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Posted: 11/24/2006 11:35:33 PM | It seems, based on the actual statistics, Australia's doing rather well.
May 25, 2006
Embargoed: 11:30 AM (AEST)
45/2006
Unlawful entry with intent, motor vehicle and other theft continue to fall
Recorded victims of unlawful entry with intent*, motor vehicle and other theft in Australia
continued to fall and were at their lowest level, according to figures released today by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS).
Comparing 2005 with 2004, the following victimisation rate decreases were recorded:
* Motor vehicle theft decreased by 9% to 397 victims per 100,000 people.
* Unlawful entry with intent decreased by 9% to 1,398 victims per 100,000 people.
* Other theft (which includes theft from people, retail premises and motor vehicles) decreased by 7% to 2,554 victims per 100,000 people.
Other findings for 2005 include:
* Although no change was recorded from 2004, homicide and related offences were at their lowest level in 2005 with 4 victims per 100,000 people.
* Kidnapping/abduction decreased by 5% to 4 victims per 100,000 people.
* A knife was the most common type of weapon used and was involved in nearly one-third of murders (30%) and attempted murders (29%) and one-fifth (19%) of robberies.
* A firearm was involved in 18% of attempted murders, 10% of murders and 5% of robberies. These figures continue to fall and are the lowest on record for these offences.
* Over one half of motor vehicle thefts occurred in a community location (53%) and over one-quarter occurred in a residential location (28%).
* People aged 15 - 19 years were more than three times more likely to be victims of robbery than the general population.
Media Note: The publication presents national crime statistics relating to victims of a selected range of offences that have been recorded by police.
* Includes break and enter; break, enter & steal; burglary; unlawful entry to structure with intent; ram raiding and smash and grab.
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/
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See also :
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html
That changes nothing in America, btw.
As I keep saying, Americans have the right to do as they wish with firearms - as long as they ensure those same firearms stay within their borders. This is one of those "untouchable" issues, that will never (at least in our lifetimes) change. It's a given, and one must live with it.
That doesn't mean that we have to live the same way, and that's our choice too. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2006 4:32:42 PM | No offence to you either, Glock22shooter, but I believe people with your type of attitude about weapons lack depth of thinking when it comes to WHY people are killing each other. You are so afraid of being a victim of firearms you feel compelled to arm yourself to the hilt. Maybe you feel the world is beyond hope but I don't, even though it looks pretty bad. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem.
I worked on an Ambulance in downtown Little Rock for 6 years, at the height of the gang wars. I know why people shoot each other. Over colors worn, 5 bucks, a pair of shoes, fake crack, etc etc etc.
As far as being afraid of being a victim, nope not at all actually. I go through life happy and confident that when God calls me up, then it's my time. Not a second before, not a second later. If it's my time to die, then I will. And I do not fear it. But chance, and I believe God, favor a prepared person. Which I am.
As far as my being "armed to the hilt", lol, you have no clue, my collection pales in comparison to most of my friends, as mine is limited to 2 digits. The main difference is this. Having been an EMT for so long, and grown up in a police family, and in competition shooting, I'm literally better trained than probably 95% of cops in this country in the use of my weapons.
As far as being part of the problem or the solution goes? I'm much more part of the solution than most. You see, if someone tries to rob me or hurt my family and they are armed. My family or myself will be the last person they ever try to rob or hurt. EVER. Pacifists give bad descriptions to police (IF THEY LIVE) who more often than not can do nothing, as the criminal goes on to terrorize more people and families. In fact, one thing that made crime drop, was when Arkansas became a "shall issue" state for concealed carry permits. Seems that knowing normal people are walking around armed, makes criminals think twice. That's part of a solution.
Do yourself a favor, go on facts, not emotions. You'll not only go a lot further in life, but you'll be more prepared when life comes at you with a 2X4, and eventually, it will. | |
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Posted: 11/26/2006 8:53:47 AM | Sure, bad crack deals, gangs, etc. on the surface appear to be the cause of criminal activity, but the facts are the majority of people who are committing crimes do so because of poverty and an overcoming sense of hopelessness, fear and depression. That is the bottom line and that is what I mean by being part of the solution. Writing your congressman and letting them know that we support better schools, education and healthcare can be a start. These types of things can help repair our infrastructure and make the future a safer place for our children.
