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 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 101
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Found some info on this from another site an thought I'd post it here and see what people think. Permission was granted from the original poster to post these here.

Links to a 2 part radio interview definitely worth listening to, researching the info they talk about, and making up your own mind about it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1VGa0XQp4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VQEGPcNIHHM

The bottom line I got from watching these videos is to not vote for anyone who's a member of the council on foreign relations because they usually don't want laws against illegal immigration fully enforced. Unfortunately, we often have a choice between voting for a republican CFR member or a democrat CFR member in our presidential elections, so then its a lose/lose situation.
This time around we have a few non-cfr members who are running for president such as Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo, but unfortunately, they have not been able to raise near as much money as the major CFR candidates like Giuliani, Romney, Fred Thompson, Hilary and Obama have.
Click the link below for more info on who's a CFR member and who isn't

http://www.fdrs.org/cfr_membership_list.html

A powerful think tank chaired by former Sen. Sam Nunn and guided by trustees including Richard Armitage, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Harold Brown, William Cohen and Henry Kissinger, is in the final stages of preparing a report to the White House and U.S. Congress on the benefits of integrating the U.S., Mexico and Canada
into one political, economic and security bloc.
The final report, published in English, Spanish and French, is scheduled for submission to all three governments by Sept. 30, according to the Center for Strategic & International Studies.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55830

Paul Martin discusses his meeting with Fox and Bush in 2005

http://geo.international.gc.ca/cip-pic/ips/ips-overview2-en.asp

An authors rebuttal to the myths vs. facts section of the official SPP website

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_14093.shtml
 AvidArteest
Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 102
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Posted: 7/8/2007 9:57:21 PM
Basically, "they" want to get rid of the middleclass.

Masters and slaves.
 Ms. Gibson
Joined: 2/13/2007
Msg: 103
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Posted: 7/9/2007 12:56:02 AM
Redwood....you are absolutely correct. Unfortunately, far too many conservatives are being fooled by Fred Thompson. Not only a CFRer, but has brought on to his 'campaign' Lindsey, a Federal Reserver, and has been pushed to the forefront by Jerry Patterson, Commissioner, Land Office, endorsed by George P. Bush, and is a little too close for my liking with big OBLer, Ed Gillespi. There are far too many red flags, including a statement that says, about illegal aliens..."we must give them aspirations of citizenship", but his supporters must either be blinded by his star power, or, they are satisfied with electing another Bush-type president. There is no doubt in my mind that the OBL has their candidate or candidates lined up to proceed with the agenda for the NAU...just like happened in both Mexico and Canada.

Duncan Hunter/Tancredo are my picks....and I'm not too concerned about the $$$ or the polls....In OCTOBER of ‘91 Bill Clinton only was 2% in the polls :)

Here are a couple of links of interest:

Key Bush backers rally to Fred Thompson
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=F7E9E762-3048-5C12-002C71AC68FF6DEF

The Zero-to-60
Thompson Run
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/751wkmre.asp?pg=2
 smileybear
Joined: 3/9/2007
Msg: 104
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Posted: 7/9/2007 11:44:10 AM
It's intresting how up in arms the Americans get about this. The U.S.A. and most of it's citizens would have all the power in any deal. Mexico would be the cheap labour (keep that Wal-Mart busy) and Canada would supply all the resources necessary to keep the corrupt system going.
The best example of the dominance of the U.S.A. in trade agreements is to look at softwood lumber. Canada is covered in trees, the land is cheap, no good for anything but trees so we can grow trees cheaper than you can in Georgia.
That means senator Bubba gets upset when his brother the logger looses his job and the senator wants to put duties on trees from Canada.
The Us govmt after signing the "free" trade deal violated it Immediately and put duties on Canadian lumber. The duties were found illegal by US domestic trade tribunals, NAFTA tribunals 6 or 7 times and the world trade orginization, they were not removed. The solution the U.S.A. offered was for US corporations to be able to buy Canadian Crown lands to cut. Not even Canadian companies can do that. This went on for years. Then Canada elected a Conservative Gov.(think republican without the fundamentalist component) which gave in to the US and raised the cost so as not to compete, putting Canadians out of work.
There are still pushes to get even more concessions.
This is not the E.U. where there is some equity between nations, this is the sacking by the biggest economy on earth of other nations without going to war.
 Ms. Gibson
Joined: 2/13/2007
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Posted: 7/9/2007 11:45:32 PM
Sure is a heck of a lot of U.S. legislation (by so-called ‘tinfoil hat wearers’) against something that doesn’t exist:

