| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/16/2008 6:51:26 AM |
so you're saying imperfect bodies should cover up and perfect bodies are ok?
If that was asked of me, I think you need to read the quite obvious self-mocking tone. I'm quite comfrotable in my own skin and enjoy nudity, but I also appreciate what the sight of an overweight 53 year old lily-white male may do to the tender sensibilities of my elderly neghbours so I always wear shorts when I do laundry.
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/17/2008 4:37:31 AM | | if nudity wasnt such a big issue i believe it would cut down on rape if you at the countries that have nude beache or nudity on tv after awhile you wouldnt think anything of it | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/17/2008 5:19:18 AM | | It in not against the law just against sanity in cold CO but we still have our rainbow people. | |
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Posted: 8/18/2008 11:19:29 PM | Other then being too cold and having your skin unprotected and sagging a lot I really don't see anything morally wrong with it, if it was natural in our society. I'd prefer to wear something. I would think it was us and not God that have shamed ourselves of our bodies and the fact that we have been accustomed to covering ourselves up for a very long time. So of course we would be uncomfortable of something out of the ordinary. That's society for you. I myself love wearing clothes most of the time (especially vintage wear) and wouldn't really want to have or see tits and dongs nearly sagging down to the floor. Talk about having a bad back and tripping over those puppies.
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/19/2008 7:30:37 PM | I tried to reply earlier but the 'more than 2 posts in 10' rule prevented me - why i've seen folks that post 3 in 5 is beyond me, but nevertheless
romanticoptimist, you stated...
'But I do agree that some people would do better to cover up'
'some' people implies more than oneself but yes i did see the self mocking tone and i personally feel the same about myself strutting around nude amongst a crowd, but that's my own hang up and nothing to do with with others feeling comfortable in their 'skin'
with those feeling comfortable doing it, i see nothing wrong with it regardless of their less than perfect physique | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/20/2008 2:38:27 PM | Nothing more beautiful that the human body naked. Im a fine art pencil portrait artist and I specialise in nudity and erotica...no Im not a pervert.
Nor am I a christian, but for those of you who are, according to your bible didnt your god make man in her own likeness? Does this mean your god is ashamed of the way she looks ( yes thats right a she IMO).
There is nothing nicer on a warm summers night to lay naked in the grass watching the stars, I think that the majoirty of people are just way too prudish.
Why should someone who has faith in this god want to hide away ( ok..there are times and places...) something that they have been given that works so beuatifully? | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/22/2008 6:31:33 AM | If I'm not mistaken, the ancient Romans had public baths wherein everyone was naked. No big deal.If their society degenerated, it was not due to nudity. However, since our modern society has made nudity taboo, it would be extremely difficult to return to an acceptance of public nudity.
In Art, (and, IMO, the entire world) there is nothing more beauitiful than the nude female body. Guys like it (even gay ones!) and women like it (even straight ones). When presented in the context of "art", nobody objects to nudity.
I've been to a nudist colony and found it was anti-erotic (my fear of walking around with a perpetual erection proved to be unfounded). However, I was uncomfortable. Not due to shame (although who'd want to look at MY body?!) but because rocks hurt my feet when walking without shoes. The sun burned my white bottom, despite sunblock. Clothes offer protection from the elements which is why we wear them. | |
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Posted: 8/22/2008 5:04:26 PM | OK. Here's the deal as I see it, and if someone's already made these points, good - sorry I didn't read the entire last 2 yrs of posts on this topic.
Ya, we were naked in Eden, serpent gave Eve the fruit, she then, in turn, gave it to Adam. The fruit gave them knowledge. Knowledge of their DIFFERENCES. They were ashamed of their differences and covered up. God did not wish for them to be shameful of themselves (yes, I understand that brings up omniscience paradoxes - ask a Christian about that - I served my 16 yrs and have since broadened my horizons). Nudity is natural.
I believe that covering up ourselves is what leads to the sexual crimes and depravity that we have now. I read a response where one guy wrote that when he was younger all it took was a picture and he could get off and now that he's seen his share it now takes more than a picture. If we didn't cover our bodies out of shame there would be a lot less adolescent curiosity. We wouldn't have this lust to find out what's under each others clothing. There would be little use for porn and no use for strippers. How much of society's problems would that eliminate? Certainly some. No, not nearly all, but not nearly none either.
Pedophiles? Rapists? Yeah, I'm sure they'd still exist but if anything I believe that number would drop rather than rise. And really, wouldn't it make it easier to catch the pedophiles? Just spot the boner in the preschool! LOL!!
