, thats my opinion. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 9:14:10 AM | | Agree with^^^ for the same reason. I had a cop cousin and am glad he is enjoyjng retirement. However I feel that they need to be used with care and we only hear the sensational bits about their use. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 9:35:56 AM | You do know the saying about the word assume, don't you?
Tasers make it easy for police. I'm not saying they have an easy job but it behooves the police to stretch a little and find alternative ways of dealing with a situation if lethal force isn't necessary. To turn to a taser in the hopes of shortening the situation even though there is a possibility that the person getting shocked will die isn't the best management of the problem.
Like I said these are usually some of the most vulnerable people in our society and they are being further victimized with the use of tasers. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 9:49:34 AM | Seems to me, the real victims in this whole incident, were the store keepers who were threatened and forced to watch a madman demonstrate his capabilities of how he could follow through on those threats.
If said person is in fact, one "of the most vulnerable people in our society", it is his responsibility to seek help in order to overcome his vulnerability. His state of mind, or possible drug use, is no excuse for his behaviour. It was his choice in how he maintained his life, and those choices made way for upstanding citizens to become VULNERABLE, and helpless.
I would much rather see our officers as far from harm's way as possible when dealing with someone who is oblivious and completely out of control. Good God knows what can happen if a Police Officer attempts to physically subdue someone. The tables could easily turn on them. I'd rather not hear news of an officer being killed or harmed because he attempted to prevent a criminal from doing more harm. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 10:16:57 AM | | so because they are vulnerable we have to handle them with kid gloves as they are terrorizing the public????? Not they have to be dealt with fast and if the taser is the weapon then so be it , i believe a taser is better than shooting them but if you want to outlaw tasers because a few had bad reactions to them then let them use their guns and see how many bad reactions happen. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 12:51:55 PM |
so because they are vulnerable we have to handle them with kid gloves as they are terrorizing the public????? Not they have to be dealt with fast and if the taser is the weapon then so be it , i believe a taser is better than shooting them but if you want to outlaw tasers because a few had bad reactions to them then let them use their guns and see how many bad reactions happen.
This is a black/white fallacy.
Tasers have never been the "great" thing they have been made out to be. They have always been a safety risk. The only thing is that reports of death and injury have not been as widely circulated or disseminated because their use has not been as frequent because until recently not as many police services have been using them because of decreasing unit price and greater availability over the years.
Obviously they have saved a great many lives as well - this should not stop us from finding and implementing a better non-lethal solution.
In the meantime, follow the money. If the people who make Tasers are heavily promoting their use to police services, see if someone somewhere is getting massive kickbacks or payola to use the device over other non-lethal devices that are available - and there are lots available. Money needs to be put into them to study them, reduce the unit price, make them safe, effective and usable.
There's your solution. Now will anyone do it? Howabout our Mr. Law and Order Steven Harper? He just popped Peter Van Loan to Public Safety Minister...there we go. New order of business for day one. Royal Commission. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 3:42:08 PM |
so because they are vulnerable we have to handle them with kid gloves as they are terrorizing the public
Who ever said that? Beat the crap outta them if that's what it takes; investigate alternative methods and devices; find a cage and drop it on them. Whatever it takes that doesn't kill people.
Out of control people certainly pre-date tasers. What did they do then? That wasn't satisfactory so go back and re investigate alternatives.
Please don't paraphrase what I've said in such idiotic terms. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 4:15:52 PM |
Beat the crap outta them if that's what it takes;
People die by the fist as well. What if the suspect is armed? Would we expect a Police Officer to approach him for a take down?
I agree that other methods can and should be investigated, but in the meantime, it's what we have, and for the most part, it works.
How many officers have stood trial for assault after taking down a suspect? Even if they are relieved of charges, it's still their time in court, taking them off the streets and away from protecting the public. That method is of the past for a reason, and we shouldn't sacrifice our Police Officers in such a way.