Being armed will not prevent ME from being a victim unless I wear the weapon slung over my shoulder. I can't control fate, but I can control how I act, what I do and the kinds of situations I put myself into. I would apprectiate it if a certain fish would not assume that because I am in favor of gun control that I'm unable or unwilling to defend myself or my family and that I am unable to give a decent description to police. That is very unfair, and we all know what ASSUMING does for your reputation.
If you are smart and are aware of your surroundings when ever you are out and about, there are lots of ways to prevent yourself from becoming a victim. I still believe those people who arm themselve do so out of fear of becoming the victim. It would be much better if people look to the deeper issues of why there is crime rather that use blunt force to find a solution. (Kind of reminds me of how we got ourselves stuck in Iraq - oops that's another thread. My aplogies) | |
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Posted: 11/27/2006 6:46:47 AM | | I am not sure which of these Australia numbers to believe as what Montreal has presented are opposite what has been quoted by many, many other reliable sources that I have seen-[even many of the police headsheds and other beaurocrats in Australia refute the government's own numbers[ maybe just like the RCMP and liberals here where they got caught in their own lies]- the blunt point of the matter is that even the coalition for gun control[probably one of the more leftist socialist orgs in this country] has grudgingly conceded and [well-buried] that the recent decline in some crime numbers may NOT be due to gun control but rather due to our ageing population [not a lot of cases of 60 yr old boomers knocking off banks or becoming members of street gangs- and getting less all the time as us boomers die] Now I am not going to get into a numbers matching/pissing contest on who wrote what agreeing or refuting this or that. I guess the lesson to be learned here might be contained in the story I heard that during WW2 if Poland had as many weapons in private hands as the tiny state of Connecticut, that Hitler probably would not have invaded as the Poles were tenacious fighters but were virtually unarmed except for their meagre armed forces- CONJECTURE -YES but definitely food for sober and sane thought!!!! | |
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Posted: 11/27/2006 12:10:35 PM | Actually the reason he didn't invade Switzerland was because of the high rate of private gunownership there. So that backs up what you said.
And 4peace, 3 things.
The reason I say when your a victim you'll give a bad description to the police, is because that's what all people do.
I'd love to know how your just as prepared as I am should you be attacked but don't have a firearm. BTW, if you believe that, your only kidding yourself.
And last, maybe you should pay attention to the gun owners reasons about why he's armed instead of sticking to your own false beliefs about why a gun owner is armed. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2006 5:07:43 PM | Dear previous post...
#1 If that's what all people do, why did you specifically mention pacifists when referring to bad descriptions given to police in your post? What was your point?
#2 I never said I was as "prepared" as you are. I said if you are smart you can prevent yourself from becoming a victim.
#3 Why should I change my opinion about why millions of gun owners are armed just because of what you say? Do you speak for the majority of them? If you say yes, then you have a bigger ego than I imagined. There are many reasons why people have guns, but I will say again, that in my opinion, the biggest reason is because they are afraid of becoming a victim themselves. The second biggest reason (in my opinion) is they want to or are considering committing crimes against society. (BTW, I didn't say ALL gun owners are afraid, and lord knows you aren't. I said the biggest reason which means there are other reasons and I believe that the majority of the people don't fall into the same category that you do.)
I will reiterate that I believe (my opinion) we need to address the underlying problems of society which are poverty, lack of education and good healthcare. This results in hopelessness, fear and depression, which in turn leads to criminal activity. If these problems weren't so big right now many would not feel the need to be armed in the first place.
Now, if you are worried about a civil war or your country being invaded, that is another thread. I believe the original intent of this post was to address internal violence within a country due to the overwhelming access to guns. Perhaps you should consider starting a different thread to address arming oneself to defend your homeland? That would be pretty interesting, if it didn’t get deleted. | |
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Posted: 11/27/2006 5:53:49 PM | Democracies exist all over the planet, in countries where gun ownership is strictly controlled. Ballots, not bullets, decide democracy's fate.
As I've said many times, I live in a country where we are not heavily armed.  People have guns primarily to hunt, and target shoot - not to kill others, nor to defend democracy.
