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 cutelittledevil

Joined: 9/22/2006
Msg: 26
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 7:53:45 AM
Msg 25 - Mum! The word 'Spastic' although is offensive now, was not offensive before PC went mad, until the goverment told us it was!!!!!!!!!!

I hate all this PC rubbish. Baa Baa Rainbow sheep? have a laugh!!! Do we have Rainbow Coloured sheep??? I am confused!!!!

Barman / Barmaid - Bar person?????? what difference in the world does this make????

So in short, the WORLD HAS GONE PC MAD!!!!!

WE HAVE LOST THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!!!!
 kisseylips

Joined: 9/24/2005
Msg: 27
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Posted: 10/20/2006 8:21:29 AM
OT the word 'Spastic' has not been used by disabled people for a long time now as they find it offensive and quite rightly so though Im sure you didnt meant to offend anyone when you used it. The majority of people do not have the faintest clue what to say when referring to people with disabilities.

Mysty you seem to have a good idea apart from using the term 'wheelchair bound'. Disabled people look on their wheelchair as a mode of transport to enable them to get around, kind of like non disabled people use a car or a bus etc. We dont say someone is 'car bound' so by the same definition disabled people dont like to use the term 'wheelchair bound'. This isnt just my personal opinion. I work for a lady who 'has' cerebral palsy she doesnt suffer from it as is a favourite of the media etc. My employer does a lot of Disability Awareness Training and I accompany her so that is how i know about the proper terms to use etc.

As far as pc in general i think it has gone way over the top now and people dont have a clue what is the proper thing to say etc for fear of offending anyone. Soon we will be scared to open our mouths!




Msg 6. Im sorry but I never understand a word of your posts. It is complete jargon to me. Is there any chance that you could just use plain english instead of all these big words that i would need a disctionary to look up every 2 seconds as im sure it is very good reading but every time I try I end up giving up.
 thebigbossnahhh

Joined: 4/14/2006
Msg: 28
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 10:51:49 AM
Don't know why they bother. People only make up new ways to insult people and new words.
If someone tells you that you can't do that, your gonna go and do it anyway aren't ya!?
Rebel!!! Yeeeeah!!
 thebigbossnahhh

Joined: 4/14/2006
Msg: 29
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 10:56:53 AM

i use the term window licker now n then n i know its wrong but only say it in jest,and ive had a few people go ballistic at me,maybe deserved but its said before thinking about it.


I'd just play the Disability Card and say "I've got Torrets leave me alone you piss, fart, mong****aster!!!"
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 1:34:09 PM
MSG 6.

You're so full of it it's not even funny. Here's the real version of events concerning PC.


Where does all this stuff that you’ve heard about this morning – the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the invented statistics, the rewritten history, the lies, the demands, all the rest of it – where does it come from? For the first time in our history, Americans have to be fearful of what they say, of what they write, and of what they think. They have to be afraid of using the wrong word, a word denounced as offensive or insensitive, or racist, sexist, or homophobic.

We have seen other countries, particularly in this century, where this has been the case. And we have always regarded them with a mixture of pity, and to be truthful, some amusement, because it has struck us as so strange that people would allow a situation to develop where they would be afraid of what words they used. But we now have this situation in this country. We have it primarily on college campuses, but it is spreading throughout the whole society. Were does it come from? What is it?

We call it "Political Correctness." The name originated as something of a joke, literally in a comic strip, and we tend still to think of it as only half-serious. In fact, it’s deadly serious. It is the great disease of our century, the disease that has left tens of millions of people dead in Europe, in Russia, in China, indeed around the world. It is the disease of ideology. PC is not funny. PC is deadly serious.

If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is. Political Correctness is cultural Marxism. It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms. It is an effort that goes back not to the 1960s and the hippies and the peace movement, but back to World War I. If we compare the basic tenets of Political Correctness with classical Marxism the parallels are very obvious.

First of all, both are totalitarian ideologies. The totalitarian nature of Political Correctness is revealed nowhere more clearly than on college campuses, many of which at this point are small ivy covered North Koreas, where the student or faculty member who dares to cross any of the lines set up by the gender feminist or the homosexual-rights activists, or the local black or Hispanic group, or any of the other sainted "victims" groups that PC revolves around, quickly find themselves in judicial trouble. Within the small legal system of the college, they face formal charges – some star-chamber proceeding – and punishment. That is a little look into the future that Political Correctness intends for the nation as a whole.