Anti-NAU legislation introduced in either the U.S. Congress, or in state legislatures:
http://www.stopthenau.org/Current_Activities.htm

Alabama: Senate Resolution 30 – introduced by Senator Beason (Currently in the Senate Rules Committee). Contact the Office of Senator Beason: (334) 242-7794
Senate Resolution 30 - introduced by Senator Beason (Currently in the Senate Rules Committee)

Arizona: Arizona State Senator Introduces Anti-NAU Resolution
It passed the government committee this last Monday with a vote of 7-0, 4 Republicans, 3 Democrats. It now goes to the rules committee, and should slide right on through to a floor vote. See legislation

Colorado: House Resolution 7 - The state of Colorado becomes the 18th state to introduce Anti-NAU/SPP legislation HOUSE RESOLUTION 07-1012 Concerning opposition to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, and, in connection therewith, opposing any trilateral activity in conjunction with the partnership that threatens the sovereignty of the United States, creates a North American Union, or furthers an international superhighway system. April 23rd, 2007

Georgia: NAU Resolutions Introduced in Georgia, Illinois, and South Dakota (11 states moving against the SPP/NAU)
The most recent states to introduce these resolutions are Illinois (H.J.R. 29), Georgia (S.R. 124), and South Dakota (S.C.R. 7). Also, the Missouri House has introduced their own resolution (H.C.R. 33) which is very similar to the Senate-sponsored NAU resolution that was introduced by Senator Barnitz.

Hawaii: Senate Concurrent Resolution 96 – Hawaii Legislature Shows Wisdom Regarding Globalization by James Newcomb April 4th, 2007 To view SCR 96 click . Also SR 60 (Senate Resolution 60) click

Idaho: Idaho Legislators introduces HJM-5 urging the United States to withdraw from any further participation in the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. Sponsored by Representatives JoAn Wood, Cliff Bayer, Marv Hagedorn, and Senators Shirley McKague, Monte Pierce and Mel Richardson.

Illinois: NAU Resolutions Introduced in Georgia, Illinois, and South Dakota (11 states moving against the SPP/NAU)
The most recent states to introduce these resolutions are Illinois (H.J.R. 29), Georgia (S.R. 124), and South Dakota (S.C.R. 7). Also, the Missouri House has introduced their own resolution (H.C.R. 33) which is very similar to the Senate-sponsored NAU resolution that was introduced by Senator Barnitz.

Missouri: Missouri House has introduced their own resolution (H.C.R. 33) which is very similar to the Senate-sponsored NAU resolution that was introduced by Senator Barnitz.

Montana: Montana files Anti-NAU Legislation House Joint Resolution No.25 (HJ 25) Urging the U.S. Congress to withdraw from the SPP. See legislation . This legislation passed the third reading and has been moved into the senate.

Oklahoma: Oklahoma is the next state to move against the NAU!!! Senate Concurrent Resolution 10 introduced by Oklahoma State Senator Randy Brogdan 13 States NOW appose SPP/NAU!!! AS INTRODUCED: "A Concurrent Resolution urging the United States to withdraw from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and any other activity which seeks to create a North American Union; and directing distribution."

Oregon: Oregonians to Stop the North American Union:
Oregonians to Stop the North American Union in partnership with Honorable Senator Gary George are pushing Oregon SJM 5 (previously LC 2236). Senator Gary George along with 8 co-sponsors wish to tell the U.S. Congress and President Bush that they are opposed to the NAU/SPP. There's also a parallel bill in Washington State, Senate Joint Memorial 8004, which has been read and referred to the Committee on Economic Development, Trade & Management.