That's a function of our society, it's history, beliefs and strengths, and cannot be transposed into the American lifestyle for many reasons. That's just the way it is.
America is the exception to the general rule of society in most Western democratic countries, and Americans certainly have every right to do with guns as they will. It's their choice, and no one elses. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 6:09:40 PM | Wow, I cant believe I am sooo late on this post.
First off I want to say that my screen name was chosin because I am an avid gun collector. I have read every post in this thread and I agree with alot of the views here. I know that this is a touchy subject for some people but I want to add this in for all the good law abiding citizens in MY country. The next time an anti gunner tells you that guns kill people, tell them to get the F@@K OUT OF YOUR COUNTRY.
Many of my relatives died, yes I mean died for all Americans to protect our way of life. In WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and deset storm they faught like hell and some died with no regrets, for you and me.
I know that this is a bit off the subject but have to put this in. God bless all the vets and a personal thanks to my great uncle John for being in the first wave at Normandy on D-Day.
And also my great uncle joe for giving his life in Germany. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 8:22:25 PM | With all due respect to your deceased relatives.. guns do kill people. Ask my neighbor who's little daughter killed herself with a firearm.
In addition, we should look at where our society is heading...violence is not the answer.
I'd like to see some ideas of how we can move our society (and the world) towards peaceful coexistence.. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2006 3:24:38 PM | 4Peace, This is for you.
Thank you for your comment on the relatives. I wish I could agree with you on the "guns killing people", but I dont. I do agree with you on peace but that will NEVER happen. It is in our nature and our evolution. You can not deny 5 million years of evolution. We will always be violent, This is not my rule, It is a scientific fact.
I think one of the problems with Amrican society is that too many of us are living in a dream world. We dont like to accept reality. I say to those people; TOO BAD, GO CRY IN A CORNER THEN, AND LEAVE THE DECISIONS UP TO THE STRONG WHO ACCEPT LIFE AS IT IS.
The fact of the matter is BAD THINGS HAPPEN, life is hard and thier is always someone out there that does not respect life like we do. Now you may be saying, How could I respect life if I would kill someone. The answer is simple. I have 3 children, If someone was going to bring upon death to any of them including myself, I would pull the trigger. I would not regret it. Nor would I lose a seconds sleep over it. The same goes for my country and to protect OUR way of life.
I love America and would give my life for it without a seconds hesitation. I say this because this directly effects the gun issues. If we give our guns up then the criminals and the government have total control. So you see, Keeping the population armed is inadvertinly keeping OUR country safe.
As for the little girl, this is a tragedy and I will be saddend for awhile from hearing this. My prayers go out to the family. But giving up the guns for this reason would not be right. That would be like saying cars kill people, and I never met a car that wanted to kill a child but children do get in accidents and they do die. I have no answers for the gun safety issues and I would never hope this happens again.
The last thing is that I respect you and your comments, just because we dont agree on some issues I think about what you say and it makes us all think a little more. | |
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Posted: 12/2/2006 4:20:05 PM |
I love America and would give my life for it without a seconds hesitation. I say this because this directly effects the gun issues. If we give our guns up then the criminals and the government have total control. So you see, Keeping the population armed is inadvertinly keeping OUR country safe.
As I've said, the way you handle guns is entirely your decision. That said, in reference to your above statement, why isn't Canada being overrun by dastardly scheming criminals who take advantage of our lack of arms, and less police and prisons ?
If your logic is correct, then that should happen not only in Canada, but in every other western democratic state that enforces strict controls over firearms. That isn't the case, and it proves that the right to have very easy access (in comparison to those other countries) isn't the deciding factor on how safe you are.
Without that easy access, far less Canadians die from criminal acts than they do there. Stranger on stranger firearm homicide is almost unknown here. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 3:46:16 AM | its people and not guns, guns just make it easier.....
but, a gun society, is a gun accepting society.
We have had a record 3 shootings in 3 weeks in Birmingham, its not much in the grand scheme of world shootings, but its massive in Britain. We are all horrified and appalled over here, and the crackdown is beginning. Without guns, and with education you can stifle gun crime....
Still, when does the US ever listen to a non US theory on life! | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 5:58:25 AM | I really don't care how many people get killed in random shootings--MORE are murdered worldwide by government militia's and US/Canadian sponsored dictatorships like in Haiti or Indonesia.
