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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 10/30/2006 7:46:33 AM | Well here's my take on this...... Just another barrier to say I can't deal with this relationship and things can't progress, because an ex or the kids may become an issue - if you truly want to be with someone nothing matters - you get into it with both feet, love and support each other. Deal with the BS quickly and effectively and surge along!! Mature, intellectual and proactive adults make it work, regardless of any influences. BTW stress only comes when you allow things to become stressful - deal with the crap and push it aside - move on! ~JMHO~  | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 10/30/2006 7:51:54 AM | Ok,
I haven't posted in awhile but I had to post on this thread. For some people, the thought of dating a woman/man with children from a previous relationship is a big deal. They won't even consider dating someone who has kids from a previous relationship for a number of reasons. They would come second to the kids, having to share time for the affection of the person they are with, sometimes not being able to see the person because they can't get out or find a babysitter, a notion that the single parent is looking for their partner to become the childrens new parent, etc etc etc .....
These concerns are valid for some individuals. I'm not writing to belittle their stance because that is how they feel, and in some instances, their feelings have validity. However, I also feel that by limiting oneself from people who have children from previous relationships, an individual may be missing out on meeting a wonderful, amazing person. Personally, I have no problems being with someone who has their own kids. Is it a bit more difficult than to be with someone who doesn't have children? Yes, in a sense it is. Mostly it's a time issue. However, if you are interested in someone and really do care for them, you make the time to talk or get together. You put in the effort and meet the kids and spend time with the whole family. It's a package deal folks.
Sometimes, by meeting the kids and getting to know them, you fall even deeper for the person you are dating, because the kids are so cute and wonderful!!! Yes, kids are kids. They act up, they get temperamental sometimes, and they want attention. Instead of feeling that to be a hinderence on the attention you wish to gain from the parent, use it as a benefit by helping your 'hot mommy' give the attention to the kids that they want. I look at it this way. Not only are you getting a wonderful relationship with one person, but you are also growing a relationship with a wonderful person and their wonderful kids. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 10/30/2006 8:02:15 AM | Well I WOULD AGREE TOTALLY WITH LEEANNE ! And you all know she is right on with her reply to this . LOOK if you are not willing to give your 100% in a relationship then you'll not likely find a mate other then just for a hot date.
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/1/2006 10:40:16 AM | Phat.... I am a single Mom. I have never had a problem with the kids father. I never see him the kids get dropped off at the end of the driveway on his weekends. We talk very little on the phone or through e-mail.
Never assume that you will be second in the kids lives. That is not true in so many cases. I was living with another guys that the kids adored, even more than their own father. He was wonderful with them and they even called him Dad. It just didn't work out between us!
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/1/2006 10:50:44 AM | | Like anything else in life it is give and take. The stresses and complications are indeed great, but the more you put into it the more you get out. I livre for my lady's kids...they are exhausting and messy and complicate schedules all to he;ll ect...I have to deal with their father...but you know what...so what. You get back ten fold in return. People need to realize that the way this life works...the more you give of yourself selflessly, the more the universe provides for you in return. Besides..they keep me out of trouble...not a lot of time to go on a coke and hooke binge when I have to read bedtime stories and clean up. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/1/2006 11:05:32 AM | to the OP I understand this thread is gender specific because you started it, however turn it around and a woman dating a man with kids can run into the same problems. There are alot of upset ex-wives out there who are vindictive and down right biotches....tis not easy dealing with either
I think anything can be worked out though if you want it bad enough. KIDS MUST COME FIRST...all kids yours hers or ours....
I think you are being selfish IMHO...do you realize how many lovely nuturing step brother/sister relationships there are in the world.....
my daughter looks at her step brothers as if they were her own.....
