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Posted: 1/18/2007 9:38:43 PM | Chivalry? OH YEAH ITS DEAD! Who killed it? Well women had a huge role to play in it. The murder of chivalry was commited in the 90's. It was killed off during the highschool years where all the girls dated the bad ass's but always kept the good boys only around so that they could complain to the good boys about the jerks they date. If a noble and honorable teen were to express their feeling to such a girl, three things would happen. She would laugh, saying how corny he was, she would say they were just friends and she didnt want to lose that friendship, and she ultimately refuse him. This sort of behaviour show that the girl does not even value him as an equal, but rather he was there to service her emotional needs, not the physical, and if the boy were to complain about how lonely he was, she would definitely not reciprocat the emotional support, for she would see him as weak, not want to date him, she would talk to her girl friends and the word would spread because we all know how much girls can talk. Enough rejections, and most guys soon began to notice that the jerks who only cared for themselves were the one getting all the affections from the other women these nice boys desired. Result, the nice boys soon copied the same behaviours they noticed from the other guys, and as a result, they would start to have dates and sex and so on. Fast forward a few years later, and now all the women ask where are the nice guys? What ever happen to john? He used to be such a nice guy. I guesse its true, you reap what you sow. The truth is nice guys were never truly appreciated for what they offered to a woman, because women knew they would get that any way without having to do anything in return, including being a real friend. A girl does not have to say yes to a nice guy, there are other ways to handle rejecting him, and when he is heart broken maybe you can actually help him. BUt that was not how it was done nor is it how it is done now. Human kind is a species that evolves, and as women evolves to becoming more dominate and more powerful in todays world in attempting to achieve equality. SO has man in the world of mating. Is this a bad thing or good thing, I honestly cannot say, but women, if you are to ask where are all the good men, time you begin to understand what the reprocussions are for your actions.
Now I know there is always the exception to the rule, so I am just speaking out in general here when looking at the mass, media (which is not the cause of public opinion, but rather a reflection of the public opinion), and from life experiences from plenty of people on all sides of the mating game. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 11:04:19 AM |
The truth is nice guys were never truly appreciated for what they offered to a woman, because women knew they would get that any way without having to do anything in return, including being a real friend.
I'm gonna use the tongs for this one and I'm going to make a bold assumption.
First off you're right...(most) women weren't and probably still aren't interested in nice guys who act like a real friends.
I don't try and sleep with my friends and I try to avoid pretending that I'm not interested in intimacy with a woman when I really am. Being "nice" is what friends do for one another. I'm interested in something a little more than friendship, so I'm going to hold out till I know she's interested or not.
Think of it this way. The following is an exageration, so bare with me:
All women are gold diggers....except mine
All women are skanks....except mine
All women are useless...except mine
All women are (insert negative comment)....except mine
The point is that I'm not going to give endlessly to every woman I come across. That would make me a chump. Since a woman expects me to earn her love, then she must earn mine too.
The murder of chivalry was commited in the 90's. It was killed off during the highschool years where all the girls dated the bad ass's but always kept the good boys only around so that they could complain to the good boys about the jerks they date.
The "nice guy" issue has been a common problem throughout history.
Hehehe...read the Miller's tale of The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer...there is a cute story about a nice guy named Absalon, a girl and the bad@$$.
Just don't get caught with your @$$ hanging out the window  | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 11:14:27 AM | | Swiftone, you are a wise man, and I find that much of what you say is dead on. To the women, if you really want respect and all the neat stuff that goes with chivalry, then you all need to help revive it. You want respect/ give it, you want love/give it, you want to be treated as special/be willing to do the same. From where I stand in life we men have been walking on eggshells for a long time. If we are to be real men we need to embrace the advances society has made for equality and the ideal way to instill an attitude of respect and mutual understanding is for men and women to act together and take the next steps in tandem. | |
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Posted: 1/19/2007 11:26:46 AM | | I understand what you are saying Phoenix.cinder, but for me the ideal is more important than the short term gain. And as for nice being weak: nope any of my ex's could testify that although my belief in respect is absolute, once they hit that core of myself that won't back up, that's it baby! No more Mr. nice guy. Not to say that I've abused or anything like that, it's just that they hit that part that refuses to give in and will not be comprimised with. In short that's when the game is over and it's time to pick up the toys and move on. I believe that we can and should try to introduce more mutual respect and who knows? Maybe one day it'll be the norm once more only a lot better this time around. | |
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Posted: 4/11/2007 4:22:29 AM | I think it's hard to find gentlemen, but given a chance, the kind of men you might not expect to will turn chivalrous.