Indeed, all ideologies are totalitarian because the essence of an ideology (I would note that conservatism correctly understood is not an ideology) is to take some philosophy and say on the basis of this philosophy certain things must be true – such as the whole of the history of our culture is the history of the oppression of women. Since reality contradicts that, reality must be forbidden. It must become forbidden to acknowledge the reality of our history. People must be forced to live a lie, and since people are naturally reluctant to live a lie, they naturally use their ears and eyes to look out and say, "Wait a minute. This isn’t true. I can see it isn’t true," the power of the state must be put behind the demand to live a lie. That is why ideology invariably creates a totalitarian state.

Second, the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness, like economic Marxism, has a single factor explanation of history. Economic Marxism says that all of history is determined by ownership of means of production. Cultural Marxism, or Political Correctness, says that all history is determined by power, by which groups defined in terms of race, sex, etc., have power over which other groups. Nothing else matters. All literature, indeed, is about that. Everything in the past is about that one thing.

Third, just as in classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil. In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals. These groups are determined to be "victims," and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.

Fourth, both economic and cultural Marxism rely on expropriation. When the classical Marxists, the communists, took over a country like Russia, they expropriated the bourgeoisie, they took away their property. Similarly, when the cultural Marxists take over a university campus, they expropriate through things like quotas for admissions. When a white student with superior qualifications is denied admittance to a college in favor of a black or Hispanic who isn’t as well qualified, the white student is expropriated. And indeed, affirmative action, in our whole society today, is a system of expropriation. White owned companies don’t get a contract because the contract is reserved for a company owned by, say, Hispanics or women. So expropriation is a principle tool for both forms of Marxism.

And finally, both have a method of analysis that automatically gives the answers they want. For the classical Marxist, it’s Marxist economics. For the cultural Marxist, it’s deconstruction. Deconstruction essentially takes any text, removes all meaning from it and re-inserts any meaning desired. So we find, for example, that all of Shakespeare is about the suppression of women, or the Bible is really about race and gender. All of these texts simply become grist for the mill, which proves that "all history is about which groups have power over which other groups." So the parallels are very evident between the classical Marxism that we’re familiar with in the old Soviet Union and the cultural Marxism that we see today as Political Correctness.

But the parallels are not accidents. The parallels did not come from nothing. The fact of the matter is that Political Correctness has a history, a history that is much longer than many people are aware of outside a small group of academics who have studied this. And the history goes back, as I said, to World War I, as do so many of the pathologies that are today bringing our society, and indeed our culture, down.



More if anybody wants it.

http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
 vin fourstar

Joined: 8/27/2006
Msg: 31
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Posted: 10/20/2006 3:17:27 PM
Jean, I'm amazed to admit this, but I understood every word of that! Such a refreshing change from left-wing bullshit that springs from a certain beast on the forums.


I reckon that PC-speak is used by certain people to make themselves feel better. They can't bear to use words which THEY think are offensive to others. Take "differently-abled" (ffs). If you think about it, we are all differently-abled, but it is used by people to describe those who have a profound disability. Yet, among that group are some who can do certain things better than I, so the term becomes irrelevant and (worse) inaccurate. So, by using that term on a particular group, they are, in effect, highlighting the "disability" rather than allowing those disabled people to be just part of society.
 Nogoodnames

Joined: 4/4/2006
Msg: 32
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 4:02:30 PM
Political Correctness has gone completely mad. I think everyone is either on their toes about being branded a racist or accidently says something that 'this week' is not PC and gets branded a racists. It's sick.
 ~Missy~H

Joined: 8/6/2006
Msg: 33
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 4:07:51 PM
Yes it's gone utterly stupid.

Why can we still have/say white pedal bin liners, but can't have black bags?



Missy~H
 vin fourstar

Joined: 8/27/2006
Msg: 34
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Posted: 10/20/2006 4:11:09 PM
Yeah, just imagine if you tried to form a White Solicitor's Association, even though there is one for blacks.

