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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 8/16/2007 7:56:10 AM | | I can't stand it when anyone makes a blanket statement like that. Just because a guy enjoys the company of a thin woman and not a bbw doesnt make him shallow, thats just what he is into. Everyone has their own thing and to call someone shallow because of what their into is retarded. I do believe men like a variety of women including the bbw. I think it just boils down to attitude. If youre a cool girl then it doesnt matter what you look like, if not than youre only good for one thing anyway then move on. May sound bad but thats what most guys thoughts are no matter how big or small you are, no one has time for a ****y girl like that. | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 8/18/2007 4:54:11 PM | Just to flip things around a little whyspr so you know it's not just women who get this treatment, I recently did an experiment on another dating site where I posted identical profiles w/only my "body type" different (instead of BB**stard I went with average).
Number of unique e-mails w/"average" in a one month period- 15 Number of unique e-mails w/reality - -2 (I say negative because I received a few, you seem nice but lose some weight responses)
The reality is folks that yes, there are people out there who will love you for your personality, however, for everyone ONE of these people there are 200 that will hate you because you invade their seat on the airplane, take up too much space on the elevator or (even though you didn't do it) blame you for eating the last piece of office cake.
We live in a society where it's no longer okay to mock people because of race, however, body type is fair game. To help us feel better we tell us that "it's what's on the inside that counts," however, all of us have the empirical evidence of rejection after rejection after rejection to tell us that we're in essence lying to ourselves to have hope instead of tear filled lonliness.
The odds are stacked against us fatties, and, after awhile, it makes better sense to stop playing the game than to continue losing time and time again. So, fine, call us whiners for not "believing" in ourselves or "having our personalities in order," but, I'm here to tell you that you can only kick a dog so many times before it becomes a whimpering mess that is afraid of everyone. Afterall, just as the skinny beautiful people don't think we deserve love because of our flabby thighs, it's equally valid that we don't deserve love because we can't hold our heads high and let our outsides shine so brightly as to obscure the fact that we resemble orcas.
I would like to believe the fairytale, I'd like to think that there is "someone out there who will look beyond the outside to the beauty that's inside", but, the real world isn't filled with shining princesses in armor out to save me with a kiss.
It's great that some of you have found your exceptions to the rule, but get the hell off of those of us who no longer have the strength to keep looking.
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 8/29/2007 10:55:37 AM | Actually some guys do,but you need to talk to the guys who are interested in BBW.I know some guys are looking for one thing,but you need to be careful who your talking to.With me on the other hand,never met a BBW I didn't like. | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 8/29/2007 11:30:46 AM | I hope so. I figure if I can look past all of a man's imperfections, he can see past my one imperfection.
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 8/31/2007 9:03:37 AM |
I hope so. I figure if I can look past all of a man's imperfections, he can see past my one imperfection.
OMG too funny but too true./ | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/1/2007 3:30:00 PM | I'm fat. I'm not a freakin BBW, or whatever way people wanna dress it up. BBW is the most ludicrous term i've ever heard. Why can't people just say, "I'm fat"? When I see someone or hear someone say "BBW", I get really mad. There's nothing "beautiful" about being fat, nor is there anything "ugly" about it either. I think the problem is that "large" women perpetuate this cycle of men rejecting women because they are "large". It's not an issue until you ladies make it one. Being fat all my life, I know exactly how it goes. You feel you need to "warn" men about your weight. You feel you can't contact someone you think is hot is because you think they'll reject you based on how..ahem...large you are. First of all, did you ladies ever stop and think that maybe men can smell the low self-esteem oozing off you? Scratch that. Oozong off of US. I do it too sometimes. Self-depricating humor isn't attractive when it's obvious you're only making fun of yourself so that he can't do it first.
So you're fat. Big damn deal. If someone doesn't like fat women, how EXACTLY is that shallow? Are you ladies telling me that if a guy has bad teeth, a really bad hairpiece, really bad breath or bad body odor, you'd still be attracted to him and want to sleep with him? Yeah, didn't think so. That would make YOU shallow as well.
