cargy
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Joined: 10/13/2006
Msg: 51 | |
| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:31:27 AM | We all know what lies behind this. It's the fact that the disrespected groups in society are fighting back and challenging the comfortable white majority's sense of entitlement. The entitlement to racially abuse ethnic minorities; the entitlement to objectify women or treat them as domestic appliances; the entitlement to behave as they want because they are part of the tyranny of the majority, the ruling group. This group can feel its complacency being stripped away, all the things it holds dear, all the rights it assumes for itsself, being held up to the light for examination and being found lacking. Lacking in logic and morality.
So you whinge. And whine. And play the victim.
Is it really?
I'm glad I've been put straight on this, because I had the mistaken belief that it was because my enjoyment of Christmas is being stripped away, my enjoyment in showing public support for our national sports teams is being stripped away, my right to use words that have been part of the English language for centuries is being denied. And so on, ad nauseum.
Now, of course, I know better!
So you whinge. And whine. And play the victim.
Sauce for the goose...!
What a loathsome species.
Yes, the species referred to is Homo Sapiens. You are part of it, and no doubt share most of the traits and faulty logic you decry so loudly.
So, all in all, thank you for your opinions, but I'm glad I don't share them. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:49:55 AM | I write on a blackboard.
My kids learned to sing "Baa Baa Black Sheep"
My friend is disabled and uses a wheelchair.
My Irish friend we call Paddy (real name Adrian)
I will continue to use these terms and tell it as it is , because thats how I was brought up. And my friends dont mind. Shock horror.
But of course its our own fault that local councils now cannot display Christmas decorations in the street, its our own fault that we cant wave the flag for England during the world cup, for fear of upsetting some minority or other and its our own fault that we cannot now refer to "muslim terrorists", rather we are told this week that we have to say " terrorists with Al Queada sympathies" ....
never mind "not upsetting the minorities" - whatever happened to not upsetting the indiginous British population ?! (taking care to include all minority groups, obviously ..)
When PC came to the public attention in the late seventies / early eighties we went along with it because at first they seemed harmless enough, but then the looney leftie council wishy washy arse licking poncy wet do-gooders decided to go one step further .. and then one step further.. and now we live in a country where freedom of speech has been eroded to the point that an innocent remark could land someone in the nick ........ There is a world of difference between being non-PC and deliberately offensive.
The lunatics are running the asylum .
vvvvvvv the legendary Ian Dury - he was a brilliant performer | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:08:04 AM |
my enjoyment of Christmas is being stripped away{/quote] In what way? Don't give me any of that laughable tripe about having to call it 'winterval' or some such. You don't. Nobody has to. showing public support for our national sports teams is being stripped away, Is it? How so? It isn't really, is it? You would like this to be the case so you would have a valid reason for whining. Nobody is stopped from supporting their national sports team. my right to use words that have been part of the English language for centuries is being denied The only words that are frowned upon are the derogatory ones. If you want to use those you're a plank. And so on, ad nauseum. Awww. B*ll*cks. Sauce for the goose...! Meaning? | |
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cargy
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Joined: 10/13/2006
Msg: 54 | |
| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 6:39:47 AM |
The only words that are frowned upon are the derogatory ones. If you want to use those you're a plank
Oh you gotta love the delicious irony contained within that sentence! Presumably to call a fellow poster a "plank" is intended to be derogatory, because it sure as heck isn't a factual statement!
Awww. B*ll*cks
...and that is one of the least convincing arguments I have ever come across on Pof!
As to the other points, it wasn't so long ago that I raised a thread referring to a news article containing a leaked memo on "Downgrading Christmas", which serves to illustrate the Christmas reference.
Apparently the words "frowned upon are the derogatory ones" Far from it! as the infamous Baa Baa "happy" sheep scenario shows, it's down to how people choose to interpret a meaning.
If the word "black" is now "derogatory", it's a bit of a bugger that I own a black car, a black pair of shoes, and have a friend who owns a black horse...
...and I've just had to get a new black ink cartridge for my printer!
As for the expression "Sauce for the goose..." I suggest anyone unfamiliar with that term Googles it. Or is it Gooseist nowadays to use that expression? | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 8:26:53 AM | | I agree with misty's comment. With regards to disability, i do not think political correctness has gone mad. I find the word 'spastic' derogatory and offensive. I would not go balistic like the person the OP mentioned did, as i am aware some people do not see the word as offensive, and may not have said it with intent to offend. However, i would challenge any person i know for using what i percieve as a derogatory generalised word regarding disability. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 8:57:38 AM |
I would not go balistic like the person the OP mentioned did, as i am aware some people do not see the word as offensive, and may not have said it with intent to offend.