How about an award for Music Of White Origin?



 macforty

Joined: 7/26/2006
Msg: 35
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Posted: 10/20/2006 4:18:39 PM
A ball****...is now referred to as a Float Operated Valve!! Must admit though i got a bad habit of calling u gals "love" or "darlin" when im working in peoples homes .......is that classified as offensive to women or just me being a cheeky chappie ?
 ~Missy~H

Joined: 8/6/2006
Msg: 36
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 4:20:10 PM
Your not alllowed to have a "brain storm" anymore, it's called a "thought shower" now
 jay kay 73

Joined: 6/13/2006
Msg: 37
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/20/2006 4:34:01 PM
my son told me last year the school had said that the word "black" was not to be used for non white children and "brown" was the preferred word
i myself have a large number of "black" west indian and jamaican friends who would be
mortified if they were referred to as brown!!!! who is making these "rules" up?
 webbo.1

Joined: 10/10/2006
Msg: 38
Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 10/21/2006 2:28:22 AM
what about the school which banned hot cross buns cos it might offend people from other religions for which the cross isnt assosiated. havent these people got better things to worry about than bloody hot cross buns offending someone. All these rules are made up by white sell-outs who are trying to score points off each other and in the mean time destroying the country. im sure mr patel from the local spa corner shop wouldnt care if his son or daughter ate a bloody hot cross bun(sorry that wasnt very politically correct). the only time an item of food would offend me is if it was thrown at me but then id probably be in stitches laughing. everyone needs to lighten up. long live England
 Brutus Maximus

Joined: 4/4/2007
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Posted: 1/20/2008 6:46:56 PM
Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is


Entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.
 eliza-jane

Joined: 11/30/2007
Msg: 40
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Posted: 1/21/2008 2:13:49 AM
As a temporarily able bodied person I am going to get a job as a smooth talking bar steward.
 Disco chick Uk

Joined: 1/11/2007
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Posted: 1/21/2008 4:16:43 AM
PC gone crazy!!!!!!!

Ever used te term getting down to the "nitty gritty"...or "brainstorm an idea"....well thats wrong these days because apparently its offencive to black people and disabled people...

Yet one thing i do notice, its usually white, able bodied, middle aged, employed do gooders of society who impose this waffle on us....Were becoming a nation of pu$$y footers afraid of rocking the boat and upsetting others....
 peachyperfect

Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 1/21/2008 4:28:47 AM
lets not forget the schools!!

Seems the song is now ..'baa baa happy sheep'

......and we all write on white boards....go figure..

lou
xx
 Lahmia

Joined: 8/23/2006
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Posted: 1/21/2008 10:22:03 PM
PC has gone mad. But to try and say your a poor innocent for the term spastic, did you use it in the correct usage or simply to refer to someone with a disability? if you used it to describe part of a condition then it would probably have been ok but I bet you weren't. Alot of the Pc squad get worked up over everything, and have no idea about the subject at hand.
 cargy

Joined: 10/13/2006
Msg: 44
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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:20:05 AM
Most of us possess mobile phones. Many of us frequently get copies of "humorous" text messages forwarded from our contacts, and some we forward in turn. Much the same can be said about our email.

Many of these texts could easily be described as offensive, racist, sexist, and any number of other "ist"s you might care to imagine.

Most of us, will momentarily divest our PC indoctrination in the sanctity of our own home/car/office, and appreciate the joke.

If the people truly believed in the PC claptrap infecting our society, these messages would never be forwarded by anyone. But the fact is they are in general circulation, and it's not uncommon to get the same message from different contacts in your address book.

However, the same people will follow the indoctrinated reaction of disapproval when in public, simply because of the way that PC doctrines work; fear!

Fear of being branded racist, fear of being branded sexist, fear of being branded a homophobe and so on. And good old human nature works to further this because the fear is now instilled enough thanks to the level of PC awareness that we feel obliged to disapprove as strongly as possible just to make absolutely certain we ourselves are not also branded in the same way by remaining silent.

Whatever the original intents of the groups that have so heavily pushed political correctness they are failing and doing far more harm than good as there is now an underlying resentment in everyday folk wha are sick of being told what they can or can't think.