If it's so hard to find a man, lose weight. If you lose weight and all of a sudden people start liking you, guess what? It probably has less to do with your weight than it does your attitude. I, too, sometimes catch myself being all blah and snippy because I think no one's going to want to hang out with me because i'm bigger than some girls. I'm 195 and i'm 5'6. While that isn't astronomic, it sure does feel like it sometimes. I suffer from fibromyalgia and it crippled me for a very very long time. I gained so much weight, and it's hard to lose it because i'm in so much physical pain all the time. If I bend down the wrong way, i'll be bed-ridden for 3 weeks. But so effin what? I have a good attitude, I don't get down on myself, and I don't call myself a "BBW". I'll tell ya what ladies, that term in and of itself is a turn off. I hear that, and my eyes practically roll out of my head. A man will appreciate upfront honesty. It makes people laugh when they ask me about what I look like, and I point blank say, "I'm fat yo. I'm 195 and 5'6. Pink/purple hair yadda yadda yadda." People constantly tell me they used to think of people as "fat people", but after being around me, they all of a sudden realized people aren't fat people. They're just effin people, period.
I think that's a big problem with us "fat' ladies. We think in terms of skinny and fat, and our lack of self esteem shows. Just think about it okay? Maybe it's really not that you're...ahem...BBW's. Maybe it's because you ACT like a BBW and present yourself in an unflattering light.
I don't mean to be cruel or mean, I honestly know how you feel. And it effin SUCKS. But you can change it. Even if you don't exercise and commit to a lifestyle change. You either have to accept that you're a BBW and get on with life, or stop being or acting like a BBW. I've been looking for someone to exercise with me for so long, it's no fun alone. Maybe you can try to find other BBW in your area who either want to exercise more and with a friend, or find other BBW in your area to come to terms with the fact that you're fat and that most men don't or can't look past it. Stop being ashamed and stop being a FAT person. Just be A person, period. Let the inner you shine through, unfiltered. You ladies all seem so sweet and genuinely want to have someone to love and be nice to. You deserve that as well. I wish you all the best of luck.  | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/3/2007 11:02:29 PM |
I'm fat. I'm not a freakin BBW, or whatever way people wanna dress it up. BBW is the most ludicrous term i've ever heard. Why can't people just say, "I'm fat"? When I see someone or hear someone say "BBW", I get really mad. There's nothing "beautiful" about being fat, nor is there anything "ugly" about it either. I think the problem is that "large" women perpetuate this cycle of men rejecting women because they are "large". It's not an issue until you ladies make it one. Being fat all my life, I know exactly how it goes. You feel you need to "warn" men about your weight. You feel you can't contact someone you think is hot is because you think they'll reject you based on how..ahem...large you are. First of all, did you ladies ever stop and think that maybe men can smell the low self-esteem oozing off you? Scratch that. Oozong off of US. I do it too sometimes. Self-depricating humor isn't attractive when it's obvious you're only making fun of yourself so that he can't do it first.
So you're fat. Big damn deal. If someone doesn't like fat women, how EXACTLY is that shallow? Are you ladies telling me that if a guy has bad teeth, a really bad hairpiece, really bad breath or bad body odor, you'd still be attracted to him and want to sleep with him? Yeah, didn't think so. That would make YOU shallow as well.
If it's so hard to find a man, lose weight. If you lose weight and all of a sudden people start liking you, guess what? It probably has less to do with your weight than it does your attitude. I, too, sometimes catch myself being all blah and snippy because I think no one's going to want to hang out with me because i'm bigger than some girls. I'm 195 and i'm 5'6. While that isn't astronomic, it sure does feel like it sometimes. I suffer from fibromyalgia and it crippled me for a very very long time. I gained so much weight, and it's hard to lose it because i'm in so much physical pain all the time. If I bend down the wrong way, i'll be bed-ridden for 3 weeks. But so effin what? I have a good attitude, I don't get down on myself, and I don't call myself a "BBW". I'll tell ya what ladies, that term in and of itself is a turn off. I hear that, and my eyes practically roll out of my head. A man will appreciate upfront honesty. It makes people laugh when they ask me about what I look like, and I point blank say, "I'm fat yo. I'm 195 and 5'6. Pink/purple hair yadda yadda yadda." People constantly tell me they used to think of people as "fat people", but after being around me, they all of a sudden realized people aren't fat people. They're just effin people, period.
