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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/27/2006 7:26:25 PM | what do women need to do to bring back chivalry?
women should work hard at this.What I want is the following.
(1) When I get home from the race track I would like a hot meal waiting for me, and a cooler full of Bud Light beside the couch.
(2) When I get home from a long day at the bar with friends I would like Rose petals all over the bed with scented candles in the room, with my lady ready to fill my every desire.
(3) When I get home after a rough day at the strip club I would like for her to fill the tub with hot steaming water (don't forget the bubble bath), and a chilled bottle of white wine.
And in between those times she could cut the grass ( shovel snow, depending on the season) take out the trash, clean the gutters, wash and wax my truck.
And whatever else she wants to do.
This is 2006 and it is time for women to start kissing our azzes like we have done yours for generations.
All interested females should contact me for an application.
P.S. Interviews will start immediately.
1) cool beer is easy to take out from fridge but hot meal will remain hot only for so long with the exception of stew, but it can be done if you and your wife time it well, plus one thing, you ll need to be the traditonal husband here, if you want a working wife (as in like a daytime office job), your idea wont be fesible.
2) if you had handled your drinks well, its quite romantic, but again, yes, you ll need to time it. petals only stay fresh for so long,
3) bubble bath with chilled bottle of wine, wine or champagne or other drinks are all fine, one boy i went out took me to a strip club with him, girls were all over him like bees, its cute! we enjoyed the show and had a moon lit walk back home.
4) in between - this is easy, as long as theres sufficient funds for servants.
5) kissing - i ll leave that part to your own discretion.
6) female application? are you looking for other spiece 'to hire'? i think if you want a lady like you describe, more likely than not, you ll need to pursue her, as the chances of one comes knocking on your door is slimer than the winning 10 consecutive lottery. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/27/2006 8:22:25 PM | the problem is many women confuse "preferential treatment" for equality
its been distorted to be used by some womens groups as a weapon against the accursed male of the species who must be erradicated at all costs because every knows that a penis is evil
so i am aevil and need to be spanked - send me to your room | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 8:24:50 PM | So we men have two possibilities:
1) She really believes he is the center of her world and it makes him happy.
2) She makes him believe that he is the center of her world and it makes him happy.
I am of the belief that if a woman does this, she will be the center of his world and make both of them happy. Men need someone to believe in them wholeheartedly, just as women need it as well
I cringe every time I hear some poor man lambasted by a shrewish wife in public. Makes me want to slap her silly. If you don't want to make him the center of your world, love, honor, and support him in his every endeavor, why marry him in the first place? | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 9:57:08 PM | | yes they did, im all up for women have equal pay,etc, and i do hold doors open all the time for women, but why do i see women who want to be equal to men, but still expect u to hold door open, if they want equality, they'll join the shoving for bus, not expect a nice man to wait for her, they cant be some superior species who get it both ways. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/27/2006 10:52:14 PM | The problem is many women confuse "preferential treatment" for equality
I know that attitude exists, and it's ridiculous and embarrassing.
But I still feel it's not a lost cause. Some of the stories I'm hearing on this this thread and others like it don't actually relate to what I see in my everyday life. The men and women I know work for a living and want to make a fair wage for their efforts, they try to treat people (of both genders) with respect and courtesy, and appreciate it when they get the same treatment.
My women friends love men who are good, masculine men in their personal relationships. My men friends love women who are good, feminine women. And to honest, most of them are in pretty good long-term relationships. So something must still be working. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/27/2006 11:53:23 PM | | I agree with you Dawn in that I am not seeing many examples of the types of people a lot of the guys here are talking about. One thing I do notice though is that it seems that the younger generations are not being taught many, if any manners. | |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 4:09:04 AM | anno,
I've/we've taught our childern manners and I see/hear that they use common decency and respect most of the time. Mind you ,toward each other I sometimes wonder though!
Really ,I know many young people who have manners,decency,and respect. Of course I know some who don't. Sounds like when I was growing up actually.
As for the topic of this thread , just be ourselves and accept kind acts for what they are. I offer chivalry at times and will continue to regardless of the response. It simply feels good ,regardless of the gender offering it.
I wouldn't over analyze this ,people are like food on a diet ;there will be good,so-so, bad , and some we want regardless ..lol.
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/28/2006 4:27:16 AM | | Nice post, Mastermechanic! What you said about children and us teaching them manners, especially. That reminds me about a phenomena called "killer-grandmas/pas" - we had a discussion at home about how to react to unpolite adults. My opinion was: try to avoid and ignore but there are limits what you have to accept. - Ignoring and avoiding might be sometimes good for us adults, too, between one another. The next thread - Simsalabim, mind to join? | |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 9:44:23 AM | I don't understand where the generalizations come from ?
I don't know any femin-Nazis at all....absolutely none.
I know women who are pushovers, and men who have "male permissions" to behave badly.
That is the opposite of chivalry -- that's it.
You have to choose to behave a certain way in YOUR OWN LIFE according to YOUR VALUES.
