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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 1/24/2007 10:47:56 PM | It depends on where the nudity is taking place. The human body is wonderous to look upon especially during intimate moments but clothing has its purpose and is important. You can not give birth to a child wearing underware or adaquately cleanse your body wearing clothes in the shower. Nor is it a good idea to walk around with your body exposed to the intensity of the elements. As other previous posters have described, there are also times when having your stuff hanging out is just plain distracting. Besides, sometimes leaving something to the imagination can often be more interesting.
If we look at it from a biblical standpoint, perhaps Adam and Eve were in a temperture controlled invironment. When they had to leave the garden they needed animal skin clothing to protect their bodies.
On a side note...as for eating the fruit goes, it was bound to happen. Adam and Eve were like children. Many times you have to tell a child "Don't touch that it is hot!" Or "Don't eat that, it is poisonous!" As a little child, after numerous warnings, I have even stuck my finger in an electrical outlet because I just had to know why I could not do that.
panic_attaque, you are in the "Religion" forum. *Raises an eyebrow* | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 1/25/2007 4:55:58 AM | mr december, while it's true that skin that has limited exposure to the elements tends to stay young-looking much longer, this is not wht the OP was talking about. I, too, grew up in Europe (Germany) and the attitude towards nudity was a lot more relaxed then (in the '60s and '70s) than it is here in the US now. I saw my parents naked all the time... no big deal. If nudity were a lot more common (hypothetically speaking), there would not be more rapes and more children molested. This is a myth and based on faulty logic. You seem to equate nudity with sex. I once saw a documentary about a 'primitive' tribe of people living in the jungle of South America, they all go naked, all the time, and just go about their business, they're not aroused all the time, or anything like that, it's just natural to them. Women breastfeed right there, no need to cover anything up. To say that nudists are perverts in disguise is just ignorant.
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 1/25/2007 8:57:02 AM |
The skin of a body which is constantly covered by clothes, keeps elasticity, elasticity, freshness, than a skin on the open parts of a body much longer. " Taken from some skin care information science.
Missleading information (what do you expect form a comercial). read it carefully, it states, that the skin around the face and hands and feet loose thier elasticity faster than the skin around the belly or back. It actualy has nothing to do with clothes, but to do with the difrences in the skin types across the body.
I do not know of any studies that have been done on wether or not the belly skin is more or less elastic dependant on how much time it spends exposed to the elements. Just look at all the lasses nowerdays who spend thier lives with thier midrift showing and thier skin is still supple and firm, I doubt clothing makes a difrence one way or the other to the quality of our skin.
In the middle east, a bare ankle may drive some men wild with desire because they don't see them very often, but to us it's nothing.
Not true, bare ankles are not considered any more sexual than any other part of the body in the middle east.
What is true, is that difrent societies have eroticised difrent parts of the body throughout history.
In Japan, it was traditionaly the foot that was erotisiced and a culture of foot binding and sliperwearing began.
In Germany, during the middle ages, it was diferent parts of the legs at diferent times, women were expected to wear long leggings and many layers of skirts ot cover thier legs, yet they could get away with showing all of thier breasts in public.
In France and britain around the enlightenment, it was the lower arm, specificaly the wrist, women had to wear long sleved gloves, yet were alowed to show off thier ample clevage and as much of thier back as they liked, with impunity. Show thier wrists and they would be ostracised from popular society.
The parts of the body we erotisice are entirely arbitrary, personaly I like womens necks and bums and care little for breasts, others care little for bums and focus entirely on the breasts.
So why if it is arbitrary, must we cover only parts of the body? There are people out thier who have erotic fixations on the ears, or the eyes, or the wrists. So why is it ok to show these parts of the body and not others?
It would makes life easier for rapists and child molestors. It's only a good idea for size shoppers though.
How so exactly? Care to explain this or are you just making inflamitory, judgmental remarks to get a reaction?
There are many societies worldwide where nudity is still aceptable. Many tribal societies in Africa and other areas, still go around with little to no body covering at all and yet do not have any more crimes than any other society. In fact statisticaly, you are less likely to be raped in a tribal society where they wear little clothing, than in one where you were more. This probably has nothing to do with the clothing itself, just a function of the way those societies interact, but the fact is that nudity dose not increase rapes or crimes of violence or any such behaviours.
