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| Global warming will devastate economy: report
Posted: 11/4/2006 12:16:25 AM | ^^^^I'm not kidding...you've got to be blind....
show me a manifestation of the auto industry influencing the debate...any main stream media articles ??????
you would think they would be anti kyoto ....but as you know the establisment works in concert ...they are "on side" I would say .....no?
oil companies would be a much better example of an industry that should be naturally anti kyoto.
any evidence of their influence??.....nahh !! ...they will do very well despite the fraud.
and it's ironic that the left thinks it's oil companies conspiring and soley responsible for Iraq...yet kyoto rides on without so much as a peep .
ps. ....kyoto and iraq are linked ...it's all about global control
pps .. who do these not so independant "scientists" ultimately work for? who has great influence over academia? ....follow the money.
...pro kyoto has by far most of the money behind it. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report
Posted: 11/4/2006 1:06:41 AM | Here's another angle......you talk about money and influence and billions in profit......how much money is it worth to gain control of a countries energy comsumption?? Is there any money in controlling most of the worlds energy consumption????????? ...nahh ... not much!! .....LOL.....there's no money behind pro kyoto ...LOL
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report
Posted: 11/4/2006 1:10:17 AM | cedar,
Forgive me, but even if you are the best and brightest POF has to offer (and I'm suggesting you are) do you really believe that you know better than "the Best Minds in the World" whose life's work it is to study such matters?
C'mon pal, you ARE kidding, right?
WORLD SCIENTISTS' WARNING TO HUMANITY
Human beings and the natural world are on a collision course. Human activities inflict harsh and often irreversible damage on the environment and on critical resources. If not checked, many of our current practices put at serious risk the future that we wish for human society and the plant and animal kingdoms, and may so alter the living world that it will be unable to sustain life in the manner that we know. Fundamental changes are urgent if we are to avoid the collision our present course will bring about.
THE ENVIRONMENT IS SUFFERING CRITICAL STRESS
The Atmosphere
Stratospheric ozone depletion threatens us with enhanced ultra-violet radiation at the earth's surface, which can be damaging or lethal to many life forms. Air pollution near ground level, and acid precipitation, are already causing widespread injury to humans, forests and crops.
Water Resources
Heedless exploitation of depletable ground water supplies endangers food production and other essential human systems. Heavy demands on the world's surface waters have resulted in serious shortages in some 80 countries, containing 40% of the world's population. Pollution of rivers, lakes and ground water further limits the supply.
Oceans
Destructive pressure on the oceans is severe, particularly in the coastal regions which produce most of the world's food fish. The total marine catch is now at or above the estimated maximum sustainable yield. Some fisheries have already shown signs of collapse. Rivers carrying heavy burdens of eroded soil into the seas also carry industrial, municipal, agricultural, and livestock waste—some of it toxic
Soil
Loss of soil productivity, which is causing extensive land abandonment, is a widespread byproduct of current practices in agriculture and animal husbandry. Since 1945, 11% of the earth's vegetated surface has been degraded—an area larger than India and China combined—and per capita food production in many parts of the world is decreasing.
Forests
Tropical rain forests, as well as tropical and temperate dry forests, are being destroyed rapidly. At present rates, some critical forest types will be gone in a few years and most of the tropical rain forest will be gone before the end of the next century. With them will go large numbers of plant and animal species.
Living Species
The irreversible loss of species, which by 2100 may reach one third of all species now living, is especially serious. We are losing the potential they hold for providing medicinal and other benefits, and the contribution that genetic diversity of life forms gives to the robustness of the world's biological systems and to the astonishing beauty of the earth itself.
Much of this damage is irreversible on a scale of centuries or permanent. Other processes appear to pose additional threats. Increasing levels of gases in the atmosphere from human activities, including carbon dioxide released from fossil fuel burning and from deforestation, may alter climate on a global scale. Predictions of global warming are still uncertain—with projected effects ranging from tolerable to very severe—but the potential risks are very great.
Our massive tampering with the world's interdependent web of life—coupled with the environmental damage inflicted by deforestation, species loss, and climate change—could trigger widespread adverse effects, including unpredictable collapses of critical biological systems whose interactions and dynamics we only imperfectly understand.
Uncertainty over the extent of these effects cannot excuse complacency or delay in facing the threat.
POPULATION
The earth is finite. Its ability to absorb wastes and destructive effluent is finite. Its ability to provide food and energy is finite. Its ability to provide for growing numbers of people is finite. And we are fast approaching many of the earth's limits. Current economic practices which damage the environment, in both developed and underdeveloped nations, cannot be continued without the risk that vital global systems will be damaged beyond repair.
Pressures resulting from unrestrained population growth put demands on the natural world that can overwhelm any efforts to achieve a sustainable future. If we are to halt the destruction of our environment, we must accept limits to that growth. A World Bank estimate indicates that world population will not stabilize at less than 12.4 billion, while the United Nations concludes that the eventual total could reach 14 billion, a near tripling of today's 5.4 billion. But, even at this moment, one person in five lives in absolute poverty without enough to eat, and one in ten suffers serious malnutrition.
No more than one or a few decades remain before the chance to avert the threats we now confront will be lost and the prospects for humanity immeasurably diminished.
WARNING
We the undersigned, senior members of the world's scientific community , hereby warn all humanity of what lies ahead. A great change in our stewardship of the earth and the life on it, is required, if vast human misery is to be avoided and our global home on this planet is not to be irretrievably mutilated.
WHAT WE MUST DO
Five inextricably linked areas must be addressed simultaneously:
1. We must bring environmentally damaging activities under control to restore and protect the integrity of the earth's systems we depend on.
We must, for example, move away from fossil fuels to more benign, inexhaustible energy sources to cut greenhouse gas emissions and the pollution of our air and water. Priority must be given to the development of energy sources matched to third world needs—small scale and relatively easy to implement.
We must halt deforestation, injury to and loss of agricultural land, and the loss of terrestrial and marine plant and animal species.
2. We must manage resources crucial to human welfare more effectively.
We must give high priority to efficient use of energy, water, and other materials, including expansion of conservation and recycling.
3. We must stabilize population. This will be possible only if all nations recognize that it requires improved social and economic conditions, and the adoption of effective, voluntary family planning.
4. We must reduce and eventually eliminate poverty.
5. We must ensure sexual equality, and guarantee women control over their own reproductive decisions.
The developed nations are the largest polluters in the world today. They must greatly reduce their overconsumption, if we are to reduce pressures on resources and the global environment. The developed nations have the obligation to provide aid and support to developing nations, because only the developed nations have the financial resources and the technical skills for these tasks.
Acting on this recognition is not altruism, but enlightened self-interest: whether industrialized or not, we all have but one lifeboat. No nation can escape from injury when global biological systems are damaged. No nation can escape from conflicts over increasingly scarce resources. In addition, environmental and economic instabilities will cause mass migrations with incalculable consequences for developed and undeveloped nations alike.
Developing nations must realize that environmental damage is one of the gravest threats they face, and that attempts to blunt it will be overwhelmed if their populations go unchecked. The greatest peril is to become trapped in spirals of environmental decline, poverty, and unrest, leading to social, economic and environmental collapse.
Success in this global endeavor will require a great reduction in violence and war. Resources now devoted to the preparation and conduct of war—amounting to over $1 trillion annually—will be badly needed in the new tasks and should be diverted to the new challenges.
A new ethic is required—a new attitude towards discharging our responsibility for caring for ourselves and for the earth. We must recognize the earth's limited capacity to provide for us. We must recognize its fragility. We must no longer allow it to be ravaged. This ethic must motivate a great movement, convince reluctant leaders and reluctant governments and reluctant peoples themselves to effect the needed changes.
The scientists issuing this warning hope that our message will reach and affect people everywhere.
We need the help of many.
We require the help of the world community of scientists—natural, social, economic, political;
We require the help of the world's business and industrial leaders;
We require the help of the worlds religious leaders; and
We require the help of the world's peoples.
We call on all to join us in this task.