Its more the latter part of what you said that sort of hits the nail on the head. IMO its all to do with how the word is used/said and not the actually word itself! Not everyone tries to be PC and some people dont know an alternative or the 'in' word for certain terms, but, its how they say it and not what they say that is more important to me!!
And yes I would challenge someone for using any descriptive word in a derogatory manner! | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 2:16:43 PM | Cagliostro,
Right wing art? Surely all modern art is right wing as it is no longer "Art for Art's sake," but "Money for God's sake" to quote 10cc.
As for Literature, Kipling is usually described as right wing ( I disagree, think he is more of a pragmatic than political) or PJ O'Rourke, A very funny republican writer.
I suspect that it is a self fulfilling prophecy that all 'good' art & literature is leftish, as anything that is right-wing must be 'bad' as it oppresses minorities.
To get back to the thread
I actually work for an organisation that was described by a very well known satirical magazine as the winner of the "politically correctness award" 2007 in their round up of local government stories of the year.
They were accused of PC ness, due to sending out Postcards asking for local opinion showing four rough figures holding balloons with glad or grumpy faces on. Someone (with quite pale skin) complained that out of the four figures, it was wrong to show the one with dark skin as the miserable one. The council panicked and re-did the design (at quite a large expense once it was all reprinted etc.) so the ethnic minority was actually holding the happy balloon.
This seems wrong to me on several levels.
First the Card seemed to imply that certain ethnic minorities are always beaming and smiling, and never depressed. So what about the Blues? (music not Birmingham City FC).
Secondly to be be a correct representation of the ethnic diversity (or lack thereof) of the region, there should have been another 16 caucasian faces on the card, as at the last census 95% of the district was described as white. But looking at the card you would guess that the minorities were 5 times more numerous than the facts state. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 2:36:38 PM | msg 60
Deus,
Indian Giver
As per good old wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_giver
Indian giver is an American English expression used for any individual who gives something and then either takes it back or wants to take it back.
It gives two possible explanations, one which blames native americans for taking back stuff loaned to early settlers (who had thought they were gifts), and the other which is derogatory to white people who made treaties with the indians, then broke the promises and took the land etc.
I always understood it to mean the latter and wouldn't have considered it racist (except against white able-bodied men (such as the us government) and they can't be victims in PC- land , until I actually looked it up just now and found the other possible derivation.
If you can't call somebody from Pakistan a p**i as it is not politically correct, can I complain if I am called a brit?
As for spoof PC terms, my favourite is " I'm not too stupid to go to college, I'm University Challenged" which was a 'private eye' cartoon | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 2:45:54 PM | "If you can't call somebody from Pakistan a p**i as it is not politically correct, can I complain if I am called a brit"
A typical comment from the bottom-end of the scum scale. P**i is on a level with n****r or k*ke for offensiveness - do you make a claim that 'Brit' has ever had such connotations or would be found to be offensive? | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:04:03 PM | I find the word 'spastic' derogatory and offensive.
Its funny how the Spastic Society itself didnt mind calling themselves spastic for 42 years 1952~1994 !! | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:10:56 PM | "If you can't call somebody from Pakistan a p**i as it is not politically correct, can I complain if I am called a brit"
British Brit
Scottish Scot
Japanese Jap
French Frog
American Yank
Polish Pole
German Crout
Just a few..
Makes you think abit eh ?? | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:11:13 PM |
I find the word 'spastic' derogatory and offensive.
It all depends on the context in which the word is used. Spasticity is a medical term. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:16:52 PM | If you can't call somebody from Pakistan a p**i as it is not politically correct, can I complain if I am called a brit?
I would suggest that you reference "ad hominem tu quoque" in order to understand this particular argument.
Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
Some extreme examples of "PC" are indeed laughable, but for some who use it as a rally cry to further the cause of "us vs them", it's often clear that this is in order to: justify and rationalize ;
discourtesy
disrespect
objectification
demonization
- and an attitude lacking in the fundamental awareness of basic human dignity, and a false sense of entitlement that places them above others.
Anybody with the slightest ability to reason should be able to tell the difference, I know I can. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:20:34 PM |
Its funny how the Spastic Society itself didnt mind calling themselves spastic for 42 years 1952~1994
Maybe the usage of the word was a factor behind that, rather than the 'other way round' like you're suggesting? I remember it being used in a derogitary way when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, or a lazy version of it, 'spazzy' was used also- to insult disabled and able bodied kids. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:31:39 PM |
I remember it being used in a derogitary way when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's, or a lazy version of it, 'spazzy' was used also- to insult disabled and able bodied kids.
