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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 12:18:42 PM | | Arellano was in this country 10 years and can't speak english. I'm glad she got deported. Anybody here in this country illegally for that long that doesn't even bother to learn english, does not deserve any type of amnesty. Make no mistake, the majority of Mexican immigrants could care less about becoming legal citizens. They just want the "status", so they can take advantage of our social systems and better wages. They take,take,take, but give nothing in return. We need to crack down on this, and the time is now. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 1:16:16 PM | so they can take advantage of our social systems and better wages. They take,take,take,......We need to crack down on this, and the time is now.
So then why not go after the really Big Buck$ rather then the powerless little guy?
Corporate welfare-the enormous and myriad subsidies, bailouts, giveaways, tax loopholes, debt revocations, loan guarantees, discounted insurance and other benefits conferred by government on business-is a function of political corruption. Corporate welfare programs siphon funds from appropriate public investments, subsidize companies ripping minerals from federal lands, enable pharmaceutical companies to gouge consumers, perpetuate anti-competitive oligopolistic markets, injure our national security, and weaken our democracy.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Nader/CutCorpWelfare_Nader.html | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 1:50:27 PM | It's not a witch hunt. They are here illegaly. Why can't they be stopped from invading?
Our prisons are full of Illegals.
Drug trafficking. Rape. Murder. Robbery.
Do we really want illegals in America?
I say give them 2 weeks to go home and if not round them up and put them in a camp with nothing but bread and water until they leave.
And Congress needs to repeal the born here citizen deal.
Also, no social services or medical for them. Any Hospital that admits one of them should be shut down. I pay too much for my Health Insurance in order to supplement illegals.
Simple answer. Get rid of them. Shut down every business that employs them starting with Nancy Pelosi and her 1 employee wine factory. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 1:51:51 PM | I agree with you Serenity, We have to teach children love and compassion , not
derogatory names or how to hate people who are different.
As to the person who stated basically that you have to fight for your land, the Native
Americans were first here. I do have a problem with just going in and taking and
conquering. If that is your philosophy, why not give urban gang members Carte
Blanche to just take what they want? -- tv, car, your shoes, your purse? No
difference. We call it civilization for a reason.
I'm not sure what the answer is to illegal aliens. I think it should be easier to acquire
citizenship, so that at least they are paying IN to the system and not just drawing
from it. As to how the government will seek out, identify, and bring to task all the
illegals, --- I believe it's an impossible goal. And all the fences in the world aren't
going to keep anyone out...SO,,, we DO need a way to start making everyone pay into
the system. I don't know how we would do that , though, without violating human
rights. It won't be long , as someone said, before all of us will need an international
or at least a North American identity card. That may be unavoidable. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 1:56:01 PM | "Trewg.."So then why not go after the really Big Buck$ rather then the powerless little guy?"
You are aware that at this big three nation summit just held in your country, by the three heads of countries...Canada, USA and Mexico....one item of discussion was Mexican workers coming to Canada TO TAKE THE JOBS CANADIANS DON'T WANT TO DO.....
Like work in your northern oil fields.... take truck driving jobs, service jobs, agri jobs and jobs in your fishing industry.
I wonder what YOUR little guys are going to be saying....when Mexicans bring their illegal relatives to join them , shove out the Canadian workers and the wages start dropping. The more jobs your ...BIG BUSINESS'S can incorporate Mexican workers into.....the lower they can drop the wages. Surplus of workers, but illegals don't complain.....that's what they like about them.... | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 2:31:25 PM | musicianfriend, a little confused. are you saying you are a farm worker who cannot find work? because your profile says you are in financial services and a musician. not being facetious, just confused. my original post terminology was lifted from all the news headlines that were occuring at the time of hazelton's original strategy. since you appear to have been doing your reading, you will also read that my major concern, alhtough not the major concern of those responding, was the legal precedent set by monitoring where everyone lived, ie. "big brother" or a wolf in the guise of a lamb. my point regarding my european acquaintances was that they were coming and taking the higher level positions here and finding ways to avoid taxes by being subcontractors. more on that below.
usa areas differ greatly in experience. i have had "great" difficulty finding a qualified personal assistant (due to my disablity with lymes disease), offering $15 per hour. my beautician cannot find a baby sitter. handymen are difficult to find and often don't even show up when they are scheduled. many jobs here come and go with the college students leaving for the summer. many of the "middle class" kids thumb their noses at many jobs that are available. similar to what fred says, their parents buy them cars they don't even have to earn. our local safeway had to "import" labor from several towns away to staff the store in the summertime and in evenings and off hours. sorry, but many of the younger people are mexican, whose parents came here from mexico and are working menial jobs, so they cannot thumb their noses "yet". a good part of this comes from parents who want their kids to have an easier life than they had. they are not thinking that their kids need to be prepared for a very different future.
