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Posted: 11/23/2007 9:45:24 AM | Is this thread still going?? Wow
I understand the notion of mutating strains and I know shots provide limited protection to specific strains. The information in you second paragraph is why the 20-40 had little protection; they weren’t “lucky” enough to have had exposure to a similar strain years before. The flu shot is this exposure.
No... You've left out that the protection from flu shots declines fast and is only good for about six months, so they count practically nothing for "previous exposure" - unlike the antibodies you'd get from being exposed the normal way.
I see no reason to change my mind: if there's some particular reason why you need to avoid getting the flu (ie it would kill you or somebody you know) then a flu shot is probably a good idea. Otherwise, in the long run doing without them looks like a better bet. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 10:24:43 PM | | If vaccinations don't work, how can you explain the fact that in most developed nations there are few, if any incidences of polio, when before people were vaccinated it was quite common? | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 4:39:33 AM | I get them, my work pays for them.
Flu Vaccinations are hit or miss due to the quick mutation, but it's better than nothing.
Also people shouldn't use an air farce link (on the first page) to back up their claims, it's a comedy show.
No... You've left out that the protection from flu shots declines fast and is only good for about six months, so they count practically nothing for "previous exposure" - unlike the antibodies you'd get from being exposed the normal way.
I've never heard of this, got a citation from a reputable medical journal? | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 12:03:10 PM | I've never heard of this, got a citation from a reputable medical journal?
Ok.
R. J. Cox, K. A. Brokstad, P. Ogra (2004)
Influenza Virus: Immunity and Vaccination Strategies. Comparison of the Immune Response to Inactivated and Live, Attenuated Influenza Vaccines
Scandinavian Journal of Immunology 59 (1), 1–15.
doi:10.1111/j.0300-9475.2004.01382.x
Link here:
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.0300-9475.2004.01382.x?cookieSet=1
I'll quote a couple particularly relevant bits. First, on the subject of how long vaccines last:
The antibody response peaks 2–3 weeks postvaccination in primed subjects [36, 73, 74], and then wanes over time and is generally twofold lower by 6 months' postvaccination [18]
CAVs induce nasal-wash antibodies, particularly IgA, which peak 2–11 weeks postvaccination and generally gradually declines by 6 months [23]
(The two quotes are from sections referring to the two different kinds of vaccine available).
Understand that protection doesn't simply disappear but declines with time, so "six months" is a summary estimate. The point is you can't even count on protection from one year lasting to the next year, let alone building up with time.
On the subject of natural immunity:
Natural infection may lead to long-lasting immunity to the infecting virus, as demonstrated by the reappearance of the influenza A H1N1 subtype in 1977, when only subjects under the age of 20 years became infected [24].
Whether you get your immunity from the flu shot or naturally, there will still be lots of flu strains you're not immune to, so you're by no means safe from bird flu no matter what you do. However, there is >some< chance of you being immune or resistant to it if you have natural antibodies from another strain of flu, and basically no chance from any shot you had longer than some number of months ago.
My understanding is that this is true of pretty much all immunization (that natural antibodies last longer than artificial), so it shouldn't be surprising that it's true of flu too. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 1:00:43 AM | I believe in the flu shot..it does make a difference to me....I cannot answer for anyone else.....I did just get mine 1 week ago...
Lets face it....if people were cleaner in handwashing...it would help alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and no lieing many people if they use a toliet do not wash with soap...If people did that germs would be cut down...
I have seen many "hot looking chickies" not once touch soap in the bathrooms...they then walk out of the public bathroom to your table to finish that nice dinner with you... you kiss and hold her hand....LOL..
GUYS SMELL HER HAND'S....OVER HALF DO NOT WASH....WELCOME TO JERRY SIENFEILD....parden my spelling....lol
Last year I did not get the shot...sure enough I was i'll for over 7 weeks....in the winter I see all the sick ones comming in and the body can only resist so much..no matter what you do....you cannot run from someone who sneezes into the air | |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 11:45:46 AM | | I have gotten them some years and missed them others and ,,i say ,,who needs the flu,get the shots ,,they work | |
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Posted: 2/11/2009 7:08:47 PM |
I would rather put my energy into building/strengthening my immune system with herbs and thoughtful nutrition.
Well it's not like you really have to put that much energy into getting a flu shot. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2009 9:05:26 PM | Never had one, and have had the flu once since they came out.
Then again my doctor has said my family history shows a strong allergic reaction to some of the ingredients. When they come out w/ a common cold shot, maybe I will get one of those, but again I don't catch those often either. | |
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Posted: 2/13/2009 8:52:01 AM | I just got one last weekend even though I already had the flu this season. Kind of a moot point but hey it was free and mandatory anyway.