I remember it also it was around my era too .
So what is stopping todays youngsters deriding the spastics societys new name "Scope" i.e Scopey etc ?? | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:35:30 PM |
So what is stopping todays youngsters deriding the spastics societys new name "Scope" i.e Scopey etc ??
Good parenting should instill the basic idea of human dignity. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 3:57:09 PM | | "Spastic" is such an ugly-sounding word. Isn't it interesting how many so-called un-PC words are that way? Gentle reader, look in the mirror and say it out loud and slowly: S P A S - T I C. The lips form a sullen "sp" to spit out a short "a", your tongue nudges the pallate for a defiant "z", terminated by an insolent "stick". Let ugly words die, I say. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:12:14 PM | Spastic? (also an adverb)
How about...
moron = a once common psychology-related term
idiot = a once common psychology-related term
imbecile = a once common psychology-related term
retarded = mentally retarded - a once common psychology-related term
"feeb" = feeble-minded - a once common psychology-related term
All fallen from common medical usage but still oft used epithets, and once concepts that were the driving force behind eugenics (how's that for offensive?)
Some more?
dumb = mute
"timmy" = reference to the first United Way poster child (may be unique to N.A.)
"poster child" = see above
"vegetable" = vegetative state
"psycho" = psychotic episode
"schizo" = schizophrenia
These terms become unacceptable when used in their original form, this is the idea that one should try to understand. Most are still quite acceptable when used to describe various world leaders, etc. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:15:50 PM | Good parenting should instill the basic idea of human dignity.
Kids will be kids though whilst away from thier parents watchful eye regardless of even the best parental skills given surely ?
Hence the saying "kids can be cruel " !! | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:22:42 PM | Kids will be kids though whilst away from thier parents watchful eye
Again, this depends on how good a job the parents did. I was raised by a father who did ground-breaking research into the treatment of visible minorities back in the '70s. My father also made sure, that even at a young age, I understood things like critical thinking, reason, and above all - "the greater good" in regards to what "human dignity" and "human rights" are, and the fact that unless they are undertaken in the full spirit of egalitarianism - they cease to exist. Much of the work my father did was included in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, our Privacy Legislation, and other documents that have been used as models for other country's own constitutions.
As a child, I was more likely to confront the bullies than join them, ...I have a 9 y/o daughter who is quite the same, she also has a good grounding in logic and critical thinking, and could rip a lot of these rationalizations and fallacies to bits. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:35:53 PM |
I was raised by a father who did ground-breaking research into the treatment of visible minorities back in the '70s. My father also made sure, that even at a young age, I understood things like critical thinking, reason, and above all - "the greater good" in regards to what "human dignity" and "human rights" are, and the fact that unless they are undertaken in the full spirit of egalitarianism - they cease to exist. Much of the work my father did was included in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, our Privacy Legislation, and other documents that have been used as models for other country's own constitutions.
I was talking generally .............thats somewhat unique !!
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:47:59 PM | I had many friends who thought along the same lines.
Racism, the marginalization of visible minorities, xenophobia, etc. ALL come from ignorance.
What kid wants to be ignorant?
Easy to teach kids their place in the human species = equal.
Bow to no one/look down on no one
The math is easy. | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:12:42 PM | Yup I do think it has....
meaning Political Correctness has become a farce'
A Controlling mechanism
to create much angst... | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:18:40 PM |
A Controlling mechanism
to create much angst...
Yep its called the government, closely followed by the ultra PC brigade, note not the mentally balanced PC brigade...
Even they are splitting into the pacifist (PC) and fanatical (ultra)....
The lunatics have taken over... | |
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| Has political correctness gone mad?
Posted: 1/26/2008 5:19:20 PM | I think political correctness pendulum has swung too far and needs to fall back into a 'common sense' vector that gives it back credibility and support. The aim of PC was simply to adopt a common approach to the choice of words that would respect all issues of race, religion, gender and not cause offence to or disadvantage social minorities. It really is very simple and it was never intended to take on a life of its own progressively moving from the ridiculous to the damaging, not to mention the enormouse waste of time and money involved in feeding this insatiable monster.
Example:
"Bonnyrigg Primary School in Midlothian, Scotland, has changed the numbers of its classes from 1a and 1b in case those in class 1b felt inferior to those in class 1a - despite the fact that it was quite clear that the make up of the two classes was based on the dates of birth of the pupils."
Example:
"Gulf war veteran told his Union Jack tattoo could be seen as racist
12 September 2006
A man applying to become a police community support officer in Cumbria was deemed to be unsuitable as he had a Union Jack tattoo alongside the words "British Army" below his left shoulder." | |
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