South Africa,Nicaragua,Cuba,Vietnam and of course the USA...
In most cases -History proves that guns are the only thing that will put sadistic dictators in their place.
VIOLENT crime like the one described in the header--have been in a statistical decline for decades while-conspicuously--government sponsored terror/state oppression has been seen a sharp INCLINE | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 6:52:59 AM | History proves that guns are the only thing that will put sadistic dictators in their place.
Iraq has very liberal gun laws, and had under Hussein. That's typical of a lot of the Arab world , generally. It hasn't made any difference to the ruling party, who will always outgun the population.
I think Late said it best (if I remember correctly) that if you are at the point where you need firearms to take back your government from an oppressive dictator - it's already way too late. Bullets should never take the place of ballots.
MYTH:Gun ownership is a protection against political tyranny.
TRUTH: Private ownership of guns was very common under Saddam Hussein's regime (source).It certainly didn't protect the Iraqi people against political tyranny. Gun control laws were enacted in Germany to disarm Hitler and those in the Nazi militia. In that case, gun control was a protection against political tyranny.
http://www.guninformation.org/
Any US citizen that thinks that they can take back their government with firearms, against the technology present today is delusional. I always laugh when people get all stressed out about gun registries, and how they may reveal the ownership of weapons. Most of the law abiding American citizens I know are quite vocal about their guns, and talk about them often. Anyone that wanted to take a substantial amount of firearms out of the hands of US citizens would just have to get the membership list of the NRA, and visit every shooting range and get those memberships too.
Anyone with an NRA T-shirt, hat or bumper sticker would be fair game too. 
All those pro-gun websites....a trail right to the door of the "defenders of the nation".
Big Brother 1 - Potential American Insurgents 0
Just banning ammunition and black powder would quickly draw a rather short conclusion to any insurrection. Without those (and not many hand load their own bullets) , all you have are really expensive clubs made of metal and wood.
The entire concept of "Red Dawning" your way to overthrowing a dictator with firearms is a no go. They don't even do that in Iraq. They rely on IED's and suicide bombers - which are far more effective than a firearm against a force with vastly superior technology.
It isn't 1776 anymore.
Does anyone have even ONE example of a population ever being able to do this in modern times, where this technological gap is so great between the government and it's citizens ? | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 7:38:42 AM |
Iraq has very liberal gun laws, and had under Hussein.
Yeah-well -if you BELIEVE that Iraq was a "dictatorship" on par with Indonesia/Vietnam under Diem/Guatemala under Rios Montt/Haiti or Aparthied era South Africa --->than I got some WMD's and Yellow Cake from Niger for sale.
Sorry Dude-
Your critique is based on some VERY WEAK assumptions and PATHETIC propaganda. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 5:12:50 PM | I agree with JUGGERNAUT. Tell it like it is brother.
One more thing to add,,,,,,Isnt it funny how when they do these studies they can come up with an answer based on the political party. Theres only one version of the truth people.
I thought I should add this also. Canada has different problems then America. your talking apples and oranges. | |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 5:27:14 PM |
Canada has different problems then America. your talking apples and oranges.
Already addressed, several times, on every single page of this thread -
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Contrary to what most believe in the US, we can own firearms in Canada, and gun control isn't "new" here, nor is ownership a right, this isn't new either, both have been around since before Confederation.
Our society evolved along different lines, and like it or not, though cars kill more people than guns in the US.
Guns kill 15X per capita in the U.S. than they do in Canada and firearms are only in 4X per capita more homes in the U.S. than Canada...
Our view of gun ownership as a privilege is part of the cultural divergence between our two countries and it's a fundamental difference that goes back centuries.
Our way can't be used in the U.S., just as your way wouldn't work here....
That boat left the dock a loooong time ago.
Is our way better?
It is ....for Canada.
I don't believe private firearm ownership can protect you from an oppressive government as effectively as being vigilant concerning letting them get their foot in the door to violate rights under the guise of security, and the smoke and mirrors of the politics of fear.
The weapons to prevent this aren't made of blue steel...
The ammo, ....doesn't come in bullets, ....it comes in the form of a skeptical electorate. And, in regards to this weapon, ...from the outside looking in?