The guy I am dating right now was sweet when we were dating casually. Now that we're trying out exclusive dating, he does more chivalrous things and is more openly affectionate.
I think that to receive, you have to give. And alot of men, because they are used to girls who don't treat them well, don't like to "put themselves out there" romantically in the beginning.
Many guys can swing either way in terms of how romantic they are, and if you are okay with him being cautious in the beginning, you might be pleasantly surprised in the end  | |
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Posted: 4/12/2007 4:06:01 PM | *read the first many pages, then skips to the end*
Several thoughts in no particular order:
One poster commented on how men should go back to walking at the curbside and standing when women entered the room (among other good points).
Well the reason men walked at the curbside was because the chamberpots were emptied beside the buildings from the upper floors and everyone used to stand whenever an equal or better regardless of sex entered the room as a measure of respect for their higher class status. Additinally, it was only recently that we were allowed to look our betters in the eye. Doing so used to be a serious social breach.
Still want those behaviours back? Not all old behaviours are better than what we have now.
If women want chivalrous behaviour, the solution is quite simple, disturbingly simple - so simple it's even taught in kindergarden:
Reward the behaviours you want, ignore or punish the ones you don't.
Leadership by example folks, leadership by example.
Feminists *talk* about equality, yet I've never once had a female open a door for me unless she was already a close friend, despite the hundreds of doors I've opened for women - complete with some of the most foul mouthed recognition I've heard sailors utter, let alone women. Ironically the most polite women are generally the married ones who recognise what a man can do for them. The single ones have the *you're only doing this to get sex* chip on their shoulders when they don't even pay enough attention to see that we weren't even looking at them, we simply noticed another human being walking behind us and held the door.
If women want to be treated with respect they have to get it the same way as everyone else....they have to earn it and the best way is to show it. Respect at one thing doesn't automatically translate to respect for everything - contrary to what the Feminists may teach.
Contrary to what many believe (deep breath, the claws'll be out after this) the only thing that matters, the only thing that is important in our society is the protection of heterosexual women of child bearing age and children. Everyone else is a luxury that we allow ourselves and we need to realise that. If they survive, humans survive. Without them, we're doomed. Why were the women and children put off the Titanic first? Well duh folks, because the rest were expendable. Chivalry recognises this and celebrates it. Feminists revile it because they *aren't* the ones being put into the life boats.
Reward the behaviours you want
Leadership by example.
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Posted: 4/12/2007 8:13:10 PM | Oh man, 10 pages of replies...
To me there are a few distinctions that should be made.
1) A man is someone with a****past the age of puberty
2) A gentleman is someone that will open doors for women, give up their seat, etc.
3) A chivalrius man is someone who goes to the defence of another person in need of assistance without having to be asked.
At any given time, a male can be any combination of the three. A man charging through a crowd to answer to a cry of help is being chivalrious, but at the same time not being a gentleman by pushing people around. A man, on a date where he holds the doors, seats, etc. for his date, is being a gentleman, but at the time there is no reason for him to be chivalrious. However, a chivalarious man will also have internal attributes that may never be seen, but at still there. For example, when a man feels that giving his word is worth more then all the signatures in the world, and actually means it, well, that is an example of an internal attribute.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that being a gentleman is a way of living. Being a chivalarious man is a way of being. I don't know if that makes any sense at all.
