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Smjle
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Joined: 9/19/2006
Msg: 51 | |
| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/20/2007 10:27:37 AM | I don't think so. It clearly states on the site that from this point forward their poll would only include those candidates that score at least 1% on the most recent Gallup Poll. I guess your guy just didn't make the cut.
Give me a break. That only proves what I've been saying. There is a media blackout on Ron Paul. Ron Paul is not included in the Gallup Polls. However, Ron Paul is the Republican winner in most of the internet polls when he is included.
And you lie. In the Pajamas poll you cannot vote more than once during a week. If after you voted, you click on voting, you are not allowed to vote; that page is bypassed. Instead you get the message "Thank you for your vote, vote again next week." Even if somehow you defeat that, your vote is not counted because, as they clearly stated, all multiple votes from the same I.P. address are voided. Or do you claim that you didn’t see that? It is prominently displayed.
The corporate media must hate the internet because they cannot control the information people get from the internet. So they hire shills, such as yourself, and they are all over the internet posting lies, attempting to confuse, and mislead. They sound very smart; they have a manual with pat replies. A very common reply is ‘conspiracy theory’; anyone that discovers facts and truths that the primary media hides are called conspiracy nuts. I’m just now beginning to be able to pick out the paid shills by the common wording they use.
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/20/2007 10:58:47 AM | I said:
"I notice also that you can vote in some of these polls more than once. how many times did you vote?"
Did you see me specifically mention the Pajammas Poll? No you didn't....do you understand the meaning of the word "some"? Now go back to the straw poll site...look down the lefthand side to the "junk Poll"...see where it says you can vote an unlimited amount of times...don't call me a liar, boy. Show a little maturity. BTW...your boy Paul is third in that one....got a snappy reply for that?
"Ron Paul is the Republican winner in most of the internet polls when he is included.
And we all know that since you read it on the internet, it must be true.
"So they hire shills, such as yourself, and they are all over the internet posting lies, attempting to confuse, and mislead."
Careful boy....calling someone names will get you banned....but i'm sure you'd think was tied to the great Ron Paul conspiracy too
"I’m just now beginning to be able to pick out the paid shills by the common wording they use."
Damn you're funny....OK...if you think I'm a troll or paid shill....do your own poll....email any person on this site I've debated or agreed with and ask them if they think i'm a paid troll.
Man, have you got a lot to learn...that's OK...keep seeking the truth....I didn't know shit when I was 23 either....you'll get it one day. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/20/2007 11:17:35 AM | I really want to comment on this thread but both David Rockefeller and George Soros asked me not to for fear that we will be exposed.
There will be a nice raise for you in the next check Cav. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/20/2007 11:46:46 AM | | ^^^^Good I need the money to support my network of evil forum shills and politcal trolls....being part of a conspiracy can get a little expensive. | |
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Smjle
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Joined: 9/19/2006
Msg: 55 | |
| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/20/2007 2:32:50 PM | "I notice also that you can vote in some of these polls more than once. how many times did you vote?"
Good grief, even after I catch you in a lie, you still lie. You can play your word games; you are good at that, but it doesn't change the fact that I only mentioned three polls--the Pajamas, the Condensed, and the Expanded polls. In none of these polls can you vote more than once. If you attempt to vote twice it gives the message that you have already voted, your vote is not added to the total. In the polls where Ron Paul is included, he is winning the Republican vote. And, your so called junk poll where you can vote multiple times is not a valid poll even if someone wishes to call it a poll.
Readers, don't believe me. Don't believe Cavalier1968, an expert in word verbiage. Go to the two sites and three polls I mentioned. Then judge for yourself who is telling the truth. The sites are: http://www.strawpoll08.com/ and http://pajamasmedia.com/ | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/21/2007 5:36:25 AM | Smjle,
Okay, I looked at the sires you suggested. I never could get pajamas to show a poll but that may be a problem with my own computer. The other one strawpoll is one where anyone can access it and vote. That is hardly scientific. It shows its own statistics as 22% of responders as Libertarian. Compare that with the number of Libertarians that actually exist in America. In National election Libertarians never poll more than 1 to 2 %. I did try to vote more than once and it would not let me. A poll that allows the general public that has an interest in it to vote without any bono fides is about as accurate as a poll on American Idol.