VIEW Oregon Legislation SJM-5
Pennsylvania: House Resolution 278 - introduced by State Representative Surra ((Referred to the House Committee on Intergovernmental Affairs on May 18, 2007). Contact the Office of Honorable Surra - (717) 787-7226

HOUSE RESOLUTION 278 Opposing any effort to implement a trinational political, governmental entity among the United States, Canada and Mexico; opposing the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America and initiatives pursued in conjunction with the partnership that threaten the sovereignty of the United States; and opposing a North American Union. Introduced May 18th, 2007

Latest Actions: Referred to INTERGOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS, May 18, 2007. Reported as committed, June 26, 2007

South Carolina: Resolutions to Block the North American Union Introduced in South Carolina and Virginia State Legislatures. Dedicated and determined Birchers in South Carolina and Virginia have met with success in their efforts to have resolutions against the North American Union introduced in their state legislatures

South Dakota: NAU Resolutions Introduced in Georgia, Illinois, and South Dakota (11 states moving against the SPP/NAU)

Texas: House Bill 3647 – Introduced by Representative Kolkhorst (a bill that would require the attorney general to produce a report on how NAFTA/SPP/NACC/WTO/GATS would effect state law) (Referred to the Committee on Border and International Affairs, passed in the Hosue on May 11, 2007, passed in the Senate on May 23, 2007, signed in the House on May 24, 2007, signed in the Senate on May 25, 2007, sent to the Governor on May 26, 2007) Contact Office of Representative Kolkhorst: (512) 463-0600 ext. E2.318

Tennessee: The Latest State to Introduce Anti-NAU Legislation - Introduced 02/21/07
View Legislation

Utah: (Utah) Resolution urges U.S. to withdraw from a North American Union Wednesday, January 24, 2007.
A (Utah) House committee unanimously passed a joint resolution Tuesday that urges the president and Congress to withdraw from the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. The resolution, sponsored by Rep. Stephen Sandstrom, R-Orem, now moves to the House floor for a vote.

Virginia: Resolutions to Block the North American Union Introduced in South Carolina and Virginia State Legislatures. Dedicated and determined Birchers in South Carolina and Virginia have met with success in their efforts to have resolutions against the North American Union introduced in their state legislatures

Washington: Washington Action Committee for Truth and Awareness of North American Union
State Senators urge President to cease creation of North American Union
Olympia, WA - Senator Val Stevens of Arlington (39th District) is joined by two other Republican Senators who have submitted a Memorial opposing the creation of a North American Union from a merger between the United States, Mexico, and Canada, to the 2007 regular session, of the Washington State 60th Legislature.

Stevens and Don Benton of Vancouver (17th District) and Dan Swecker of Rochester (20th District) referred Senate Joint Memorial #8004 to Committee on Economic Development, Trade & Management. It was read the first time January 23, 2007

Washington House Introduces Anti-NAU Resolution Yet another anti-NAU resolution has been introduced in a state legislature, signifying a growing distaste for the North American Union.

HCON 40 IH Sponsored by Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr. [VA-5] Title: Expressing the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North... (Introduced in House)
Sponsor: Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] (introduced 1/22/2007)
12 Co-Sponsors:
Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 2/16/2007
Rep Duncan, John J., Jr. [TN-2] - 1/22/2007
Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 1/22/2007
Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 1/22/2007
Rep Norwood, Charles W. [GA-10] - 1/30/2007
Rep Paul, Ron [TX-14] - 1/22/2007
Rep Regula, Ralph [OH-16] - 2/8/2007
Rep Saxton, Jim [NJ-3] - 2/8/2007
Rep Stearns, Cliff [FL-6] - 1/22/
Tancredo, Thomas G. [CO-6] - 2/16/2007
Rep Tiberi, Patrick J. [OH-12] - 2/8/2007
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 1/22/2007

Latest Major Action: 1/22/2007 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and in addition to the Committee on Foreign Affairs, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned.
 AvidArteest
Joined: 2/27/2007
Msg: 106
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Posted: 7/10/2007 7:06:46 PM
"So where in the stuff you posted is proof that somebody in charge is going in that direction?"

The REAL proof is when all of your income will be next too nothing.

It's happening Bubba...
 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 107
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Posted: 7/13/2007 8:35:02 PM
A long article which may shed some more light on NAFTA and SPP and why they may be leading us towards an NAU.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=29142
 Redbeard613
Joined: 12/25/2006
Msg: 108
SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 7/13/2007 10:12:21 PM
I absolutley oppose Nafta an the purpose Nau....but you can't just scrap nafta over night....it has to be phased out............it would crash the economy and make black tuesday look like a picnic!

