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Posted: 4/22/2009 8:56:03 AM | Just about everyone here has missed the basic point. Without a doubt, there are many cops, maybe as many as half of them, who shouldn't be cops at all. They do not have the temperament and attitude for the job, and never will.
Without a doubt, if enough people come in contact with the police, there will be fatalities, and abuse of authority.
Without a doubt, as many of these incidents as possible will be covered up, as no one wants to admit liability.
The main point is not that a man was killed in Vancouver, the main point is that THE COPS LIED ABOUT HOW IT HAPPENED. And kept on lying, even after the video of the incident was made public. This goes to credibility. The police, whose word is beyond question in court, have been publicly proven to be liars and perjurers. This of course calls into question every bit of testimony by these officers, in every case they've been involved with throughout their careers, and by extension, the credibility of every police officer in Canada. The RCMP and the Crown have totally dropped the ball here. In order to protect four of their own from well-deserved murder charges, or manslaughter at the very least, they've destroyed the credibility of every member of the force. How do you know who you can believe? The cops? Not if it's in their interest to lie. They've already proven that, and everyone with a TV saw them do it. | |
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Posted: 4/24/2009 6:42:27 PM | bulldog...Not everyone missed the basic point...The thread made pertaining to this was deleted, and some posters were called cophaters.. ..Question still remains:
WORLD: Who should police the police?
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Investigating+conduct+debate+police+meeting/1465347/story.html
there was also new information printed couple of days ago on the tasers, the older tasers are defective but the taser manufacturers do not want them destroyed, they want them sent in for repairs.lol.... slowly slowly, bits and pieces are trickling out
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Posted: 5/7/2009 5:29:05 PM | Alberta man dies after police use Taser during investigation
He said the devices were originally to be used instead of lethal force.
But Mason said some officers are now using them as an alternative to physically subduing someone, or as a way to force people to obey police orders - sometimes with fatal consequences.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090507/national/alta_taser_death | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:19:40 PM | I'm no crimin-a-genious, but wouldn't it be safer to have some sort of rubber bullet gun.....or something along those lines. Obviously these tasers are fatal. If it's killed one, it's one too many.
Of course, 'they' will conduct some internal investigation and coverup so that no one really knows the harm these things do. | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 6:24:02 PM | | another one bites the dust,and the police are probably laughing about it,piss me off,specially the polish guy i beleive it was at the airport,these guys are starting to use them for reasons they are not meant to be used.I guess maybe we better start arming ourselfves lol | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:48:16 PM | Ive often wondered why the police are allowed to use such weapons considered "non-lethal" and private citizens are not allowed the same right.
Why should they be illegal for an ordinary person to have in their possession?
I understand that the police require certain weapons in their arsenal to deal with unruly people but, do we not have the same rights?
I can also see that weapons such as tasers, pepper spray and batons have been used in robberies but, would it not be better if store owners and other vendors were allowed the same protection? | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 7:57:05 PM | well edmfella, its so we the people are eternally dependant upon organized criminals for protection.
making weapons illegal only deters the people that would actually use the weapons to defend themselves. this is proven time after time due to crimes being done continuously against unarmed civilians by criminals that are armed with illegal weapons.
with everyone armed , there would be a detente . where criminals would think twice before trying to victimize someone else. and......... well..... the cops cant have that happen, else they would quickly lose their value in a society not totally dependant upon their "often" way too late protection
also an unarmed population is alot easier to manipulate and control by the crooks running the show | |
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| police tasers
Posted: 5/7/2009 8:12:10 PM | IMO the problem with tasers is the person operating it.
Before tasers came along the police were taught how to "handle" difficult situations without the need for violence (on their parts). They were taught how to negotiate. If they didn't try to negotiate they'd be left with little choice but to fire their handguns. So, they talked!
As we saw from the video of the death of the Polish visitor to Canada in the Vancouver Airport, the police are just too quick to pull those things out and fire. In that video more than one office fired those darts into their victim.
Here's a little tidbit . . . How many innocent victims were shot by police before tasers came along??? Not too many. Now, how many innocent victims have been shot, and how many have died since tasers became the "gun" of choice for our police forces??? Too many!!! | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 8:59:53 PM | If you read all the links that were posted here, the manufacturer admitted there are some that are faulty, and they want them back....The tasers are also no longer tested on the police...
Agreed with what edmonfellla said... I think every citizen would want one of them tasers as a protection device, so why can't they? | |
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Posted: 5/7/2009 10:15:19 PM | Some food for thought from the news story...
<div class="quote"> Alberta recently mothballed 50 Tasers after tests showed they weren't working properly.
The rejects made up 12 per cent of the 412 devices tested. There were not problems with the remaining 88 per cent.
OK, if the Police were issued ammunition for their handguns that only functioned properly 88% of the time do you think that they would stand for it?