what i described above does not pertain to all areas. it does apply to a good number of middle income areas. the reason there are many lower income people living here is that they bought their houses thirty years ago for a song. the way taxes work here they pay very little taxes. taxes are based on the purchase price of your home. so all us new buyers are eating that load and there is insufficent income to support public schools. the middle income people are sending their kids to private schools or the parents have the time to sponsor what is called alternative (creative) public schools. over time, these people will sell their homes if necessary and make a greater profit than those of us struggling to pay high mortgages and taking in boarders. over time, w/o the hi tech economy the housing prices will go down. those of us who bought more recently will be screwed, without focusing on the rest of the "village".
so, that's the reason why those w/o the goody two shoes mentality will need to address this issue. even if you stopped "illegal" immigration today, which i seriously doubt, we have to address what is in front of our noses. any comforting thoughts? yes, we could be dying from AIDS in africa or living in iraq. it's all relative. for those of us raised in the 50's and with the zeal of the 60's, our bubbles are popped. so, we let it consume us or we try to clear our heads and do what has been put before us. whatever that is for each individual. one minute bush is wanting more immigration, now he's chasing mexicans out of the country! give me a break.
my daughter had to get "the prize" by yergin for senior hs history class. it's a book, all about oil. several inches thick. i plan to read it. i am told it explains a lot.
fred, i really wish you would start a thread about africa. my friend just came back from there living with a tribe that had no sanitary toilets. she's a school administrator and in between helping with teaching policies, she helped build latrines with covers and doors to ward off flies and disease. they only need a small amount in our eyes for each project. forget the tv, we are talking toilets!
i would agree that, in total, america and mexico are both way better off than africa "in total" . however, sweetie is right, there are some horrific places tucked here and there in the usa and fred you are right that middle class "definitions" have certainly changed. my definition is more going towards third world: the rich and the poor with very disparate ranges and a narrowing "middle". in addition, the concept of class has changed with the rich no longer being the intellectual elite or birthright property owners, but now also including the illicit drug and trade peddlars. so to push that concept a few more steps, we have the illusory pillars of our society (both left and right winged) in bed with the gangsters, thieves and drug lords. history already speaks to that when seeing who our usa leaders have "backed" in the past.
sweetie, you have hit it on the nose in my opinion. my parents had no electricity when they were young. my first computer access was to a mainframe taking up a very large room in a university, which had even less "capacity" than today's laptop! do you think my grandfather would believe it if i told him there would be people walking on the moon? we are all in the midst of very serious and wrenching changes. all things have their pluses and their minuses. those of us who are older and in an established "way of life" will either be overwrought by the changes or perhaps not be living to see them. we each need to pick and choose not only where our internet thread materials will focus, but also where our actions will focus.
for me on a personal level, i just try to influence my children's exposure to future survival skills. they will all be spanish speaking very soon, as well as consider welcoming foreign students and exploring that option for themselves as well. when i am finished helping them and if still standing, i will help other foster kids or local gang kids, if i am able.
i never thought about it before, when i tried to help "other people's children" , but recently having read a local demographic article about California's population projections, it made it very clear about our future. if we don't educate and train our "replacements", half of whom are expected to be spanish speaking or first generation in the future, our personal surroundings will be affected. not only will our social security flop, but industry will move elsewhere even faster because of insufficient skilled labor . maybe more outsiders will come here to work and live for the "weather", however the numbers are way too insufficient if you were to project current educational levels.
if we cannot maintain the status quo "educationally" and we become poorer and more uneducated, the silicon valley will move elsewhere along with the lower skilled garment industry which moved to get lower wage workers. so now they will move elsewhere for what is called " intellectual capital" ! india? china? we are talking 20-50 years from now people, a lot can happen! our home values will deplete and the assets we rely upon for our future source of revenue will devalue very quickly. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 4:01:27 PM | The title of your topic makes no sense to the point you are trying to make. "Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?"
Do you not understand the law? Just the word illegal automatically sanctions a witchhunt.
Get legal or get out!!!!!!!
And at the end of the day, what irks me the most, is
"Press 1 for English".