You are trying to compare this poll to those that use demographics and a sizable sampling of a voter base to determine how the nation might vote. Nice try but these sites are hardly scientific or accurate based on all other polls. If you believe that all other polls are controlled by that banking conspiracy you keep mentioning then I see little hope of you understanding how politics actually works. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/21/2007 5:50:58 AM | While we're posting links, here's one that shows a different side of Ron Paul...one my young friend, smjle, wouldn't tell you about.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/08/AR2006070800966.html
Some good ideas......and some really bad ones.....but most importantly he would be totally impotent as President. As much we all hate how Washington works, it is what it is....and Paul has so alienated most members of Congress that he might literally get NOTHING done. You can't piss in everybodys Cheerios(especially his own party's)then expect them to cooperate or support you.
I do think the man has a few things right but I think he can be much more useful staying in Congress where he can force debate on things he feels strongly about.
I did an experiment for you, smjle(not scientific at all..just to satisfy my own curiosity...to see if I was wrong about Paul's name recognition)....I have 12 people working in my office...all but 3 have Bachelor's degrees, 2 have Master's....I asked them all a simple question..DO you know who Ron Paul is? Excluding myself.....2 knew who he was...only one of them knew he was running for President.
It's not a conspiracy...there are simply much more recognizable names running. Think about it....we are more than 18 months from the election and there are literally dozens of candidates running...why would ALL the media collectively blackball a guy who is pulling less than 1% in any major poll this far out from the election? They wouldn't. Internet polls don't mean shit....can you not see what a limited part of the electorate would participate in such polls.....can you not see how incomplete a picture you're trying to pass off on us?
Dr. No should stay where he is. | |
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Smjle
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Joined: 9/19/2006
Msg: 58 | |
| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/21/2007 1:52:03 PM | It's not a conspiracy...there are simply much more recognizable names running. Think about it....we are more than 18 months from the election and there are literally dozens of candidates running...why would ALL the media collectively blackball a guy who is pulling less than 1% in any major poll this far out from the election? They wouldn't.
Nice try, but that dog won’t hunt. The Gallup poll, at http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2007-02-13-2008-poll.htm, lists Wesley Clark Christopher Dodd, Joe Biden, Dennis Kucinich, Tom Vilsack, Mike Gravel, Al Sharpton, Evan Bayh, Russ Fiengold, Tom daschle, Condoleezza Rice, George Allen, Bill Frist, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Tommy Thompson, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo, George Pataki, and Chuck Hagel, all of who are less reconigned and have less support than Ron Paul who they conspicuously ommited. You might convincing argue that a few of forgoing, such Thomas Daschle, a former and Senate Majority Leader from South Dakota that was defeated on November 2, 2004, by the Republican candidate, John Thune, has more name recognition but certainly even he has less support, let alone the others.
Thank you for referring me to the very good article about Ron Paul. However, since that article was prior to the last election and before Ron Paul announced his 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee, it does not change the fact that there is media blackout about Ron Paul candidacy.
Thank god that a few politicians such as Ron Paul would vote against that abomination referred to as the Iraqi war where actions by the United States has caused the death of more than a half million Iraqis and displaced millions more. Not only is it costing $trillions, our unprovoked attacked on Iraq, a country that was no threat to the United States, can be likened to the attack on Poland by Germany. And, if you read foreign news, that’s how much of the world views it.
I only wish other politicians in congress had looked out for the interests of Americans and voted against that $62billion give away to their cronies. Ask the victims in New Orleans how much of that $400,000 per family they received.
In any event, my purpose here is to show there is a media blackout of Ron Paul and I have clearly established that. I don’t wish to address all your straw men arguments and I don’t care to waste my time discussing politics with you. You are not going to change.
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 5:22:38 AM | smjle,
Just because I like your spunk, I decided to google "media blackout of Ron Paul" and see what happened. You'll be happy to know that your posts here on pof.com come up on the first page. This research tells me two things....First, the only folks who seem to think there's a blackout are the kind of paid shills(like you accused me of being) or forum posters like yourself....second, if your posts on pof.com come up on the FIRST page, then clearly Ron Paul doesn't have the support you claim.