The NWO in a sense is the next step in the scructure of capitalism which is

oligarchy (ŏl`əgärkē) [Gr.,=rule by the few], rule by a few members of a community or group. When referring to governments, the classical definition of oligarchy, as given for example by Aristotle, is of government by a few, usually the rich, for their own advantage. It is compared with both aristocracy aristocracy
, which is defined as government by a few chosen for their virtue and ruling for the general good, and various forms of democracy democracy [Gr.,=rule of the people], term originating in ancient Greece to designate a government where the people share in directing the activities of the state, as,or rule by the people. In practice, however, almost all governments, whatever their form, are run by a small minority of members. From this perspective, the major distinction between oligarchy and democracy is that in the latter, the elites compete with each other, gaining power by winning public support. The extent and type of barriers impeding those who attempt to join this ruling group is also significant.

Make no mistake the nau is no conspiracy theory......."they" have been working on this since the decay of the old world order
 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 109
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Posted: 7/17/2007 10:17:56 PM
Article about an upcoming North American summit(having to do with SPP) protest in Canada. Some consider it a stepping stone toward a NAU.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56703
 leanlife
Joined: 5/15/2007
Msg: 110
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Posted: 7/17/2007 10:30:05 PM
www.worldnetdaily.com
 Ms. Gibson
Joined: 2/13/2007
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Posted: 7/23/2007 4:38:10 AM
Perhaps you should join this group. You might find it insightful.

The Council of Canadians
http://www.canadians.org/integratethis/
 redwood34
Joined: 5/22/2006
Msg: 112
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Posted: 7/23/2007 11:34:11 PM
North American Union - Connecting the Dots

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6382
 Vicdude
Joined: 6/21/2006
Msg: 113
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Posted: 7/24/2007 9:39:13 PM
I'm joining the conversation late here but I just thought I'd chip in my two cents. Canada will never fully merge with the US, it will never happen, the populace would not stand for it. What may happen is we may join the NAU if we get to keep the majority of our soveriegnty and just sign some treaties regarding free movement of labour between US/Canada, a monetary union, continental defence (which is already happening anyways) that sort of thing. I wouldn't mind an NAU if it were limited in scope like that. As to free trade, in principle I'm in favour of it, I intensely dislike NAFTA however and think it needs to be massively renegotiated or phased out.
 Flyers_Phan
Joined: 1/16/2005
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Posted: 7/25/2007 6:02:19 AM

the populace would not stand for it.


what are we going to do, fight the government? Have an election and hope the next person doesn't go for it? It's already planned, at least it seems that way, who knows...
 Vicdude
Joined: 6/21/2006
Msg: 115
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Posted: 7/25/2007 11:54:05 AM
If it comes to that, just vote for someone who opposes it (I'm assuming the NDP would be against it). And if all the politicians are bought off...well, I'm not planning on being in the country for too much longer anyways.
 eye8one2
Joined: 3/1/2006
Msg: 116
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Posted: 7/25/2007 12:34:57 PM
Soon our countries foreign policies will be "entirely" dictated by the CFR and the World Central Banking Elites.

BOYCOTTS and Pickets of the corporations that are participating and to mold the future for our children and our children's children so as they are nothing more then consumers, playing a game for the amusement and benefit of a fraternity of inbred Mongols and their peons, need to be put out of business.

Follow the money and you find the cancer that is eating away at humanity and justice.

Take these people out of business and make an example of them, maybe their worshipers and those who abet them will change, although they would be prone to try and revive their agenda.

In any event, they own all the "pro guns" and all the bombs and all the religions, all the major industries and they are going after the few last countries on this planet that are not enslaved to them through centralized banking.

Canada is one of those few countries and as what is happening in the rest of those countries, where bankers control armies that kill innocent people and use the media to tell us that those who do not want to play a game of life with Monopoly money are terrorists.

I guess we do not want the banker and the elites to start a war inside our country and likely the politicians, in lieu of standing up to these scum, are allowing them to provide a calmer method to completely enslave us.

Truly, the bankers and their supporters are the true terrorists, they always have been.

Stop their scam (fractional reserve banking - usury), they can be stopped.

But remember, it wouldn't take them long to grow a new population or farm humans to have them play their rigged game. People need to realize that we are products to them and they can discontinue us and start a new product-line unless we are together.

