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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 3:26:38 PM | Filmmakermike, so you are saying American women in general are less affected by commercialism because they have revolutionary blood? Soviet union was established by revolution in early 20 century. and still many Russian people are very creative, smart and courageous even after genocide and I don't understand what on earth 'the revolutionary blood of the founding of USA' has anything to do with commercialism of now 200 something years later. People all over the world now are ruled by commercialism from western countries especially from USA. We all know that USA is the center of commercialism. You can't tell who is less or more materialistic based on the region, country, race any more because of globalization of commercialism. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 3:35:40 PM | They are extremely stubborn and assertive. This is also why so many walk away from their American husbands. Often their husbands can't handle this assertiveness once they arrive in North America. You are right in your observations. However the causes of young Russians, and I've known Russian female emigres from age 19 to 59, is that it's a fundamental genetic issue. The Gulags simply annihilated the genetic liine of any family who showed resistance, or revolutionary spirit. Those entire families and their genetic code was wiped out. 50 million people and their families.
Aculturation doesn't change who people are. Russian women, age 19-49 today are the product of the Gulag culling. Those who were allowed to live had submissive and mercantile minded genetics. Those that valued poetry, art, music, anything that defied Marxism, were removed from the living.
This is not to judge harshly Russian women today. This is to help explain their side. They have the genetics today of commercialism and submissiveness or vacant commercial reaction to that submissivness that Communism demanded.
Russian genetic pool will recover in about 300 years to what it was before Marxism murdered 50 million of the most creative, non-commercial, outspoken, Russians.
We can still love people for who they are. There is no need to make them just like us. Offer compassion. If you look deep inside a Russian woman today, you will see a small strand of her ancestors long ago. Try to develop that. She will thank you.
When 50 million people are selected to be annihilated because of their refusal to conform, then it damages several hundred years, if not more, of genetic code.
There are exceptions. Families of those who defected early on.
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 3:38:58 PM | I am a 33 Russain woman who definitely knows a Russian and American history. Indeed, I have memories of communist regime. However, they have passed long time ago. Not only for me but for generation of people who are older than me and still live in Russia. The communist concept was not around for at least the last 15 years. Even elderly people have adjusted to the new Russia and get a kick out of their new day market economy (mostly).
Gulag is singular and not plural. It actually the Gulag. Questions?
The above post """"""""""Russian genetic pool will recover in about 300 years to what it was before Marxism murdered 50 million of the most creative, non-commercial, outspoken, Russians."""""""""""
The above post. Genetics, my dear, has nothing to do with communism *that is not around anymore at all*
It somehwat may be a fact of upbring that you eentually may adjust. But do you really believe in 300 year crap? P.S. communism was launched shortly after 1917 where is 300 years here????
****** I guess another smart a** wants to let you know his knowledge of 300 years of Russain history.
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 3:47:12 PM |
Those that valued poetry, art, music, anything that defied Marxism, were removed from the living.
hmmmmm.... my g/f is a brilliant violinist. Her father is a successful clarinetist. Her mother is a professor of theatre. You don't wipe out a genetics by killing people in this way. Creative people are smart. They recognise the reality of their time and adjust accordingly. I would suggest to you that the brilliant Russians hid their talent.
Note that all of the great violinists of the last century are Russian and Jewish: Two groups who were slaughtered with the goal of eliminatig their genes. Has this creativity ended? Don't challenge me. You will lose!

bradentonpooh, is the one Russian I mentioned earlier. I think she is a catch. Grab her ... if she'll take you. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 3:55:31 PM | Creative people are smart. They recognise the reality of their time and adjust accordingly. I would suggest to you that the brilliant Russians hid their talent.
You are right here. Solzhenitsyn was one of the few who had the strength to survive. Of course he survived by hiding his talent until we knew about it.
Gulag is singular and not plural. It actually the Gulag. Questions? Gulag can be plural, depsite its acronym for a singular system. Just as PC can be PC's. But that is in English.
It somehwat may be a fact of upbring that you eentually may adjust. But do you really believe in 300 year crap? P.S. communism was launched shortly after 1917 where is 300 years here????