It looks like your most effective weapons against an oppressive government have beed eroded, both by administrative malfeasance and fraud, ...and a much too powerful corporate hegemony lobby.
Guns don't protect people (from oppressive administrations), people protect people.
An uninformed electorate is a faster way to oppress an electorate, it renders firearm ownership moot. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2007 3:06:07 PM | | If you look harder at gun crimes in Austriala you'd know after they banned guns violent crime especially home invasions sky rocketed.If you outlaw guns only outlaws have them.Canada and Britian are having a real problem now with knife related murders.I live near Edmonton the murder capital for Canada and the number one weapon used? knives.Eventually people will pull thier heads out of thier butts and see PEOPLE are the problem not weapons.Society is becoming more criminalistic,violent and sociopathic.I think the adults now that do this stuff are the daycare generation of the 80s.No morals,values ect There is more road rage now what do you want to do ban cars? | |
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Posted: 1/12/2007 6:56:14 PM | Sorry, all you folk who want private firearms outlawed, but I'm one of those that wound up using one to defend himself. In 1987, the state of Florida instituted the first concealed carry law, and our violent crime in Florida dropped dramatically. 25 other states followed suite over the years, and the same happened in those states.
In my case, it was a home invasion, and my weapon of choice was a slide-action shotgun. Fortunately, the individual who broke into my home heard the slide-action being worked (it makes an unmistakable sound) and tucked tail, beating a retreat out the way he came in. The cops arrived 20 minutes later, in response to my 911 call, but without that weapon, I don't think it would have been a simple "home invasion."
So, go tell someone else that private firearms should be outlawed, I'll never agree. Having that weapon probably saved my life. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2007 7:09:46 PM | "I will reiterate that I believe (my opinion) we need to address the underlying problems of society which are poverty, lack of education and good healthcare. This results in hopelessness, fear and depression, which in turn leads to criminal activity. If these problems weren't so big right now many would not feel the need to be armed in the first place."
-- Tell you what, while you're working on all these very noble things, im with Glock22 - its not about fear, its about the reality that there are some folks out there who just don't care about whether you live or die. I too spent 4 years as an EMT in Boston and New Hampshire - I know a thing or 2 about why people kill each other - some of the things that you mentioned in terms of being hopeless etc are in fact true....however, there are those out there who are just plain evil and need no more a reason to kill or harm others than their own boredom.
Guns and their access are NOT the problem - a societal breakdown and a cheapening of the value of life IS. Until you can address that and cure that, there will always be a need for firearms. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2007 10:01:15 PM |
With all due respect to your deceased relatives.. guns do kill people. Ask my neighbor who's little daughter killed herself with a firearm.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. It’s terrible to here of a child's death.
The statement that "guns kill people" That was the irresponsible owner that killed this child not the gun.
I would be horrified to learn that my irresponsibility killed an innocent child related to a gun or anything else.
I am a gun owner in the states. I believe that some gun laws are ineffective. I don’t believe in Banning guns. There are many good reasons why responsible law abiding citizens own guns and that’s their choice.
You can get rid of the guns but you can’t get rid of the ‘ways’ people with intent kill. Readily available things such as fertilizer I never even thought about this being used as a weapon. But someone else did. Someone else will find another way and so on and so on. People kill People.
Find a way for piece on earth and the problem of guns are non existent. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2007 6:56:27 AM | Guns and their access are NOT the problem
its not shovels people are shooting each other with is it? and If people kill people not guns, then letting some people have access to guns IS a problem.
if two people with guns have a fight, one will probably end up dead. If they have no guns then one, more then likely, end up beaten up.