We do not need to use their money, let's start doing it different, hell, I would help people out with my services for a variety of items. Barter networks are our best solution and boycotting the elites companies is a way to start as well as lobbying and nagging the government like the special interest groups who have torn society apart. No one is special, no one has rights above any other, we are all the same and we are all, with the exception of the inbred elites, the same, just show are more awake then others.
 namegame2
Joined: 4/17/2007
Msg: 117
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Posted: 7/25/2007 1:29:28 PM
How do I join this CFR? It sounds a wonderfull place, manipulating the world and all.
 eye8one2
Joined: 3/1/2006
Msg: 118
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Posted: 7/25/2007 6:13:37 PM
I was thinking you were already collecting a check or working on getting one. ;)

If you are not already aware, I will give a little info t help you understand the nature of the beast.

They (CFR) are a part of a group that has a philosophy that they should rule the world through a one-world government, New World Order.

They are doing this by deceit and deception around the world.

They have members who have risen to positions of power and they have members in the major industries, many they control.

They control many social and economic policies in many countries that relate to education and almost everything else.

They own the UN and many International organizations which are all fronts for their criminal activities.

The head of the snake is the world banking cartel.

These people have no allegiance to any country, they are working for a one world government, so they have no integrity towards the people or anything related to the countries where they have set up shop.

There group now has it's own country located in the middle east (they have had it since after WWII), they also took almost complete control of a religion/faith and own most of the media services and other essential services such as energy and more around the world.

They have people who are working their way up the ladder and others who are fulfilling the oaths there fathers/mothers, grand and great grandparents and much further took in exchange for safety from the deceit and the deception that they employ for gain.

They make up a micro-fraction of the worlds population and having control of money and of economies which allows them to buy and sell people, importantly, the military.

They work to bankrupt nations and cause problems throughout the various cultures and peoples by promoting all that is rotten and decay the morals of those within the nation Just look at the history of Germany and what happened to it. there were other nations before Germany and they were almost wiped out a few times but they kept at it, those little sneaky devils.

There is a bevy of proof and it is widely known that they consider those not in the know Goyim and treat them as cattle and laugh at them for their materialistic, superficial way of living. They give up their souls and they live3s toil in exchange for worthless crap and entertainment.

The side of good is always under attack from them and as you may have guesses, the NWO fraternity is responsible for the almost all political assassinations in the world and the overthrowing of governments around the planet. They do like popular people who are not corruptable or those who can attract a majority of people to them and their views, these people always get bumped off, good people, people who care about humanity. These are not the ones who pretend to be good to gain our trust and then show they are against us.

They are always both sides of any and all conflicts and use many tactics to create opportunities to grab more power and control over a naotions sheeple and the economy and policies thereof.

I would share more and hope to enlighten others but we have some of the Nite "owls" posting in here and also the constant deleting threads that offer people insight into the International fraud/banking scam that these atheist/globalist have been conducting for many many centuries.

But the light shines on them and the roosters of the world will always be there to try and awaken those who are sleeping in a bit to late.

Anyway, namegametwo - Are you one who enjoys our fine feathered friends?

Do tell,

Would you say you respect the owl more then the rooster?

I am pretty interested in your views.

 namegame2
Joined: 4/17/2007
Msg: 119
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:19:20 PM

Do tell,

Would you say you respect the owl more then the rooster?

I am pretty interested in your views.


I think it is a bunch of hoowey, but amusing hoowey. So I respect neither, but do respect the right of the roosters to howl away at the latest sunrise.
 eye8one2
Joined: 3/1/2006
Msg: 120
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Posted: 7/25/2007 7:28:59 PM
Just know, there are millions of people around the world who announce the sunrise and there are a few thousands owls sneaking around, in silence, with the cover of the night with truly bad intentions.

During the day, they pretend to be doves, all the while trying to hide their night time deeds from those who can barely see anything even in the light...8)

Enjoy the evening for what is worth.....8)

Good luck with your re-education, if you wish to take flight towards truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URimMtIwDoY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRjKyUYKfG4

Here's a little show for you "Nite Owls"
 emotionalheat
Joined: 6/27/2007
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Posted: 7/25/2007 8:40:21 PM
So far the best on target post I've seen is from Eye8. So I would like to post in addition to those comments.

