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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/26/2007 10:02:22 PM | I've reading that more than once, as site mentioned in msg 61. My take, the denial of the official site, of the nature of the allegation towards negotiations to create a Notrh American Union.
Why the negotiations are secret?
Whom the conspiracy theory belong? To the government or to the rest of the people? | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/26/2007 10:15:36 PM |
Why the negotiations are secret?
When boards meet, they don't generally invite the public. It hardly means it is secret. Secret is when nobody knows they are meeting and it is generally done in a place and time where nobody knows about it and, has absolutely no reporters present, unlike those 'secret' meetings refered to which is located at one of the biggest tourest spots in North America and those meeting are moving aobut town for days and days in ful public view.
Whom the conspiracy theory belong? To the government or to the rest of the people?
People who own websites where they get paid for advertising. More people who go there, the more they make. Shit, I'd open a conspiracy one myself to make a few extra bucks on the side I mean, morons will go for their candy somewhere, may as well be the one I own. And, any post you make and link to one of their sites draws hits galore for them. Those are the ones who are laughing all the way to the bank as minless clowns boost their search engine ratings and they can charge more for spot ads on their sites. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 6:12:52 AM |
Please, feel free to enlight me in my political ignorance and limited comprenhension skills to rightfully interpreter the meaning behind the words of the concept for North American Community that I wrongfully call NAU.
I admire your attempt to get through to him, but I'm afraid you're wasting your time and energy. He either refuses to accept the possibility out of fear, or, he's a globalist who'll praise those who enact this insanity when it is accomplised. I'm guessing the later. Either way, if he didn't believe there was an ounce of truth to it, he would be wasting so much of his time trying to 'disprove' it.
I've visited more than one site where someone is always trying to shut down the conversation by accusing those who wish to discuss it as being 'tinfoil' hat wearers. Sound just like the government (SPP myth page), don't they? Fortunately, however, folks like Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck, along with many of our elected officials, are VERY aware of what's going on...and OPPOSE the Union, not so, me thinks, of our fishmate ;) | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 6:42:55 AM | Ms Gibson
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Fortunately, however, folks like Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck, along with many of our elected officials, are VERY aware of what's going on...and OPPOSE the Union, not so, me thinks, of our fishmate ;)
Out of all your sources, do you think you can bring forth ONE STINKING fact that proves the following;
Cubanguy
<div class='quote'>It is not a plan, is a project in progress with a Constitution, flag, money and date for implementation.
Bet you can't. Then of course, you will continue to rant on about how US political power will be conceded to the Mexicans and Canadians while tramping through a torn constitution. Hell, Bush can't even get a gal made a hero in Iraq yet can get all this done?
The truth is out there, just that you can't seem to produce it so in place, come up with opinion articles. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 6:50:00 AM | I wonder why the Bank of Canada would see fit to publish an article containing such a 'tinfoil hat' notion?
"Though there are many other kinds of commodity convertibility, these are, as noted earlier (footnote 3) complicated and hence hard to explain to the public at large. That is one reason why all recent proposals for reforming Canada's monetary order that envisage replacing inflation targets with a system underpinned by convertibility rest, not on a commodity of any sort, but on either a brand new North American currency or the U.S. dollar. Given the Americans' total lack of interest in giving up a shred of control over their own currency, let alone abandoning it for something else, the only proposals among these that are practically possible are those involving either the outright unilateral adoption by Canada of the U.S. dollar as its currency, or the creation of a new Canadian currency linked to the U.S. dollar by way of a currency board. From the perspective of this article, the adoption of either of these would amount to a further step in an evolutionary process that has already seen the Canadian model of a monetary system anchored by a central bank move significantly in the direction of the "free-banking" alternative.
Concluding Comment
There is no point in rehearsing recent debates about these matters here.10 It is not out of place, however, to note that neither unilateral dollarization nor the creation of a currency board would in fact lead to the disappearance of central banking for the Canadian system, but only to the replacement of the domestically located Bank of Canada by the U.S.-based Federal Reserve System, which would continue to set goals conceived purely in terms of the behaviour of the United States economy, with no regard to their consequences for Canada. For many, this possibility will be reason enough to conclude that Canada has proceeded quite far enough down the road to free banking already, and to wish the Bank of Canada "many happy returns" on this occasion with particular enthusiasm."
http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/review/winter05-06/laidler.html
OR, maybe Steve Previs, VP of Jefferies International has been drinking too much conspiracy Kool-Aid and needs a little vacation?
"In an interview with CNBC, a vice president for a prominent London investment firm yesterday urged a move away from the dollar to the "amero," a coming North American currency, he said, that "will have a big impact on everybody's life, in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico."