It is a big deal and not all places in Europe have those. yes it is a big deal. They just brag about it at the end of the day.
Its not just Europe, we here in Briatain have Nudist beaches around the coast of England and people do not go on about it here. In fact very few people actualy realise that there are nudist beaches in Britain.
In Scotland, you can go nude on ANY beach or in fact anywhere so long as you are not harrasing people. The walker that walked across Britain in the nude, was only arested in Scotland on Public Order charges. (Breach of the peace, Section 17 Public Order, and something else that I can not recal).
In America, they do not have any beaches where it is legal to go nude, but they probably won't prosecute you for doing so if you are not bothering anyone. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 1/25/2007 10:43:02 AM | Just to clarify, Bright1Raziel, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of places in the US where it is not only acceptable but legal to go nude. They range from small sections of river to large swatches of oceanfront. Some are legally designated as clothing optional/nude; others are just managed as such due to a long tradition of optional/nude use. These sites vary from federal lands to county/municipal parks. And of course, there are many private properties where clothing optional/nude usage is an accepted everyday occurrence.
Many (most) states have ruled that if men can go without shirts legally, so can women. Many have ruled that total nudity is not indecent exposure or public indecency, as long as it is not accompanied by lewd behaviour. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/1/2007 11:42:19 PM | | As reasonable as your claims sound PaganGoddess77 I have a hard time believing that we have any states which permit female nipples or genitals of any kind to be exposed in public places. There may be a few nude parks around the country but not that many. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/2/2007 12:37:14 AM | I saw this old man a few summers ago...it was a brutally hot day around +35 (80F for you Americans). He must have been close 80. He was walking around with no shirt on, all wrinkly, skin hanging off everywhere. It was a real turn off. There are some instances where nudity should be outlawed. Would you want to see your parents at aged 80, walking around naked? Sorry for the nightmares!! haha.
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Posted: 2/8/2007 9:15:45 PM | Yeah they should wear mask to cover their wrinkly faces too  . I'm still voting for covering up the "naked eye" instead.
Do you really think whatever most people view as ugly in nature should be outlawed? Why don't we outlaw mud? It's ugly and wouldn't designer concrete be much prettier than mud anyway? | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/10/2007 10:20:17 PM | It all goes back to when Adam and Eve were around. You see from what i've learned and what it says i the bible in the book of Genesis 1:27 man was made in the image of God. Therefore we were made to be perfect,,,,because God is perfect.
When we were free of sin we were not ashamed because we didn't know there was a right or wrong, therefore no shame. But after the Fall, when man sinned and ate the fruit off the forbiddin tree Adam and Eve had to explain this to God, and in Genesis 3:21 it says God made garments for them to wear. I'm thinking this was Him showing them they should be ashamed.......and from then he said the women would have pain when they gave birth and man would have to work hard to live. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/21/2007 4:43:33 PM | from tim4925 "As reasonable as your claims sound PaganGoddess77 I have a hard time believing that we have any states which permit female nipples or genitals of any kind to be exposed in public places. There may be a few nude parks around the country but not that many."
I guess you would be completely surprised then. In the US and Canada there are many such locations google AANR (American Association for Nude Recreation) or FCN (Federation of Canadian Nudists) at either site you will find listing for a hugh number of "officially recognised" or "landed" clubs. In addition they have info and links to further info and resources. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/22/2007 11:05:04 AM | there isn't anything wrong with nudity. if there were we'd be born with tuxedos, batsuits, or enormous amounts of hair.
clothes are pretty practical, though, so most of the time it makes sense to wear them.