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 7:58:45 PM | usa areas differ greatly in experience
I think you hit the nail right on the head Serenity. In my opinion the areas that need a large number of unskilled workers view the illegal alien issue differently than areas that don't have a high demand for unskilled labor. That is why I think a well run, well regulated, guest worker program would be a partial solution to the illegal alien problem.
My one concern would be that we don't allow so many guest workers into the USA that wages are driven down even lower. That's one of the main problems of a large influx of workers into an area, to many workers keep wages down. If the USA becomes flooded with illegal immigrants willing to work for low wages people in many areas of the country will suffer. There are plenty of people in my area that would be delighted to work for the wages Serenity mentioned.
I've also heard on the news and read that there is a shortage of skilled Blue Collar Laborers in the USA, and that in a few years there will be a severe shortage of skilled tradesmen. The blame is being put on the fact that many high schools have cut out their VoTech program. This is a link to a web site if you're interested in what's being said about the shortage of skilled labor. http://www.nutsandboltsfoundation.org/
In my area homes are taxed at the purchase price also, but every so many years they have a tax reassessment , the city sends people around to re evaluate what your house is worth. They just did that last year here. Since my home went up in value since I bought it my taxes will go up. :( lol Now if we have an increase in the tax millage people could be looking at a pretty hefty tax hike.
Serenity you said that part of the problem with having renters register with the city is that you don't like the idea of big brother monitoring where everybody lives. I'm not sure what you mean by that. imho the city already knows or "monitors" everyone who owns property and were they live. The city knows were I live, because I have to pay property taxes, why shouldn't the city know who is living in rented homes and apartments ? The government also monitors were people on parole live, were registared sex offenders live so it's not like monitoring were people live is a novel idea. Big brother knows were the legal citizens are. lol
Speaking of property, we're now having a big problem here in Haz. with rental properties becoming run down,****oaches, rats, garbage stewn all over the properties. It seems some out of town investment company bought up houses and apartment buildings and are just collecting the rent on them while not caring about the condition of the property.
I think part of the reason that rental properties (not just in Haz. but all over ) are sometimes left to run down is that some tenants may be illegal aliens and are afraid to complain about housing conditions to their landlords or to city authorities. I think another part of the problem may be migrant workers who don't care about the condition of the property or the damage they do to the property because they are only living in it for a few weeks. (Some of the larger farms here use migrant workers at certain times of the year ) One lady wrote a letter to the local newspaper about the problems that occurred when a group of male migrant workers moved in next door to her. We'll just say they didn't make good neighbors and leave it at that. Please note I'm not painting all migrant workers with the same brush, I'm simply stating that there has been some problems. That there are many issues that come along with illegal aliens and migrant workers. Some good, some bad.
those of us who are older and in an established "way of life" will either be overwrought by the changes or perhaps not be living to see them. we each need to pick and choose not only where our internet thread materials will focus, but also where our actions will focus.
Older I may be but I certainly don't intend to become overwrought by the changes. lol
I think you're right Serenity, times change, we have to keep an open mind about things, realize that our children's way of life will probably be very different than ours and we have to give them the skills and mindset to live in the future, but I also think we owe it to our children to evaluate the changes that are coming about in the world and make sure that they are for the better.
I somehow don't like the thought of big business and industry having total control over the changes that will occur. People have to be vigilant and informed and keep a check and balance on what's good for business and industry versus what's good for the people because not everything that's good for business is good for the people. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/21/2007 11:11:49 PM | "Serenity you said that part of the problem with having renters register with the city is that you don't like the idea of big brother monitoring where everybody lives. I'm not sure what you mean by that. imho the city already knows or "monitors" everyone who owns property and were they live. The city knows were I live, because I have to pay property taxes, why shouldn't the city know who is living in rented homes and apartments ? "
One reason some may object to having to reg. renters is because an area may be regulated as a one family code and it would be against city ordinance to be renting out rooms or portions of the home to someone not related. Also someone renting out rooms may not be declaring the income, so of course the home owner would not want it public knowledge they have a rental business going. I see no problem with the city knowing who is living where, as you said sweet, they know where you and I are because we have utilities in our name and pay real estate taxes.
Also, in most residential areas, the ordinances for single family housing...means just that and not 2, 3, or four families living under one roof, to save money or 6 to 10 single men all residing in one single dwelling house or apartment. It's just another means to assure city ordinances are adhered to. I have no problem with that either.