Steve Previs, a vice president at Jefferies International Ltd., explained the Amero "is the proposed new currency for the North American Community which is being developed right now between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico."
The aim, he said, according to a transcript provided by CNBC to WND, is to make a "borderless community, much like the European Union, with the U.S. dollar, the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso being replaced by the amero."
Previs told the television audience many Canadians are "upset" about the amero. Most Americans outside of Texas largely are unaware of the amero or the plans to integrate North America, Previs observed, claiming many are just "putting their head in the sand" over the plans. "..... | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 6:57:22 AM | You give Bush far too much credit. He's only a spineless tool doing the bidding of the globalist elites, and while you may want to give far too much credit to one particular political party, the Open Borders Lobby that Bush supporters and our Democrats are cowtowing to, is a BIPARTISAN group with a BIPARTISAN globalist agenda.
Edit to add: By the way, if you're not familiar with the "US-based Federal Reserve", there is a reason why it's written as such, "US-based". | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 7:21:59 AM | Ms Gibson
Of course you're wondering but do try to read the article. It is talking about central banking, not making an amero. You had it in the first para where it said;
Given the Americans' total lack of interest in giving up a shred of control over their own currency, let alone abandoning it for something else, the only proposals among these that are practically possible are those involving either the outright unilateral adoption by Canada of the U.S. dollar as its currency, or the creation of a new Canadian currency linked to the U.S. dollar by way of a currency board. From the perspective of this article, the adoption of either of these would amount to a further step in an evolutionary process that has already seen the Canadian model of a monetary system anchored by a central bank move significantly in the direction of the "free-banking" alternative. So, you really don't have much to worry about as far as they are concerned. To your next article. Ms Gibson OR, maybe Steve Previs, VP of Jefferies International has been drinking too much conspiracy Kool-Aid and needs a little vacation?
"In an interview with CNBC, a vice president for a prominent London investment firm yesterday urged a move away from the dollar to the "amero," a coming North American currency, he said, that "will have a big impact on everybody's life, in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico." Yes, I do think he has. He should get away from sites such as Immigration Watchdog and Worldnetdaily who are both in the business of getting clicks for cash from tin foilists. Here, to help you in your search, find the source of his contention that; Steve Previs, a vice president at Jefferies International Ltd., explained the Amero “is the proposed new currency for the North American Community which is being developed right now between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico.” So, who has proposed it and who is about to approve it? And, can the person or entity that will supposedly approve it make sure it sticks? Ms Gibson and her quote Most Americans outside of Texas largely are unaware of the amero or the plans to integrate North America, Previs observed, claiming many are just "putting their head in the sand" over the plans. "..... Actually I would be against it but have yet to see any proof of it's existence. Opinion sites and quotes in part from official sources out of context do not make for the grand conspiracy you seem to find so obvious. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 8:09:39 AM | In msg 71, using the proper language and structure instead of my own interpretation, I said I'm guilty of speculation.
The coincidence of the agenda proposed by Pastor with the SPP work plan is just that, a mere coincidence.
The money is mentioned on page 111, 114-115 of the book but is just a proposal, not mentioned on the SPP website, therefore is a fantasy of mine. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 11:05:17 AM | "Actually I would be against it but have yet to see any proof of it's existence. Opinion sites and quotes in part from official sources out of context do not make for the grand conspiracy you seem to find so obvious."
Bury your head if you must, it matters not a wit to me. But, it won't be beneath me to say "I told you so." | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 2:37:08 PM |
Bury your head if you must, it matters not a wit to me. But, it won't be beneath me to say "I told you so."
The last defence of a conspiracy theorist - to accuse the non believer who asks for facts that cannot be supplied (even though there is supposedly a mountain of it) that they are either not open minded or, have their head buried in the sand.
The truth is out there .......... | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 5:06:34 PM | "The last defense of a conspiracy theorist- to acusse the non believer who asks for facts that can not be supplied...
The last defense of the non beliver, might be- do not accept any fact because a specific word is not mentioned and/or do not put together differents facts because are separated issues: NAC is a proposal from non-governmental agency, therefore SSP is not NAC; certainly is not NAU because the word 'union' is not mentioned and the proposition for NAC and the SPP work plan are just coincidental.
Galileo never was able to prove that the Earth turn around the Sun, however it does.
La Maffia/La Cosa Nostra was a secret society for more than 300 yrs, not proving its existance by its formal recognizition, doesn't mean is fictional.
Freemasons are not a secret society but, a society of secrets. To be unable to know about it doesn't means what it is.
For years, Canada security and line of defense has been NORAD.
We have FTA, NAFTA, CAFTA and FTAA signed all of them by Fast Track legislation, that is without Congress or public discussion.
Yet, we need another security agreement.