IMO. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2008 4:33:29 PM | Hand to hand combat is not a safe option for police. Being injured in a fight is not part of the job description. Cops aren't all 6'4" and 250 pounds anymore, they are not boxers or wrestlers, they are police and it is more important to society as a whole that they are safe. If a few people committing crimes die as a result of resisting arrest and those same officers are safe to go back to work and protect us again. We as a society win. Crime involves risk and consequences and if they resist arrest, that is the risk they as an offender face.
No kid gloves, tasers are the less lethal way. If we take those away, more people will be shot. Pure and simple. Taser use has its risks and so do guns. Guns are considered more lethal.
In this case the guy didn't even drop after the first taser. If I had been an officer on the scene and the dude doesn't drop from a taser, he gets shot. No way would I risk not going home to my family by letting him have a chance to hurt me or the officers I work with. It is not something we should expect of our officers. Just like Firefighters and EMT/EMR's their own safety is paramount. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2008 1:48:24 AM | | I say we don't taser people enough... | |
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Posted: 11/1/2008 10:11:49 AM |
I say we don't taser people enough...
Good you can volunteer to be guinea pig for safety trials | |
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Posted: 11/1/2008 10:41:03 AM | | I think there are enough volunteers for taser use , when u break the law and can't be controlled then u should be subdued as fast as possible and as safely as possible for the pple that are subdueing you ,you put your self in that position not the innocent pple around you and if the taser is what is required so be it until something better comes along, if any of my loved ones were ever hurt and the police were there and didn't use the taser or a gun to stop him then i would want to know why as would you. | |
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Posted: 11/1/2008 12:26:26 PM | | I will not be volunteering. I am not saying everyone should be tassered just the ones out of control as the example of last wednesday/thursday situation and who is left to clean up the mess that they guy who was high created? Thats right not him or his faimly ..But the store owner.. That is just one more guy of the tax payers book to "help clean up" his bad choices. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2008 12:17:47 AM | hi there just wondering???
WHY are we going to all the effort to save a criminals life anyway??
after all as tax payers we then have to support them
im all for tazerring them and if they dont die then perhaps someone could help them along with either a 9mm to the back of the head or maybe even a city bus??
just a thought??
OFF course that might act like some kind of deterent to the nice criminal he or she might think twice about what they are about to do if they know the chances of being killed just went up say 100-200%
k thats it the police get my vote put the taser back in your holster guys and gals, get the real stuff out and just start wasting them.
hope everyones having a nice day ?? | |
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Posted: 11/2/2008 8:00:11 AM | “A man was hospitalized in "very serious condition" after being hit with a Taser, following a break-in at a southeast home Saturday night.” ... from the Calgary Herald Sunday November 2, 2008.
How many incidences is this now? Tasers are a TOOL that are designed and intended to subdue not seriously injure or kill. Clearly this TOOL is not functioning as it was designed and intended to function. Either fix it or get rid of it. This is not rocket science. | |
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Posted: 11/2/2008 8:12:06 AM | | geee if he hadn't broke into the home he wouldn't have been taserd lucky it wasn't my home cause i have the alternative and its not a taser so he was lucky , why should the criminals be protected this is getting old just taser them or whatever then maybe they will stop preying on innocent pple | |
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Posted: 11/2/2008 10:25:17 AM | | The police should just start shooting people again. That would stop all the people complaining about tasers. They aren't trained to shoot people in the leg, torso shots are expected. When an officer is using a gun they are required to aim where a hit is more certain. Stray bullets endanger the public. If this guy hadn't been breaking into homes, he wouldn't have been tasered. We need to stop worrying so much about the rights of criminals. What they do takes away the rights of their victims and by that fact alone, criminals deserve what happens to them. | |
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| police tasers
Posted: 11/5/2008 4:38:19 PM | the old fellow in the airport was WAY out of line.
with the drug problem, police are using this tazer to avoid physical contact with certian folks for a variety of reasons, and so they should.
i sure wouldn't want to do the job our police do, they have some rite to protect themselves imho. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2008 4:55:22 PM | Breaking into someone's home put the people who live there, and their neighbors in "serious condition".
Hope he pulls through so they can drag him through the courts (on our dollar) and maybe he can turn around and sue the police department for injuries sustained.
/end sarcasm.
Think about it.
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