Communism selected entire families because one parent was a non-conformist. That meant they were targeting the genetics of the children even, To destroy that rebellious blood line. Blood lines are genetic and take time to rebuild.
The Russian woman I'm addressing should know that the hidden culture in the Communist era was large. what they have been through on a comprehensive scale.
Russian fillmmaker Andrei Tarkovsky was the greatest achievement of the last century, and he was in reaction to Communism. He was able to survive and yet advance the history of Art.
Andrei Tarkovsky was the greatest artist, a filmmaker who put Godard and the West to shame.
True, those that were simply lucky or sublime enough to survive Communism, did create the only Art of the last century, but at great cost. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 3:56:41 PM | | See, I love the filmmakers, composers and authors of the Soviet Union and pre-Soviet Russia. In the Soviet era, "bourgeois" art such as painting and sculpting was de-emphasized in favor of art of the masses. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 4:07:20 PM |
blood lines are genetic and take time to rebuild. The slaughtering nature of communism that you describe only lasted a generation. This isn't long enough to wipe out a culture's genetic structure.
It is only long enough to make people afraid. The older generation of Russians fear the consequences of standing up for themselves. The younger generation has adjusted very quickly.
It lasted three generations. From 1917 to 1987. The last Gulag closed in 1991.
No, most of the murders were committed in the initial decades. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 4:10:13 PM | In any significant The slaughtering nature of communism that you describe only lasted a generation. This isn't long enough to wipe out a culture's genetic structure.
It lasted three generations. From 1917 to 1987. The last Gulag closed in 1991.
Not totally wipe out. But destroy certain traits in a large part of the population. In time those will rebuild. This is why I say judge not too harshly Russian women today.
The younger generation has adjusted very quickly. That's what the Communist Gulag camp heads said. Nobody adjusts quickly when generations of a person's family are murdered.
The persecution of the Russian people created the 1970 era filmmaker Andrei Tarkovsky, who is the greatest artist since Michelangelo history will show.
Michelangelo created the Sistine Ceiling under death theats from the ruling regime. So did Andrei Tarkovsky.
Today the Russian people still are the most poetic on earth. That doesn't mean there aren't some shallow gold diggers in California today. There are always exceptions. Rare people. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 4:45:44 PM | No, most of the murders were committed in the initial decades. History shows the Gulags committed genocide from 1917 through to 1987. That is seven decades and it was not highest in the inital decade. I don't know why you are trying to downplay the genocide or the effects on a population.
Try to have some compassion for a people who have had to survive genocide. The Russian people are great people. To answer the OP, it's the exception, not the norm, that a Russian woman will be a gold digger. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 4:54:13 PM | Try to have some compassion for a people who have had to survive genocide. The Russian people are great people. To answer the OP, it's the exception, not the norm, that a Russian woman will be a gold digger.
Yes, now I can agree with you. These are very good people.
You began your posts in a way that was quite judgemental. Now, you are showing understanding.
Film, have your opinion, but understand that when you express an opinion within a thread like this you are flirting with danger. What does your dating preference have to do with the OP question?
I love a Russian woman. I love Russian artists and musicians. Make negative comments about these people, and I will protest. Your preference is ok so long as it isn't hateful and judgemental. I think you would have to agree that looking back at some of the responses to the OP, there are a lot of very judgemental and hateful people here on POF.
By the way, I think we may have misunderstood each other. Let's back up and start again. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 4:59:37 PM | You seemed to not know the Communist Gulags existed from 1917-1987 and committed the genocide of 50 million people, largely based on conformist criteria, which is important to understand a Russian woman.
Now, you are showing understanding. I've always had a great understanding. You didn't grant me it. I also form personal opinions on the deepest scope of Russian history and it's people.
I've said I like some American women more than Russian women in general for certain reasons. That's a judgement I'm entitled to have. It's also a judgement that is based on profound understanding of how history changes cultures, genetics, and personality traits.