Yet, we need another prosperity agreement.
Yet, common, community, partnership doesn't mean union because the word marriage is substituted by merger, colaboration, integration, centralization...
Now we working on SPP, for something different, without Congress or public discussion.
The SPP is NAU, even if you don't believe it because is not said by Bush, Harper or Calderon or literally mentioned in its agenda. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 5:54:34 PM | Galileo never was able to prove that the Earth turn around the Sun, however it does.
He couldn't go there to prove it but here todeay, you can access the SPP and NAFTA sites as well as get briefed on what happened at those secret meetings that everybody knows about.
La Maffia/La Cosa Nostra was a secret society for more than 300 yrs, not proving its existance by its formal recognizition, doesn't mean is fictional.
Dead bodies turning up all over the place, guys named Luigi showing up every week for protection money, I don't think it was without a trail.
For years, Canada security and line of defense has been NORAD.
Yes, it was one of them as it was to the USD and still is. What is your point?
We have FTA, NAFTA, CAFTA and FTAA signed all of them by Fast Track legislation, that is without Congress or public discussion.
Wrong. http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:EAqcNrykAlYJ:www.whitehouse.gov/
omb/inforeg/2006_cb/2-hill.pdf+congressional+discussion+on+nafta+spp&hl=en&ct
=clnk&cd=21&gl=ca
Yet, we need another security agreement.
Yet, we need another prosperity agreement.
We need to have taxes lifted so that we can trade and, we need to have common standards so that we can move goods while maintaining higher levels of security.
Yet, common, community, partnership doesn't mean union because the word marriage is substituted by merger, colaboration, integration, centralization...
It means three countries who have trade and security matters in common while retaining their own borders, politics, government, flag, national anthem, money and so on.
Now we working on SPP, for something different, without Congress or public discussion.
Buy yourself a car factory and I'm sure you may get an invite to a meeting or two. In the meantime, you can track the 'secret'  meetings on the SPP website where they are sheduled. Same Bat time, same Bat channel. And hell, you don't even need a 'secret' decoder ring.
http://www.spp.gov/index.asp
The SPP is NAU, even if you don't believe it because is not said by Bush, Harper or Calderon or literally mentioned in its agenda.
Should be easy to prove then. You have something where officials are saying that or where it is stated in one of the official websites of NAFTA, SPP or whatever?
Now surely to goodness you have something other than inuendo to support this strongly held view of yours. I mean, a massive conspiracy such as this must leave a trail somewhere. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 6:05:09 PM | | Since this is becoming a confrontational and argumentative word game how about if you prove me wrong on the coincidence between the plan of the Trilateral Commission and the SSP work. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/27/2007 6:33:02 PM | | I can do a lot of things Cubanguy but, I can't prove a negative. Sorry. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/28/2007 6:50:42 AM | | We have all the evidence we need. And I believe that the thread was meant to discuss WHY it is happening, you know, from the perspective of those who already have concluded it IS happening. I think everyone has wasted enough time with you and a few others outlining the many many sources of evidence and our conclusions. If you choose not to believe it, then so be it. However, in that case, IMO, you're being on this thread is meant only to harass those who do. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/29/2007 4:07:28 AM | An interesting B.S. article from 2006.....Berruga pushing for North American Union
Mexican diplomat urges a partnership
Hernán Rozemberg
Express-News Immigration Writer
"U.S.-Mexico relations could remain paralyzed unless leaders of the two nations and Canada formalize a North American partnership — akin to the European Union — before the U.S. baby boomer retirement wave hits in the next eight years, a ranking Mexican diplomat said here Tuesday.
Enrique Berruga, Mexico's ambassador to the United Nations, shared his perspectives on the current and future U.S.-Mexico relationship at a panel discussion at the University of Texas at San Antonio Downtown Campus. ..."
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA110106.10B.State.U.2e02838.html | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 5/29/2007 7:40:51 PM | Ms. Gibson
We have all the evidence we need.
Yes most of us can see that you do as you quote endless blogs, opinion sites and such. All the while refusing to use or quote the actual official sites of the SPP and NAFTA and, instead, allow your tin foilist bloggers to insert words and meaning into them by quoting them as such;
Ms. Gibson
And I believe that the thread was meant to discuss WHY it is happening, you know, from the perspective of those who already have concluded it IS happening.
Sorry, you are wrong about that as well as your imaginary North America takeover plans. If you recall, the OP said in the first post;
OP
What would all three nations have to gain by forming this North American Union? Would our governments retain their sovereignty?
While understanding that topics go off course, you might at least provide an attempt at answering this question. Then there is this;
OP
If true; why would he do this in a time of war? Is the "war on terror", just a distraction? I know his father always talked about building a "new world order". I also know Bush belongs to an international secret society.