Keep in mind that
1. the Euro Dollar has risen for the first time in 12 years, over the American dollar. Now search the phrase Central World Bank, and take a gander at the countries who have their own branches of a Central World Bank. Then look at why! There are several countries who have opened their connecting boarders in the same way that the NAU is attempting.

2. A couple years ago, I came across an obscure article on the web that addressed the Federal Reserve system becoming part of this Central World Bank. Not long after, I ran across another article discussing how our government was attempting to have the Federal Reserve "infiltrate" the CWB by becoming a member, and institute policy and regulations based on how the Federal Reserve works in the USA. Guess what, in 2006 Ben Benanke (unbelievably) has the reighns now in the CWB and it looks like he will have until at least 2010. The CWB begins to resemble the Fed. more and more. http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/truman0306-ga.pdf

3. For several years immigration from Mexico, legal and otherwise, has run rampant without control. When the outcry was loud enough, a "new" immigration bill was proposed. Some 1400 pages, so incomplete that it could not be even be presented for public view, and so full of hidden agenda that when it came for vote, it was decided to be tabled for another session. And then think that Bush himself, made comments that the border patrols and immigration movements were just temporary, while discussing the NAU with Mexican officials. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

4. If #3 is not enough, consider that the melting pot of the world, for the first time in it's history, has LAWS that require certain information to be distributed in BOTH English and Spanish.

5. For those of you who believe that we are simply gaining blue collar workers, you must ask yourselves - and what of middle America? Again, you have to do the research, and it's only on the web. Everytime you make phone call to a 24/7 number, the language you hear, may in fact be broken english, but it is a second language. Also, if you think your job is secure or if you think your skills and experience are worth anything, do some job searches. Thousands are out of work, and the jobs that they've had for the last 20 years are now paying between $5 and $15 dollars LESS and hour. That's 20 years of skill and experience that has built a way of life, down the drain. But it's more than that, it's an equalizer - the Federal minimum wage has just gone up. All those who have worked up from $5.50 to $8.50 and hour, over years, are now only slightly ahead of those who come into an industry with no experience. And those who loose jobs are being forced to take lesser paying jobs. Equalizing, slowly, the pay between, the working poor and the middle class. While the actual middle class is being 'globalized'.

Further, how will over the border workers be treated 'legally'. Will they be required to subscribe to the morals and values of the ethics that drive this country in the form of laws? Will income earned in America, by anyone, be taxable to America? Will we have to pay taxes to more than one governing body? Will the word extradition even have a meaning? Will the Amero become the new legal tender.

Finally, the big question, now that we have a Central World Bank, and that World Bank is gaining new members (like the Federal Reserve) is this a step toward TRUE globalization?
And if it is - we better all be looking at where the Power is, who holds those reigns and who are the driving force behind them all?

I SAY NO TO THE NAU AND ANY WHO WISH TO DO THE SAME THING --

The following except says it all. From: http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/commentary.asp?record_id=488
July 25, 2007 The End of America by: John W. Whitehead


"So what can we do about it?

First, we must demand that Congress closely analyze this proposed transnational merger. Second, Americans need to demand that President Bush be more forthright about his intentions. Third, “we the people” need to voice our concerns to our elected representatives and insist that they protect our rights. Certain members of Congress have already formed a Coalition to block the North American Union, while some states are working on resolutions that would oppose the implementation of a North American Union as well as any plans that would lead to the integration of the United States into a larger international governmental structure."

Mid August we meet with Canadian officials regarding the NAU. Speak up now!
 leanlife
Joined: 5/15/2007
Msg: 122
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Posted: 7/25/2007 11:27:38 PM
emotionalheat
For those of you who believe that we are simply gaining blue collar workers, you must ask yourselves - and what of middle America? Again, you have to do the research, and it's only on the web. Everytime you make phone call to a 24/7 number, the language you hear, may in fact be broken english, but it is a second language.


And those voices are buying American now they have money or, if American isn't good enough then some self reflection is in order.

emotionalheat
Thousands are out of work, and the jobs that they've had for the last 20 years are now paying between $5 and $15 dollars LESS and hour.


Then they should take advantage of Free Trade and SPP and move her to Alberta where you can start at $12 per hour if you give a hoot then move quickly to $20 plus if you are willing to work harder. So people powered short we are up here that it's unreal.

emotionalheat
That's 20 years of skill and experience that has built a way of life, down the drain.