Russian people and Russian women are owed compassion by us in America and Canada who stood by silently supporting their genocidal Communist regime. Russian women do deserve our time. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 5:43:02 PM | American citizenship is considered the brass ring for persons from many nations. No, I am not saying that ALL will do/say whatever it takes to obtain it. BUT, if any American finds themselves considering importing their "love" from a country where life is hardship and poverty, check out forums on specific sites, be very cautious, don't be rushed into anything by the time-limited fiance visa, don't send money and YES, proceed with caution. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 6:06:39 PM | | Post 92. The OP's question is refering to those gals who are already in this country and have a citizenship. Can we read here, hun????? I am German with a dual citizenship. It was obtained before I got married. If you read the OP post, baby-gal, what it has to do with a fiance visa??????? Xo-xo-xo. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/5/2009 6:29:26 PM | Re post 93 Just a caveat is all. I would be cautious in marrying somebody who ditched their spouse once they were able to claim US citizenship. If they used the first person to get what they coveted, I would wonder what the next item on their list is. But hey, I am a bit skeptical by nature. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/6/2009 8:59:09 AM | American women are materialistic moreso than women of other countries.
American men are the same ~ not that I'm complaining
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/6/2009 5:52:01 PM | From a Russain women. T
he former USSR was not a materialistic society. Almost every single kid whom I knew was raised in a good household with traditional system of family values.
When traditional values were formed in an early age they can't (in many cases be dropped over night). The same way as helathy eating habits that were gives to a kid since age 3. It is highly unlikely that this person will turn into a junk eater at the age of 25-30 (only because she moved to the US and junk food is availible). I do not have any Russain friends who eat junk most times. I still can care less about soda, chips, hamburgers and etc. I prefer home cooking.
Sure, we get Americanized. We have to do it in order to succeed in this country. We have to understand how the society works. But dropping core values that were formed in the early age is highly unlikely.
From all my friends whom I had over there I know solid 90% whose parents are still married. Those kids (now adults do not know what a divorce is). Becoming a dual citizen and having respect for both countries I believe my "core" values were never compromised. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 9:49:07 AM | Filmmakermike, so you are saying American women in general are less affected by commercialism because they have revolutionary blood? Soviet union was established by revolution in early 20 century. and still many Russian people are very creative, smart and courageous even after genocide and I don't understand what on earth 'the revolutionary blood of the founding of USA' has anything to do with commercialism of now 200 something years later. People all over the world now are ruled by commercialism from western countries especially from USA.
The difference between contemporary Russians and contemporary Americans is that those who were revolutionary in the Soviet Union were killed off by the Marxists, entire families, destroying those genetics for good in many cases. I think you need to appreciate that Communism's genocide was mostly about annihilating those they considered counter revolutionary, basically those who just still had a non-conformist trait in them. That didn't happen in the USA. That doesn't mean the USA is filled with American Revolutionary types, but it does mean those US bloodlines have remained intact. When 50 million of the most outspoken Russians are genocided then it does change the personality traits of the populace. That is the purpose of genocide, to remove entire families and their genes who share common traits. There are rare exceptions of those families who had the mind to be outspoken who managed to survive. However even today they can be extraordinarily cautious and afraid.
The families the Communists left were largely those who were not outspoken in political or religious beliefs, who conformed, who went to GUM and shopped. Worked and shopped. It was a low level of commercial consumerism. Not all, but much of the outspoken family traits were genocided. Russia will rebuild in time. People don't exist in historical vacuums. At least we can understand why differences exist and appreciate them.
The Marxist Communists also did this to Poland and the Polish people, genocided millions of the most outspoken.
A large part of the Russian and Polish women who come to the US today do want to conform as those are the types of genetics left after the genocide of 50 million of the non-conformist families, just as many Americans do. Conforming is material wealth, not spiritual, artistic or intellectual wealth. Solzhenitsyn and Tarkovsky are rare exceptions. The Bolshoi Ballet is conformist. That is why each Russian and Polish woman must be carefully judged on their freedom of mind, if that is important to you. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 10:11:03 AM | First of all, glad we are again getting bored and resurrecting three year old threads, can't someone have some sort of immediate, current crisis for pof to handle?