I think that's a big problem with us "fat' ladies. We think in terms of skinny and fat, and our lack of self esteem shows. Just think about it okay? Maybe it's really not that you're...ahem...BBW's. Maybe it's because you ACT like a BBW and present yourself in an unflattering light.
Its all in the attitude and if you have a great attitude then people will notice that. If you have a horrible attitude about that too then then it will not do you any good. I happen to like BBW's and they are beautiful. | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/4/2007 1:58:08 PM | I posted this on my yahoo 360 page which I will give the link to incase any of you hav a 360 page.....
Why am I called a BBW in the world wide web...why can't I just be called a Woman... I mean seriously I may be thick, but I have a waist . I'm not appalling (at least I don't think I am). I sometimes feel that this term leaves the imagination wandering and allows the person to judge another without ever getting to know that bbw for what they really are... A human being with feelings and a heart and emotions just like everyone else. I'm active I don't sit around on my arce all day eating bon bons. Is the world that shallow, that we now have a stereotype and I fall under the category BB...ewe ? I have a brain, I have dreams, goals, I have desires and fantasies. My thickness doesn't determine whether or not they get accomplished... that is left up to my persistence and priority filter. There are so many things in life I want, want to do and accomplish, I would love to find the right person to share my life with...but when I talk to someone on the net...how do I describe myself without that person wondering if I'm 400 lbs and capable of walking without a crane... I know this is far fetched and probably me just rattling... but It just bothers me that for thirty plus years I was just Leah and now I'm Leah BB like it's some kind of title or degree.... I much per fer Leah, and I realize that the BB is a choice, but when given the options for description that was one of the choices and I'll be damned if I'm going to lie and check the box that says slender or athletic ( I'm active not a marathon runner) I'm more than average on the inside and outside WOOHOO! ...why can't there be a box that says...Just Me!!! I'd check that box in a New York minute!! Take care of you and yours ... all my love LEAH<----- Just Me!! (and I love it) http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-NTzSINo9fqcvkF0BhaLc2ilV;_ylt=AnpGxYf6MflLAAM_EXK3MwysAOJ3 | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/4/2007 3:36:35 PM | | That was a great "rattle". LOL I agree, I don't get why you can't just have normal categories either. Or, have the option for people to choose their weight from a list if it's of such importance to the opposite sex. And for christ's sake, if you put "prefer not to say' because there isn't a category for you, then naturally people are going to assume you're gigantic. It's ridiculous. Besides, some women ARE big (not fat) just because that's how they're built. You CAN weigh a lot more than average even if you have a very active and healthy lifestyle. I'm not really sure why it's even an issue. People BECOME attracted to people after they get to know them a lot of times, so why not just skip the physical stuff first, and see if you can even deal with who the person IS first. | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/11/2007 12:35:40 AM | Im am taxed.
,,trying to convince people to accept the beauty within ones self is becoming a burden to my heart. I thought I could do some good with some input,,, no. I've failed.
Alas, there are still ladies out there that are affected by inconsiderate hearts and minds. Complaining and worrying about the mindlessness and the emptiness that words contain when confronted by men that dont appreciate all women.
I will post no comments no more on this thread. I hurt when this thread is resurrected, as well as poisonous thoughts spread through out our state of logical way of being.
,,, can we not love our women for what they are.... special.
I will contain my milk and cookies on a rainy afternoon and cry myself to a sad, sad sleep.
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/11/2007 11:31:59 AM |
Why am I called a BBW in the world wide web...why can't I just be called a Woman... I mean seriously I may be thick, but I have a waist
Sure you can be called a woman, and a lady and be respected too.
It's not men only calling women BBWs,it's women calling themselves BBWs. Women call themselves BBWs in their profiles.
I will post no comments no more on this thread. I hurt when this thread is resurrected, as well as poisonous thoughts spread through out our state of logical way of being.