Now, did women kill chivalry? Yes, in a way I think they did. As chivalry and being a gentlemen are linked in many peoples minds, when women started berating men for being gentlemen, both died a very slow and painful death. Well, it's not dead yet, but it's laying on the floor in a pool of blood and the ambulance is caught in traffic.
To me it's a very sad state of affairs when the OP's question even gets thought, let alone asked. Being willing to sacrifice myself for the sake of another has nothing to do with how strong the other person is, or how much they have to contribute to society compared to me, any number of various things. It's more a matter of the fact that I'm in a position to help at that given time. Add in to that a dose of common respect for others, and you have the start of a great working society.
sadly, others have said these things in much better ways, so I'm just going to leave it at that. | |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:32:36 PM | Feminism has nearly, but not completely, destroyed chivalry.
Most people speak of chivalry as having something vaguely to do with opening doors and being polite. But it is much more. Those things are a small part of courtesy, which is itself only part of chivalry. Here is a code attributed to Charlemagne in "The Song of Roland".
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To obey those placed in authority
To guard the honour of fellow knights
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
To respect the honour of women
Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
Never to turn the back upon a foe.
Chivalry is a way of being, not just a way of acting. It is, in early-2oth century parlance, "being a man". It is seeing one's self as the protector, provider, and leader of the family and society, and it takes for granted the assumption that women require extra care and consideration because they are more easily damaged, both physically and emotionally. Feminism has told us that it's wrong to think this way, and that we should treat women as equals. Well, here we are, and most of you aren't happy, and neither are we. You see, when we treat you "as equals" (i.e., the same way we treat each other) it hurts your feelings, and makes us look like jerks. We men verbally abuse each other as a matter of course. We insult those we like the most. We tease and play jokes on our friends. We fight for fun. We call our brothers, sons, and best friends by the most horrible names we can think of. Women don't appreciate being treated like that.
Chivalry is also predicated upon the belief that it is the man's responsibility to guard the honor of women. This means that we take upon ourselves the responsibility to not seduce you because we recognize that you may be making a decision in the heat of passion that you will regret later, i.e., the chivalrous man doesn't toy with the emotions of women, because women are emotional. Feminism tells us that this, also, is wrong and degrading to women, because you have to be "empowered" to make your own decisions.
Of course, it's not ALL feminism's fault. There have always been dishonorable men, and there always will be, and you can deduce from the above paragraph why those men have a vested interest in not being chivalrous. It's just that feminism has led many more men to believe that it's alright to be that way, because they're "respecting your decision" or whatever.
So, to answer your question, what do women have to do to bring back chivalry? Abandon feminism, and let men be men. And work on bringing back the corollary feminine virtue to chivalry: modesty. Guard your honor. Value yourself enough to reject the advances of amourous dogs. Don't act like the wives on all modern TV shows: bossy, nagging, and emasculating. And, like previous posters have said, learn to pick the right men. You don't have to pick weaklings or losers, because chivalrous men are neither (see code above). But don't mistake the****ness and disregard for your feelings of jerkoffs for masculine confidence. Remember, you can't have your cake and eat it too. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 5:31:51 PM | You want chivalry back? Then slap the next stunned bunny you find quoting Andrea Dworkin, or any other such hate filled person. The militants have taken the center stage and claim to speak for the average woman. But expect more confusion from the guys side since we have been told for a long time that "chivalry is insulting to women".  | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 5:40:57 PM |
what do women need to do to bring back chivalry?
Why do you think Chivalry is dead ?? There are those of us who still believe it isn't dead. I still open doors for women when we arrive at the same time. When my car was in the garage for an extended period of time, I had to take the bus to work .. I gave my chair up to any woman who would have had to stand. I open the car door should a woman I'm dating ever be in the car with me. I bring flowers for no reason and send a text message or an email to let someone I'm dating know I'm thinking of them. I've never written a poem or a song but I've never let a greeting card speak for me .. finding some way to add my own words to the content of the card (I've managed to make my mom and daughter cry the last 5 Christmas' and birthday's.)