You are right in your observations. However the causes of young Russians, and I've known Russian female emigres from age 19 to 59, is that it's a fundamental genetic issue. The Gulags simply annihilated the genetic liine of any family who showed resistance, or revolutionary spirit. Those entire families and their genetic code was wiped out. 50 million people and their families. What a bunch of horse shit. There is more than one way to object to the way you live, many people managed to do quite well during Communism by being in the government. Kids with talent lived very decent lives in order to dance or play music. Religion didn't die despite the fact that it was illegal and everyone was supposed to be atheist.
Then you must consider the numbers of people that got out at various times throughout history that continued those genetic lines and those that went back after Communism ended.
Like anything else, this is a generalization. People marry for citizenship, duh. I doubt that everyone Russian or otherwise that then moved on from those marriages were doing so just to "trade up." | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 10:21:19 AM | It's always a pleasure to find the less articulate women and weed them out. Thank you.
If I wanted that language I'd date a 19 year old. Very saucy. Can you teach our daughters to speak like that. Such a brain:
What a bunch of horse shit. There is more than one way to object to the way you live, many people managed to do quite well during Communism by being in the government. Kids with talent lived very decent lives in order to dance or play music. Religion didn't die despite the fact that it was illegal and everyone was supposed to be atheist.
Then you must consider the numbers of people that got out at various times throughout history that continued those genetic lines and those that went back after Communism ended
You still need to explain the common relationship issues of why women from Communist cultures we meet are so often materialistic. Yes there are materialist, shallow minded people, in every nation and culture, however, it is not contested that the genocide of 50 million Russians based largely on conformist criteria, did impact the present day Russian woman. To deny that is to deny the effects of socialist-agenda genocide which was aimed at a personality trait.
This is the part I adore the most:
many people managed to do quite well during Communism by being in the government. You mean they were concentration Gulag camp guards and their administrators? How is being a part of genocide considered doing well, How do you define that? Just looking for some relationship morals here.
Those that did dance and play music conformed to either socialist composed approved music or didn't have a career and in the worst cases were simply sent to the Gulag to die, which happened to many artists who dared to post exhibitions which were deemed non-conformist.
There are rare exceptions, but there is also a general consensus from many American men about relationships with Russian women who were born from familes which were conformist.
The Relationship issue is we have to be patient with Russian women, understand where they came from, and do our best to bring out their true heritage. Appreciate diversity. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 10:40:22 AM | hi and just to digress here back to the origional post:
this one is a no-brainer. there are warnings all over the internet about russian women wanting to marry american men and the mulitude of related money scams, its right up there with the nigerian scams. and of course there must be many genuine russian women in the same category as we cannot generalize but do proceed with caution........ | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 11:20:42 AM | Russian woman are awesome! Can't judge....Hell, I'd marry a French woman partly for citizeship in a heartbeat! I think France is the brass ring! It wouldn't be just for that though I must confess, it's very easy to fall in love deeply with a French woman for many reasons, La France est le ciel!!! | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 12:27:10 PM |
50 million of the most outspoken Russians are genocided
What is your source for these outlandishly high numbers? You do realize that the current total population is only 141 million. Did you maybe mean 5 million. I stand by my earlier argument that most of the genocide actually occured before Stalin's death in 1953. 14 million is the larges number that I have seen. Are you suggesting that every person who passed through these camps were killed? ... and all of them failed to leave behind genes that could be passed to the next generation. I don't buy it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 1:41:26 PM | Just to understand what many Russian women have been through, their families, and culture.
Estimates are most recent as 61 million killed in the Soviet Communist system, which includes Gulags.
Lethal Politics: Soviet Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1917 www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM
The authors of the Black Book of Communism, R.J. Rummel, Norman Davies, and others have attempted to give estimates of the total number of deaths for which Communist rule of a particular state in a particular period was responsible, or the total for all states under Communist rule.
The number of people killed under Joseph Stalin's rule in the Soviet Union by 1939 has been estimated as 3.5-8 million by G. Ponton,[28] 6.6 million by V. V. Tsaplin,[29] and 10-11 million by Alec Nove.[30] The number of people killed under Joseph Stalin's rule by the time of his death in 1953 has been estimated as 20 million by The Black Book of Communism, 43 million by R. J. Rummel,[31] and 50 million by Norman Davies.[32]
Davies, Norman. Europe: A History, Harper Perennial, 1998. ISBN 0-06-097468-0.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Communist_party_rule.