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/2/2006 12:56:59 PM | | hey do agree with you destiny bless ya .. would be nice to prioritise both .. think its about the individual as in any relationship .. Some women may do that others might put the guy and her relationship first before the kids and others the other way surely its about individuals where all different and upto the person in question whether he or she likes the way they handle life kids and all else .. its about compatibilty isnt it?? | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/2/2006 2:45:04 PM | I have to agree with Phat on this. Those that have attacked him have some issues that they need to takecare of. Seriously Phat made some valid points aswell as "some" woman that did not flame his orginal post.
People in general have plenty to deal with in there lives as it is. Not everyone has the desire to deal with a premade family. Most of you need to learn to accept this and not flame these ppl.
I have tried that road of being with a woman that had a child, and both times it did'nt work out due to the "bs". Jealousy of the ex DOES happen! Having to deal with the general politics of it all can be trouble some. Yet I know there are rare occasions that something like this would work. If the Ex is NOT around, If You have known the woman in question for sometime prior before developing more of a relationship. Meaning if you have been friends for several months and then both realized that there is more to be made from it. There are many other variables to consider about this topic. Flaming a mans or womans choice for not wanting to engage in a premade family for what ever reason is wrong. Everyone is different. Everyone is entitled to live there life as they wish.
As for the remark of "if you really are interested nothing else will matter". Well that only works for so long. Aswell it does depend on the circumstances. In some cases you don't know what your getting into and if unprepared you may decide that even though you really like the person, you may not be ready to deal with the premade family issue.
Do men like challenges? well yes and so do woman! But again it all depends on what your getting into and what the circumstances are; Aswell if you feel your ready for such an adventure. Some ppl can easly say "oh yea I have no problems with a man/woman with kids". But in reality they can change there outlook, and before long they may regret what is happening and want to leave. These things do happen.
I think half of the ppl here need to look at both sides and learn to be a little more understanding of both situations. Flaming each side is an immature narrow minded way of a debate of this topic.
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/2/2006 4:47:14 PM | Leeanne, I totally agree with you.
if you truly want to be with someone nothing matters They only become stresses if you allow them to. Be an adult and deal with it.... And that's my two cents too!! | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 12:13:20 PM | Well Phat, Your comments that you made in regards to being the 2nd in line and so on and so forth and the added stress. Well I do have to disagree with you. I've never had ANY ISSUES with my ex for being in his kids lives or finances and so on. So there is really no added stress. And if a guy does back off because he doesn't want to be in a relationship with kids then so be it... he could be missing out on that one and only true love of his life. A true man who has a heart will not be so inconsiderate as you. And if getting in a relationship and getting married and having another child, that that child should not be treated differently. I believe each and every child in the home, be it from the husband or wife should have the utmost love and all treated equally. Not treating the children equally is what is selfish. Your still young and will probably meet someone with no kids... but don't discriminate others with children.
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 12:37:56 PM | I see where the Op's coming from, seen the very relationship he's talking about, coming second because he's not Dad. The child won't listen to the step-parent, the ex is difficult to get along with and the new parent always feels left out or the kid feels left out. An instant family, you bet, and it will take lot's of work, and Op, don't bet on not wanting any of your own! You meet the right woman and all of the above shouldn't happen, you need to compromise and be mature enough to handle the whole situation. Also understand, at the beginning of any relationship, the kids should not be involved, they can get attached to the new friend and if the relationship doesn't work out, the kids can get hurt, especially the younger ones, they've already lost one parent and to lose another can be painful to them. So have patience if you really like your new date, and no, it won't always be like this, having to wait for a free weekend. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 3:34:02 PM | there are extra stresses that come with dating someone with kids- on both sides. unfortunately dating later in life that's what you get. majority of us have been in other relationships that created our little darlings. and lets not forget their little darlings either. then we get the schedule conflicts due to children, visitations and so on.
so do we give up or do we carry on in hopes that someday we can actually blend
the ones who will make you feel guilty because your whole attention is not focussed on them i find to be immature & selfish, sort of like a teenager..its all about them.
if you find a true one (man or woman), they are wise enough and mature enough to realize that priorities and being # 1 changes from day to day and sometimes from hour to hour...and that can be work, other family committments, friends etc....and yes...even children....and if you got to be # 1 all the time, then I would say...don't have children. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 4:55:21 PM | @ the OP... I can see where you are coming from. It is additional WORK and takes more commitment to date someone with kids because - there is more than simply two people to think about. The ability to be selfish... to be spontaneous... is greatly reduced when children are involved - especially if they are really little - maybe not so much as they grow older. I know that well. I am at an age (as many are here) where many people are divorced and/or single parents - that is a package deal you either have to accept or not.