The topic is >>Do men ever fall for BBW? My response is, sure men fall for BBWs, they fall in love marry then have familes. It happens everyday all over the world. Many men prefer ladies of a large size and some women prefer men of a large size.
Beauty is in every person but all of us perceive beauty different.
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/12/2007 6:10:53 PM | Hi,
Short answer: Sure they do.
The way I think of it is that we are a niche market. There are some men (a small percentage) who are exclusively attracted to large women. I am always up front about my size prior to meeting men and although most of mainstream society does not like fat women, there are many men out there who simply adore larger women.
Since POF is a general dating site (i.e. not specifically oriented towards large women and the men who love them) most of the guys on here are not looking for bigger women. However, that does not mean that such men don't exist. I have been contacted by a lot of guys who like large women.
A guy I recently went out with was telling me that his friends think he is gay because he is just NOT attracted to the average woman including strippers, etc. He likes really, really big women.
It is hard to understand this because men who feel this way tend to be ashamed of their preferences and many tend to keep it quiet rather than earn some offensive label from their buddies such as "chubby chaser".
The bad news is that, as I said, it is a small percentage of men who like larger women. The good news is that those men who do are always very, very happy to meet someone who is large, confident, intelligent, loving, and single because only a small percentage of women have the qualities that make them attractive to such men.
You never know who is attracted to large women just by looking at them either. (I sometimes wish they would wear a sign.) Men of all different shapes and sizes are interested including some very handsome men.
I have not found the right man for me yet, and perhaps it would be easier if I were thin (a larger number of candidates). However, it is hard for thin women to find a good man too. I have a friend who is really attractive, thin, fit, educated, intelligent, and fun to be with, and she spent about 4 years looking before finally settling into a long term relationship. During this time, I don't think she dated any one guy for more than a few weeks.
So, you have to kiss a lot of toads, but, chin up!
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/16/2007 9:27:32 PM | | Ok so I just spent an eternity reading all of these responses and Koko I think the general consensus is that yes men do fall for BBW's BUT here is the catch and I will give you a personal example: I had a certain type of guy that I was attracted to and in general I have found that my "type" are not attracted to much larger women. I dealt with that, lost some weight and feel confident in myself but now I find that I am not so attracted to that type anymore!!! :) It is not wrong for a guy not to like the fuller fugured/BBW women it is his preference and that is more than ok with me!! I say it is 50% preference(if they dont like BBW they dont and if they do they do!) 50%confidence!!!! | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/20/2007 8:48:09 AM | Well if I fit fully into the BBW arena it would be a little more understandable for me anyway. Most men I talk to ask me if I am a BBW and I say yes, then they hint around about the size of my breasts. I do not have BBW breasts. Mine are barely a B cup. So I disappoint them again. There is not any figuring this out for me. I am big but it seems not big enough breasted. It is always something. Then there is what is the rule to be qualified as a BBW. I seen some say the size 16W was big but I beg to differ. I lost down to a size 20W and those breasts never got any bigger. What is it with the American mentality of men and those breasts? I need to move somewhere else! Becky | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 9/20/2007 12:11:25 PM | In the world today it seems like everything has a label but then 20 yrs down the road they retract what they once said about things. who cares what size, what color our skin , the way we dress or anything the ONLY thing that should matter is that we are all PEOPLE with one thing in common our hearts. It seems that we let everything else bother us. I'm not gonna sit here and say oh yes I'm happy the I am and have never had a problem finding someone who accepted me for the size I am cuz if that was the case I wouldn't be on here right? but yes it happens men do fall for bbw's just like people fall for nerds and all the other labels society has come up with I'm still looking for that guy to come around and i am patiently waiting because i know it will happen when it happens you cant rush love or anything else that comes with it. On that not any takers??? lol | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 10/28/2007 12:00:13 AM | Ok I know this is going to sound stupid but I love all of you people lol I have been feeling totally alone lately because I felt like nobody was looking at me just my fat. Readng that everyone has their own expreriences really helps me. I see that we all have people we are attracted to and it does seem like fewer men like bigger girls. In all honesty thats ok because I can say that I am not attracted to all men. But it does suck and I like more then 80 percent of men lol I don't know what I am saying. I guess I am saying that there is a ton of predjudice against heavy people and that is wrong. I wish we could all get treated the way the skinner side does. I see it everyday. I work in an upscale mall and the workers who are not fat get treated nicer then I ever do. I am not whining about it I am just stating facts. Good luck to all the lovely bbw women.  | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 10/28/2007 2:16:30 PM | Is there some stigma attached to surgical-intervention to deal with overweight issues? Why be a BBW when this is such a fixable condition?
