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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 12/2/2006 8:57:57 AM | Hey, all:
This certainly sounds like a conspiracy theory to me! Gee, how easy it is to dismiss things by categorizing them in a derogatory, pejorative, biased manner....
In fact, there is a great deal of reality top to bottom in this trend. With the huge manufacturing trade between China and WalMart (cutting out the pesky US middleman), one of the big initiatives was addressed many months ago in another thread--I don't remember the name--but they are actively working on a complex of Mexican ports, and a enormously wide highway system between them and distribution centers in the U.S. The Mexican ports offer low wages, non-Union crews and the trucks on the highway system are planned to be customs-free! How about that for your corporate oligarchy?!
David | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 5:06:21 AM | They weren't kidding. I'm wondering what their solution is for border control.
Consider this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt7oa3WuBnA&mode=related&search=
The solution for border control, the the security of the PERIMETER of the continent as described in plans by the Open Borders Lobby for a North American Union:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H65f3q_Lm9U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2io0iJOncc&mode=related&search=
Two very important documents which describe their full intent:
A North American Community Approach to Security
http://www.senate.gov/~foreign/testimony/2005/PastorTestimony050609.pdf
Building a North American Community, Report of the Independent Task Force
on the Future of North America
http://canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf
As you read through both of these, consider the OBL Agenda and all of the actions being taken in order to facilitate a North American Union, i.e, the election of Canadian & Mexican leadership that supports NAU, the passage of Eminent Domain and Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, TransTexas Corridor/NAFTA Superhighway, Mexican truckers allowed to travel throught the US unrestricted, attempts to keep the border UNsecured (remember the fence bill?), Federal Reserve and others illegal implementation of banking programs for illegal aliens, and the introduction again, next week, of a Senate bill that will grant amnesty to hundreds of millions of illegal aliens.... | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 5:41:18 AM | This would require constitutional reform. For all you Americans who are ignorant of the process (hell most Canadians are too) this is even harder to do than American constitutional reform. Way way way harder.
Trust me, I don't want it either, but this shouldn't keep anybody up at night. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 5:47:04 AM | | Actually, Charles, it IS being done WITHOUT Congressional approval, under the guise of NAFTA, as stated in the UTube video of Lou Dobbs. I have written many Congressmen...most of them are completely unaware of the NAU Agenda, yet they continue to pass legislation that does, in fact, move that agenda forward. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 7:13:14 AM | | I'm talking about the original post and loss of sovereignty. Seriously, You don't understand Canadian constitutional reform. Since we created a written one we have never done an alteration successfully. Merging with USA in such a matter would never fly. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 8:16:34 AM | And what makes you think that Bush, Harper or Fox care about their constitutions (Laws)?
So far their track records suggest that they have never even heard of it, let alone read it or Believe in it. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 10:58:51 AM | Exactly Charles...both governments insist that what they are doing IS constitutional and requires no oversight or consideration by legislators or citizens.....You do realize that your President has already signed the Security and Prosperity Partnership? Are you aware that there are Canadian citizens who are actively protesting this? Here in the states they (the Open Borders Lobby) are being very sneaky about how they will achieve their goal for a North American Union. You see they keep the American public focused on the pieces of the puzzle rather than the picture the puzzle will create. They've tricked congress into passing legislation on the individual pieces, and our lawmakers are, for the most part, not even aware of BIG picture to come.
Pieces passed, in the works, or soon to come:
- IMO, there is no coincidence that both Mexico and Canada have elected leaders who will further the North American Union agenda...too much has already been invested.
- We have passed new eminent domain laws which will allow the government to steal private land for the completion of the NAFTA Superhighway, which does extend into Canada.
- We have already agreed to allow Mexican truckers to enter and deliver goods throughout the country, unrestricted.
- We have already passed the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, the first step has been for American citizens (ONLY) to be required to use a passport for re-entry.
- We have passed, but will soon stop legislation for a border fence. Every effort has been made by our government to keep the border UNsecured. Including 'a show' of sending the National Guard to the border UNARMED.
- Our Senate will attempt, again, to pass legislation that will give amnesty to between 12 and 35 million illegal aliens and in some areas, will provide MORE rights to illegals than American citizens AND will also grant amnesty to employers who have hired them.
- Our Federal Reserve Bank, along with others, has already begun assisting illegal aliens by providing illegal services.
- Our Pentagon has announced plans to consider increasing our military size by recruiting illegal aliens and foreigners.
- Again, on May 1, and in a post 9/11 environment, our government will allow, unabated, hundreds of millions of illegal aliens and their supporters, at risk to our national security, to effectively shut down major cities all across this country in order to demand immediate legalization.
Those are just off the top of my head...you might want to read the document at the canadian embassy link and see if there are any steps Canada has already successfully taken towards the North American Union. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 11:31:38 AM | Ms. Gibson,
Responding to one of your points, I had heard about Bush sending National Guardsmen to the border, but not allowing them to carry their M-16's like they should be, and giving them orders to retreat if faced with armed gunmen, and incidents have already happened on the border where armed gunmen approached the guardsmen from the Mexico side of the border and the guard had to follow orders and run away. Its sad, and shows criminals south of the border that our national guard is a joke(through no fault of their own, but the fault of Bush).