I have dealt with b|tchy ex wives jealous of my presences in their exes life - even if it was just in friendship. I have to deal with cancelled dates because issues with children and/or exes that come up and at times, it can ruin plans. Some may tell you that they can put a relationship high on their priority lists but very few can. The children DO come first and foremost. These are the realities of dating those with kids. Its inevitable. It happens all the time. Sadly - not all adults act like adults when there is a divorce... kudos to those who have made it work with very little reprecussions. So I agree with you on this point as well.
Now I come from a mixed family - step mother & step siblings + half siblings. We were always second best to her kids. That is an impression that was left with me and I still have residual emotions regarding that. It is not the same for everyone and I realise my experience is truly my own. However, its not an easy task to mix families, amalgamate into one happy family and one should always expect difficulties and a lot of hard work to make things work.. These are also realities if you are considering having children in the future with someone who already has kids.
Perhaps the question you should be asking yourself is - where are you in your life? Are you willing to accept such realities and live a much selfish life? If not - there's nothing wrong with that - and therefore you should only date those without children. It is truly dependent on where you are in your life. It takes a trumendous amount of commitment and hard work to make it happen... so make sure you are ready to make such a leap before hand. And if not, there is nothing wrong with making that decision either. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 5:10:18 PM | Well OP, there are a lot of stresses AND rewards to being in a relationship with someone who has kids from a previous relationship. However, if you're a guy without kids going into that, it's highly likely that any negatives you experience will be far less than those of the woman you're with. She's already gone through a lot, trying to rebuild her life, raise her kids, and now is introducing another man (you) to the situation. All while trying to remain sane, and keep everyone who matters to her happy. I don't envy that, frankly.
Also, you talk about being second to the kids, and having to schedule your life around someone else's. Isn't that how it would be anyway, if the kids were yours? Their well being would take priority, and you'd make sacrifices, if you were their biological father, right? So, what's the difference? Looking beyond the possible specifics, the outcome is the same. Every relationship has stress, and times where plans fall through.
And, if you don't get along with her ex, you're probably not alone. He's her ex for a reason, primarily because their relationship didn't work out. The only reason why he's still in the picture - if he's in the picture - is likely solely because he has a legal responsibility to his kids, until they're no-longer considered minors. He might actually also love his kids. I suspect you'll agree that a father should take responsibility for and have access to his kids, and that his ex-wife/girlfriend shouldn't get in the way of that, because I do realize that's not the point of your gripe.
The point of your gripe as I read it is that you wish there were more single, available women who are of the age you're looking for and who don't have kids. To your way of thinking - which is reasonable enough - you want to build a relationship with someone as a couple, without distractions or intrusions or extra responsibilities. Something "boy meets girl" simple. The problem with that, is that your wish and the obvious reality live in two different worlds. Since you're not a teenager dating teenagers anymore, wanting what you want doesn't happen as easily. Life has somehow happened to everyone since then. So, it seems clear that a compromise needs to happen if you're unwilling to remain single for the rest of your life.
If you go one way, you'll need to accept that this is the way things are, and change your mindset in order to adapt to dating single mothers. Go the other way, and something else in your list of wants will need to change regarding the types of women you're interested in, so that you can have the opportunity to date to your liking.