ANYBODY can change their BMI. Body Mass Index... ie. lose or gain weight as needed to be healthy; I had a blind date once that was skeleton thin, like a holocaust victim.
Bad teeth can be fixed, hair in the wrong spots (or lack of hair in the right spots) can be fixed. There's ways to fix bad breath, body odor, snooring at night, impotence (just saw yet another Viagra commercial on the TV, LOL!) etc. I believe in being the best you can be, and am attracted to women that share this view.
There's too many things that CAN be fixed these days ... why do people sit around worrying about why nobody can see past their outside issues to the beautiful person within when the outside is so malleable?
I used to watch "The Swan" and was absolutely amazed at some of the transformations they were able to make... it wasn't easy, some pain and discomfort was involved at times, and it took months (of intense workouts and personal training sessions) to accomplish in most cases but WOW oh WOW the end results were incredible!!! One woman on it suprisingly lived near me (ps. she was already married with kids).
However consider the women that only want to date tall men (like over 6'2")! There's no freakin way to increase (or decrease) your height... other than footwear I guess. LOL!
ps. I'm 5'10" and not getting any taller and can't fathom why so many women 5'2" or so often insist that they're only attracted to men over 6' tall!
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 10/28/2007 4:04:39 PM | Single_Texan, you are partially right.
Diet and exercise and makeup and dressing right can help and are not break the bank expensive. I believe in being the best you can be on your own......and I am working on it and I know several MEN who are too.
When you are talking surgical intervention, you are talking thousands of dollars. A lot of people just don't have money for vanity surgery and most insurances(for those lucky enough to have it) will not pay for it either. I don't know how many times I have joked about a tuck here and tuck there but I don't have the money.
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 10/29/2007 10:53:25 AM |
A lot of people just don't have money for vanity surgery
Well, while I see your point TootsieTx about the cost aspects of surgery.... I'd hardly term it "vanity surgery" however. I was under the impression that in cases where only surgical intervention will help that many/some insurance plans do cover it. In the long term the costs would be less after all. But I could be mistaken of course. If you don't have insurance or they won't cover the costs I've no idea what the options are really.... but I'd think that there are still some options somehow.
Also I never claimed anything was simple. In fact it's damned hard whether surgical intervention or simple good old fashioned workout/diet is involved... if it was simple, then everybody would have a *perfect* body! LOL!
I do however find that fun physical activities make the workout/weight go by faster. Come up with something fun and physical that you can do and do it often... I prefer rollerblading or rollerskating myself. But I also do treadmill and weight lifting (not as much fun I can assure you!). (sigh)
I think it's the "BBW" attitude that bothers me the most though. Consider people that are paralized or have lost limbs or are severely mentally handicapped... they're literally stuck the way they are, and there's not (yet) much that medical science can do for them. Yes they can wear artificial limbs (in the case of amputees), but they aren't yet anywhere near the level of realism that Luke's mechanical hand in "Return of the Jedi" was! Paralysis and mental handicaps though, I have no idea what if anything can really be done for those folks.
There are alot worse things, that people really do have to just live with, than being fat. Get the lead out peeps! Quit talking and start walkin! I have a snowball here and I'm not afraid to use it.
I have a friend, a flying buddy that I hang out with, who I desperately wish would get the stomach surgery... he's somewhere around 450lbs now and can no longer stand up (his knees won't support him anymore) and is now wheelchair bound by his weight. I very much fear him dieing in the next few years due entirely to his weight, but he won't even consider surgical intervention even though it would likely save his life! And since he's a Navy vet he CAN get the surgery if he wanted it... but he won't, and would rather die in that damned wheelchair than have the surgery! It saddens me and makes me mad sometimes that such an outgoing great guy like him is sitting there when his life could be so much better.... but I digress.
ps. Am I the only person on these forums that believes in signing his posts with his actual 1st name?