We covet what we see. If a woman wears loose fitting clothes that don't reveal her figure, if she covers her hair, if she covers her face, we cannot see her, therefore we cannot covet her physical form.
cribbing lines from hannibal lecter, i see.
what if she has a sexy voice? should we cut out her tongue? cuz you know, us men, we'll rail our neighbors wives any chance we get. i mean, we're really just brutes with no sense of accountability or reason at all. we lose control, that's it, man. they're ASKING for a raping. whores.
maybe we should just not even look at women all together. in fact, let's cloister them up while we get drunk and celebrate saturnalia in various symposiums. they can come out to cook dinner and have sex with us though (when we aren't having sex with each other, of course) ;) | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/22/2007 1:04:57 PM |
mr december, while it's true that skin that has limited exposure to the elements tends to stay young-looking much longer, this is not wht the OP was talking about. I, too, grew up in Europe (Germany) and the attitude towards nudity was a lot more relaxed then (in the '60s and '70s) than it is here in the US now. I saw my parents naked all the time... no big deal. If nudity were a lot more common (hypothetically speaking), there would not be more rapes and more children molested. This is a myth and based on faulty logic. You seem to equate nudity with sex. I once saw a documentary about a 'primitive' tribe of people living in the jungle of South America, they all go naked, all the time, and just go about their business, they're not aroused all the time, or anything like that, it's just natural to them. Women breastfeed right there, no need to cover anything up. To say that nudists are perverts in disguise is just ignorant.
You obviously have absolutley no clue what your talking about. If women and men here in the U.S walked around naked you couldnt have prisons for rapists built fast enough. Hell these days mean drool over a little clevage from a big breasted woman or stare at her azz in tight pants. Now can you imaging a group of guys in a society that is not used to women walking around naked and then all of the sudden seeing naked women everywhere? | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 2/23/2007 12:18:33 PM |
and then all of the sudden seeing naked women everywhere?
Yep...at first it would be a real shocker as we have "dirty" thoughts enter our minds making baby jesus cry. On cue our grandmother's shrilly little voices would remind us that dirty pictures turn little boys to stone.
WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE SEX with some of these naked women!!!!
Then we would realize that the thoughts would fade and we just got an erection and weren't turned to stone. We probably wouldn't have any more of a desire for sex than we did before the clothing came off.
The point is that right now...yep...we are taught that the Devil lives between our legs and that really needs to stop.
It's gotten to the point that people are getting some serious complexes over something very natural.
Hell these days mean drool over a little clevage from a big breasted woman or stare at her azz in tight pants.
Yeah it's pathetic, but covering up the "problem" (which it's not a problem) hasn't been working now has it. For some strange reason people still want to have sex.
People need to accept the more you and fight against your sexual urges, the more control they have over you. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 3/2/2007 12:01:50 PM |
If women and men here in the U.S walked around naked you couldnt have prisons for rapists built fast enough.
So you think that ALL of those people who go to swingers clubs, nudist retreats, or even just couples who spend time naked at home, are rapists, constantly screwinjg each others brains out?
Well I don't know about you, but when I see a naked woman, my first though is not, "My GODS, She is gagging for it! I would LOVE to rape her!" but then of course I might be unusual in that respect, you know, the one of not wanting to rape every woman I see! It might be because I have this little thing called SELF RESTRAINT.
It realy dose worry me how many people think that nudity leads to rape! In my experiance, nudity outside of a couples situation, most often leads to embaresment.
Hell these days mean drool over a little clevage from a big breasted woman or stare at her azz in tight pants.
What do you mean these days? Men have always done that... and here is a little secret for you... don't tell anyone, but women do it too. Oh the number of times I have caught a lass in the pub staring at my bum or thighs or chest. And you know what, I like them looking, as do most women. If they did not want to be looked at, they would not wear thier push up bra and tight top, and wear the nice comfy bra and warm jumper they got fro christamass.
People flaunt what they have and other people look, its as natural as breathing, there is not a single species of animal that dose not do the same thing.
Now can you imaging a group of guys in a society that is not used to women walking around naked and then all of the sudden seeing naked women everywhere?
Yes I can, I have been on holiday to Spain and France and seen the USAmericans barely able to keep thier eyes in thier heads. I have even had to warn a guy before that he could get arrested for lude behariour because he couldn't stop staring at this woman on the beach.
And you know something, most of the people i've met who are not ussed to nudity, are very quick to adjust. They get embarased by it at first, then after a short while it just becomes normal and they stop focusing on the nudity.
Oh and by the way, I should proably point out that so far, NO ONE has sugested that everyone in the USA should go nude all of the time, that would be rediculous, those poor Alaskans would freeze thier peckers off, and Las Vegas would start to make half its profits on Burn Lotion alone!