Those of us who still believe in chivalry could very well ask why women out there refuse to acknowledge or accept a chivalrous man but that would be a generalization that frequents these boards all too often. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 5:45:37 PM | I remember as a young man getting a slap for opening a door for a date ... needless to say, that was the end of that date.
I open doors, I hold chairs, I stand when a woman joins or leaves a table, I pick her up and drive, I pay for dates, I'll even order dinner for her if I know what she wants (I do consult) ... yup, old fashioned male chivalrist pig, me.
Simply, you want chivalry, be gracious in accepting it, not that you'll always get it. Stand on your own two feet as you've fought so hard to do, but if you're standing on my coat over a puddle, be gracious. A little flirtation goes a long way too when appropriate, but along with chivalry, perhaps true flirting is dead as a social grace. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 5:54:10 PM | I agree with nick that chivalry and feminism are incompatible.
I never gave any man a dirty look or anything but a smile and thanks for holding a door, opening my car door, or pulling out my chair, offering their jacket if I was chilled. I always consider it considerate and genteel.
My views and thoughts about feminism are not about romantic relationships, but more along the lines of equal opportunity in society, education and career.
I don't expect to be treated differently in my profession or in my position because I'm female. In my personal life, definitely preferred and now have a chivalrous man and my relationship with him does not interfere with how I am at work.
I keep my personal and private life as separate as possible. And I'd tell all you guys, if you're a chivalrous man, then definitely stay true to yourself. There are still many women who appreciate that. And those who don't, just pass them by, but don't let what they say or do affect how you are. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 6:17:12 PM | No -womens ideas of what "chivalry" is helped kill it.
Chivalry was developed from a code of battle formed by the skilled warrior and adopted by the early catholic church when it went to war. Protect the poor and the weak, if you capture an opponent treat him with dignity (you can kill all the archers, pikemen you want  they weren't knights) and many other rules. Today the word has more to do with common politeness and the acts of kindness.
What did women have to do with it's downfall, basically women today do not see themselves or want to be treated as "weaker"and in need of male protection. If they are not weaker the rules of chivalry do not apply and its open season(see archers above) | |
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Posted: 4/21/2007 11:16:36 PM | | Feminism destroyed chilvary?...I dont think so..Feminism gave me the opportunity to get an education, live where I want, practice birth control without the "consent" of my parent/husband, establish credit in my own name, buy my own car without a male cosign, vote...In short all the things men take for granted as rights.....Why would I NOT want that?....How would men feel if someone told them they had to "choose" between having civil and legal rights or being accepted and loved by a woman!...Cos thats what it sounds like some here are saying regarding women.....That being said.. I love it when a man is courteous and protective...I appreciate it when he fixes the car, makes repairs on the house, landscapes, works his butt off....I understand that his actions show his care and love for me.....If he cleans or does household stuff differently than me, who cares!...I sure dont....Not all women are control freaks ..I do not want to change that or him...I am happy to give him his "space" cos I also need that for myself....Having a man being chilvarous and respectful to a woman has nothing to do with denouncing feminism, giving up her rights, or accepting that she is "weaker" ...Thats a bunch of BS... | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 12:05:14 AM | Capegardengirl, you're not talking about chivalry, you're talking about courtesy and consideration, a common misconception.
Contrary to feminist propaganda, women were able to work, go to school, own property, live where they wanted, and all of those other things long before feminism. There were women physicians and lawyers in the 19th century. Feminists like to claim suffrage as one of their works, but they are really quite separate. I don't think anyone can seriously argue that women in 1920 (when the 19th Amendment was passed) were feminists of the type that we've seen since the 1960s. And, as far as birth control, why shouldn't your husband have a say too? It affects him as much as it does you. And if you're a minor, your parents should absolutely have control over your sex life. That's what parents are for: to make decisions that their children are not ready to make for themselves.