No wonder the Chinese and EU are giving you grief. Your argument seems to be that the world owes these people a living simply because they did this for so long and were ther first rather than change to meet a world demand in a free market. Cheaper, better, faster are not a communist idea but rather a competivie idea.

emotionalheat
But it's more than that, it's an equalizer - the Federal minimum wage has just gone up. All those who have worked up from $5.50 to $8.50 and hour, over years, are now only slightly ahead of those who come into an industry with no experience. And those who loose jobs are being forced to take lesser paying jobs. Equalizing, slowly, the pay between, the working poor and the middle class. While the actual middle class is being 'globalized'.


Well they could become the new guy's bosses as they surely have more experience and make more than minimum wage. Or, sell their houses to the new workers for a profit and then move to a place that pays better bu, I think once again, you are saying is that things should stay the same because it is certain people's reality in that they cannot adapt, where others can.
 Trewq36
Joined: 2/9/2005
Msg: 123
SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 7/26/2007 9:12:38 AM
It is not so much a question of being Able to adapt. Us humans have proven we can adapt to most anything the planet throws at us.
It is more a question of not wanting to adapt to having a boot smashed into your face daily.

Oh and your suggested about selling your house to the new guy for a profit, only works if there are two new guys and one old guy with a house. What happens when it's two or four old guys to each new one. Then there's no profit to be made on your house is there?
 emotionalheat
Joined: 6/27/2007
Msg: 124
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SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 7/26/2007 11:21:33 AM
Responses made by LeanLife may come off as being flippant or arrogant, however, it may simply be a lack of understanding, either because I did make my points clear, or because our democracy and way of life are foreign. I hope the following provides a better explanation of my first reply for everyone.



emotionalheat
For those of you who believe that we are simply gaining blue collar workers, you must ask yourselves - and what of middle America? Again, you have to do the research, and it's only on the web. Everytime you make phone call to a 24/7 number, the language you hear, may in fact be broken english, but it is a second language.

leanlife
And those voices are buying American now they have money or, if American isn't good enough then some self reflection is in order.[quote/]


*What makes you think they’re buying American? The reason we’re talking to them in the first place is because they are paid a wage that could not be lived on here. So if they’re buying American, I want to know how they can get American cheaper than we can.


emotionalheat
Thousands are out of work, and the jobs that they've had for the last 20 years are now paying between $5 and $15 dollars LESS and hour.

leanlife
Then they should take advantage of Free Trade and SPP and move her to Alberta where you can start at $12 per hour if you give a hoot then move quickly to $20 plus if you are willing to work harder. So people powered short we are up here that it's unreal.[quote/]

*Most people are not looking to be part of a nomadic envoy. They are trying to maintain roots in community, in family and friends and create a stable foundation and home life.

However, If Alberta is willing, we have about 12 million Mexicans we can send your way.


emotionalheat
That's 20 years of skill and experience that has built a way of life, down the drain.

leanlife
No wonder the Chinese and EU are giving you grief. Your argument seems to be that the world owes these people a living simply because they did this for so long and were ther first rather than change to meet a world demand in a free market. Cheaper, better, faster are not a communist idea but rather a competivie idea.[quote/]

*The world owes us nothing, we owe the future of this world to those who will follow us. To leave them a world where government means only power for the rich is not a legacy I choose to leave without a fight. What is being committed to has not been open to this Democratic society. It has taken years to formulate and has been set up to secretly infiltrate, mascaraed by a an avalanche of dis-information. The whole process has taken place, virtually, in private and has taken away the power of the people to govern their lives via a congressional system.


emotionalheat
But it's more than that, it's an equalizer - the Federal minimum wage has just gone up. All those who have worked up from $5.50 to $8.50 and hour, over years, are now only slightly ahead of those who come into an industry with no experience. And those who loose jobs are being forced to take lesser paying jobs. Equalizing, slowly, the pay between, the working poor and the middle class. While the actual middle class is being 'globalized'.

leanlife
Well they could become the new guy's bosses as they surely have more experience and make more than minimum wage. Or, sell their houses to the new workers for a profit and then move to a place that pays better bu, I think once again, you are saying is that things should stay the same because it is certain people's reality in that they cannot adapt, where others can.[quote/]