PROMINENT INDIVIDUALS AMONG MORE THAN 1,500 SIGNATORIES
_Anatole Abragam, Physicist; Fmr. Member, Pontifical Academy of Sciences; France
_Carlos Aguirre President, Academy of Sciences, Bolivia
_Walter Alvarez Geologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Viqar Uddin Ammad, Chemist, Pakistani & Third World Academies, Pakistan
_Claude Allegre, Geophysicist, Crafoord Prize, France
_Michael Alpers Epidemiologist, Inst. of Med. Research, Papua New Guinea
_Anne Anastasi, Psychologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Philip Anderson, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Christian Anfinsen, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; USA
_How Ghee Ang, Chemist, Third World Academy, Singapore
_Werner Arber, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Switzerland
_Mary Ellen Avery, Pediatrician, National Medal of Science, USA
_Julius Axelrod, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Michael Atiyah, Mathematician; President, Royal Society; Great Britain
_Howard Bachrach, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA
_John Backus, Computer Scientist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Achmad Baiquni, Physicist, Indonesian & Third World Academies, Indonesia
_David Baltimore, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_H. A. Barker, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Francisco J. Barrantes, Biophysicist, Third World Academy, Argentina
_David Bates, Physicist, Royal Irish Academy, Ireland
_Alan Battersby, Chemist, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, Great Britain
_Baruj Benacerraf, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Georg Bednorz, Nobel laureate, Physics; Switzerland
_Germot Bergold, Inst. Venezolano de Investigaciones Cientificas, Venezuela
_Sune Bergstrom, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Sweden
_Daniel Bes, Physicist, Argentinean & Third World Academies, Argentina
_Hans Bethe, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Arthur Birch Chemist, Australian Academy of Science, Australia
_Michael Bishop, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Konrad Bloch, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Nicholaas Bloembergen, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_David Mervyn Blow, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, Great Britain
_Baruch Blumberg, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Bert Bolin, Meteorologist, Tyler Prize, Sweden
_Norman Borlaug, Agricultural Scientist, Nobel laureate, Peace; USA & Mexico
_Frederick Bormann, Forest Ecologist; Past President, Ecological Soc. of Amer.; USA
_Raoul Bott, Mathematician, National Medal of Science, USA
_Ronald Breslow, Chemist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Ricardo Bressani, Inst. of Nutrition, Guatemalan & Third World Academies, Guatemala
_Hermann Bruck, Astronomer, Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Great Britain
_Gerardo Budowski, Natural Resources, Univ. Para La Paz, Costa Rica
_E. Margaret Burbidge, Astronomer, National Medal of Science, USA
_Robert Burris, Biochemist, Wolf Prize in Agriculture, USA
_Glenn Burton, Geneticist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Adolph Butenandt, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Fmr. President, Max Planck Inst.; Germany
_Sergio Cabrera, Biologist, Univ. de Chile, Chile
_Paulo C. Campos, Medical scientist, Philippine & Third World Academies, Philippines
_Ennio Candotti, Physicist; President, Brazilian Soc. Adv. of Science; Brazil
_Henri Cartan, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, France
_Carlos Chagas, Biologist; Univ. de Rio de Janeiro; Fmr. President, Pontifical Academy of Sciences; Brazil
_Sivaramakrishna Chandrasekhar, Center for Liquid Crystal Research, India
_Georges Charpak, Nobel laureate, Physics; France
_Joseph Chatt, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, Great Britain
_Shiing-Shen Chern, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, China & USA
_Christopher Chetsanga, Biochemist, Affican & Third World Academies, Zimbabwe
_Morris Cohen, Engineering, National Medal of Science, USA
_Stanley Cohen, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Stanley N. Cohen, Geneticist, Wolf Prize in Medicine, USA
_Mildred Cohn, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA
_E. J. Corey, Nobel laureate, Chemistry, USA
_John Cornforth, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Hector Croxatto, Physiologist, Pontifical & Third World Academies, Chile
_Paul Crutzen, Chemist, Tyler Prize, Germany
_Partha Dasgupta, Economist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_Jean Dausset, Nobel laureate, Medicine; France
_Ogulande Robert Davidson, Univ. Res. & Dev. Serv., African Acad., Sierra Leone
_Margaret Davis, Ecologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Luis D'Croz, Limnologist, Univ. de Panama, Panama
_Gerard Debreu, Nobel laureate, Economics; USA
_Pierre-Gilles de Gennes, Nobel laureate, Physics; France
_Johann Deisenhofer, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Germany & USA
_Frederica de Laguna, Anthropologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Paul-Yves Denis, Geographer, Academy of Sciences, Canada
_Pierre Deligne, Mathematician, Crafoord Prize, France
_Frank Dixon, Pathologist, Lasker Award, USA
_Johanna Dobereiner, Biologist, First Sec., Brazilian Academy of Sci.; Pontifical & Third World Academies, Brazil
_Joseph Doob, Mathematician, National Medal of Science, USA
_Renato Dulbecco, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Heneri Dzinotyiweyi, Mathematician, African & Third World Academies, Zimbabwe
_Manfred Eigen, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Germany
_Samuel Eilenberg, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, USA
_Mahdi Elmandjra, Economist; Vice President, African Academy of Sciences; Morocco
_Paul Ehrlich, Biologist, Crafoord Prize, USA
_Thomas Eisner, Biologist, Tyler Prize, USA
_Mohammed T. El-Ashry, Environmental scientist, Third World Academy, Egypt & USA
_Gertrude Elion, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Aina Elvius, Astronomer, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_K. O. Emery, Oceanographer, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Paul Erdos, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, Hungary
_Richard Ernst, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Switzerland
_Vittorio Ersparmer, Pharmacologist, Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
_Sandra Faber, Astronomer, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Nina Federoff, Embryologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Herman Feshbach, Physicist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Inga Fischer-Hjalmars, Biologist, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_Michael Ellis Fisher, Physicist, Wolf Prize in Physics, Great Britain & USA
_Val Fitch, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Daflinn Follesdal, President, Norwegian Academy of Science; Norway
_William Fowler, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Otto Frankel, Geneticist, Australian Academy of Sciences, Australia
_Herbert Friedman, Wolf Prize in Physics, USA
_Jerome Friedman, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Konstantin V. Frolov Engineer; Vice President, Russian Academy of Sciences; Russia
_Kenichi Fukui, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Japan
_Madhav Gadgil, Ecologist, National Science Academy, India
_Mary Gaillard, Physicist, National Academy of Sciences. USA
_Carleton Gajdusek, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Robert Gallo, Research Scientist, Lasker Award, USA
_Rodrigo Gamez ,Instituto Nacional de Biodiversidad, Costa Rica
_Antonio Garcia-Bellido, Biologist, Univ. Auto. Madrid, Royal Society, Spain
_Leopoldo Garcia-Collin, Physicist, Latin American & Third World Academies, Mexico
_Percy Garnham, Royal Society & Pontifical Academy, Great Britain
_Richard Garwin, Physicist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Murray Gell-Mann, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Georgii Georgiev, Biologist, Lenin Prize, Russia
_Humam Bishara Ghassib, Physicist, Third World Academy, Jordan
_Ricardo Giacconi, Astronomer, Wolf Prize in Physics, USA
_Eleanor J. Gibson, Psychologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Marvin Goldberger, Physicist; Fmr. President, Calif. Inst. of Tech., USA
_Maurice Goldhaber, Wolf Prize in Physics, USA
_Donald Glaser, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Sheldon Glashow, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_James Gowans, Wolf Prize in Medicine, France
_Roger Green, Anthropologist, Royal Society, New Zealand
_Peter Greenwood, Ichthyologist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_Edward Goldberg, Chemist, Tyler Prize, USA
_Coluthur Gopolan, Nutrition Foundation of India, Indian & Third World Academies, India
_Stephen Jay Gould, Paleontologist, Author, Harvard Univ., USA
_Roger Guillemin, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Herbert Gutowsky, Wolf Prize in Chemistry, USA
_Erwin Hahn, Wolf Prize in Physics, USA
_Gonzalo Halffter, Ecologist, Inst. Pol. Nac. ,Mexico
_Kerstin Hall, Endocrinologist, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_Mohammed Ahmed Hamdan, Mathematician, Third World, Academy, Jordan
_Adnan Hamoui, Mathematician, Third World, Academy, Kuwait
_A. M. Harun-ar Rashid, Physicist; Sec., Bangladesh, Academy of Sci., Bangladesh
_Mohammed H. A. Hassan, Physicist; Exec. Sec., Third World Academy of Sciences; Sudan & Italy
_Ahmed Hassanli, Chemist, African Academy of Sciences, Tanzania & Kenya
_Herbert Hauptman, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; USA
_Stephen Hawking, Mathematician, Wolf Prize in Physics, Great Britain
_Elizabeth Hay, Biologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Dudley Herschbach, Nobel laureate, Chemistry, USA
_Gerhard Herzberg, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Canada
_Antony Hewish, Nobel laureate, Physics; Great Britain
_George Hitchings, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Dorothy Crowfoot Hodgkin, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Roald Hoffman, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; USA
_Robert Holley, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Nick Holonyak, Electrical Engineer, National Medal of Science, USA
_Lars Hormander, Wolf Prize in Mathematics, Sweden
_Dorothy Horstmann, Epidemiologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_John Houghton, Meteorologist; Chairman, Science Working Group, IPCC; Great Britain
_Sarah Hrdy, Anthropologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Kenneth Hsu, Geologist, Third World Academy, China & Switzerland