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 6:57:32 PM | | Ok i need to reply to this one.. kids have harts filled with love, so there enought to go around... And who knows what the future holds, we all try to give are kids the best including a stable family, but it doesent always happen this way...And if you pretend to fall in love with someone and dont want to be with her because she has kids,well then you dont love her that much cause you would love her kids to and would mind doing the exta effort...Kids are a wonderfull gift no matter who,s they are and we can all learn from them...but if the relationship with the ex as normal ups and down thaen it should'nt bother you unless you are dealing with a wacco... | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 6:59:56 PM | Well said Stephen. In fact I have to agree with alot of the points made here.
I am curious if the complaintents would feel the same way with a professional woman with heavy repsonsabilities. Would you feel the same if the lady you were interested in was say a doctor or politician and had a very demanding schedule? (No I don't consider the 2 professions equall in importance, but that's another post.) If you care for someone and want to be with them, then you need to accept the whole package and accept them for who and what they are, NOT who you would like them to be. I believe being a parent of a child , is the most frustrating and rewarding thing I have ever experienced, be it my own child or my step children (well now ex step children- though I still get to spend time with them). But that is simply my opinion, and does not mean anyone else has to agree.
I woud like to add that ex's can be a problem even if no kids are involved. Some people, be it men or women, seem unable to accept the end of a relationship and will cause all the problems mentioned in the original post, and more.
Finally, I think to many people want to be first in the relationship and there in lies the problem. NO 1 person should be first in a relationship. It is the RELATIONSHIP itself that is. if there are children, then the relationship becomes bigger and possibly harder, but also more rewarding. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 8:00:27 PM | My dear this is not a rant and I give you points for your honesty. I would have to say if I were 29, single without children I would have my sites set on a single man without children. Falling in love, getting married and starting a family together is incredibly special and traditional. Each year brings new joy and nothing is more rewarding than starting your own family together.
You know what you want, focus on it and avoid the women with children if that’s not what you want. It’s that simple and you are doing nothing wrong what so ever and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 9:12:27 PM | Thought I might chime in on this topic as well. I see many points on both sides of the fence as it were.
My own views, I would have no problems dating a woman with children but the number of children she had might be a deterrent to me. Since Ive never had the joy of being a father, I am still holding out hope that someday I might have children of my own. A woman who has 2 or 3 kids has usually chosen not to have anymore and even if she was open to the idea, youre now looking at the financial costs of raising 3 or 4 children.
I browse profiles on here and I have read some really nice ones but they had "no" under wants children so I moved on. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/3/2006 9:30:30 PM | I suppose I ought to add my own POV on this one.
I tend to think that single dads may be the more likely match for me because, as parents, they have a better understanding of what my life as a single mom is like.
That being said - I state in my profile that I am open to dating someone with OR without children. And also that I do not have a burning desire to have another biological child though I'm not against the idea either.
I think that when/if I am ever in a relationship again that the hypothetical man who would be my partner, my love, my mate would be proud to be on that top tier with my son rather than having a desire to be above him. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/4/2006 4:50:08 AM | Oooooooh everytime I come across this thread I get agitated.... but no worries, I said my peace earlier in the thread (message #16) so I'm done.
THe option to display "do you want children" yes/no/prefer not to say is hard to answer fairly from BOTH sides (men and women) It should say "do you want any MORE children" so that clarifies for others whether you are acceptant of someone else who has kids or whether you're hoping to have one or more of your own.....I chose "prefer not to say" because if I meet someone who wants to have another child? I'm open to that...(would LOVE to have another actually) but if I meet someone that does NOT want any MORE children? That's okay too. (been blessed with an amazing one already, how can a girl complain? )
But I tend to steer clear of the profles that state "does not want children" simply because I dont know if that means he doesnt want anyMORE or doesnt want a woman with a child period.  | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/4/2006 7:02:06 AM | Vamp, I also avoid the "does not want children" profiles because I figure that means they wouldn't want to be with someone like me who is a parent.
I think it makes sense for people to clarify what they mean in their profiles on that topic because for me - when I see "prefer not to say" in a profile I find it suspicious.