I live where guns were always considered tools for hunting, not status symbols, penis extensions. A place where you could live without the fear of getting shot til a few years ago when we started letting too many american criminals (just look at toronto, now) in because of our lax immigration policies. handguns, assault rifles, smgs are designed and built for one purpose only and that is to kill your neighbor.
glock22shooter: you saw why gang bangers and junkies kill each other, doesn't mean everyone and everyplace is like that. in this gang war I guess they were what, throwing baseballs at each other? no they were shooting each other. with guns. which they had access too
what it comes down too is that there are far too many guns in the hands of far too many of the wrong people. and considering how f.d up people are thats most of them. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2007 11:28:38 AM | It still remains a societal problem as opposed to a weapons availability issue. People are just driven to kill each other - independant of the firearm. Its funny the topic of so called 'assault rifles' seems to always rear its ugly head in these discussions - for one thing, its incredibly rare unless we are talking MS13 or the olden day crips and bloods, to see an AR-15 or an AK-47 clone utilized in a crime. When they ARE used however, the TV news goes on a blitz and uses terms like 'epidemic' and 'war zone.'
Fear and paranoia, long used as barbs to describe law abiding gun owners, seems to be more the pervasive emotion felt on the anti gun side. Its not the use of the so called 'black guns' that is most common - more often than not, you're seeing people shooting others with .25 pistols, .38s and especially the .22. Where I worked as an EMT, I saw gunshot wounds a lot - never was it some idiot with an AK47.
Logistically too - the autoloader (semi automatic is NOT full auto) is NOT something a killer uses these days - shell casings are considered EVIDENCE - even the dimmest gang banger watches CSI and knows that beyond David Caruso's self righteous poor acting, there is some truth to the show. Youre going to see more shootings done with revolvers and with weapons that don't leave evidence readily available.
But back to my point - the guns are NOT the problem - some of what the 4Peace chick said was right - people committing crimes and why, is something that ought to be looked at. People like me and presumably others on the board, own guns for sport, collecting AND sel defense. Its not out of fear, as the Michael Moores of the world charge, its out of respect for the weapon and an genuine interest as well as an insurance policy. IF you dont like guns, DONT GET ONE!! its that easy, but to say that I shouldnt own something or that a certain gun is not neccessary for me as a civilian to own is hogwash! Im not part of the problem. | |
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Posted: 1/13/2007 1:02:40 PM | It still remains a societal problem as opposed to a weapons availability issue. People are just driven to kill each other - independant of the firearm.
That's true, but it's just so much easier with a gun. How many drive-by stabbings have occurred ? How many people do you know that have accidently stabbed themselves fatally, or done the same to others ? 
I don't think many people would be for a total ban on all firearms. Most people realize that there are a lot of responsible gun owners out there, for many valid reasons. In fact, that's probably the overwhelming majority.
If those people would allow better control over firearms, and the ability to find and eliminate those people who should not own them, then everyone would benefit.
Although, for reasons already discussed, things like Canadian laws can never be instituted there - I think we've shown that they work. That's, again, not simply because of our laws. It's because of our culture and history - and our laws.
You will never eliminate gun deaths, but you can vastly reduce them. That doesn't have to incur much of a sacrifice for all those good firearms owners out there. Guns, like cars, can be registered and regulated. People can be required to have licenses, with real training. All guns (perhaps not shot guns) could be fired before being owned by someone, and the bullets kept in a national registry.
A Canadian company, Forensic Technology, has produced equipment to make tracking of fired bullets something easily and quickly done with computerized equipment.
Those things are the hallmark of responsible gun ownership. It's a bit like smokers realizing that non-smokers have rights too, and accepting some sacrifice for what they do.
Gun owners, above all people, should make things better by raising the bar. They are the ones that all too often pay because others misuse firearms. Ensuring that that is lessened makes the world safer for everyone. | |
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Posted: 1/14/2007 12:18:57 PM | I have stated this in a different forum, so I'm sorry I'm repeatative, but ANYONE can buy a gun...doesn't matter if they have a record of mental illness or not...all they have to do is lie...and they aren't required to learn how to use it. Just because I think you should be required to learn how a gun works, doesn't mean I am against guns. Yes we all have the right to bear arms, but don't tell me you shouldn't have to know how to use them. If you think you're doing the responsible thing when you can walk in and pick out whatever you like, then walk out with no training, you're a fool. You are putting yourself in danger and anyone that comes into contact with you.
Would you feel comfortable that all our police never had to learn to shoot? That our soldiers went over with a "here ya go...good luck with that.." and no training?
We should be allowed to defend ourselves. But we should know HOW to defend ourselves.
And btw, I was a victim once, and I was able to draw the guy. So don't assume every victim is unable to help out in that way, either. | |
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