I wonder where it will ultimately lead?
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:30:44 AM
I wonder where it will ultimately lead?


The backlash is already here, in those who cry "PC!", in order to justify and rationalize ; discourtesy, disrespect, objectification, demonization, and an attitude lacking in the fundamental awareness of basic human dignity, and a false sense of entitlement that places them above others.
 DeusXMachina

Joined: 10/14/2006
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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:40:53 AM
I remember when I was at infant school in the early 1980s, the word 'spastic' was used as a derogatory term in common currency, I find it impossible to believe that nearly 25 years later someone could claim not to know this. Likewise the individual who used the term 'indian giver' - what planet are you people on?

A lot of the backlash against PC (which is admittedly a very silly and largely fictional concept) is from people who want to be able to use words like n****r, p**i, etc in public

For what its worth, more than half of the 'ridiculous' PC terms were made up for a fictional/comedy book by 2 guys who I think were called Beard and Cerf, around 1996 and have never been used in the manner they suggest
 ~~Posh4~~

Joined: 6/21/2005
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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:49:39 AM

Fear of being branded racist, fear of being branded sexist, fear of being branded a homophobe and so on. And good old human nature works to further this because the fear is now instilled enough thanks to the level of PC awareness that we feel obliged to disapprove as strongly as possible just to make absolutely certain we ourselves are not also branded in the same way by remaining silent


This is so true, and it is becoming so noticeable on the forums, it seems that everyone is so anxious to prove how PC they are, they seem to have lost their own identity in an effort to conform to the so called status qua/PC brigade..

I find it tragic and pathetic that some are allowing their own uniqueness to be kept suppressed in order for them to be one of the flock..

For example it appears now perfectly in order to murder a child as long as you have a mental issue, and makes me feel positively sick to see people excusing, even condoning and showing compassion for such a sick disgusting act, the act of taking another human life, especially that of a child..

Those that do not conform and show total utter abhorrence of the crime in their postings, are then subjected to innuendo's re their personality..

This is a sick sad reflection on how some are allowing themselves to be herded into a pen, the PC pen..

It could of course just be showing how desperate some are to get a date that they will even compromise what they believe/know in their head, to get love in their heart..
 guernsey_donkey

Joined: 1/31/2006
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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:53:21 AM
I've noticed that, if you spend time, at work, say, with folk who are a 'minority', because of their skin colour, religion, country of origin, disability, whatever, you and they don't feel like they're in a minority, they're just, you know, people at work.

Until some dufus, in government or, worse, Human Resources, decides that you shouldn't say something because it may upset a black, Asian, Muslim, deaf, Irish, etc. person, then you start to be uncomfortably aware that they are different and you have to act differently or some folk 'need' special treatment.

These PC-pushers don't seem to pick up on the fact that they cause far more trouble!

Example: "Muslims are offended by Christmas, so we'll tone it down".

Bollocks! Not the ones I know, we used to ALL do stupid, cheap pressies and have Christmas parties, now we are all aware of the reason we aren't supposed to do these things anymore - BEWARE, THESE FOLK ARE DIFFERENT.

Grrrr.
 diabolikk

Joined: 12/16/2007
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Posted: 1/25/2008 12:28:51 PM
I think PC has some benefits in trying to change the way, sometime thoughtless and derogatory, we define or describe someone. Some times it makes sense and better things...most times is just crap designed to make you feel guilty.

PC being from the American right wing was just too ridiculous to address, sorry.
 Barton Fonk

Joined: 1/19/2008
Msg: 50
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Posted: 1/25/2008 8:15:02 PM


We all know what lies behind this. It's the fact that the disrespected groups in society are fighting back and challenging the comfortable white majority's sense of entitlement. The entitlement to racially abuse ethnic minorities; the entitlement to objectify women or treat them as domestic appliances; the entitlement to behave as they want because they are part of the tyranny of the majority, the ruling group. This group can feel its complacency being stripped away, all the things it holds dear, all the rights it assumes for itsself, being held up to the light for examination and being found lacking. Lacking in logic and morality.
So you whinge. And whine. And play the victim.

What a loathsome species.
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