And I wish they made a common cold shot. But there are over 300 different types of viruses that cause the common cold. So its pretty hard to make a vaccine for one. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2009 5:39:33 AM | | Debating whether to get one: do they make you ill afterwards? I've been jabbed for alot of things, as I go abroad alot. The only shot which made me a bit squiffy, just tired, was Yellow Fever, apparently it's a "live" vaccine. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2009 9:44:55 AM |
Lets face it....if people were cleaner in handwashing...it would help alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wash my hands at least 20 times a day :P
I only had the flu 2 or 3 times in my life. Once I got it real bad and I went down hill skiing with my father and uncle. It was almost gone the next day and the day after it was completely gone.
I never ever had the flu shot, never want it I don't need it. I used to eat fermented spicy cabbage to prevent flu and colds | |
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Posted: 2/16/2009 2:37:45 AM | | health care worker, so I get it yearly & its covered by insurance. Rarely get sick, was for 6 wks this yr with laryngitis... but not the flu | |
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Posted: 2/16/2009 10:17:12 AM | | I don't and I rarely ever get sick. I wash my hands, eat healthy and avoid body contact if I think somneone might be sick. But think about it. Flu shot clinics and Doctors offices, who goes there? Sick People and other sick people, imagine the germs and virusues there? No wonder the flu shot doesn't always work. | |
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Posted: 2/16/2009 8:20:12 PM | I got flu shots two years in a row and both times I got extremely sick to the point I almost thought I was going to die.
I will not take anymore flu shots and I will probably not take anymore vaccines period. | |
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Posted: 2/17/2009 12:51:32 AM | If vaccinations don't work, how can you explain the fact that in most developed nations there are few, if any incidences of polio, when before people were vaccinated it was quite common?
Better living conditions. Plumbing, being able to wash your hands pretty much anywhere you go and we have cleaner living conditions.
Btw if you're allergic to eggs you can not get the flu shot you'll get a bad reaction. | |
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Posted: 2/17/2009 3:57:28 AM | Better living conditions. Plumbing, being able to wash your hands pretty much anywhere you go and we have cleaner living conditions.
If that was true people in the truely poor areas of the first world would still suffer from Polio, they do not.
Also, smallpox doesn't exist in even the third world, please explain to me how this is true without vaccinations?
I will not take anymore flu shots and I will probably not take anymore vaccines period.
I would strongly suggest never traveling anywhere. Hep A/B, Tetnus, and Typhoid are not things to screw with. | |
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Posted: 2/17/2009 8:08:22 AM |
If that was true people in the truely poor areas of the first world would still suffer from Polio, they do not.
Also, smallpox doesn't exist in even the third world, please explain to me how this is true without vaccinations?
First of all you spelled truly wrong. Most disease is transmitted by contact, some can be if someone sneezes or share drinks. Rich or proof people tend to wash their hands more than way back then. Look at hospitals with infectious diseases. It is recommended everyone wash their hands before entering a room. It just cuts the chances of spreading diseases. Poor people still have plumbing. It is known fact that rich people are sick far less than poor people.
I don't know the answer to the smallpox. Perhaps it has to do with the environment.
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Posted: 5/10/2009 10:56:18 PM | | I work in Health Care. Changed jobs 3 years ago, where a flu shot is mandatory. i took the first shot, was sick for 2 weeks. Seems if I have a Dr's note I can get out of it. So, I ask him to write me an excuse. HE WONT DO IT. Take it the next year and I'm achy a couple of days. This past year nothing. I havent been sick all winter, and I smoke, so Im more suspectible. | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 2:19:18 AM | Rich or proof people tend to wash their hands more than way back then. Look at hospitals with infectious diseases. It is recommended everyone wash their hands before entering a room. It just cuts the chances of spreading diseases. Poor people still have plumbing. ]
I work in health care & can tell you that a lot of people STILL dont wash their hands! No wonder we have so many infectious diseases. Also docs gave way too many antibiotics yrs ago for everything.. now we have drug resistant diseases & you are really sick when you get these. Hits those with poor immune systems harder. Now Grandma can be colonized with ORSA/VRE for at least 1 yr if not longer.
as far as poor people having plumbing- many places in this world still do not have running water, you need soap, you need education on its importance, you need a sanitation system that works | |
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Posted: 5/11/2009 5:00:39 AM | | hi... no to flu shots for 25 yrs.... are they really getting rid of diseases, seems more like they are renaming them..... blessings for health, warmly Mona | |
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