Fat naked bodies would be natural and would think nothing more of it than you would if you saw a fat clothed body, because it would be all you would know! You wouldn't worry about sitting on the same chair as the last person because that would be a simple fact of life. Think about it. In a city as you go about your day think of all the things you touch and think of all the things other people touch. Now think about the door handle on the department store or the hand rails on the busses. You don't think much about that but how would it be different if you were raised in a society where everyone wore gloves? OH MY GOD! NAKED HANDS!? "I couldn't possibly touch something someone else touched. I'd certainly never eat a piece of produce that someone else touched!!"
Seriously though, I think nudity is completely natural. Yes, I think it would be very difficult to take the whole of modern society and abolish clothing. Mostly, simply because we have ingrained these shames and fears and prejudices of the human body into our society over the last few hundred (thousand?) millennia. I think it works for small societies and under the right circumstances. And, of course, on the beach, all summer long ;-) | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/22/2008 5:08:45 PM |
When presented in the context of "art", nobody objects to nudity.
Q: What's the difference between erotic art and porn?
A: Lighting.
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/23/2008 11:59:23 PM | If that was asked of me, I think you need to read the quite obvious self-mocking tone. I'm quite comfrotable in my own skin and enjoy nudity, but I also appreciate what the sight of an overweight 53 year old lily-white male may do to the tender sensibilities of my elderly neghbours so I always wear shorts when I do laundry.
If you say only attractive people can be nude then you exclude 90 percent of the population. Maybe if you first saw your neighbor naked you might be uncomfortable but after a while you would get used to it. You are conditioned by society to think fat is ugly. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2008 7:25:27 AM | | Is irony and sarcasm lost on the average reader these days? And I'm not "fat"! I said "overweight" (but dancing it off). As for seeing my 90-something neighbour naked, I'll pass. If it works for you and she's agreeable though, give me your address and I'll ask her to send you a pic or two. Now can we move on people? Nothing to see here. Move along. | |
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Posted: 8/24/2008 11:10:53 AM | Okay ^^^^ R.O. ---- Just one more, because I haven't replied here, yet, okay? 
The reason that public nudity would not be a great thing, is because most of the men on POF would have to leave.....
There is not enough magnifying glasses in the world, for all the women...!!  | |
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Posted: 8/24/2008 11:38:33 AM | Answer: absolutely nothing. In fact, nudity can be pretty boring if everyone's naked all the time. Ever been to a nude beach? ZZZZZZZZ.
The reason nudity, like sex, tends to be so deeply repressed/regulated by society is because that repression creates a scarcity which in turn creates a powerful motivation and incentive for people to jump through certain hoops in order to acquire it: conform to certain norms, rules, and laws (e.g. get jobs and earn money in order to be more socially eligible for the Sacred Institution of Marriage, and enjoy as much nudity and sex as our partner will allow us, in private). Those hoops that people jump through mainly serve the interests of the ruling elites---the political, economic, religious elites, who have the most to gain by keeping the majority of the population in a state of constant busy-ness, compliance, and work-work-work. Of course, I am not saying there is some secret cabal or conspiracy which meets once a month to plot and scheme to maintain this system---it's just an imperfect description of how society as an organism works.
So, don't take such societal taboos too seriously. In fact, feel free to break them whenever you feel like it, and whenever you can get away with it.  | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 8/27/2008 12:54:11 PM |
Finally does anyone know of scripture that tells us why nudity is only something humans should be jailed or fined for? How about any scripture concerning nudity of any creature pro or con?
The fact that God Himself clothed Adam and Eve after their disobedience, should be enough of a precedence for us to follow...don't you think? | |
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Posted: 8/27/2008 1:15:18 PM |
The fact that God Himself clothed Adam and Eve after their disobedience, should be enough of a precedence for us to follow...don't you think?
I think I understand the point you're making, but they had already "covered their nakedness because they were ashamed" with leaves (trad: fig leaves), so God didn't clothe them before they had already clothed themselves -- yes, I know we can nitpick over the differences between leaves and animal skins, but I don't' think that's really what's relevant. It would seem that the story is explaining why people feel "ashamed" when they are "naked". Which raises the question of whether or not, if Jesus Christ has put away the "Law" and reintroduced us to the perfection prior to the Fall, should a Christian feel "ashamed" when "naked". Me, I think not. But that's me.  | |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 6:48:39 AM | "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to
lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in
his heart."
Matthew 5:28, KJV
"And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the
earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his
heart was only evil continually."