_Kun Huang, Physicist, Chinese Academy of Sciences, China
_Hiroshi Inose, Electrical Engineer; Vice President, Engineering Academy; Japan
_Turner T. Isoun, Pathologist, African Academy of Sciences, Nigeria
_Francois Jacob, Nobel laureate, Medicine; France
_Carl-Olof Jacobson Zoologist; Sec-Gen., Royal Academy of Sciences; Sweden
_Dorothea Jameson, Psychologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Daniel Janzen, Biologist, Crafoord Prize, USA
_Cecilia Jarlskog, Physicist, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_Louise Johnson, Biophysicist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_Harold Johnston, Chemist, Tyler Prize, USA
_Victor A. Kabanov, Chemist, Lenin Prize in Science, Russia
_Jerome Karle, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Robert Kates, Geographer, National Medal of Science, USA
_Frederick I. B. Kayanja, Vice-Chnclr., Mbarara Univ., Third World Academy, Uganda
_Joseph Keller, Mathematician, National Medal of Science, USA
_Henry Kendall, Nobel laureate, Physics; Chairman, Union of Concerned Scientists; USA
_John Kendrew, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Elisabeth Kessler, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_Maung-U Khin, Pediatrician, Third World Academy, Myamnar & USA
_Gurdev Khush, Agronomist, International Rice Institute, Indian Natl. Sci. Academy, India & Philippines
_Susan Kieffer, Geologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Klaus von Klitzing, Nobel laureate, Physics; Germany
_Aaron Klug, Nobel laureate, Chemistry, Great Britain
_E. F. Knipling, Agricultural Researcher, National Medal of Science, USA
_Walter Kohn, Physicist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Janos Kornai, Economist, Hungarian Academy of Science, Hungary
_Aderemi Kuku, Mathematician, African & Third World Acads., Nigeria
_Ikuo Kushiro, Geologist, Japan Academy, Japan
_Devendra Lal, Geophysicist, National Science Academy, India
_Gerardo Lamas-Muller, Biologist, Museo de Historia Natural, Peru
_Torvard Laurent, Physiological chemist; President, Royal Academy of Sciences; Sweden
_Leon Lederman, Nobel laureate, Physics; Chr., Amer. Assn. Adv. Sci.; USA
_Sang Soo Lee, Physicist, Korean & Third World Academies, Rep. of Korea
_Yuan T. Lee, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; USA
_Susan Leeman Pharmacologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Jean Marie Lehn, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; France
_Wassily Leontief, Nobel laureate, Economics; USA
_Luna Leopold, Geologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Louis Leprince-Ringuet, Physicist, French & Pontifical Academies, France
_Vladilen Letokhov, Physicist, Lenin Prize in Science, Russia
_Rita Levi-Montalcini, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA & Italy
_Li Chang-lin, Environmental Sciences, Fudan University, China
_Shan Tao Liao, Mathematician, Chinese & Third World Academies, China
_William Lipscomb, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Jane Lubchenco, Zoologist; President-Elect, Ecological Soc. of Amer.; USA
_Christopher Magazda, Limnologist, African Academy of Sciences, Zimbabwe
_Lydia Phindile Makhubu, Chemist, Third World & African Academies, Swaziland
_Khursheed Ahmad Malik, Microbiologist, Pakistan & Third World Academies, Pakistan & Germany
_Lynn Margulis, Biologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Paul Marks, Oncologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_George Martine, Inst. for Study of Society, Population, & Nature; Brazil
_Frederico Mayor, Biochemist; Dir. Gen., UNESCO, Spain & France
_Ernst Mayr, Zoologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Maclyn McCarty, Wolf Prize in Medicine, USA
_James McConnell, Physicist, Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Ireland
_Digby McLaren, Past President, Royal Society of Canada; Canada
_James Meade, Nobel laureate, Economics; Great Britain
_Jerrold Meinwald, Chemistry, Tyler Prize, USA
_M. G. K Menon, Physicist; President, International Council of Scientific Unions; India
_Gennady Mesiatz, Physicist; Vice President, Russian Academy of Sciences; Russia
_Jan Michalski, Biologist, Polish Academy of Science, Poland
_Hartmut Michel, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Germany
_Brenda Milner, Neurologist, Academy of Sciences, Canada
_Cesar Milstein, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Argentina & Great Britain
_Franco Modigliani, Nobel laureate, Economics; USA
_Andrei Monin, Oceanologist, State Prize, Russia
_Marcos Moshinsky, Physicist, Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Mexico
_Nevill Mott, Nobel laureate, Physics; Great Britain
_Teruaki Mukaiyama, Chemist, Japan Academy, Japan
_Walter Munk, Geophysicist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Anne Murray, Ethnographer, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_Joseph Murray, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Noreen Murray, Biologist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_Lawrence Mysak, Meteorologist; Vice President, Academy of Science, Royal Society of Canada; Canada
_Jayant Vishnu Narlikar, Astrophysicist, Indian & Third World Academies, India
_Anwar Nasim, Biologist, Third World Academy, Saudi Arabia
_Kim Nasmyth, Biologist, Royal Society, Great Britain & Austria
_James Neel, Geneticist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Louis Neel, Nobel laureate, Physics; France
_Yuval Ne'eman, Physicist, Natl. Acad. of Sci. & Humanities, Israel
_Oleg M. Nefedov, Chemist; Vice President, Russian Academy of Sciences; Russia
_Erwin Neher, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Germany
_Marshall Nirenberg, Biochemist; Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Yasutomi Nishizuka, Biochemist, Lasker Award, Japan
_John S. Nkoma, Physicist, Third World Academy, Botswana
_Paul Nchoji Nkvvi, Anthropologist, African Academy, Cameroon
_Howard Odum, Ecologist, Crafoord Prize, USA
_Bede Nwoye Okigbo, Agricultural Scientist; Dir., U.N. Unv. Pgm. Natrl. Res. in Afr.; Nigeria & Kenya
_Ayub Khan Ommaya, Neurobiologist, Third World Academy, Pakistan & USA
_Cyril Agodi Onwumechili, Physicist, Fmr. Pres., Nigerian Acad. of Sciences, Nigeria & Great Britain
_Mary Jane Osborn, Microbiologist, National Academy of Scientists, USA
_Yuri Ossipyan, Physicist; Vice President, Russian Academy of Sciences; Russia
_Autzr Singh Paintal, Physiologist, Fmr. President, Indian National Science Academy, India
_George Pake, Physicist, National Medal of Science, USA
_George Palade, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Mary Lou Pardue, Biologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Linus Pauling, Nobel laureate, Chemistry & Peace, USA
_Barbara Pearse, Molecular Biologist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_Muhammed Abed Peerally, Biologist, Third World Academy, Mauritius
_Manuel Peimbert, Astronomer, Univ. Nac. Aut. de Mexico, Mexico
_Roger Penrose, Mathematician, Wolf Prize in Physics, Great Britain
_John Philip, Agricultural Science, Australian Academy of Science, Australia
_Lilian Pickford, Physiologist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_John R. Pierce, Electrical Engineer, National Medal of Science, USA
_John Polanyi, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Canada
_George Porter, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Ilya Prigogine, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Belgium
_Giampietro Puppi, Physicist, Pontifical Academy of Sciences, Italy
_Edward Purcell, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Atta ur-Rahman, Chemist, Pakistani & Third World Academies, Pakistan
_G. N. Ramachandran, Mathematician, Inst. of Science, India
_Tiruppattur Ramakrishnan, Physicist, Indian & Third World Academies, India
_Chintamani Rao, Inst. of Science, Indian and Pontifical Academies, India
_Eduardo Rapoport, Ecologist, Third World Academy, Argentina
_Marianne Rasmuson, Geneticist, Royal Academy of Sciences, Sweden
_Peter Raven, Director, Missouri Botanical Garden; National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Martin Rees, Astronomer, Royal Society & Pontifical Academy, Great Britain
_Gerardo Reichel-Dolmatoff, Anthropologist, Columbian & Third World Academies, Columbia
_Tadeus Reichstein, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Switzerland
_Frederick Reines, Physicist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Alexander Rich, Biologist, National & Pontifical Academies, USA
_Burton Richter, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Ralph Riley, Wolf Prize in Agriculture, Great Britain
_Claude Rimington, Inst. for Cancer Research, Norwegian Academy of Science, Norway
_Gustavo Rivas Mijares, Engineer; Fmr. President, Academy of Sciences, Venezuela
_Frederick Robbins, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Wendell Roelofs, Entomologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Betty Roots, Zoologist, Academy of Sciences, Canada
_Miriam Rothschild, Biologist, Royal Society, Great Britain
_Sherwood Rowland, Chemist; President, American Association for the Advancement of Science; USA
_Janet Rowley, Physician, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Carlo Rubbia, Nobel laureate, Physics, Italy & Switzerland
_Vera Rubin, Physicist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Yuri Rudenko, Energy Research Inst., State Prize laureate, Russia
_Elizabeth Russell, Jackson Laboratory, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Albert Sabin, Virologist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Carl Sagan, Astrophysicist & Author, USA
_Roald Sagdeev, Physicist, Russian & Pontifical Academies, Russia & USA
_Ruth Sager, Geneticist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Farrokh Saidi, Surgeon, Third World Academy, Iran
_Abdus Salam, Nobel laureate, Physics; President, Third World Academy of Sciences, Pakistan & Italy
_Frederick Sanger, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Jose Sarukhan, Biologist, Third World Academy, Mexico
_Berta Scharrer,Neuroscientist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Richard Schultes, Botanist, Tyler Prize, USA
_Melvin Schwartz, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Julian Schwinger, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Glenn Seaborg, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_Michael Sela, Weizmann Inst., Pontifical Academy of Science, Israel
_Arne Semb-Johansson, Entomologist, Norwegian Academy of Science, Norway
_Salimuzzaman Siddiqui, Chemist, Pontifical & Third World Academies, Pakistan
_Kai Siegbahn, Nobel laureate, Physics; Sweden
_Thomas Silou, Biochemist, African Academy of Sciences, Congo
_Herbert Simon, Nobel laureate, Economics; USA
_Alexej Sitenko, Physicist, Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, Ukraine