*We have been sold a bill of goods called the American Dream. In that dream people who are willing to work hard, can afford a home for their family, a community of friendships and a foundation of safety and security. It was meant to end the break up of families who were forced to separate because the “jobs that paid well” were somewhere else. Americans "have worked hard" to provide such an environment and the government has been systematically destroying it, behind our backs. To save it, to protect it, we need to fight a government that we have let out of the bag. A government that keeps secrets and has missions to provide power and wealth for themselves, at the cost of a free society.
 leanlife
Joined: 5/15/2007
Msg: 125
SPP, NAFTA, NAU ~ Why?
Posted: 7/26/2007 10:04:20 PM
Trewq36
Oh and your suggested about selling your house to the new guy for a profit, only works if there are two new guys and one old guy with a house. What happens when it's two or four old guys to each new one. Then there's no profit to be made on your house is there?


Perfect opportunity to rent it out then. Room by room. The world doesn't owe you a living, nothing stays the same and in that, a home owner can become rich very fast. IN Calgary, houses doubled in price in the past two years bringing an average homeowner with a hundred thousand dollar house to suddenly owning a property worth close to half a million. If the jobs are outsourced, then either be poor or get moving. It's sad but, what do you do, force a company at gun point to open up in a place that makes no fiscal sense whatsoever and bankrupt them just to make the townspeople happy? I mean, you can't just go over the stock lists and yank a company to come to your town and open up. It has to make fiscal sense.

emotionalheat
Responses made by LeanLife may come off as being flippant or arrogant, however, it may simply be a lack of understanding, either because I did make my points clear, or because our democracy and way of life are foreign. I hope the following provides a better explanation of my first reply for everyone.


Actually, I have a good understanding of your way of life as it is virtually identical to ours. Both of us live in a market economy where when faced with competition, as the entire world is, cheaper, faster, stronger and better is far more desirable than tired, old, entitled, slower and more expensive. Wal Mart, the destroyer of the drive in movie theater is testament to that, sad as it is and, as each town on the continent begins to resemble the next with the strip of Wal Mart, Office Depots and so on, it continues it's encroachment on small town North America.

emotionalheat
What makes you think they’re buying American? The reason we’re talking to them in the first place is because they are paid a wage that could not be lived on here. So if they’re buying American, I want to know how they can get American cheaper than we can.


And in turn, their markets are opened up for your goods. If this employment was not permitted, you would find their governments unreceptive to US marketing and more to Chinese, Russian and such. Given the size of the Chinese and Indian markets, I would say it is an equitable trade. As well, if your goods cannot compete, then whose fault is that? Certainly not the consumers of the world who naturally seek cheaper, better quality goods just as we all do.

emotionalheat
Most people are not looking to be part of a nomadic envoy. They are trying to maintain roots in community, in family and friends and create a stable foundation and home life.

However, If Alberta is willing, we have about 12 million Mexicans we can send your way.


I don't either, however, when opportunities arose, I uprooted and moved and, possibly someday I may move back as do miss my old home. However, 'a buck is a buck' and, is a problem that people throughout time have had to deal with and make painful decisions over. What you describe is nothing new. Stay, be comfy and poor or, move and make better money. It will always be that way as companies close and open with new opportunities and inventions occurring all the time. It's a choice, nothing stays the same, no matter how much we wish it to.

As for the Mexicans, please, we certainly could use at least a hundred thousand of them and, in the near future, a lot more in neighboring provinces.

emotionalheat
It was meant to end the break up of families who were forced to separate because the “jobs that paid well” were somewhere else. Americans "have worked hard" to provide such an environment and the government has been systematically destroying it, behind our backs.


It was meant? I think you mean that's what you thought you wished it meant. Company comes in to make money. Hires people who can add value to product so they can make a profit. When conditions change and they no longer make a profit then they morph and people get laid off or, close and open up in another area. You can't regulate what a company does to make profit for shareholders and the decisions they make. If you do then it would be socialist which would degenerate the profits and shareholders would evacuate PDQ leaving everybody without jobs.

emotionalheat
A government that keeps secrets and has missions to provide power and wealth for themselves, at the cost of a free society.


Not sure what you mean as it is so ambiguous as all governments seek to enable and protect their taxpayer base in order to sustain themselves. Sort of a parasite/host relationship. If one dies, the other soon follows so to jeopardize the process is suicide.
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