I don't know any "feminists" -- further --- with the "male permissions" to behave badly, it is exactly like saying.....one is white, and therefore can behave badly, and this "feminazi" thing looks to me...like men bahvaing badly don't like anyone standing up for themselves.
ON THE CONTRARY gentleman -- here is what I've run into. I'm both extremely traditional and extremely ambitious - having raised 2 children myself -- I'm both. I find it's extremely difficult to find a man who has traditional values though. Instead, there are classless and antifemale punks -- and in the old days,....the men of the village judged you by this. In the old days, men didn't stay single until they were middle aged, live with men, and bully and talk badly about women...so they could hang out with men. The village elders knew what that was....Ssshhhh.
What I see here is a weird trend --- sexual identification issues and narcissim expressed through uncaring behavior toward women. I don't think "chivalry" is dead anymore than I don't know any so called nazis. I think it's an issue of the class men associate with, thier class training, and parenting. Watch Jerry Springer --- trash is trash.
If a person wants to behave trashy -- then it's kind of hard to get the "ghetto out of Cisco" . Men who don't like women should date men, and women who don't like men, should date women.
No one is forcing you to like women.....you can like men if you want. That's okay. Just don't put it off on the nice heterosexual ladies who are just looking for a manly man. You can express your preference however you like. I like men. I only dislike men -- who don't really like women -- and thus act it out. You are what you act like....not what you "say" about your preference, but badmouth a lady..... and be with men. It's all what you do.
Heterosexual is an activity - not an ocassional tip of the hat for appearances. I also don't know any women who will be nasty to thier guy, and go hang out with women !!!! See how weird it looks after all ??? I know NO women who have those pasttimes.
In my experience truly heterosexual guys don't do these things. They like women, and they haven't seen thier buddies in months. Too busy having a marriage and a life, even a family. That's heteroexuality...in practice. You are what you live and what you do. Period. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/28/2006 10:06:07 AM |
Is a lady only treated as a lady after she's demonstrated she is one?
While I do not know if she agrees with my extrapolation, I have to agree with Bucsgirl. Women didn't kill chivalry, nor did men. People killed chivalry. Recent generations have become possessed with looking at their own navel and taking care of their own needs to the exclusion of others. John F. Kennedy would be laughed off the podium today if he dared to demand that we "Ask not what your country can do for you: Ask what you can do for your country." We are a me people. That is not women's fault, but they too have participated in it. You can see it in some of the whiners on here suggesting (I hope sarcastically) that when women get their beer for them, then they will be chivalrous. Chivalry has never had to do exclusively with male/female relationships. Leon Gautier put forward one of the early expressions of the Code of Chivalry which not once mentioned men and women.
"1. Thou shalt believe all the Church teaches and shalt obey her commandments.
2. Thou shalt defend the Church.
3. Thou shalt respect all weaknesses and shalt constitute thyself the defender of them.
4. Thou shalt not recoil before thine enemy.
5. Thou shalt make war against the infidel without cessation and without mercy.
6. Thou shalt perform scrupulously thy feudal duties, if they be not contrary to the laws of God.
7. Thou shalt never lie, and shalt remain faithful to thy pledged word.
8. Thou shalt be generous, and give largesse to everyone.
9. Thou shalt be everywhere and always the champion of the Right and the Good against Injustice and Evil."
Charlemagne's code of Chivalry likewise only indirectly addresses courtship issues
Love God Almighty with all your heart and all your powers
Love your neighbour as yourself
Give alms to the poor as ye are able
Entertain strangers
Visit the sick
Be merciful to prisoners
Do ill to no man, nor consent unto such as do, for the receiver is as bad as the thief
Forgive as ye hope to be forgiven
Redeem the captive
Help the oppressed
Defend the cause of the widow and orphan
Render righteous judgement
Do not consent to any wrong
Persevere not in wrath
Shun excess in eating and drinking
Be humble and kind
Serve your liege lord faithfully
Do not steal
Do not perjure yourself, nor let others do so
Envy, hatred and violence separate men from the Kingdom of God
Defend the Church and promote her cause.
The Duke of Burgandy in the fourteenth century listed the 12 chivalric virtues as
faith, charity, justice, sagacity, prudence, temperance, resolution, truth, liberality, diligence, hope and valour.
When André le Chapelain wrote "De Amore" addressing the issue of courtly love at the request of Marie of Troyes, daughter of King Louis VII of France, he applied the values of Chivalry to courtship:
"Thou shalt avoid avarice like the deadly pestilence and shalt embrace its opposite.
Thou shalt keep thyself chaste for the sake of her whom thou lovest.
Thou shalt not knowingly strive to break up a correct love affair that someone else is engaged in.
Thou shalt not chose for thy love anyone whom a natural sense of shame forbids thee to marry.
Be mindful completely to avoid falsehood.
Thou shalt not have many who know of thy love affair.
Being obedient in all things to the commands of ladies, thou shalt ever strive to ally thyself to the service of Love.
In giving and receiving love's solaces let modesty be ever present.
Thou shalt speak no evil.
Thou shalt not be a revealer of love affairs.
Thou shalt be in all things polite and courteous.
In practising the solaces of love thou shalt not exceed the desires of thy lover."