Feminism is about women being able to work and go to school like Communism is about the welfare of the workers, or National Socialism is about patriotism and cultural pride. It's a good cover, and it draws a lot of people in, but there's an entirely different agenda at its core; one much more sinister and dangerous. Here are a few actual quotes from feminists:
"I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which a man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." -- Former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan
"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French, Author, "The Women's Room"
"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, MS. Magazine Editor
"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin
"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual male, it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"
"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)
I know these things are hard to accept after a public education that has spent 12, 16, or more years indoctrinating us into this system of belief, backed by constant propaganda in TV, film, and print media. But all the brainwashing in the world doesn't change the truth. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 12:49:00 AM | Maybe. I'm a little bitter about it. Sometimes I want to go out and get a shirt that'll have a pic of a tombstone on it with "Prince Charming, RIP", with the caption underneath saying just "Congratz". That's how I feel about it someday.
I don't give up though. I do write the poems and lyrics. For the right girl, it makes them VERY happy to know you would put in the effort to express such things to them. I know from experience : )
The problem _I_ have, is that the women around my age are too ignorant about what a "nice guy" should be. A nice chilvrous guy is not a docile guy with his balls cut off, who awaits your every desire. That's called a "tool". A chivalrous nice guy is the one who does things for you, but not because you can't or won't, but because he wants to do a few little things just to show he cares. He's the kind'a guy who'll punch his friend (or want to) for making a sexist joke (the very demeaning kind) that could imply [you] in the slightest.
You want to bring it back? Sure, get rid of the feminazis, as someone put it. Make women (the young'uns) more respectful to first themselves, and then to their menfolk. If they see that they don't need all this doting over them we (could) do, they'll appreciate small things more. If they respect men for being nice guys (but not tools, of course). Oh and get rid of this idea that a "thug" is a hot type of male. A thug is the opposite of your chivalrous-type guy. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 6:12:09 AM | | "women were able to go to school, own property.live where they wanted way before feminism"..Wrong...Before the early 20th century, many colleges were closed to women...Those that accepted them were often "womens colleges" rather than universities where alot of research took place...Married women were not allowed credit in their own name without a cosignner untill the 1960s...My mother, grandmother and great grandmother can attest to that..Many bright and capable women during the 19th century and before were denied college by their fathers who felt education was a waste of time for females..There were a few women doctors and lawyers in the 19th century, but it was rare..In the average family, the brother was sent to college rather than the sister, even thou she might have been the brighter one with higher marks.....Ive worked with many older women clients who were denied college in favor of the brother, even though she had the better marks and was better suited..They often watched in frustration while the favored brother dropped out of college ...In the 19th century, there was a law that stated married women were not independent beings who could act for themselves.....They could not own property on their own....If the couple divorced, the children automatically went to the father, the mother had no say in the matter...It did not matter if he was an alcoholic, abusive, etc....There was one legal voice in the marriage and it was that of the husband...Leagally, he could take over the property she brought with her into the marriage and make it his own...He could use up all her inheritaince and there was nothing she could do about it...E A Stanton tells of a woman in the 1830s who begged her lawyer father for help because her husband was using her inheritance money to drink and gamble , leaving the mother and children without food and destitute...He replied there was nothing he could do since legally she was not a seperate being from her husband...Stanton was shocked and horrified....My grandmother, who wanted to go to college and was refused, had to do the chores of her brothers when they left for college even while it was she who had the higher marks in high school than her brothers, even graduating saluditorian of her class!...This happened to so women, they had to do their learning quietly on the side without any formal help...It was Margaret Sanger who helped make birth control legal in the 1920s...Before that, no one could purchase birth control devices or information legally or even educate the public about reproduction due to the Comstock Laws...Sanger chose to make it her cause after witnessing the death of her mother following a 10th pregnancy...It was the work of Alice Paul, Carrie Chapman Catt, Susan B. Anthony Elizabeth Cady