Also, people in higher incomes seem to prefer hiring undocumented house hold workers or illegals, lets them get all that help cheaper, not have to pay unemployment taxes, workers comp, social security, but if they own a business, can take a write off on their taxes, as just contract work for their business. Don't kid yourself, its all about the greed....rich people just get richer by having the means to play the system. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/25/2007 1:22:08 AM | a home owner registers property for tax purposes, but might not be living at the address. a corporation may also own the property. up until recently you had some level of freedom in the usa. having travelled to romania in my 30's when it was under communist rule, the need for everyone to register everywhere they lived like in romania at that time, has a scary ring to it for me. there were police everywhere and how you sat with authority depended upon politics and who was in power. today you might be on the right side, tomorrow "not". everywhere you go, you will become traceable. that with the misuse of the police authority under the current administration under the guise of 911, has me worried.
as to many people living in one house, here in frozen 60's hippy dippyville (you will excuse my humor), many people share housing in a communal fashion or take in boarders. with the divorce rate and many of us getting older, we will have our version of the "household" versus the "family" taking over the usa census stats.
the other day, i had a laugh to myself. no one was home and neighbors were away on both sides. my windows were open and i totally blasted ace of space music into the air with my windows up. with all the references to mexican music, i thought... well, you might all not like it, if you were around MY house that day. even my manfriend did not like it. he said the music was "synthetic". as for me, i needed to be uplifted and dance around. so i guess, that's the same for other cultures. do i like other people's music blasting in my ears? NOOOOOOOOOO. but i did wait for the neighbors to not be around. although i called one where she was and put the phone to my CD player for her to hear!
my other neighbor who is mexican american (born here) has a sicilian husband who has his band practice weekly at his house. it doesn't bother anyone and i only heard it the first time the other nite when my window was open and believe me, they have a LOUD and popular band. the point? if you know your neighbors and you get along, you tolerate each other--just like husbands and wives (until you break up!).
hopefully over time, this particular issue will settle. but maybe it won't or yet another will take it's place. we had the first robbery ever in this particular neighborhood, the other day, down the street. i thought to myself, with all the gang activity in the next town, when will we be hit with it all. i don't know. i've lived in NYC in the worst of areas and survived and learned. today, i just do the best i can with balancing my own sanity and lymes disease and responsibilities with what i can offer others. do i complain and am i still pretty fiery? you bet, to both. but still my heart aches. i do fear we are all in for quite a shock over the next fifty years.
as the prayer goes..." the wisdom to know the difference" is struggle for many. so, we do it "one day at a time" . here and there an "aha" moment does occur. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/25/2007 2:17:00 AM | Heh, most of the population of the old U S of A has illegal immigrants as the country does belong to the aboriginals who were slaughtered in vast sums by the "whites" normally from the motherland of the UK, guess that is why the Yanks talk English and not Apache. Give the land back!!! you thieving vernim!! and the those from South America have more right to live in North America at least they are from that continent and not imported Whites!!!! | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 2:17:57 AM | | Well, if you speak English go back to English then!!! | |
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| Your ancestors were illegals too
Posted: 8/25/2007 4:53:31 AM | Not most ALL, unless your great great great w.e. was either "Sitting Bull" Or "Dances with Wolves" you come from a people who were welcomed by the indians, ate thier food (remember thanksgiving) and then to thank them they raped, pillaged, and stole their land, oh wait they were allowed to live on the little bit of land no body wanted, how sweet. ( ate their food and then screwed them, sounds like date rape to me )
If you dont like immigration in your the wrong country buddy, sht have you been to newyork or jersey? its like every few blocks is a different city, you can go in plenty of parts and all the stores/resturants are one specific group.
About this gangs and drugs bs, it really is bs, gangs ill grant your are mostly hispanic/black, in the south their almost all spanish, BUT , these arent illegals, their the children of people who have created a life here, and these children ( who are legal, made in the USA ) join gangs for various reasons.
As for drugs, true, alot of cheap marijuana comes from mexico, but all the good stuff comes from canada/other countries,/ or grown in the go ol USA. But Who cares about Pot right, when we say drugs we mean the real problems coke, herione, etc.
These drugs DONT COME FROM MEXICO, i mean im sure some small amount does, and true they are brought THRU mexico, but that isnt mexico's FAULT, drug dealers would bring it thru CANADA and already do. Which border did the terrorists come thru, ok then.
about them being lazy good for nothing this goes against the main arguement that they are "taking our jobs". Look if some guy that never went to school past 10 cannot read, write, english, and barely can mumble sentences ( if they are lucky ) can take someones job who has gotten a full education (free btw), and speaks english as their only language.