Chivalry at its roots was a Christian doctrine of devotion to God, to ones betters, to ones country and ones woman. In terms of courtship it gave women the upper hand. If Chivalry has died, it is as much the death of god as anything else that has caused it. Many on here suggesting ways to return to "chivalry" sound more like post chivalric self obsessed buffoons who never understood chivalry's requirements.
Now lest I be accused of again turning a thread into a plot line for a novel, I'll cease and desist. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/28/2006 10:41:06 AM |
But that is the very problem. Chivalry rightly understood is not something "deserved", it is something obliged.
The problem with going by it's historical meaning is that, well....times changes. Ideals change. Some concepts don't work forever.
I shouldn't be obligated to treat some woman that I just met like a queen when what women really want it to be equal. I shouldn't have to jump through all these hoops to gain some womans affections when she is doing nothing to prove that she is worthy of mine. She should get no special priviliges just because of her sex. Just like I should get no special priviliges because of my race. It's no different. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/28/2006 10:44:34 AM |
I also don't know any women who will be nasty to thier guy, and go hang out with women !!!!
You don't know many women do you? I see them on here whining together about men. I see men on here whining about women. They're about equivalent in number. Your suggesting that the men that do that are "not heterosexual" would be offensive to the gay community Misogynism and a preference for men ARE NOT identical! | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/28/2006 11:04:53 AM | From another thread khrockproducer writes:
Any guy putting you off, strange stories, alibies, etc.....please email me about this privately. Sharing info privately to heal and protect each other...Thanks. Kim
and on here she writes
I also don't know any women who will be nasty to thier guy, and go hang out with women !!!!
Truth will out. You not only know such women, you encourage them to contact you in order to "heal." So if men do it, they're homosexual, but if women do it they're "healing." God, that's a double standard if I ever saw one. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/28/2006 11:22:32 AM |
You don't know many women do you? I see them on here whining together about men. I see men on here whining about women.
That is what the forums are here for!
That aside, I think the forums reflect a great disparity between the needs and expectations of both genders with regards to the opposite sex. A smart person would read them and take in the information to use for self introspection.
In a lot of cases, I think the whining may be a reflection of whom we have chosen in the past. If we examine it, then perhaps we can choose more effectively in the future. If we don't, the same mistakes will be made again and again and blamed on the other party. | |
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/29/2006 9:41:49 PM | This one is easy!
How would a guy know that you want him to be chivalrous if you don't tell him thats what you want? Heck, most of them don't even know what that word means, lol. Women, whether feminist or not, often never tell their men what kind of treatment they would like. Men always tell us what they want in us, but we don't tell them what we want.
I hate to give long winded speeches to my guy about what I want/expect/desire. So what I do is I have a little white book, (kind of like a journal only okay for him to read) inside my nightstand that is filled with all my desires and he reads this when he feels like it. My man knows what I like and what I don't. And, I don't have to lecture him about it, lol. Works great for both of us! Good luck to you. And remember you could act like a lady till the cows come home and it won't change his behavior one bit! You have to tell them!
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| did women kill chivalry? what do we need to do to bring it back?
Posted: 10/29/2006 11:24:35 PM |
How would a guy know that you want him to be chivalrous if you don't tell him thats what you want?
Being Chivalrous isnt something you should ask your s/o. It is something a man should do of his own volution because he believes in it. If you ask him to be chivalrous then is he really?
I mean sure you can tell him, but chivalrous is a way of living. It's something you do because you believe in it. If i open a door to a woman it's because i believe in it.
if a woman drop something i will rush to pick it up for her and give it to her.
You can try to learn it but it's not something that comes easy. Especially if it isnt something you never enforced yourself to do.
How to bring it back? short of letting Holywood and the TV to brainwash us into making it fashionable you wont see it happen. For starter there's just too many jerks around. Also it isnt just some guys who couldnt care less, it's some women who dont care for a guy to open the door, help her put her jacket on when you are done eating and heading out. Offering your own jacket if she is cold, even if it is cold for you as well.
Some women simply dont like it as it feels it lessen them. So i guess you have to be lucky if you want to have your S/O to learn it. Even then, no one is perfect. I like to think i am chivalrous but sometimes i forget or just have a dumb moment. So if you want him to be Chivalrous dont expect perfection. I dont think there's a code for "modern Chivalry" and what one has to do.
Just do anything in your power to make sure she is comfortable, treat her well, dont speak poorly of women etc etc. That being said there's more to it then the standard Open the door and such. Today i was outside it was snowing. My car was full of snow, i cleared mine and then saw this women who was cleaning hers. I helped her scraped the ice of the windshield. It's a myriad of things that you can do to better the life of a woman. Just have open eyes and you will see plenty of ways to act the part.
What gets me is that isnt this supposed to be, just common sense?
So why then is it supposedly dead?
One question i ask myself, what is the point of view of a woman on Chivalry. What do they desire, how do you view it exactly? I cant say i have seen many women not enjoying someone being chivalrous but it does happen.
Nevertheless, it something that you gota shrug and move on...I do hope this little bit help. Hopefully it helps. | |
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