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 10/30/2007 11:02:41 PM | I just don't see why we need to lose the weight? If I want to be unhealthy that’s my problem not anyone else's. Regardless if we are lucky to just "fat" there still is a lot of prejudice. I don't use the term bbw as a crutch, I use it as a descriptive term. I am not looking for sympathy and I am not whining. Its a simple fact that if your a bigger person people treat you differently. We shouldn't have to change to be accepted. We should be treated just like anyone else even if we happen to be 400lbs. I really wish people would see that and not see that we need to change our appearance and stop whining about being fat. I don't feel like anyone is asking the world to feel sorry for them for being the way they are, they are just looking for acceptance. Like myself. I am also just looking towards the world to just let me be me...fat and all I deserve equal happiness as skinny people without having to change anything.
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 11/4/2007 3:10:09 PM | Absolutely men do fall in love with women of all shapes and sizes!
I have loved two men in my life that loved me no matter what size I was. And now that I'm dating again - I've found there are many men that can love and respect women of all shapes and sizes.
I agree with many posts on this topic - you have to love and respect yourself before anyone else can love and respect you. You have to be comfortable "in your skin" and then they will be too!
Granted, I'm classified as a BBW - I am currently going to the gym and eating healthier which will result in me being a smaller BBW - but it's not that I'm uncomfortable with myself - I just truly want to be healthier! I applaud those women that don't let their bodies stand in the way of love and happiness and I also applaud those men who look at a women's heart and soul to find peace and fulfillment. | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 11/4/2007 3:59:44 PM | That kind of surgery is classified as a vanity surgery unless your doctor states it in a way that says your extra weight is life threatening. Also.. there are still cases where it has caused death, and I think that is the main reason people still fear it.
If you do have the surgery, be certain you follow what your doctor tells you 100%.
Would I have it? I'm not certain. I have a friend who had it because her weight was causing her to have more seizures. She's lost some of her extra weight but still has a long way to go and its been over a year.. so is it any better than simply dieting and exercising?
I would encourage anyone who is experiencing a weight problem to get blood work done before starting a weight loss program. If your thyroid is messed up you may need medicine to get the normal results from your regeim. | |
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 11/5/2007 7:27:22 AM | Do you remember the "Buck Rogers" sci-fi tv show from the late 1970's WhySpr? I never caught the actors name, but I saw a documentary on him on The Learning Channel a few months ago... he was almost unrecognizable, he'd gained SO much weight! Turns out he'd always had a weight problem which he hid very well in his youth, but once his acting career was over he started packing on the pounds in earnest.
Buck had hypertension, high blood pressure, could barely walk (and was about to become wheelchair bound), and several other serious health problems going on. To make a long story short he had the stomach surgery and over the next 12 months lost over 200lbs, all his medical conditions disappeared and he was able to play a full 9 holes of golf again and was he ever a happy camper! And he looked like "Buck Rogers" again finally!
Of course he could no longer over-eat and he had a strict diet he had to follow (no fatty foods at all ever!). But frankly, he didn't seem to be too upset about it in my opinion... he appeared to be getting far more enjoyment out of living life than ever before.
Finally, I saw on the news last week that a new medical report was issued in which it was found that fatter people have a much higher cancer rate than more fit people have. Yet another reason to get the lead out peeps!
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| Do men ever fall for BBW? Posted: 11/5/2007 7:41:04 AM |
If I want to be unhealthy that’s my problem not anyone else's.
And by the same token Jennifer, if single men want to have a healthy life partner that's our choice... nobody has to fall for you, and you don't have to fall for anybody. To each their own.
To me this issue is like a single guy who dips Skoal wondering if women ever fall for a guy that dips Skoal... after all, he knows it's unhealthy and is likely to lead to mouth/throat cancer but that's his problem and not anyone else's! Or is it?
Regards and best wishes ya'll!
- Michael
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