Recently, you may not have been aware of it as there is nothing to buy, the Council of Europe has recognized the Communist genocide as murdered millions on January 25, 2006 in a resolution condemning the crimes of Communist regimes,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_Europe
Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly
Resolution 1481 (2006)1
Need for international condemnation of crimes of totalitarian communist regimes
1. The Parliamentary Assembly refers to its Resolution 1096 (1996) on measures to dismantle the heritage of the former communist totalitarian systems.
2. The totalitarian communist regimes which ruled in central and eastern Europe in the last century, and which are still in power in several countries in the world, have been, without exception, characterised by massive violations of human rights. The violations have differed depending on the culture, country and the historical period and have included individual and collective assassinations and executions, death in concentration camps, starvation, deportations, torture, slave labour and other forms of mass physical terror, persecution on ethnic or religious grounds, violation of freedom of conscience, thought and expression, of freedom of the press, and also lack of political pluralism.
3. The crimes were justified in the name of the class struggle theory and the principle of dictatorship of the proletariat. The interpretation of both principles legitimised the “elimination” of people who were considered harmful to the construction of a new society and, as such, enemies of the totalitarian communist regimes. A vast number of victims in every country concerned were its own nationals. It was the case particularly of the peoples of the former USSR who by far outnumbered other peoples in terms of the number of victims.
4. The Assembly recognises that, in spite of the crimes of totalitarian communist regimes, some European communist parties have made contributions to achieving democracy.
5. The fall of totalitarian communist regimes in central and eastern Europe has not been followed in all cases by an international investigation of the crimes committed by them. Moreover, the authors of these crimes have not been brought to trial by the international community,
http://assembly.coe.int/Main.asp?link=/Documents/AdoptedText/ta06/Eres1481.htm
If you read it carefully to better understand Russian women is says: " The “elimination” of people who were considered harmful to the construction of a new society and, as such, enemies of the totalitarian communist regimes." That left the conformist inherited character traits in whole families.
I think it's important to understand what genocide on that scale, when families are selected on conformist character traits, what that does to the current population. That's the only way we can love a person, is by understanding them. We cannot deny the genocide of 50 million Russian who didn't conform. There is healing to do and a certain amount of understanding.
Many Russian women today are very conformist. The non-conformists, about 50 million mostly entire families, most of the artists, poets and writers, were genocided. We cannot deny genocide of the Russians.
Seeing a person in the context of their own ethno-cultural history enables us to make appropriate decisions in terms of knowing what type of person we want in a Relationship. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/9/2009 2:14:58 PM | Good to see the man who professes to want to understand and love everyone has made a decision about the extent of my intelligence and/or character based on a single post that gasp, disagreed with him. You would also find that few people would agree with your assertion that I am one of the inarticulate.
The notion that all of the people with gumption or artistic qualities expired during Stalin is a bit far-fetched as well, even if many of them did. Because again, people do what they must to survive so the way they think and their actual aptitudes would not be absent, just subsumed. Refraining from following natural tendencies does not erase them from the gene pool, but they remained lying dormant until a time when they could again be open about their talents and intelligence.
I don't believe that Russian or eastern European women are any more materialistic than other people that have come from cultures where there was no commerce and suddenly they are in stores where there is so much, they can't make simple consumer decisions. That said, there are fewer and fewer people immigrating from the eastern bloc that experienced the great deprivation most of us associate with Communism and the Cold War period.
A friend of mine taught in Hungary after 1988 and requested care packages because many things like toilet paper, kleenex and feminine hygiene products were not available. Most of us do not think of European countries as being third world in their standard of living but they were at the time. Conversely, because the European Union worked to improve the economies of the eastern bloc countries in order to cut down on immigration to EU countries, the standards of living in most of those nations has improved a great deal.
We offered our home to a girl over the summer. She is 19, was adopted here when she was 12, she had no recollection of the Russia that 40 something Americans imagine Russia was like, so even that early, within a decade of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, there were people that had money and weren't struggling.