It's too bad it's not more clear-cut as that topic has come up a few times that I've seen.
You know if the profile choices said: Would you date a parent: Yes, No, Undecided/Open and Would you date a non-parent: Yes, No, Undecided/Open and would you like to have more children: Yes, No, Undecided/Open, Don't have any children
Before I was a parent, I did date one man who was a parent and I would have been fine being involved with him for the long haul (if he hadn't been an ass of course ) but whether or not to date a parent is a difficult choice for some people.
Just as, being a parent, choosing to date a non-parent can be.
I don't think this is a black and white, right and wrong issue... it's all about personal choice and preferences.
I think that limiting oneself may mean that you could miss out on a wonderful match/mate but then again, I limit myself when it comes to physical distance and maybe my dream man lives in another country *shrug* I guess I'll never know...
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/4/2006 7:44:16 AM | I've been watching this thread, kinda steering away from putting in my 2 cents because it requires an explanation.
But I'll go ahead and throw my answer to the initial thread:
To each ther own, everyone is entitled to having a standard that they feel is right for them. Yes, single parents have multiple challenges when it comes to dating. Time and priorities are just 2 that skim the surface. Jealousy or resistance from the children at times mean you need to have thick skin and sometimes you or both are going to have to be stonger in your own character ... I know this from first hand experience. The additional quasi-relationships and dealings with exs, quick exits from dates for children, phone calls from your sitter or children at inopportune times, committee meetings on holiday logistics, inability to runn of to the trooics for a weekend on 3 hours notice, lack of privacy or a vacant house without planning in advance ... and on and on and on. Dating a single parent isn't for everyone. I, as well as most single parents, can accept that.
It can have it's hidden rewards. Your interests match the childrens, buying a large pizza means there could be a thank you from the child for leaving next day's lunch after a great date, Christmas could be that much more special in meaning, secretly you've jut found a reason to play video games again, braiding hair and playing dress-up again is fun, Kids eat free at Hooters on Tuesdays, you don't feel out of place watching cartoons Saturday morning, an open invitation to become invoved in sports again, group hugs, multiple people curled up on the couch to watch a movie and there's more and more and more. People are missing out if they think it's all time and priorities, there are positives.
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Vamp made mention why some use the "prefer not to say" on more children, I'll just get it out and say it here ... I have "prefer not to say/undecided" in the more children question. You can't put up there you're unable or had a vasectomy 3 years ago as in my case. That leaves 2 options, reversal (and that is not cheap as well as not guaranteed) or adopt (but that also means that you aren't having more children in the accepted traditional sense). The question of "would I" or "do I" in that sense is something that would be situation specific and I couldn't decide in advance. It also doesn't allow for the option that if I met another single parent that I'd be very accepting of a blended family situation. All are valid points to me, none of which could be answered with a simple YES or NO answer. | |
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| dating a woman with kids. Lots of extra stresses. Posted: 11/4/2006 9:23:53 AM | I think these two men have said it all
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Well OP, there are a lot of stresses AND rewards to being in a relationship with someone who has kids from a previous relationship. However, if you're a guy without kids going into that, it's highly likely that any negatives you experience will be far less than those of the woman you're with. She's already gone through a lot, trying to rebuild her life, raise her kids, and now is introducing another man (you) to the situation. All while trying to remain sane, and keep everyone who matters to her happy. I don't envy that, frankly.
Also, you talk about being second to the kids, and having to schedule your life around someone else's. Isn't that how it would be anyway, if the kids were yours? Their well being would take priority, and you'd make sacrifices, if you were their biological father, right? So, what's the difference? Looking beyond the possible specifics, the outcome is the same. Every relationship has stress, and times where plans fall through.
And, if you don't get along with her ex, you're probably not alone. He's her ex for a reason, primarily because their relationship didn't work out. The only reason why he's still in the picture - if he's in the picture - is likely solely because he has a legal responsibility to his kids, until they're no-longer considered minors. He might actually also love his kids. I suspect you'll agree that a father should take responsibility for and have access to his kids, and that his ex-wife/girlfriend shouldn't get in the way of that, because I do realize that's not the point of your gripe.