_Jens Skou, Biophysicist, Royal Academy of Sciences, Denmark
_Charles Slack, Agricultural Science, Royal Society, New Zealand
_George Snell, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Roger Sperry, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Alexander Spirin, Biologistn Lenin Prize, Russia
_Earl Stadtman, Biochemist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Thressa Stadtman, Biochemist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Ledyard Stebbins, Geneticist, National Medal of Science, USA
_Jack Steinberger, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA & Switzerland
_Janos Szentgothai, Fmr. President, Hungarian Academy of Sciences; Hungary
_Tan Jia-zhen, Geneticist, Shanghai Univ., China
_Andrezej Tarkowski, Embryologist, Polish [text missing]
_Valentine Telegdi, Wolf Prize in Physics, Switzerland
_Kirthi Tennakone, Physicist, Third World Academy, Sri Lanka
_Walter Thirring, Physicist, Austrian & Pontifical Academies, Austria
_Donnall Thomas, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Jan Tinbergen, Nobel laureate, Economics; Netherlands
_Samuel C. C. Ting, Nobel laureate, Physics; USA
_James Tobin, Nobel laureate, Economics; USA
_Alexander Todd, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Susumu Tonegawa, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Japan & USA
_Cheng Kui Tseng, Oceanologist, Chinese & Third World Academies, China
_Hans Tuppy, Biochemist, Austrian & Pontifical Academies, Austria
_James Van Allen, Physicist, Crafoord Prize, USA
_Simon van der Meer, Nobel laureate, Physics; Netherlands & Switzerland
_John Vane, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Great Britain
_Harold Varmus, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Martha Vaughan, Biochemist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_George Wald, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Henrik Wallgren, Zoologist, Society of Science & Letters, Finland
_E. T. S. Walton, Nobel laureate, Physics, Ireland
_Prawase Wasi, Hematologist, Third World Academy, Thailand
_Gerald Wasserburg, Geophysicist, Crafoord Prize, USA
_James Watson, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Victor Weisskopf, Wolf Prize in Physics, USA
_Thomas Weller, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Diter von Wettstein, Physiologist, Royal Academy of Sciences, Denmark
_Fred Whipple, Astronomer, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Gilbert White, Geographer, Tyler Prize, USA
_Torsten Wiesel, Nobel laureate, Medicine; USA
_Jerome Wiesner, Physicist, Fmr. President, Mass. Inst. of Tech., USA
_Maurice Wilkins, Nobel laureate, Medicine; Great Britain
_Geoffrey Wilkinson, Nobel laureate, Chemistry; Great Britain
_Richard Willems, Geneticist, Estonian Biocentre, Estonia
_Edward O. Wilson, Biologist, Crafoord Prize, USA
_Lawrence A. Wilson, Agricultural Science, Third World Academy, Trinidad
_Evelyn Witkin, Biologist, National Academy of Sciences, USA
_Yang Fujia, Physicist, Chinese & Third World Academies, China
_Alexander L. Yanshin, Geologist, Karpinsky Gold Medal, Russia
_Yongyuth Yuthavong, Biochemist; Director, National Sci. & Tech. Devl. Agency, Thailand
_Zhao Zhong-xian, Physicist, Chinese & Third World Academies, China
_Zhou Guang-zhao, Physicist; President, Chinese Academy of Sciences;, China
_Solly ZuckerInan, Zoologist, Royal Society, Great Britain
Over 1,500 members of national, regional, and international science academies have signed the Warning. Sixty-nine nations from all parts of Earth are represented, including each of the twelve most populous nations and the nineteen largest economic powers. The full list includes a majority of the Nobel laureates in the sciences. Awards and institutional affiliations are listed for the purpose of identification only. The Nobel Prize in medicine is for physiology or medicine.
A WORLD SCIENTISTS' WARNING BRIEFING BOOK is available from the Union of Concerned Scientists. It provides the citations to support their WARNING.
Union of Concerned Scientists, 96 Church Street, Cambridge, Mass 02238-9105, USA
Phone: 617-547-5552; FAX: 617-864-9405
http://www.ucsusa.org/ ucs@igc.apc.org
[Warning issued on November 18, 1992, transcribed by Jay Hanson—apologies for any typos]
From the Best Minds in the World: 100 Nobel Laureates Warn Our Planet
From www.cybernaute.com/earthconcert2000/TurningTide1.htm#7 - 16 Dec '01
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2001 - From: Art b Rosenblum - Friday, December 07, 2001
OSLO, Norway - December 7, 2001 (OTVNewswire)-- At the Nobel Peace Prize Centennial Symposium here yesterday celebrating the 100th anniversary of the Nobel prize, 100 Nobel laureates have issued a brief but dire warning of the "profound dangers" facing the world. Their statement predicts that our security depends on immediate environmental and social reform. The following is the text of their statement:
THE STATEMENT
The most profound danger to world peace in the coming years will stem not from the irrational acts of states or individuals but from the legitimate demands of the world's dispossessed. Of these poor and disenfranchised, the majority live a marginal existence in equatorial climates. Global warming, not of their making but originating with the wealthy few, will affect their fragile ecologies most. Their situation will be desperate and manifestly unjust.
It cannot be expected, therefore, that in all cases they will be content to await the beneficence of the rich. If then we permit the devastating power of modern weaponry to spread through this combustible human landscape, we invite a conflagration that can engulf both rich and poor. The only hope for the future lies in co-operative international action, legitimized by democracy.
It is time to turn our backs on the unilateral search for security, in which we seek to shelter behind walls. Instead, we must persist in the quest for united action to counter both global warming and a weaponized world.
These twin goals will constitute vital components of stability as we move toward the wider degree of social justice that alone gives hope of peace.
Some of the needed legal instruments are already at hand, such as the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Convention on Climate Change, the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaties and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. As concerned citizens, we urge all governments to commit to these goals that constitute steps on the way to replacement of war by law.
To survive in the world we have transformed, we must learn to think in a new way. As never before, the future of each depends on the good of all.
THE SIGNATORIES
Zhohres I. Alferov Physics, 2000
Sidney Altman Chemistry, 1989
Philip W. Anderson Physics, 1977
Oscar Arias Sanchez Peace, 1987
J. Georg Bednorz Physics, 1987
Bishop Carlos F.X. Belo Peace, 1996
Baruj Benacerraf Physiology/Medicine, 1980
Hans A. Bethe Physics, 1967
James W. Black Physiology/Medicine, 1988
Guenter Blobel Physiology/Medicine, 1999
Nicolaas Bloembergen Physics, 1981
Norman E. Boriaug Peace, 1970
Paul D. Boyer Chemistry, 1997
Bertram N. Brockhouse Physic, 1994
Herbert C. Brown Chemistry, 1979
Georges Charpak Physics, 1992
Claude Cohen-Tannoudji Physics, 1997
John W. Cornforth Chemistry, 1975
Francis H. Crick Physiology/Medicine, 1962
James W. Cronin Physics, 1980
Paul J. Crutzen Chemistry, 1995
Robert F. Curl Chemistry, 1996
His Holiness The Dalai Lama Peace, 1989
Johann Deisenhofer Chemistry, 1988
Peter C. Doherty Physiology/Medicine, 1996
Manfred Eigen Chemistry, 1967
Richard R. Ernst Chemistry, 1991
Leo Esaki Physics, 1973
Edmond H. Fischer Physiology/Medicine, 1992
Val L. Fitch Physics, 1980
Dario Fo Literature, 1997
Robert F. Furchgott Physiology/Medicine, 1998
Walter Gilbert Chemistry, 1980
Sheldon L. Glashow Physics, 1979
Mikhail S. Gorbachev Peace, 1990
Nadine Gordimer Literature, 1991
Paul Greengard Physiology/Medicine, 2000
Roger Guillemin Physiology/Medicine, 1977
Herbert A. Hauptman Chemistry, 1985
Dudley R. Herschbach Chemistry, 1986
Antony Hewish Physics, 1974
Roald Hoffman Chemistry, 1981
Gerardus 't Hooft Physics, 1999
David H. Hubel Physiology/Medicine, 1981
Robert Huber Chemistry, 1988
Francois Jacob Physiology/Medicine, 1975
Brian D. Josephson Physics, 1973
Jerome Karle Chemistry, 1985
Wolfgang Ketterle Physics, 2001
H. Gobind Khorana Physiology/Medicine, 1968
Lawrence R. Klein Economics, 1980
Klaus von Klitzing Physics, 1985
Aaron Klug Chemistry, 1982
Walter Kohn Chemistry, 1998
Herbert Kroemer Physics, 2000
Harold Kroto Chemistry, 1996
Willis E. Lamb Physics, 1955
Leon M. Lederman Physics, 1988
Yuan T. Lee Chemistry, 1986
Jean-Marie Lehn Chemistry, 1987
Rita Levi-Montalcini Physiology/Medicine, 1986
William N. Lipscomb Chemistry, 1976
Alan G. MacDiarmid Chemistry, 2000
Daniel L. McFadden Economics, 2000
César Milstein Physiology/Medicine, 1984
Franco Modigliani Economics, 1985
Rudolf L. Moessbauer Physics, 1961
Mario J. Molina Chemistry, 1995
Ben R. Mottelson Physics, 1975
Ferid Murad Physiology/Medicine, 1998
Erwin Neher Physiology/Medicine, 1991
Marshall W. Nirenberg Physiology/Medicine, 1968
Joseph E. Murray Physiology/Medicine, 1990
Paul M. Nurse Physiology/Medicine, 2001
Max F. Perutz Chemistry, 1962
William D. Phillips Physics, 1997
John C. Polanyi Chemistry, 1986
Ilya Prigogine Chemistry, 1977
Burton Richter Physics, 1976
Heinrich Rohrer Physics, 1987
Joseph Rotblat Peace, 1995
Carlo Rubbia Physics, 1984
Bert Sakmann Physiology/Medicine, 1991
Frederick Sanger Chemistry, 1958; 1980
José Saramago Literature, 1998
J. Robert Schrieffer Physics, 1972
Melvin Schwartz Physics, 1988
K. Barry Sharpless Chemistry, 2001
Richard E. Smalley Chemistry, 1996
Jack Steinberger Physics, 1988
Joseph E. Stiglitz Economics, 2001
Horst L. Stormer Physics, 1998
Henry Taube Chemistry, 1983
Joseph H. Taylor Jr. Physics, 1993
Susumu Tonegawa Physiology/Medicine, 1997
Charles H. Townes Physics, 1964
Daniel T. Tsui Physics, 1998
Archbishop Desmond M. Tutu Peace, 1984
John Vane Physiology/Medicine, 1982
John E. Walker Chemistry, 1997
Eric F. Wieschaus Physiology/Medicine, 1982
Jody Williams Peace, 1997
Robert W. Wilson Physics, 1978
Ahmed H. Zewail Chemistry, 1999
Union Of Concerned Scientists
October 2, 1997
World's Nobel Laureates And Preeminent Scientists Call On Government Leaders To Halt Global Warming
(Washington, DC - September 30) More than 1,500 of the world's most distinguished senior scientists, including the majority of Nobel laureates in science, have signed a landmark consensus declaration urging leaders worldwide to act immediately to prevent the potentially devastating consequences of human-induced global warming. The "World Scientists' Call for Action at Kyoto" was presented to the Clinton Administration today at a Science Summit on Climate Change in Washington, DC.