What we are saying, is that Nudity is not inherently wrong, it dose not make people into uncontrolable sex maniacs or pedopholes or anything of the sort. Nudists are not perverts, the people who think that have some deep rooted emotional issues that need to be resoved through therapy. | |
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Posted: 3/2/2007 1:01:19 PM | If women and men here in the U.S walked around naked you couldnt have prisons for rapists built fast enough.
I don't think I'd want to see naked people walking anywhere... it's a private thing isn't it? Personally, I'd be embarrassed. The act of rape is committed by those who are sexually underdeveloped in the art of self-restraint. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 3/2/2007 1:15:58 PM |
IMO, sins will be measured in direct proportion to the damage it produces. If damage were not present or minimal then sin would not be there or would be minimal as well.
so a fight breaks out and 4 guys go outside.... 2 brothers agaisnt 2 strangers. brother 1 hits stranger 1 in the mouth as hard as he can. stranger 1 falls; shakes his head and gets back up
brother 2 hits stranger 2 in the mouth as hard as he can. stranger 2 falls and he passes out and dies.
so the sin of brother 2 is greater than the sin of brother 1? | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 3/14/2007 8:23:51 AM | | If nudity was socially acceptable, then people of the world would get along much better. There would be nothing to hide, all to show and people would feel much more confident. Sorry guys, but christianity is largely responsible for the shunning of nudity. Once it was largely fashionable to wear little or no clothes. To show yourself in public meant that you were not afraid to be yourself and showed other that you had nothing to hide. When the greeks first encountered egyptians, they were horrified to see that people where not only not wearing clothes, but openly showing their sexuality in public - men and women alike. Likewise the egyptians immediatly branded the greeks as barbarians as filthy liars, thieves and murderers (remember that in a society like that, clothing yourself was shunned. being aroused when talkign to someone was considered a massive compliment kind of like saying "You're hot!!!" nowadays). Since there was no way for them to tell if someone was lying when they were fully clothed. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2007 8:26:46 AM |
You obviously have absolutley no clue what your talking about. If women and men here in the U.S walked around naked you couldnt have prisons for rapists built fast enough. Hell these days mean drool over a little clevage from a big breasted woman or stare at her azz in tight pants. Now can you imaging a group of guys in a society that is not used to women walking around naked and then all of the sudden seeing naked women everywhere?
You are wrong about that, if both men and women were naked in public, there there would be far less molesters and rapists in the world. If you can already see everything, why would there be reason to rape somebody? Sorry to put it that way, but thats how it is. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2007 8:38:06 AM | Of all the people that quoted "If women and men here in the U.S walked around naked you couldnt have prisons for rapists built fast enough" nobody mentioned the many cultures around the world where people walk around naked or nearly-naked, cultures that are virtually rape-free.
Nor did anyone mention that rape isn't about sex. If a guy just wanted sex, he'd use a hooker. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 3/14/2007 9:56:04 AM | what is wrong with nudity?
been to an american beach lately? whats wrong with nudity is the bodies beneath most apparel. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2007 12:45:00 PM | | There is nothing wrong with nudity! I wish it was legal be be nude if you so desire. Clothig was made for prtection like agaist the weather, in some jobs, ect. It was the church who declared it a sin. The missionaries said the natives should cover the tops on a female. That it was not propper to have the women goig topless. Why the hell not? A man can be top free, and a woman can not, hell I have seen some men with bigger boobs than some girls. If someone does not want to see a person naked then he or she can look the other way. It would become normal to see a person nude and then when a person did have clothing on then they would then become more interesting than the person who is naked. There are nudist camps where this is the norm. Would you believe that the crime rate and sex crimes are lower in them than any other place? If I had my way I would be nude most of the time. | |
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Posted: 3/14/2007 12:49:00 PM | ha ha I don't think anyone who calls themself drivenaked is impartial on the subject  | |
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Posted: 3/15/2007 5:43:29 AM | Did you come into the world naked? Will you go out the same way?
point 1) If it's cold wrap up
point 2) If it dang hot, strip! lol
point 3) just make sure you're with the 'right other' when you do!
point 4) enjoy 
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