Stanton and others who pushed for the 19th amendment that allowed women to vote....Not men....And they were all feminists..Today, feminists have pushed for battered women shelter funding so abused women could have a place to go to eacape the batterer and plan ahead to take care of themselves and their children...Before their hard work, even police looked the other way and refused to arrest the batterer ...Feminism is about giving women opportunities who didnt have them before...Thats makes life better in many ways for both men and women.....Why on earth would men want partners who are unhappy because she doesnt have the same legal rights as men?..You definitely need to read your history here.... Today, for most women, feminism isnt about hating men and its not about "taking over" either..Its not some paranoid, Communist "agenda" thats out to get men......Thats wrong and misguided and hateful..Its about working together, men and women, with both having legal and civil rights........I agree with you about some feminists being misguided about men and what feminism stands for, but that by no means is ALL feminists...I would never agree with those quotes you listed yet I am greatful for the opportunities Ive had because the feminists before me made that happen.....Dont lump us into some category with hateful, misguided folks who often get media attention but do not represent the views of the average feminist....The feminists I know and talk to dont have those beliefs...Often they are in a loving marriage with a supportive husband.....There are differences between men and women that I love and celebrate.. However, those differences should not mean one is "better" or superior than the other, yet thats exackly whats happened regarding women historically.. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 6:26:45 AM |
Feminism destroyed chilvary?...I dont think so..Feminism gave me the opportunity to get an education, live where I want, practice birth control without the "consent" of my parent/husband, establish credit in my own name, buy my own car without a male cosign, vote...In short all the things men take for granted as rights.....Why would I NOT want that?....How would men feel if someone told them they had to "choose" between having civil and legal rights or being accepted and loved by a woman!...Cos thats what it sounds like some here are saying regarding women.....That being said.. I love it when a man is courteous and protective...I appreciate it when he fixes the car, makes repairs on the house, landscapes, works his butt off....I understand that his actions show his care and love for me.....If he cleans or does household stuff differently than me, who cares!...I sure dont....Not all women are control freaks ..I do not want to change that or him...I am happy to give him his "space" cos I also need that for myself....Having a man being chilvarous and respectful to a woman has nothing to do with denouncing feminism, giving up her rights, or accepting that she is "weaker" ...Thats a bunch of BS...
Well said .. I think some are splitting hairs when they state women had rights prior to suffrage or the advent of women's rights. Yes there were Dr's and Lawyers but the equal opportunity or acceptance of women in those roles took many years to evolve though some might say we still haven't fully evolved as a society where that area is concerned.
All that being said, I want to meet a woman who is confident in who she is but I also don't want a woman that I can't pamper or show respect to. I like opening doors. I like doing all those things some feminists are offended by. | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 7:09:51 AM |
handicap...I think your views are representative of most men I talk to ...Showing respect for women dosnt mean men cant open doors or be protective or pamper them...Most women I know love that and would miss that
Unfortunately the actions of a few seem to force labels on all of us by some.
I only recall a single time where my attempt to be polite was "frowned" upon. I was in grade 11 and taking public transit to school. I was seated and a group of people got on the bus and a woman in her mid to late 30's was left standing. I got up from my seat and offered it to her and she made snide remark about how she was perfectly capable of standing and didn't need my seat. I apologized for being polite and offered it to a woman who got on the next stop who thanked me.
Aside from that, every woman I've opened a door for or done something for has usually smiled and said thank you .. I refer to that as using your manners. I have had more men walk through an open door who refuse to employ those same manners. Where would we be as a society if we used our manners just a little more often or didn't things quite so seriously ?? | |
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Posted: 4/22/2007 8:29:12 AM | Women killed chivalry. Feminists and liberals favour hostility and suspicion between the genders, for various reasons. These days, a man who holds a door open for a women is likely to get a dirty look, a kick in the nads or maybe a lawsuit.
To bring back chivalry, women need to:
* accept having men treat them with respect and courtesy
* respond favourably to gentlemanly behaviour
* stop endlessly trashtalking men
* be just a bit ladylike
Being ladylike is not acting the helpless damsel in distress; it is behaving in a responsible, courteous, adult manner. A bit of that would go a long way. | |
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