If that guy can take your job, your either lazy, stupid, or both. And to be honest we dont need you.
And about our education system going down the drain etc. or our "tax dollars". First our education system sucks because of our local/state/federal government. IT is not a coincidence that schools in nicer neighborhoods always have funding for new computers and new books, while poor areas have old out of date books and poor equipment, at times not even that.
And about your tax dollars, Um i pay taxes, my father pays taxes (business owner), but its not that these people DONT want to pay taxes, IF you offered them some sort of, program allows them to pay taxes ( not sayin making them legal or give them visa's im saying just since their here already ) if they had a way to pay taxes, and were offered a better wage because of it then they would
THESE people dont work for min wage ( at times bellow ) because they want to, They arent saving thousands, they GET SCREWED by companies that want cheap labor, or individuals that want away to save money on labor.
Your real problem is with "big biznes" in america, and in the end your real problem is with the governement for not only knowing, but allowing them to do this.
These people come and do the worst jobs for the worst pay, they pick your fruit, they babysit your kids, they mow your lawn and build your homes, for miserable salary, they get treated like sh-t by everyone, even worse by their employeers.
And as acountry you want to crap on them? Ok you go pick fruit for 3 $ an hour or work construction for min wage, then tell me you are will to do that for the rest of your life.
In closing these people may not be slaves, but their as cheap as we can get, and to crap on them for being better then people who are given free all the things we are in america is wrong.
What about the rednecks that have 20 kids in a trailer collecting food stamps, or people who live in projects ( section-8 housing ) that basically pay anywhere from 50-200 $ a month on rent that should cost them 4 times more and also collect governements checks. These people are lazy, bleeding the system dry, and before we get rid of hard working people that want to be here, and do it happily, why not get rid of them? | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/25/2007 10:50:53 PM |
What about the rednecks that have 20 kids in a trailer collecting food stamps, or people who live in projects ( section-8 housing ) that basically pay anywhere from 50-200 $ a month on rent that should cost them 4 times more and also collect governements checks. These people are lazy, bleeding the system dry, and before we get rid of hard working people that want to be here, and do it happily, why not get rid of them?
First name calling is not needed. Second, we get rid of them because they do not belong in this country. If they were not here Americans would have more jobs with better wages. Our wounded soldiers and veterans would have better health care and our social system would be taking care of our children and the elderly, but because of foreign illegals our tax money is being spent on illegals. So you think these 20 (?) little AMERICAN children should go hungry and be put out on the street because their parents don't make enough money to support them? Yet it is okay for an illegal to drain our social system dry, and take a lot of jobs Americans could do. People with children getting food stamps and living in assisted living (section 8) housing
are on low income and have to have help. Some are laid off from jobs, some are disabled. Yes, there are always a few people who don't work, but there are a lot of hard working men and women who don't have a job, because there are too many illegal aliens in the country who will work for practically nothing. Have ICE round them all up and send them across the border and let Mexico worry about theirs and other countries worry about theirs. Americans had better start worrying about Americans before the welfare of foreigners. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/25/2007 11:01:06 PM | witchhunts- went after pweople who did not exist
illegal immigrants do exist.
And of course OP your proably say that youd support a minimum wage hike? Which of course allowing tens of millions of immigrants only causes for the standard of living to drop in a country. minimum wages do not fix problems in the long term- they create rises in inflation. and compound problems.
If you stop the flow of illegal immigrants- you make labor more valuable. | |
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Posted: 8/25/2007 11:45:37 PM | About this gangs and drugs bs, it really is bs, gangs ill grant your are mostly Hispanic/black, in the south their almost all spanish, BUT , these arent illegals, their the children of people who have created a life here, and these children ( who are legal, made in the USA ) join gangs for various reasons.
So what you're saying Buds is that it's not illegal aliens but the the children of illegals who are born in the USA who join gangs ? If that is the case that's a very good reason to stop illegal immigration, no illegal immigrants in the USA, no children born to illegal aliens in the USA to grow up and join gangs.
I'm going to be very honest, and it may get me some flack but my main reason for being against illegal immigration is the gangs, the violence that comes along with illegal aliens. Many of the young adult illegal aliens who come to the USA are gang members who come here to foster the spread of their gangs, and as Budsonthebeach stated the USA born children of illegal aliens who seem to be prone to becoming gang members.
I've seen my town turn from a place where violent crime, shootings hardly every occurred, (they were a rarity) to a town were there is a shooting almost every week. It's frigging scarey, and it's making the citizens angry, and sad to see what our town is turning into, me included. These shootings are mainly drug and gang related.