"Let there be no doubt about the conclusions of the scientific community: the threat of global warming is very real and action is needed immediately," said Nobel laureate Henry Kendall, Chairman of the Union of Concerned Scientists and author of the scientists' statement. "It is a grave error to believe that we can continue to procrastinate. Scientists do not believe this and no one else should either."
Leading scientists came to the Science Summit to ensure that government leaders base their global warming policies on climate science, not politics. In December, world leaders will gather in Kyoto, Japan, to negotiate final agreement on a treaty to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases that are altering the climate. The White House has yet to announce its concrete proposals to limit global warming and has scheduled a conference on the subject for October 6.
The scientists' declaration urges all government leaders to demonstrate a new commitment to protecting the global environment for future generations. According to the scientists, a strong treaty will be the "first step to protect future generations from dire prospects that would result from failure to meet our responsibilities toward them. The stark facts carry a clear signal: There is only one responsible choice to act now."
"This is a wake-up call for world leaders. Never before has the senior scientific community spoken so boldly on the urgent need to prevent disruption to our climate," said Nobel laureate Dudley Herschbach, Professor of Chemistry at Harvard University. "Scientists and citizens around the world will hold leaders accountable if a strong climate treaty is not reached."
The "Call for Action" is notable in both the pedigree and cautious nature of its backers. The signers come from 63 countries and include leaders and senior members of national science academies from around the world, chief authors and the former head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, National Medal of Science recipients, and winners of the Craaford Prize. A majority of the world's Nobel winners in science - 98 out of 171 - signed the statement.
The declaration points out that a strong climate treaty in Kyoto would address one of the most serious threats to the planet and future generations. The declaration states that:
* Global warming is underway and our overuse of fossil fuels is partly to blame.
* Climate change is projected to raise sea levels; increase the likelihood of more intense rainfall, floods, and droughts; and endanger human health by greater exposure to heat waves and encroachment of tropical diseases to higher latitudes.
* Climate change is likely to exacerbate food shortages and spread undernutrition by adversely affecting water supplies, soil conditions, temperature tolerances, and growing seasons.
* Climate change will accelerate the appalling pace at which species are now disappearing, especially in vulnerable ecosystems. Possibly one-third of all species may be lost before the end of the next century.
* Continued destruction of forests will undermine the environment's natural ability to store carbon, thereby enhancing global warming.
The scientists note that leading economists have identified viable policies for reducing global warming and urge government leaders to enact sound energy policies that promote energy efficiency and renewable energy, like solar and wind power.
"We need to speed the transition away from oil and coal while developing cutting-edge technologies involving wind, biomass, and solar power," said Kendall. "A move to clean energy and energy efficiency will bring major benefits to both industrial and developing nations."
The world's scientists believe that completion of a strong Climate Treaty would set a "landmark precedent for addressing other grave environmental threats, many linked to climate change. It would demonstrate that the world's leaders have now recognized, in deeds and words, their responsibility for stewardship of the earth."
The Union of Concerned Scientists organized the scientists' statement and summit. Established in 1969, UCS is a national non-profit organization dedicated to advancing responsible public policies in areas where science and technology play a critical role. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 1:31:13 AM | ^^^^^I'm not kidding but thanks LOL....It's IMO .....
Like I said...there's incredible money and power in controlling the worlds energy consumption ...so much so that people get influenced on a controversial subject ..even "scientists" who certainly aren't directly involved in independant research on the subject and probably know what's poltically expedient and who butters their bread ....I think they figure ...."hey what heck I'll sign" ..."it's for less polution what could be wrong with that ."
ps. I wouldn't be surpirised that if you sent an anti kyoto document around and it was done in secret you might actually find more "best minds in the world" on it than on your list.
I don't think it's so wild a concept that academia is very political !!!! ..the above document is sensational ....but proves very little ...in fact it may give my argument more credibility since there is no similar anti global warming theory document to sign or to be publicized ....with the backing of oil companies(you know the ones who some say has the u.s. in iraq?) and auto industry and industry in general etc. etc. .... why not??..there could have been..if there were a power to make it happen .....get it???. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 1:58:51 AM | cedar,
Okie dokie artichokie, you hang with your incredibly credible argument... I'm hanging with the Nobel Laureates. 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, get busy circulating that anti-Kyoto document, will ya? 
See ya in the stacks.....................
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Posted: 11/4/2006 2:35:07 AM | Look to the sky, look to the stars, look to the bottom of the ocean. Then dig real deep and what do you find? In the marrow of the earth...OIL. what was it before? How did it get down there? and what will we be when the earth rolls over and a coughs.
For the earth a minor flu for a couple million years and back to business...all is green again with new creatures. like the creatures that multiply now and think that they are so special and deserve special consideration from heaven and earth. When you have to point to polluters, gather together and count your offspring.The earth doesn't give one good damn, that is assured. As for the spirit, we'll see some day. Until then, point to the stars and the sky and the ocean just like Ooog the cave man did before us. In earth minutes we are a speck in time.One volcano can do more in one year than all the cows, cars and campfires we feed. It's Ironic that as far as we look the answer is at our feet. When its ready whether helped or hindered, the earth will have its way and nature will celebrate our departure. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 4:11:15 AM | ps. ....kyoto and iraq are linked ...it's all about global control
So, the Whitehouse is raping Iraq and pushing for Kyoto?
Or, are the people behind Kyoto, raping Iraq?
Or, ....is that just a Nancy Luft kinda' scenario?
credible?
Hmmmmm.....
NASA
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2006/2006-10-02-02.asp
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0927-10.htm
1,000 scientists studying climate change
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0726-03.htm
AUTO POLLUTION? NO. IT'S THOSE KILLER TREES
Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham meets reporters in Washington Thursday, July 24, 2003 to announce the Bush plan to study global warming. Abraham, a former Republican Senator from Michigan, was the top recipient of campaign contributions from the automotive industry during 1999-2000, receiving more than $700,000 for his failed Senate run in 2000 from contributors including General Motors, Ford and Lear Corp. The chief goal of the $130 million study is learning more about natural causes of climate change, drawing criticism from environmentalists who say reducing US carbon dioxide emissions is the real problem.
show me a manifestation of the auto industry influencing the debate...any main stream media articles ??????