Painting any group with such a wide brush is not only unrealistic, it is disrespectful to everyone in that group because it assumes that there are no inherent qualities that would cause someone to work hard to achieve a better life for themselves rather than expecting it to be handed to them, and that the people that nurtured them failed in this task as well.
Many immigrants either seem to work very hard or embrace an entitlement attitude (and I'm sure most fall between those extremes); the latter I don't believe describes all Russian women that have immigrated to the United States nor all immigrants. You think you argue in support of tolerance but instead you fail to view each individual as an individual.
ou mean they were concentration Gulag camp guards and their administrators? How is being a part of genocide considered doing well, How do you define that? Just looking for some relationship morals here. Unless I am mistaken, there were government agencies outside the Gulag camps and like Orwell depicted so well, when communism was in place in the Soviet Union the government officials, artists, athletes, all lived very well from a socio-economic standpoint. Wasn't addressing morals but standard of living and the economic views that would engender. | |
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| Russian women with US citizenship Posted: 11/11/2009 9:31:39 AM | It all has to do with knowledge and details in an effort to provide a more reasonable analysis for the man thinking about dating a Russian woman.
I don't believe that Russian or eastern European women are any more materialistic than other people that have come from cultures where there was no commerce and suddenly they are in stores where there is so much, they can't make simple consumer decisions. I think genocide based on conformist criteria does affect the gene pool. Conformism can be conforming to socialism which has little variety in economic outlets, or conforming to economic consumerism of western capitalism. So instead of conforming to communism, they conform to capitalism.
If a Russian is allowed to live in the communist system because they conform to it, then when they reach the USA they will conform to capitalist and consumer principles. It's is often told how when Russia switched from idolizing the Red flag, those who were allowed to survive suddenly began weaing gold jewelry and idolized capitalist ideals. The only core value being addressed was conformism, Conforming to communism or conforming to capitalism. That is the dynamic going on after 50 million, about 25% of the population was removed, those who were the most outspoken non-conformists.
because again, people do what they must to survive so the way they think and their actual aptitudes would not be absent, just subsumed. Refraining from following natural tendencies does not erase them from the gene pool, but they remained lying dormant until a time when they could again be open about their talents and intelligence.
The trait of conforming is that of subsuming. Conforming oneself is showing extensive conformist genetic inherited character traits. The Communist state eavesdropped on private conversations between intellectuals. Saying they kept their beliefs from the public is not addressing the fact that to live, they had to keep their beliefs from their friends and mediums of notation, paper for example is important to the exercise of the intellect, though some writers used memory alone. Natural tendencies of of intelligence and talent are in fact expressed in private, which the state security listened in on. 25% of the population, the most non-conformist types, were taken out and genocided. That does affect the gene pool in terms of available character traits.
The extremely rare examples are Andrei Tarkovsky, who semi-sublimated his intellect to such a degree that his cinema advanced the art of the world. He, like Solzhenitsyn was expelled after the authorities began to understand his films.
www.ucalgary.ca/~tstronds/nostalghia.com/
The Sistine Ceiling of the Twentieth Century.
In the entire history of cinema there has never been a director, who has made such a dramatic stand for the human spirit as did Andrei Tarkovsky.
"Here we are at the threshold.
This is the most important moment of your lives.
You have to know that here your most cherished wish will come true.
The most sincere one.
The one reached through suffering."
(from STALKER)
http://archive.sensesofcinema.com/contents/directors/02/tarkovsky.html.
If you're dating a girl who came from a family that had so many inherited conformist traits, that they never spoke up against the ruling regime ever, not even in private, then she has a strong conformist genetic capability, I'm not making a judgement on whether the genetic conformist trait is better or worse, it just is.
The point would be that if you wanted a conformist, conservative, mate, then she would be appropriate for you. She could conform to communism, she can conform to capitalism. If you want a good capitalist, find a good communist who was allowed to live under communism. However I've always said there are rare exceptions, the undiscovered daughter of a Tarkovsky, or Solzhenitsyn.
Look for the rare Russian woman who has survived through great finesse of the mind and spirit.
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