If you think you've clearly established that a media blackout of Paul exists, why has noone, even those who agree with you that he would be a good candidate,seconded your notion of a blackout. Even those that say they would back him qualify by saying "if" he could somehow get the nomination...according to you he has a huge following...surely someone would come to your aid, wouldn't they? Or is pof.com part of the conspiracy?
Seriously, from what i've read of the guy...it really seems like Democrats would be more likely to support him...at least on social issues....but what makes you think your average Christian Right Republican would vote for him?
I've been having some fun with you on this thread and I apologize...I don't think Paul is all that bad a candidate and I do agree with him on a few things. I just don't see him gaining enough popularity to win...even if there wasn't a "media Blackout". He's burned too many bridges and is too old. You should probably thank the media...if some of his votes got out it do more harm than good. Think the black community would understand why he voted against a Congressional Medal of Honor for Rosa Parks?....think anyone on the Gulf Coast would understand why he voted against aid for Katrina victims....wouldn't matter if all the money didn't get where it's supposed to...some did...but none would have if Paul got his way. | |
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Smjle
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Joined: 9/19/2006
Msg: 60 | |
| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 9:39:12 AM | I decided to google "media blackout of Ron Paul" and see what happened. You'll be happy to know that your posts here on pof.com come up on the first page. I see I'm number five out of about 280,000. I must be doing something right.
I just don't see him gaining enough popularity to win...even if there wasn't a "media Blackout". It is certainly a long shot. Regardless, if Ron Paul does even moderately well, it will encourage others and help change the direction of the USA away from socialism and fascism and toward a Republic.
think anyone on the Gulf Coast would understand why he voted against aid for Katrina victims....wouldn't matter if all the money didn't get where it's supposed to...some did...but none would have if Paul got his way. Of course, those getting the goodies don't care about the right or wrong, as long others are forced to pay.
And the general public thinks it's free money. They don't understand they have to pay, mostly in higher prices. Would the average American approve if it was presently honestly? That is, if the average family of four is told we are placing a surcharge on your income tax of $830 ($62.3 billion/300 million x 4) and most of the money will go to our cronies that help us get reelected? | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 10:28:56 AM | "And the general public thinks it's free money. They don't understand they have to pay, mostly in higher prices. Would the average American approve if it was presently honestly? That is, if the average family of four is told we are placing a surcharge on your income tax of $830 ($62.3 billion/300 million x 4) and most of the money will go to our cronies that help us get reelected?"
Not sure I follow you here....how exactly does government disaster relief result in higher prices? There is no direct impact on any taxpayer...that's why Bush has a 3 1/2 trillion dollar deficet. Are you saying you wouldn't be willing to pay a little higher tax for 1 year to aid the victims of this disaster? The Bush administrations corruption is another issue. One cannot assume that because that's the way his admin. does business that anybody but your guy would be the same? You're smarter than that.
"Of course, those getting the goodies don't care about the right or wrong, as long others are forced to pay."
What you call "goodies" some might call food, clothing, shelter.....i know some people have abused the system and our generosity.....but even I can't blame that on Bush...it happens. But to vote against giving ANY aid to AMERICANS after such a disaster, just because you think the fed. gov't. shouldn't be involved, is shameful. People across this country opened their homes, donated their time and money...how could we tolerate a gov't. who sat by and did nothing. We help because we can....that's why we gave to the tsunami disaster.
Even the most rabid anti-big government Republican would concede that at times like that, the gov't should be helping. It's positions like that that would kill Paul's campaign were he getting the coverage you think he should. If he was getting the coverage of Obama or Hillary, he'd be done already. Sometimes having the eyes of the media upon you can be harmful...sometimes the spotlight is too hot...for Paul..it would burn him alive.
I hope Paul stays in the race as long as he can....candidates like him can serve a useful purpose without winning...they force debate on issues both parties might ignore. | |
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Smjle
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Joined: 9/19/2006
Msg: 62 | |
| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 12:17:54 PM | "And the general public thinks it's free money. They don't understand they have to pay, mostly in higher prices. Would the average American approve if it was presently honestly? That is, if the average family of four is told we are placing a surcharge on your income tax of $830 ($62.3 billion/300 million x 4) and most of the money will go to our cronies that help us get reelected?"