Yeah, you're right, we should just wait to see if it's true before we do something about it, Phhhhhhhtt! ....what's the worst that could happen
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Posted: 11/4/2006 5:36:11 AM | Serendipitee, that was some read and after reading it all, I'm still wondering how any of it proves that because we MAY have caused the temperature to rise 1 degree over the past 100 years, we're going to devestate the economy. Sure, we may devestate different regions and perhaps wipe out a couple of smaller nations but that isn't going to change the economy, which happens to be the point of this thread..Remember that big Sunami that wiped out so many people and businesses! Well, not only did that place get world-wide recognition, as well as world-wide donations, it also opened many new jobs in the construction field, so now that it's all rebuilt, the place wil get twice as many tourists, thereby actually BOOSTING their economy.
You have to take out the old to make room for the new.
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Posted: 11/4/2006 6:06:53 AM | Let's consider absolute "proofs" then, this is the crux of my argument:
If we bet on the environmentalists and they're wrong?
We will still have a less poisoned planet to show for whatever expenditure is made.
If we bet on the environmentalists and they're right?
We have helped ensure our survival
If we bet on the converse and are right?
There are still the very real issues of pollution, and the health issues our children inherit.
If we bet on the converse and are wrong?
Um, ........where do you suggest we live?
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Posted: 11/4/2006 10:49:07 AM | ^^^^^^
Y2K comes to mind when people have such a doomsday outlook ...as in the earth is burning up!.. must do something fast!!
IMO....
I feel that anything built on lies and manipulation cannot bring any good to the world.
I think that the oil companies have acted as a cartel and if there were a free market alternate cleaner fuels would have now been developed and much more progress made.....early on we used much dirtier burning trees and coal ...progress was made .
Basically I would think that effective reasonable policy on a cleaner planet would be the idea ...not handing over immense power to an agency built on at the very least questionable foundations.
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Posted: 11/4/2006 2:36:25 PM | Hey, all:
It truly is sad when someone doesn't realize they are beaten. These can only hide their collective head in the sand and practice contrived ignorant blindness and denial.
CEDAR: SERENDIPITEEE RAN THE TABLE ON YOU AND TOOK YOUR GODDAM MONEY AND YOUR GODDAM CLOTHES. YOU DID NOT HAVE A SHOT!! Do you understand?--you are broke naked and clueless!! Do you at least have a clue what this metaphor means?
It is as if a drowning person has to have something to hold onto--an abstract branch of denial, to claim that they are not IN FACT DROWNING, but instead believe that they are standing on dry land, as though divine intervention or power of ignorance were positive forces. So while they DROWN they wish to convince all the rest that everything is fine. Excuses will come later.
There are plenty of sources for the open-minded objective person to discover that in fact anthropogenic climate change has started. There is also plenty of evidence to establish that there is a well-funded campaign to obstruct action on the problem. The motive for this campaign of obstruction is greed--plain and simple. Progression of the phenomenon is such that conditions will get worse before they get better.
We do not know all the repercussions of anthropogenic climate change, but none of them are good, despite some Pollyanna pronouncements to the contrary. Sea levels will rise due to melted ice--disputing this is foolish--all the piddling little objections are only proof of the larger point. With higher sea levels comes the displacement of hundreds of millions of people, and all the natural habitat impacts as well. Global precipitation patterns will change and cause huge water crises for billions of people. Seasonal melt ice that currently recharges rivers and reservoirs will disappear along with habitat for hundreds of thousands species in all taxonomic groups. This same loss of water will change inshore salinity of millions of square miles of estuaries worldwide, impacting the marine and coastal biota that depend on them. Every one of these impacts have their huge untold economic impacts.
That is just a snapshot, a sketch of one aspect: water. The entire visual presentation is extremely sobering to the caring intelligent person.
Temperature regimes will also change, as the average temperature rises in practically every spot on the earth. With this comes changes in distribution of plants, both natural and human engineered. Crops that could grow in some areas will not continue due to higher temperature and less water. Desertification will continue as natural and human-caused shifts in vegetation occur. Historic grazing areas--huge expansive areas of grassland will change to short-grass or xeric woody species. Species that are not sufficiently and rapidly mobile in their dispersal mechanisms, or are obstructed by habitat or geographic barriers will become extinct. This is especially true of mountain areas, which are in fact conceptual islands. Tremendous numbers of species will die out as these habitat islands--the mountains--become warmer and drier. Migratory mammals, as an example, will have no where to migrate to and from. Costs of all these impacts are enormous, monetary and environmental.
This is just a superficial examination of one other aspect: temperature. There are many more aspects and millions of likely examples of the result of inaction.
These are just 2 very simple, easy-to-grasp real concepts in real anthropogenic climate change.
The solutions are also simple to grasp but they will take time and effort and changes in attitude and behavior to implement.
All the solutions can be distilled into one word: sustainability. Anything sustainable can be used essentially without end. It requires no consumption of finite or limited resources. It does not harm the physical environment or the biotic community.
The main source of sustainable energy resources is the sun, in all of its manifestations: sun, wind, precipitation, plants, tides, seasons all can contribute to beneficially changing the way we live and work. Many important discoveries have already been made and more, much more exciting ones will be made in the future.
There are hundreds of things the average person can do depending on their circumstances, starting with things starting with energy-efficient light bulbs, then water efficiency, efficient appliances, insulation, green building, sustainable architecture, planned communites, etc. The potential list is endless, limited only by our determination, energy, brains, and imagination.
Sustainable agriculture can start with a person raising some of their own food. There is a concept called 'the 3000-mile Caesar Salad', meaning the outrageous cost and effort needed to raise and ship food, much of it cold water large distances to consumers, who have usable land literally under their feet. The Escherichia coli and Salmonella outbreaks would be things imagined rather than real. Food raised by your own hands tastes better, spiritually and actually, and is better for you in many ways. If you go to an organic farmers' market for local produce, you will be supporting local agriculture.
There is a huge benefit to taking action--applying technology and starting businesses to manufacture and distribute and install infrastructure for sustainability would generate billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs--Ohio would be grateful--all reversing the ecomomic forecasts and instead benefiting sustainability.
These are just a few small simple observations of the reality we face, many with eoconomic consequences. There are many many more, such as unrealistic, selfish, consumer demand and unchecked human overpopulation. Virtually all current technology and corrections to our lifestyle are available to the average person. About the only things needed are to shed our ignorance and apathy. However, many mental couch potatoes will have to decide if they are part of the problem, or part of the solution.
David
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Posted: 11/4/2006 7:25:55 PM |
Seeing how they say plant matter also contributed, throw in some lettuce.... And how about at least giving us a THEORY AS TO HOW THAT MESS BECAMSE OIL......"
They had bigger lettuce back then. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 8:08:18 PM |
CEDAR: SERENDIPITEEE RAN THE TABLE ON YOU AND TOOK YOUR GODDAM MONEY AND YOUR GODDAM CLOTHES. YOU DID NOT HAVE A SHOT!! Do you understand?--you are broke naked and clueless!! Do you at least have a clue what this metaphor means?
wow.... that serendipitee is good ...I never detected a thing .....LOL... give 'em back serendipitee!!
I think you are very pationate about this global warming ....it's great to be so ..but be careful you keep an open mind on the matter .... and that your emotions aren't just being played on. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 8:47:11 PM | well, as we can clearly see, one side here has been purposefully misinformed and is wrong.
come on, you can't argue with NoTexMan and serendipiteee... "C'mon pal, you ARE kidding, right?"
and it's not there fault, they have been lied too.
Bush has added over 350 new appointments science the Clinton Admin.
they are his "Economic Hit Men" (Perkins) or in this case "Media Hit Men".
they become the spokesmen for all the government agencies.
they don't even have to hire Hill & Knowlton any more. now they work directly for the Admin.
they lead the agency away from proven science journals towards the Bush Agenda creationist theories.
this is serious, watch this: proof, how we're being lies too, "The War On Science"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3915609814032040544&q=bush+science&hl=en
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Posted: 11/4/2006 9:19:37 PM | "I'm not kidding...you've got to be blind....
show me a manifestation of the auto industry influencing the debate...any main stream media articles ??????
you would think they would be anti kyoto ....but as you know the establisment works in concert ...they are "on side" I would say .....no?"
A new winner in the "Most Retarded Post" competition!! Could this person sound any more like a bought-and-paid-for oil industry hack? What a sad, pathetic attempt at "viral posting." Come ON!! You've got to at least TRY to hide your bias...and which asses you're kissing!! | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 10:07:12 PM | you didn't watch the video did you.
try again:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3915609814032040544&q=bush+science&hl=en
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Posted: 11/4/2006 10:31:04 PM | I posted this before on this issue, maybe it should be posted again:
Alarm over the prospect of the Earth warming is not warranted by the agreed
science or economics of the issue. Global warming is happening and man is responsible
for at least some of it. Yet this does not mean that global warming will cause enough
damage to the Earth and humanity to require drastic cuts in energy use, a policy that
would have damaging consequences of its own. Moreover, science cannot answer
questions that are at heart economic or political, such as whether the Kyoto Protocol is
worthwhile. This paper summarizes current genuine issues in global warming research
and seeks to set the record straight on scare stories that have been exaggerated by the
media and vested interests such as environmental pressure groups.
1. The Science
• There is no “scientific consensus” that global warming will cause damaging
climate change. Claims that there is mischaracterize the scientific research of
bodies like the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) and the U.S. National Academy of Sciences (NAS).