The point of your gripe as I read it is that you wish there were more single, available women who are of the age you're looking for and who don't have kids. To your way of thinking - which is reasonable enough - you want to build a relationship with someone as a couple, without distractions or intrusions or extra responsibilities. Something "boy meets girl" simple. The problem with that, is that your wish and the obvious reality live in two different worlds. Since you're not a teenager dating teenagers anymore, wanting what you want doesn't happen as easily. Life has somehow happened to everyone since then. So, it seems clear that a compromise needs to happen if you're unwilling to remain single for the rest of your life.
If you go one way, you'll need to accept that this is the way things are, and change your mindset in order to adapt to dating single mothers. Go the other way, and something else in your list of wants will need to change regarding the types of women you're interested in, so that you can have the opportunity to date to your liking.
Either way, good luck.
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I am curious if the complaintents would feel the same way with a professional woman with heavy repsonsabilities. Would you feel the same if the lady you were interested in was say a doctor or politician and had a very demanding schedule? (No I don't consider the 2 professions equall in importance, but that's another post.) If you care for someone and want to be with them, then you need to accept the whole package and accept them for who and what they are, NOT who you would like them to be. I believe being a parent of a child , is the most frustrating and rewarding thing I have ever experienced, be it my own child or my step children (well now ex step children- though I still get to spend time with them). But that is simply my opinion, and does not mean anyone else has to agree.
I woud like to add that ex's can be a problem even if no kids are involved. Some people, be it men or women, seem unable to accept the end of a relationship and will cause all the problems mentioned in the original post, and more.
Finally, I think to many people want to be first in the relationship and there in lies the problem. NO 1 person should be first in a relationship. It is the RELATIONSHIP itself that is. if there are children, then the relationship becomes bigger and possibly harder, but also more rewarding.
I like vamp and some of the others have been wanting to vent..........scream almost........but unlike some of the lucky ladies, my x is not one of the nice xs........and continues to cause more harm than good.........even with the children.......I know I am not alone......that is for sure....and when we left, I had this same attitude........of taking the time to get to know myself and my children.....work thru our issues....and learn how to live in the today here and now...Three years later, and divorced the ex who has remarried, and had more children, still is angry and continues to cause problems.....for the family as a whole.........so I could see how it could be difficult to let anyone in to our family, and for sure I safe guard my kids from someone who only wants me........or wants to come into thier lives with a superior attitude....never mind a selfish man, or someone who demands my time..........It surely would take a very special person, who has the patience of a god.....to enter into my time warp.....
Please keep in mind thou, all single parents(male or female) most of us never really planned on the single parenting thing.........life happened.......sure we made our choices.....for better or worse........and maybe love blinded us........but we are in the here and NOW.......and we all have our issues........no matter single or parenting.......the key component is workin them out........before you can move on.......to a new relationship......get to really know yourself, learn to be honest to yourself FIRST>......and when entering into a new relationship....share honestly from the start....it is only fair........That way both parties are aware that there will be time slots allowed.....and viarances to dates and gatherings.....
I just recently met a new fishy.........and dam.......that is when shiiiiit hit the fan with the x again........and our son.......seems like that is just good timing........lol.......almost was goin to give up before we even got the chance to know each other........which would of been too bad........since we have so much in common.......other then kids.....lol......I just thought that he would not relate, or care to be stuck in the middle of domestic bliss with an x.....so I took a risk....and honestly gave him the family history....telling him I do understand that he would not want or need any of these stressors.....but to my delight.........he said he was not going anywhere.....and we would work around the time stuff, and that he respected me more, for being the awesome single mom that I am............So ladies...........and gents...........there is all types out there.......If your a single parent........I honestly do hope you find one of these rare fishies..........that is willing to stand tall beside you.........and not crawl away.......
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