Not sure I follow you here....how exactly does government disaster relief result in higher prices? There is no direct impact on any taxpayer...
I understand that the general public thinks that. However, I do not understand how someone as intelligent as youself can be so lacking in logic.
When the government does not tax to pay for something, the Federal Reserve just writes them a check. That increases the money supply. If, like in this case there is no corresponding and equal increase in wealth (goods and services) or if they are only replacing what was destroyed), the result is higher prices. Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913 the dollar today, based on 1913 dollars is worth $0.04 (4 cents). One source quoted 1.5 cents, but regardless that is the result of creating money backed by nothing and increasing the supply of money faster than wealth is created.
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 12:22:37 PM | "When the government does not tax to pay for something, the Federal Reserve just writes them a check. That increases the money supply. If, like in this case there is no corresponding and equal increase in wealth (goods and services) or if they are only replacing what was destroyed), the result is higher prices. Since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913 the dollar today, based on 1913 dollars is worth $0.04 (4 cents). One source quoted 1.5 cents, but regardless that is the result of creating money backed by nothing."
Bless you heart...you are really confused, arent you?
None of that is relevant to Katrina...there are so many factors that have contributed to the decline of the dollar that I could type for days on the topic.
Go study a little more and get back to me. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 12:32:40 PM | | Boy isn't that stooooopid of Dubya to borrow all of that money to cover deficit spending from China, Japan, Opec and others when he could just have the Federal Reserve write him a check. And to think Reagan did the same thing. | |
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Smjle
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Joined: 9/19/2006
Msg: 65 | |
| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/22/2007 12:45:42 PM | Go study a little more and get back to me.
Thanks, but no thanks. I have better things to do than to attempt to educate someone about money that is so cognitively challenged. Besides with you, facts and logic don't matter, only the nonsense you choose to believe matters to you.
Finally, this is becoming too much like a flame war, so with this post I calling a halt to it. You may have the last word. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/25/2007 3:36:58 AM | Duncan Hunter is my choice for '08....would love to see a Hunter/Paul ticket!
However, they would have to fight like mad to win support from the GOP due to their anti-Bush's policy on illegal immigration and open borders. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/25/2007 9:27:42 AM | Sad truth, great men may run but in the end, it is not who you vote for that wins, it is decided by those who count the votes and generally speaking, they already know who that will be well before the "votes are tallied".
Ron Paul is for the people and for rebuilding your nation not tearing it down, that does not sit well with the globalists.
if it were obvoious that he was a going to be a landslide winner of the presidency, then something terrible would likely happen, this is what history shows us.
You know how it goes, like his plane would crash and not be found for sometime or some crazed luantic would fire a few of many shots that multiply into more bullets that arrive from different angles and so forth.
Ron Paul might do something to help the people but the people do little to help themselves. This thread is a prime example of that.
Some wished to insure the country returns to being a republic that is for the people by the people and others are saying that others know what is good for the country and for the people and they should just shut up andl et all those who have shown integrity and dedication to "their country run the show".
You have to remember, where was GWB's grandfather during WW II and he was certainly helping his country and his cause, history doesn't lie does it?
United States of Amnesia - What do your wonderful leaders have in store for the world, they have such grand plans that wil free everyone in the world I am sure.
Start voting on behalf of future generations not for your own wants and desires.
US citizens are condeming their children and their children's children to lives of slavery to the banks, they are running the show if you do not already know.
Wake up and smell the Montsano Coffee, generically engineered that is, or that artificial coffee, nothing like it eh?.
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/25/2007 10:02:49 AM | Overall eye...I agree with your statement...however, I think it no mistake that Harper replaced Martin nor that Calderone replaced Fox. Far too much has already been invested into the creation of a North American Union to have 'allowed' an uncooperative in either office. And yes, most American's have become complacent and are oblivious to the direction our country is going, though we are well on our way. I would argue that Canadanians have done the same. And if they are adamant about keeping their own sovereignty, they best be looking behind the scenes to see the direction Canada's headed as well. Word...in 60 pages....
http://canada.usembassy.gov/content/can_usa/northamericancommunity_TF_final.pdf | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/25/2007 10:12:38 AM |
why would ALL the media collectively blackball a guy who is pulling less than 1% in any major poll this far out from the election?