• Scientists do agree that: (1) global average temperature is about 0.6°Celsius—or
just over 1°Fahrenheit—higher than it was a century ago; (2) atmospheric levels
of carbon dioxide (CO2) have risen by about 30 percent over past 200 years; and
(3) carbon dioxide, like water vapor, is a greenhouse gas whose increase is likely
to warm the Earth’s atmosphere.1
• Scientists do not agree on whether: (1) we know enough to ascribe past
temperature changes to carbon dioxide levels; (2) we have enough data to
confidently predict future temperature levels; and (3) at what level temperature
change might be more damaging than beneficial to life on Earth.
• The NAS reported in 2001 that, “Because of the large and still uncertain level of
natural variability inherent in the climate record and the uncertainties in the time
histories of the various forcing agents…a causal linkage between the buildup of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and the observed climate changes during the
20th century cannot be unequivocally established.” It also noted that 20 years’
worth of data is not long enough to estimate long-term trends. 2
• The temperature rise of 0.6°C over the last century is at the bottom end of what
climate models suggest should have happened. This suggests that either the
climate is less sensitive to greenhouse gases than previously thought or that some
unknown factor is depressing the temperature.3
• Predictions of 6°C temperature rises over the next 100 years are at the extreme
end of the IPCC range, and are the result of faulty economic modeling, not
science (see economics section below).
• Both James Hansen of NASA (the father of greenhouse theory) and Richard
Lindzen of MIT (the most renowned climatologist in the world) agree that, even if
nothing is done to restrict greenhouse gases, the world will only see a global
temperature increase of about 1°C in the next 50-100 years. Hansen and his
colleagues “predict additional warming in the next 50 years of 0.5 ± 0.2°C, a
warming rate of 0.1 ± 0.04°C per decade.”4
• Evidence from satellite and weather balloon soundings suggests that the
atmosphere has warmed considerably less than greenhouse theory suggests.5
There is a disparity between the surface temperature measurements, which cover
only a small fraction of the Earth but show sustained warming, and these
measurements, which cover the whole atmosphere and show only a very slight
warming.
• The NAS has confirmed this disparity as real.6 Recent studies analyzing data
from the lower atmosphere suggest that temperature anomalies fall by altitude
when greenhouse theory suggests they should rise.7
• New research also suggests that the role of greenhouse gases in warming has been
overestimated, as factors like atmospheric soot,8 land use change,9 and solar
variation10 all appear to have played significant parts in recent warming.
Specific Scare Stories
• Europe is not in danger of plunging into a new Ice Age. While research does
suggest that the Gulf Stream has switched on and off in the past, oceanographers
are convinced that global warming does not present any such danger.11
• The world is not in severe danger from sea level rise. Research from Nils-Axel
Mörner of Stockholm University demonstrates that current sea levels are within
the range of sea level oscillation over the past 300 years, while the satellite data
show virtually no rise over the past decade.12 The IPCC foresees sea-level rise of
between 0.1 and 0.9m by 2100. The Earth experienced a sea-level rise of 0.2m
over the past century with no noticeable ill effects.
• Recent extreme weather events have no provable link to global warming. In fact,
research by German scientists has demonstrated that the devastating floods in
central Europe in 2002 were perfectly normal when compared against the
historical record.13 Allegations that extreme weather has been more damaging
recently do not take into account the fact that mankind is now living and investing
resources in more dangerous areas. The World Meteorological Organization has
acknowledged that increases in the recorded number of extreme weather events
may well be due to better observation and reporting.14 A top expert from the
IPCC resigned in January 2005 in protest that IPCC science was being
misrepresented by claims that last year’s hurricane season was exacerbated by
global warming.
• Climate is not a significant factor in the recent growth of vector-borne diseases
such as malaria. Most experts on this subject agree that other factors are much
more important in predicting future spread of these diseases.15
• The Pentagon is not convinced that global warming represents a major security
threat to the United States. The “secret paper” that garnered much publicity in
Europe was a self-admitted speculative exercise that went beyond the bounds of
measured research and had been released to the press long before the
sensationalist stories surfaced in Europe. Nor did the paper recommend
“immediate action” beyond better climate modeling.16
• The news that Oxford University has found that temperatures may increase by up
to 11°C severely misrepresents the scientific findings. According to the actual
scientific paper,17 the frequency distribution of the results suggests that the lower
end of temperature rises, in the 2°C to 4°C range, is the most likely.
• Claims that the scientific consensus is represented by a statement drafted by the
Royal Society of London and signed by the national scientific academies of the
G8 countries plus India, Brazil and China ignore the politicized nature of the
statement. The climate change committee of the Russian Academy of Sciences
says its president should not have signed the statement, while the use to which it
was put was condemned by the outgoing president of the U.S. National Academy
of Sciences, Bruce Alberts, who called the Royal Society’s presentation of the
statement “quite misleading.”18
Summary
There is scientific agreement that the world has warmed and that man is at least partly
responsible for the warming—though there is no consensus on the precise extent of
man’s effect on the climate. There is ongoing scientific debate over the parameters
used by the computer models that project future climatic conditions. We cannot be
certain whether the world will warm significantly and we do not know how
damaging—if at all—even significant warming will be.
2. The Economics
• Predictions of global warming catastrophe are based on models that rely on
economics as much as on science. If the science of greenhouse theory is right,
then we can only assess its consequences by estimating future production of
greenhouse gases from estimates of economic activity.
• The economic modeling by the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
(IPCC) is badly flawed (The Economist called it “dangerously incompetent”),
relying on economic forecasts that show much faster growth rates for developing
countries than is justified.19 The IPCC economic scenarios show significantly
greater economic development globally than other recognized, comparable
scenarios.
• The Kyoto Protocol, most observers agree, will have virtually no effect on
temperature increase, as it imposes no restrictions on greenhouse gas emissions
upon major developing nations like China and India. These nations have publicly
refused to accept any restrictions now or in the future.20
• Greenhouse gas emissions derive from energy use which in turn derives from
economic growth. Therefore, nations that restrict emissions are almost certain to
reduce their rate of economic growth.
• European models of the effect of greenhouse gas emission restrictions (such as
PRIMES) are sectoral models that look at the effects on only one economic sector
and therefore badly underestimate the negative effects of emission restrictions on
other economic sectors. General equilibrium models, which take into account the
effects of emissions restrictions on other economic sectors, show much greater
negative economic effects than sectoral models.21
• Recent research from general equilibrium models suggests strongly negative
impacts on European economies from adopting Kyoto targets (or going beyond
the targets, as in the case of the United Kingdom). One model shows the
economic effects by 2010 of adopting Kyoto targets as follows (remember that the
Protocol achieves virtually nothing in reducing global temperature):22
Germany -5.2% GDP -1,800,000 jobs
Spain -5.0% GDP -1,000,000 jobs
United Kingdom -4.5% GDP -1,000,000 jobs
Netherlands -3.8% GDP -240,000 jobs
• Kyoto targets are unrealistic. Regardless of announced targets, 11 of the 15 preenlargement
EU countries are on course to increase their greenhouse gas
emissions well beyond their individual Kyoto targets.23
Specific Economic Issues
• It is not the case that President Bush has unilaterally held up ratification of the
Kyoto treaty. The United States Senate must ratify any treaty signed by a
President. In 1997, during Bill Clinton’s presidency, the Senate (including recent
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry) voted 95-0 not to accept any
Kyoto-style treaty that would significantly harm the U. S. economy and did not
include participation by major developing countries.24 The U.S. President has no
power to impose Kyoto, or any other treaty, on an unwilling Senate.25
• Russia agreed to ratify the Kyoto Protocol only after being pressured by the
European Union, which held out the prospect of endorsing Russia’s entry into the
World Trade Organization. Both the Russian Academy of Sciences and several
Duma committees reported that Kyoto has no scientific substantiation and may
harm Russia’s economy.
• The charge that global warming is worse than terrorism in terms of damage to the
world is hyperbole. The implausible and unsubstantiable claim of many deaths
each year—the figure is often put at 150,000—owing to global warming ignores
the fact that most of those alleged deaths are due to diseases such as malaria,
which have historically existed even in cold climates and could easily be
controlled if the environmental lobby dropped its opposition to the use of DDT.26
Moreover, that number is itself dwarfed by the number killed by poverty, which
will be increased if the world decides to suppress the use of energy.
• Alternative sources of energy such as renewables are not yet cost-effective and
come with environmental costs of their own (the veteran British environmentalist
David Bellamy is leading opposition to wind farms).27 The only currently costeffective
alternative to fossil fuel use is nuclear power, which environmental
activists continue to oppose in direct contradiction to their assertions that global
warming is the gravest danger the planet faces.