You seem very knowlesgeable on this subject, I wish all American citizens were as knowledgeable as you about all this, but unfortunately, most are still unaware. Thankyou for spreading the word and trying to educate those who don't know. | |
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Posted: 2/28/2007 6:34:30 PM | Yah Harper is going to throw a coup. He is going to overthrow the constitution, with a minority government (another reason even if he wanted it to happen it wouldn't). Just so he can give up the reigns of power.
God he couldn't even get his anti terror provisions extended.
You guys have way more important and likely things to worry about. Like asteroid impacts or the second coming of christ. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 7:29:43 PM | SPP,NAFTA and NAU is not some conspiracy theory, is a plan already in progress (whitout ballots for voting) with a specific dateline for implementation and with an already flag designed.
Why?... follow the money.
edit: msg 33 "...American citizens...unfortunally, most of them are still unaware"
The thread about respect to illegal immigrant is the best example. Just a few realize the reason behind the "uncontrolled influx". | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 8:02:33 PM |
Quote: redwood34
Here are some excerpts from an article relating to SPP/NAU I found today authored by constitutional scholar Devvy Kidd:
Millions of Americans simply haven't been able to understand why Bush has refused to close the borders or make any attempt whatsoever to stop the massive invasion of illegals. As soon as the veil was lifted on this North American Union and the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, it all made sense even to his most loyal supporters. Bush has never had any intention of upholding the laws of this land because his job is to cement the final pieces of one world government along with bankrupting US with his endless, unconstitutional "wars of liberation."
Why do you think this voluntary National ID card surfaced and is scheduled for 2008? Because Bush and his global masters intend for the destruction of our republic to be complete by 2010. Do Americans really understand what this means? All the blood that has been shed to keep America a free nation will have been spilled for nothing. It means the death of our nation, our constitution, our Bill of Rights. It means inheriting another 100 million illiterate poor from Mexico, making all of US "global citizens" in this nightmare scheme.
dead on!
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be. ---Thomas Jefferson
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. ---Thomas Jefferson
Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence. ---Thomas Jefferson
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. ---James Madison
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. ---Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ---Thomas Jefferson
You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. ---John Quincy Adams
What could anyone possibly say to upstage these guys? | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 8:15:55 PM |
Quote: Ms. Gibson
Our Pentagon has announced plans to consider increasing our military size by recruiting illegal aliens and foreigners.
They need people who will be willing to fire on, (shoot), armed american citizens who will rise up against a martial law totalitarian take over of the nation since its unlikely american soldiers will fire upon american citizens...and it is likely that they only way they can do it is by force with armed aliens.
The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. ---James Madison
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. ---Thomas Jefferson | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 2/28/2007 9:51:58 PM | "This descriptions suggest that all 'trusted citizens' of the USA, Mexico and Canada would be considered 'trusted citizens of North America', issued a type of biometric identification that would make crossing the border as simple as passing your credit card through a charge-out terminal at a retail store. Once this procedure are fully in place the SPP working groups will have eliminated 'illegal immigration' for the most part".
Art. "Bush Administration erases US borders with Mexico and Canda"
06/28/06 -humanevents.com/articule.php?id=15809
It's the intention of USA to be an integral part of the Amero as a new currency (not the case of England, integrated to the European Union). Therefore, a unique end result can be obtained from the tri-lateral agreement: a lower average for adquisitive financial power and a higher cheap labor. The winner: Corporate America. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 3/1/2007 12:03:46 AM | You realize with the number of illegal imigrants that live within the united states, they would likely be firing on their own people as well?
Or do you think people from foreign countries don't care about their families? or have some inbred hatred of democracy? | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 3/1/2007 1:17:08 AM | baddb0y....I knew they were readying those FEMA camps for some reason ;)
The day that hundereds of thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters took to the streets effectively shutting down our major cities all across this country, at risk to our national security, demanding our legislators grant them immediate legalilzation...and there was nothing done to stop them, nothing and not a peep, not a single peep from D.C., it was apparent which side of this issue our government is on. We will be 'vigilantes', 'terrorists' all.
MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA
http://www.lframerica.com/march2.html | |
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Posted: 3/1/2007 2:22:49 AM | How did this thread about the non-existant thread of joining your country become a thread for posting american isolationalism with a sideline of racism?
USA seems to go through sad periods of hatred for various immigrant groups. Right now it's the latinos. But it wasnt so long ago it was Catholics, Irish, Itallians, Chinese, Vietnamese.
Everytime each group was treated like vermin. That would bring about the end of society.
And the sad thing? Is the people that fear and hate the new groups are children of the old hated groups.
This is actually another reason Canada and the USA won't merge in the near future. We have very different attitudes towards how people should addapt to moving to a new country. | |
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Posted: 3/1/2007 2:30:00 AM | demanding our legislators grant them immediate legalilzation
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I dont see all these folks demanding sh$$.