Genesis 6:5, KJV | |
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Posted: 8/30/2008 6:43:15 PM | | If the looking at a woman with lust quote is a reply to the question of whether any scripture specifically names nudity as a sin or bad, you're way of the mark. Lusting doesn't require nakedness. It only requires lustfulness. The "luster" is the source of the sin, and not the "lustee". | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 10:41:42 AM | ^^^ Good call. I personally like to lust after girls who are clothed, it leaves more to the imagination.
Also, the Genesis quote has nothing to do with nudity either.
Through Genesis 3:10-12 we see that when Adam hid from God because he was naked, God was not concerned with nudity. He was concerned with how Adam knew that he was naked and with the shame that Adam felt at such knowledge.
God dose not give Adam clothing to cover up a sin that is represented by the body, (the only sin at this point is the original sin, ) but to help Adam to overcome his shame so that he can come back to Gods side and seek forgiveness. (God always forgives but forgivness is only granted when you forgive as well.)
And finally, even if you could take it to mean that Clothing is required to cover a sin of the body, then one you become a folower of christ you no longer need clothing anyway as al sins are forgiven, so any sin inherent in your body no longer counts. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 9/1/2008 1:02:59 PM | Nudity is nothing wrong. It's what we do with our naked bodies that produces either good or shameful.
You see women and men parading about acting like nimrods in the buff (Think the ho's on Jerry Springer) and you wonder how they escaped the oven in the first place. But you see a woman or man say coming out of the shower and so what. They're clean. OOOOOHHH!!!!!!!
Looking at someone lustfully who is not the one you are in love with is shameful. Not thinking "Now, there's a lovely woman..I'd love to have her boobs. They look so natural and perky" but "Wait till I get that one alone. I'll teach her who's da ma'yan!"
(all while your girlfriend or wife is standing there..or worse....Your Kids).
Does this make sense?
God gave us our bodies to use and enjoy. The way our immune system works and the way our heart just keeps beating when we're sleeping in bed. It's all part of the scheme of life. It's not to be defiled by treating it like a soul'less piece of meat. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 9/1/2008 9:56:57 PM | Clothes offer protection from the elements which is why we wear them.
In the cold winter yes I can see no problem but in the summer there is no need. We have intvented stuff like shoes and sunscreen that will help | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 9/2/2008 6:46:35 AM | Morally speaking, I think in itself the naked human body is neutral. The question changes though when nudity occurs in certain contexts. In some situations for example, a child being naked is perfectly innocent; playing in the backyard for example. In other situations though, if someone is forcing a child to be nude to film or photograph pornographic images of that child for themselves or other pedophiles, we have a very grave crime. Nudity brings moral implications as soon as it takes place in a certain relational context with other people.
I think it is hard to come up with hard and fast criteria to judge in black and white terms when being nude is innocent and when it is wrong and inappropriate. Our laws and social custom dictate our attitudes to nudity to a strong extent, as do philosophical, ethical and religious views. Even so, these can vary. A devout Muslim may find certain Western styles of dress allow for too much 'nudity', while a Westerner may find such styles of dress acceptable. | |
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Posted: 9/2/2008 2:03:39 PM | From a 'moral' standpoint I don't care.
From a rational standpoint : Most people just don't look good naked.
If you let the good looking people run around naked you gotta let everyone. *shudder* | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 9/2/2008 6:20:47 PM |
What is Wrong with Nudity? Nothing. Babies go nude all the time, and their mothers never complain.
Why is it illegal and considered morally wrong to be seen as a human in his or her natural state in public? Why don't we extend this expectation to Lambs who have been recently shaved or those cats that have no hair. Shouldn't this make sense for humans and animals to? Why are we so different from animals when it comes to nakedness? Ask an 18-year-old blonde, with big tits. She'll tell you. When she is around gay men, and straight women, there is no problem at all. When she's around horny young men, who find it really hard to be around her when she's fully clothed without grabbing her a**, and far worse if she's naked, she has a big problem going around naked. Her not being allowed to go around naked is just a way of stopping her getting raped 60 times a day, and it's not fair to demand only one group of people are required to wear clothes. So we all have to.
Is it assumed that we humans have so much stronger of a sex drive that we would have no self control over our sex drive when we see someone naked or are some of us humans just too gross to withstand public decency? Both. If you ever find a society where rape never occurs, let me know. I'll be happy to join.
Finally does anyone know of scripture that tells us why nudity is only something humans should be jailed or fined for? How about any scripture concerning nudity of any creature pro or con? Going naked is written that it is also Ervah, which is Hebrew for stimulation of the sexual organ. Most men get turned on when they see a woman naked. If a guy finds sheep sexually attractive, and gets turned on when he sees a naked sheep, then naked sheep are an Ervah for him too, and he's not supposed to look at them either. It's all to stop rape. | |
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