• “Cap and Trade” schemes that allow firms and governments to trade the right to
emit greenhouse gases up to certain limits are not economically efficient. By
creating rent-seeking opportunities, they promote the development of a carbon
cartel seeking to exploit the system to make profits. A simple carbon tax would
be much more economically efficient, although likely to prove unattractive to
voters in democracies.28
Summary
Europe and the world face severe economic consequences from currently proposed
strategies to deal with global warming. These approaches will produce job losses and
consume scarce resources that could be better spent on handling other world problems
such as AIDS or access to water.29 The economic consequences of global warming
mitigation strategies currently proposed will probably be worse than the effects of global
warming itself. Therefore, adaptive and resiliency strategies should be considered as a
more cost-effective alternative. In addition, “no regrets” strategies that will provide
benefits from greater economic growth whether global warming proves to be a problem
or not should be adopted at once.30
Notes
1 Professor Richard Lindzen, testimony to the United States Senate, May 1, 2001.
2 Committee on the Science of Climate Change [Cicerone et al.], Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, National Research Council, Washington D.C., 2001.
3 See testimony of Prof. Richard Lindzen to UK House of Lords Committee on Economic Affairs, January
21, 2005. Available at http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld/lduncorr/econ2501p.pdf.
4 Sun, S., and J.E. Hansen 2003. Climate simulations for 1951-2050 with a coupled atmosphere-ocean model. J. Climate 16, 2807-2826.
5 Christy, J.R., and R.W. Spencer, Global Temperature Report: April 2003, UAH Earth System Science Center, May 9, 2003, Vol. 12, No. 12.
6 Panel on Reconciling Temperature Observations, Reconciling Observations of Global Temperature Change, National Research Council, Washington DC, 2000.
7 Douglass et al. 2004. “Altitude Dependence of Atmospheric Temperature Trends: Climate Models versus Observation,” Geophysical Research Letters, Vol.31, L13208.
8 Sato, M. et al., 2003: “Global Atmospheric Black Carbon inferred from AERONET,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol. 100, no. 11: 6319-6324.
9 Pielke et al. 2002, “The Influence of Land-use Change and Landscape Dynamics on the Climate System: Relevance to Climate-change Policy beyond the Radiative Effect of Greenhouse Gases,” Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. A (2002) 360, 1705-1719.
10 Friis-Christensen, E. & Lassen, K. 1991. “Length of the Solar Cycle: An Indicator of Solar Activity Closely Associated with Climate,” Science 254, 698-700; Thejil, P. and Lassen, K. 1999, SolarFforcing of the Northern Hemisphere Land AirTtemperature: New Data, DMI-report #99-9, Danish Meteorological Institute, Copenhagen 1999.
11 Weaver, A.J., and Hillaire-Marcel, C. 2004, “Global Warming and the Next Ice Age,” Science, Vol 304, Issue 5669, 400-402; Wunsch, C. 2004, “Gulf Stream Safe if Wind Blows and Earth turns,” Nature 428, 601.
12 Mörner, N.-A. 2003. “Estimating Future Sea Level Changes from Past Records,” Global and Planetary Change 40: 49-54.
13 Mudelsee, M., et al., 2003. No upward trends in the occurrence of extreme floods in central Europe. Nature, 425, 166-169.
14 The Director of the World Climate Program for the WMO, Ken Davidson, replied to a questioner in Geneva in 2003, “You are correct that the scientific evidence (statistical and empirical) are (sic) not present to conclusively state that the number of events have (sic) increased. However, the number of extreme events that are being reported and are truly extreme events has increased both through the meteorological services and through the aid agencies as well as through the disaster reporting agencies and corporations. So, this could be because of improved monitoring and reporting,” quoted at
http://www.john-daly.com/press/press-03b.htm .
15 Reiter, P. et al, “Global Warming and Malaria, A Call for Accuracy,” Lancet Infectious Diseases 2004 Jun; 4(6):323-4.
16 Schwartz, P. and Randall, 2003, An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security, paper submitted to Pentagon October 2003. Available at
http://www.ems.org/climate/pentagon_climate_change.html#report.
17 Stainforth, D. et al., “Uncertainty in predictions of the climate response to rising levels of greenhouse gases,” Nature, 433, 403-406.
18 Sam Knight, “Anti-Bush gibe by Royal Society sparks climate change row,” Times Online, July 5, 2005, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22649-1681145,00.html
19 Ian Castles, “Greenhouse Emissions Calculations Quite Wrong,” Canberra Times, August 29, 2002, available in Castles, I. & Henderson, D. 2003: “The IPCC Emission Scenarios: An Economic-Statistical Critique,” Energy & Environment, Nos. 2 & 3: 166-168.
20 Cooler Heads Newsletter, Nov. 12, 2003. See http://www.globalwarming.org/article.php?uid=233.
21 Canes, M., Economic Modeling of Climate Change Policy, International Council for Capital Formation, October 2002.
22 Thorning, M., Kyoto Protocol and Beyond: Economic Impacts on EU Countries, International Council for Capital Formation, October 2002.
23 Press Release, EU15 greenhouse gas emissions decline after two years of increases, European Environment Agency, 15 July 2004.
24 S.98 Expressing the sense of the Senate regarding the conditions for the United States becoming a signatory to any international agreement on greenhouse gas emissions under the United Nations, 1997.
25 U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 2, Clause 2.
26 Reiter et al.
27 Schleede, G. 2004, Facing up to the True Costs and Benefits of Wind Energy, paper presented to he owners and members of Associated Electric Cooperative, Inc., at the 2004 Annual Meeting in St. Louis, Missouri. Available at http://www.globalwarming.org/aecifa.pdf.
28 McKitrick, R. 2001, What’s Wrong With Regulating Carbon Dioxide Emissions?, Briefing at the United States Congress, October 11, 2001. Available at http://www.cei.org/gencon/014,02191.cfm.
29 See the work of the Copenhagen Consensus: http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com.
30 See, for example, Adler et al., Greenhouse Policy Without Regrets; A Free Market Approach to the Uncertain Risks of Climate Change, Competitive Enterprise Institute, 2000.
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Posted: 11/4/2006 10:46:20 PM | Everything cited is at least 2 years old???
The Competitive Enterprise Institute is funded by Tabbaco and Exxon.
They also seem to be full of crap. I liked the postion of pro-chew for your health. I would have my cousin read it except he died from lip and throat cancer. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 10:58:21 PM | thanks murls for proving my point on how the buy "science" onion that is not a scientific opinion. many of has disproved this report on POF before. you didn't look at your source for bias did you?
more Bush Science: ExxonMobil
"Exxon's Cash Pipeline to CEI
Exxonsecrets.org lists Exxon's funding of CEI, based on data released by the company itself, as totalling $2,005,000 since 1998. [36] The specific year-by-year figures are:
1998: $85,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving
2000: $230,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
2001: $280,000 ExxonMobil Foundation
2002: $205,000 ExxonMobil Foundation: This was identified as being for "50K congressional briefing program, 140K general operating support, 60K legal activities";
2002: $200,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving' This was identified as "140K general operating support, 60K for legal activities;"
2003: $25,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving for "Annual Dinner"
2003: $440,000 ExxonMobil Foundation for "General Operating Support";
2004: $90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation for "General Operating Support"
2004: $90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation for "Global Climate Change"
2004: $90000 ExxonMobil Foundation for "Global Climate Change Outreach"
2005: $90,000 ExxonMobil Foundation for "General Operating Support"
2005: $180,000 ExxonMobil Corporate Giving for "General Operating Support" (www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=CEI) | |
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Posted: 11/4/2006 11:06:46 PM | Hey, all:
Yes, Bob0, the report you refer to was obsolete the first time it was trotted out here. Isn't it interesting how ignorance is perennial? The cast can change but the common theme is, well, common.
This is another piece of crap obstructionism that has been thrown out in other threads here: these groups are mouthpieces of the conservative, corporate oligarchy and are funded by the oil and coal mining companies. Millions of dollars are spent keeping up this smoke screen, while the fossil fuels industries make billions--a good investment. And furthermore, it is less about economics than it is about blindness paraded as science.
To the person who put up this nonsense: good try; come again.
The thread is about the economic impacts of anthropogenic climate change. Messages should reflect that.
David
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Posted: 11/5/2006 2:50:38 AM | | Buck - if you think my post supports your position - you are sadly mistake. First, you did not read it clearly adn you must have only read those portions that interest you. Second, the monitary figures you post do not rise to the level of the fat on the pork that senators bring back to their constituency. And without doubt pales in comparison to contributions of and by George Soros, and the efforts of Al "The Phony" Gore. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2006 9:44:10 PM | "Y2K comes to mind when people have such a doomsday outlook ...as in the earth is burning up!.. must do something fast!!"
What a stunningly ignorant statement! It occurs to me that if we could harness the power of ignorance, our energy problems would be solved...a million times over. Still, in a strange sort of way, one almost has to admire some people's abilities to hold onto outmoded and obviously misguided ideas in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. A triumph (of sorts) of ignorance over fact. Uber-ostrich, maybe? More likely, just a plain old, garden-variety TROLL.
Yet another mildy amusing, but poorly informed, time-waster. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2006 8:31:14 AM | BBC News Service has put up an interesting moderating viewpoint of climate change and the damage caused by alarmist rhetoric.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6115644.stm
It doesn't say that climate change isn't a big issue, it argues persuasively that 'catastrophic' language may have unwonted negative effects on efforts to promote positive countermeasures and control initiatives. | |
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