Anti-union...
Anti-middle class...
demanding legalilzation or not...... I watched Monford kill the meat cutters union in Colo.....
Swift bought Monford........How many SUITS were taken in????????
I hear how THEY demand or that the Teddie lib's want them to vote for him.....
BULL.....
I see what I see....
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Ruin the middle class. Trucks moving imports into the US...
Gee maybe the longshoreman disappear (over priced UNION).
We can have a ship from China unloaded in Mex......
to Walmart via Mex. Trucker ........
You will save soooooo much money ...BUY WAL-y | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 3/1/2007 3:31:07 AM | | I just haev to say. bob0colo could you please try and use full sentences? You post like a bizzare stream of conciousness experiment with all the.... | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 3/1/2007 9:40:31 AM |
quote:Ms. Gibson baddb0y....I knew they were readying those FEMA camps for some reason ;) The day that hundereds of thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters took to the streets effectively shutting down our major cities all across this country, at risk to our national security, demanding our legislators grant them immediate legalilzation...and there was nothing done to stop them, nothing and not a peep, not a single peep from D.C., it was apparent which side of this issue our government is on. We will be 'vigilantes', 'terrorists' all. MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA http://www.lframerica.com/march2.html
i dont think shutting down the border though helpful is the solution. The blame falls squarely on policy makers, the gov, and it seems to me that is where protests should be directed.
Alex Jones snuck in one of them where they held protestors against bush for a week and there are chains and shackles in them! Apparently it was a condemned exxon building of some sort. So if we combine that with the patriot act that they wwant to put into permanent law, which says "we the american people" can bbe held with habeous corpus, or probable cause seems to show where we are headed doesnt it?
This is seriously long and i doubt anyone will have the patience to sit through it but i have researched a lot of it to see if he was spinning it to the point of nontruth and have actually found many of the documents he shows and frankly came to the same conclusions after doing the research.
i appreciate his work because he knows the right questions to ask, (then i can research based on his questions) LOL and knowing the right questions to ask is 99% of learning imo. Of course anyone blindly waving a flag wont get much out this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6628737887384052794
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 3/12/2007 2:09:20 PM | 12 STATE OPPOSE NORTH AMERICAN UNION
Eagle Forum working with legislators to halt globalists' plans
March 9, 2007
"A dozen states are working on resolutions that would oppose not only the implementation but the idea of a "North American Union," or other plans that would lead to the integration of the United States into a larger structure.
"Americans are rapidly learning the new vocabulary of the globalists," Phyllis Schlafly of Eagle Forum told WND, "and they don't like it."
Anti-NAU resolutions have been introduced in the following state legislatures:
Arizona: Senate Concurrent Memorial 1002 Click to check bill status.
Georgia: Senate Resolution 124
Illinois: House Joint Resolution 29 Click to check bill status.
Missouri: Senate Concurrent Resolution 15 House Concurrent Resolution 33
Montana: House Joint Resolution 25
Oregon: Senate Joint Memorial 5
South Carolina: House Concurrent Resolution 3185 You also can find the bill here under "H 3185"
South Dakota: Senate Concurrent Resolution 7 Click to check bill status
Tennessee: Senate Joint Resolution 88
Utah: House Joint Resolution 7 Click to check bill status.
Virginia: Senate Joint Resolution 442
Washington: Senate Joint Memorial 8004 House Joint Memorial 4018
StopTheNAU tracks state legislative motions to oppose the SPP and NAU.
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54613 | |
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Posted: 3/21/2007 1:53:52 PM | Canadian Prime Minister Harper now oppose plans for a North American Union?
Will Bush and Calderon gang up on him and pressure him into changing his mind and going along with it?
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover032107.htm | |
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Posted: 3/22/2007 7:15:47 AM | They won't have to bully him.
This is just talk as he gets ready for the coming election, just like the recent budget. All promises of Good and even Better things to come...
But once (if) he gets through the next hurdle (election), it will be back to making the rich richer and screwing the litte guy. | |
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Posted: 3/22/2007 12:00:22 PM | Hey guys, before you compare (and contrast) NAFTA and NAU to the European Union (EU), please take the time to read what the European Union actually is.
Cheers
PS. Are you aware that the USA is a member of a thing called the "World Trade Organisation". Look it up online, if you do not know what it is and how binding are the WTO agreements on the USA. Same for Canada! | |
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Posted: 5/17/2007 10:28:23 PM | Currently 18 states in the U.S. are involved in anti-SPP/anti-NAU legislation so far.
http://www.stopthenau.org/ | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/17/2007 10:36:45 PM | I'm wondering, which candidates for President in the U.S. oppose the NAU? So far as I know, Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo oppose it. Any others that can be verified?
Any candidates for president or prime minister in Canada or Mexico who oppose it?
All I have heard so far is Connie Fogal of the Canadian Action Party opposes the NAU, but would be interested to hear if there are others. | |
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