It certainly appears that al is open for discussion. So, "if true" Well Ms Gibson, you contend that it is true yet have no proof other than your blogs and opinions and, as you keep on comming up saying it's true, and offer no real proof, you now try to run me off the thread saying that the thread was meant to discuss why it was happening when in fact, you are, as usual, mistaken.
Ms. Gibson (from story)
U.S.-Mexico relations could remain paralyzed unless leaders of the two nations and Canada formalize a North American partnership — akin to the European Union — before the U.S. baby boomer retirement wave hits in the next eight years, a ranking Mexican diplomat said here Tuesday.
Actually, he didn't say that and, that was the reporter's imagination at work. Actual quotes and text are in the link below and nowhere is this man quoted as saying anything remotely like that and in fact, concentrates on immigration and not the fictitious political union you speak of. Here is the link to the story http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA110106.10B.State.U.2e02838.html
Instead of putting up fences or walls, U.S. policy would be better served by investing more in Mexico so the country can do a better job of standing on its own, keeping its work force employed instead of watching it flee north, he said.
Four pages, no proof and counting ......... | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/2/2007 9:18:11 AM | | PAY ATTENTION: The New World Order is and idea of the Jesuit society which holds power in the top offices of many departments and branches throughout the world. Skull and Bones, Knights of Columbus, Free Masons, and even the Vadican, Cia and Department of Treachory. This is to bring about one world government where these worshippers will have total control over society. Satin told Jesus he could pass his power on through all the kingdoms to prove he was the son of God. Prepare for tribulation! Either you are with the New World Order, or you are a terrorist! Have you heard something similiar to that before? The world is currently divided into ten sectors. At the time of the anti-christ there will be ten kings. The United States, Canada, and Mexico are on sector. The leading officials in t....................... mycomputer was just hacked into after writing these political blogs.......everything is a deception they mastered years ago dont be a fool you are going to be totally controlled the world population will be cut in half there are camps throught the homeland securityt office in place and vacant for people who oppose this and it is well under way. the national id system will develop into being the mark of the beast, 911 was an inside job there are many false flag operations there is so much evidence of all of his but you will never see it on the news. everything is written in the Bible and there is no reversal only Jesus can save you. my computer was just hakcked into for the first time ever i must have said to many keywords...they are watching you and creating lists for those who oppose i think i just made that list. Jesus saves!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/2/2007 10:12:15 PM | why?... because it has been going on since the inception of the United States of America.
manifest destiny mean anything? Numerous Canadian elections have been fought over ties to the U.S.of A. "reciprocity if necessary but not necessarily reciprocity" 1911. Nafta was an election issue in Canada and it got the Conservative party re- elected. The first free trade agreement between Canada and the U.S of A. was in 1854, violated in 1864 (just prior to the formation of the Dominion of Canada )in an attempt to economically ruin the then colonies allowing the U.S to annex them. This is not conspiracy these are the documented facts, that the same thing continues to this day should be no surprise. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/2/2007 10:18:31 PM |
that the same thing continues to this day should be no surprise.
Great, you must have proof then? Finally. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/2/2007 10:22:29 PM | That would be the problem then.......only the historians will know for sure how it will turn out  | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/3/2007 1:15:16 AM | | Yep. However, considering the lack of official eveidence and the so caled 'proof' that so many have where the Dictator President Bush is turning over to Canada and Mexico (even though he will not be president in a year) which is very contradictory to say the least. And considering the sources of same (none of which ever quot from the actual sources) I find it tin foil hat time in a big way. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/3/2007 3:41:45 AM | | There is no proof that would suit you. Your inability to accept the possibility lies in part in your belief that Bush is the puppeteer. You give him and our Presidency far too much credit. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/3/2007 10:10:14 AM | Actually I would accept a lot of proof starting with those who, instead of referring to documents and saying they mean this and that actually quoted from thsoe documents to show us where they say this and that. However, instead, I am unudated with opinion sites that say this means this when in fact, when one takes the time to look at the documents, no such meaning is there or even inferred.
The 'secret' meetings are well documented in public records as to what was discussed and nowhere is there any reference to so called 'dictators' like Bush and Harper giving up their power to a united continent that combines their countries under a political unit complete with flag and curency.
In all, if true, there would be no need to assign different meanings to documents that spell things out in plain English and meetings where if one takes the time to see what was on the agenda. So, why the need to lie about these things:? Show us where these douments refer to a common currency and political unit. Show us where leaders suddenly wish to give up their power. | |
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| SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 6/4/2007 5:29:30 PM | | NAFTA was another big Clinton mistake. Now jobs in America have the right to move to another country and hire people to do their work at 3 times below the average wage of Americans. thanks clinton | |
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