IMO, the media is collectively blackballing MOST candidates and have already selected the candidates, regardless of poll numbers, on whom they wish to focus. I doubt that most Americans can name more than one or two candidates from either party, as the media rarely includes any of them in any poll and rarely mentions them in the same sentence with Obama, Cliniton or Guiliani. I refuse to allow the elitist-run MSM to limit my options.
Duncan Hunter '08 | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/25/2007 10:13:00 AM | Both countries require new political parties that have the support of strong and integrity based corpoations, almost all new businesses with new leaders, not thse who steal, cheat, lie, murder and worse, you know, the Rockefellar crowd, great people we have protecting the young and the old and all industries.
Banks are taking over businesses and complete sectors of the economy. People need to start supporting new business and not the old guard, they are run by thieves all the major corporations.
Grassroot movement is the only way and a new party with the original ideals of the countries having their own currency away from central banking is the only way to insure that future generations will not be slaves to those who have won the game of life by cheating, they did not get to where they are fairly, they cheated many and know they are caught. This is why they are moving quite quickly now.
There is time, not much, but there is time and if people would stop wasting time and resources on Hollywood and superficlial/materialistics ideals, the children of the future may provide hope for mankind and show the world that "kind" which follows "man" is not just window dressing.
I have faith but it is not well invested in those who to date have neglected the trust of others in the past only to want more to take more and give less, they are truly evil and it is sad that there are people in this world who support and even try to tell others to allow them to suck the life energy out of them and their kids. Some ar in this post, they are asleep and can cause a lot of problems because, they are not about others, only themselves.
People who do that, who aid and abet these murderous cowards who have manipulated the worlds economy are more guilty then the ones who reap profit from the blood of innocent and unfortunately from ignorant men.
Awe, the power of the Internet, it at least offers opportuniy and chance for those who truly care to converse and hopefully attract others to the light. The others promote and try to manipulate and convince people through their own fears that their paper receipts are of value and they fear that what they hrode will be worth nothing if people stop playing the rigged game.
So many pieces of meat walking around with an opinion that isn't even their own trying to bring others into the packaging plant, for promotional purposes of course...lol | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/25/2007 3:26:21 PM |
If anyone who is familiar with politics, more than just the surface crap that's being spoon-fed to us, believes that GWB and Ron Paul are anything alike, they aren‘t paying attention.
Indeed.
I think many in political office will rant and squirm away about anyone wishing to set things straight and give back to the people who helped elect them, rather than working for big companies and agendas that help line their pockets.
He rocks in my book. | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 2/27/2007 12:23:20 AM | Ms. Gibson,
I agree with you that a Hunter/Paul administration would be nice. It would be a win/win situation for people who wanted illegal immigration stopped after it being a big problem for close to 50 years now. Also, neither are a member of the council on foreign relations, and I don't trust anyone who's a member of the CFR, due to them backing plans for SPP/NAU.
I haven't seen you post on the boards before, so I welcome you to the discussion and am glad you are here.  | |
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| Congressman Ron Paul for President
Posted: 3/1/2007 1:42:03 AM | I agree with you that a Hunter/Paul administration would be nice. It would be a win/win situation for people who wanted illegal immigration stopped after it being a big problem for close to 50 years now. Also, neither are a member of the council on foreign relations, and I don't trust anyone who's a member of the CFR, due to them backing plans for SPP/NAU.
I haven't seen you post on the boards before, so I welcome you to the discussion and am glad you are here.
Thank you! I am a new member here and appreciate the welcome. I often consider NOT discussing politics, as it often gets in the way of making friendships...there is always a 50/50 chance my opinion is going to offend someone. In most ways I am really quite a liberal conservative, but not when it comes to national security. I'm often considered a one-issue voter, but I look at it this way...if a dirty bomb should go off in my backyard because our border is unsecured, and we lose the WOT, what other issue is of importance? Besides, I've concluded that in some regards, it matters little which party is in office, the buck does not stop with our Presidency. | |
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