<div class="quote"> A hangfire should be initially suspected whenever a weapon fails to fire, but has not clearly malfunctioned--i.e., the operator believes that the weapon has correctly cycled a fresh round, the weapon fails to fire, and the action is not visibly jammed. The correct procedure in this situation is to keep the weapon pointed at a safe target for thirty seconds, then remove and safely discard the round.
Would 88% functionality be OK with their handguns? What about 88% performance of their bullet proof vests? Who would accept being issued the possibility of 12% of vests that wouldn't stop a bullet from a 9MM? I would be inclined to think they would DEMAND a change in the supplier.
This is truly turning the people against the state when it comes to 'acceptable standards'.
Sambo, there are already 'bean bag riot guns' available. (It's a bit like a shotgun but not lethal) I'd hate like hell to be shot with one, but would prefer it to a bullet. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 1:49:47 PM | A lazy strung-out crackhead can still injure a fit police officer, why should he or any other public servent that's there for the benifit of public safety have to take unnecessary risks?
I say ban the taser and go to bigger guns with hair triggers.
Maybe later they would want to bring the tazer back.... | |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 4:39:35 PM | well frog. why stop there, arm these cops with flame throwers and hand grenades.
and fyi, a lazy hung over cop can still injure pedestrians while hes rushing and speeding thru traffic to get to the local coffee shop. (and fyi. alot of these cops are themselves drug addicts, potheads, etc)i for one really dont need to see them any more well armed , a billy club is all they used in the uk and they had no problem getting there jobs done
if youll notice there isnt a single crackhead brought up in this thread that the cops have tasered, just as yet uncharged/innocent people who are accused or acting oddly. | |
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Posted: 5/8/2009 5:48:31 PM | whats wrong with just a regulat old fashioned gun,can always shoot a guy in the leg and imobalize them,or a billy club as mentioned above,but at least when a gunshot wound to the limbs to imobalize you, it can be repaired in most cases,and is not lethal,that is if they did there job in training these people.
these tazers were just another new toy they could spend some budget money on,and like anything else looked like a great idea at the time,but i beleive its time to ban the use of them.Also to note the one who mentioned the credibiloty of the police,all they do is lie to cover there asses,so when i read about another one dropping dead it would be really nice to know the real truth behind the story.I think its time we started throwing our police behind bars to prove a point or make an egample to stop the coruption when something fails within there group.there no better then the criminal they talk of | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:45:39 PM | Mountie:..... Use of Taser in Dziekanski case consistent with training
Dziekanski was wielding a stapler when he was shocked multiple times by an RCMP Taser.
"Why not have the four police officers try to tackle him rather than using this device?" asked Ravi Hira, who is representing the officer who used the Taser on Dziekanski.
Gillis said it was for Dziekanski's safety as well as the officers'
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/05/11/9426331-cp.html | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:53:18 PM | well you know that stapler could have drawn a drop of blood at the worst case scenerio,maybe they thought it was a fully automatic stapler and not a semi -automatic,lmao | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 7:51:01 PM | | Nah...I say the stapler could have stapled the officer, resulting in not being able to draw his weapon "the taser gun" | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:19:07 PM | | i say the cop should be stapled by his n-ts upside down and then they should taser him and watch him wiggle,regardless these things should be banned,i could just see it if the guy would have passed away,its not even worth the chance to use these things and the police do not know the apropriate time to use them | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:37:41 PM | They no longer test them on officers...Wonder what happened there?
Also if they are so good, why can't citizens have them for protection?
Was she too quick on the draw?......read on:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2009/05/11/9418711-sun.html | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 8:46:23 PM | | dont even have to read on springfish,i just looked at the headline,A STAPLER come on give me a breaki lol,maybe she was | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:19:51 PM | Sometimes it pays to read homes, the link is for a different matter....read on
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:20:11 PM | Just saw on the news (10:12 PM. May 11/09) that the RCMP have issued an apology to the family of Mr. Dziekanski.
I am pretty sure this means that the RCMP have settled out of court with the family and the conditions of the settlement were that they apologize publicly and pay a massive amount of money.
And we will never know the truth. (that the RCMP killed him needlessly)
On edit: I saw the thing about the rookie cop shooting the guy. That will never go anywhere. The only people that saw it were two cops and a drunk native woman... who do you think will be considered a credible witness?
The Edmonton Police force is the most corrupt force I have ever seen.
It isn't a thin blue line anymore... it's a mile wide blue gap. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:25:11 PM | | ahhhhhhhhh you know sometimes it pays,what can i say,but all is good,myself i sooner not read anymore about them tasers as i think they are ridiculas,actually the people they let use them are,no wthey will just step up on eth ticket writting for a couple months to pay for it ,thats all,in the end we pay for there stupidity | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:26:03 PM | | thats right we will never know,what we can assume though is there slush fund just got decreased by alot | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 9:33:51 PM | | They may even have to close down one of the three bars that are currently open in the downtown EPS station. | |
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