We have gang members M 13 is one frequently mentioned in our local paper, from Jersey and New York coming to our town to "settle the score" with the gang members from these states who have moved to our town. We have illegal aliens who are in trouble with the law in New York or Jersey fleeing to Haz. in order to hide out with friends or relatives who live here. And of course we have the crime and violence caused by the gangs that have established themselves in Haz. It's getting to be like the wild wild west in Haz.
I don't mind paying a bit more in taxes to help educate immigrant children legal or illegal, I don't mind paying a bit more in taxes to provide social services to illegal aliens or legal immigrants, I don't mind offering a helping hand up, but what I do mind, resent, and get furious over is the violence.
More honesty, even though I know it's wrong to blame all illegal aliens for those that do cause the violence it's hard not to. You get to the point were so much violence is going on around you you start to get resentful, angry. Don't bash me, I'm just being brutally honest.
I guess this forum is kind of my diary of the changes that Haz. is working it's way through. Started out with good things coming from an influx of immigrants to bad things happening. More bad than good now. That is why immigration has to be controlled. We have to know who the people are who want to come to the USA to better their lives and who are the criminals.
It's to the point were I am I having a hard time believing the illegal aliens are just good, hard working people looking for a better way of life line that I so often here or read, because mostly what I see is the violence, the shootings, houses going up for sale, long time residents moving out because they are afraid, sections of town becoming run down.
Sorry maybe I'm so cynical this evening because there was another shooting last week and another this week and I'm angry about what is happening in my town and I just need to vent...................I'll probably see things in a different light tomorrow. That is if there isn't another shooting overnight. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 8/26/2007 6:03:36 AM |
Heh, most of the population of the old U S of A has illegal immigrants as the country does belong to the aboriginals who were slaughtered in vast sums by the "whites" normally from the motherland of the UK, guess that is why the Yanks talk English and not Apache. Give the land back!!! you thieving vernim!! and the those from South America have more right to live in North America at least they are from that continent and not imported Whites!!!!
Weren't the native americans illegal immigrants who took over from the aboriginals about 6,000 years ago? Should the native americans go back to asia?
BTW, immigrants from South America are racially mixed too you know. | |
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Posted: 8/26/2007 4:47:23 PM |
So what you're saying Buds is that it's not illegal aliens but the the children of illegals who are born in the USA who join gangs ? If that is the case that's a very good reason to stop illegal immigration, no illegal immigrants in the USA, no children born to illegal aliens in the USA to grow up and join gangs.
Also a good reason why we need to do away with "Anchor Baby" citizenship; the offspring of illegal aliens should not be entitled to U.S. Citizenship simply because their mother is squatting on US soil.
I do hope Hazelton's appeal is successful although should the cities towns and states start clamping down on illegals in ways the Federal courts allow, watch for the next Congress to try and pre-empt these laws.
And I wonder how many gun-owners there are in Hazelton? | |
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Posted: 8/26/2007 4:59:26 PM | if a mother of five whos on welfare and cant afford to feed her own children keeps gettin pregnant...over and over again...ppl r goin to get real tired of it. there gonna be tellin her to get birth control...get her tubes tied...or not have sex.
as a country were becomin like that mother. we cant take care of all of our own...yet we keep bringin more and more in. lets feed and clothe the americans first. when we can do that...and comfortably feed those who want the help...than we can start talkin about bringin more into the game. | |
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| Your ancestors were illegals too
Posted: 8/26/2007 5:03:09 PM | "Also a good reason why we need to do away with "Anchor Baby" citizenship; the offspring of illegal aliens should not be entitled to U.S. Citizenship simply because their mother is squatting on US soil."
I agree,the US is one of the few contries that does this.In most countries the baby is the nationality of their mother,in Muslim countries they are nationality of their father. | |
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| We need to help....when there is a real need..
Posted: 8/26/2007 7:34:43 PM | I believe it was 60 minutes tonight, they did a segment on all the Iraq refugees who have worked for our military as interpreters and now are under a "kill" order from the insurgents. We have displaced over 2 million people in Iraq, with our war on terrorism. Syria has made a refuge safe haven for them, but can not be expected to absorb all the responsibility and needs for these displaced citizens of Iraq.
Our Government has a responsibility, a humanitarian responsibility to screen these people and offer to open our doors and give them a safe haven. Their help was invaluable to our military men and women and saved many lives. We are indebted to them and will have to make room for many to come to the USA to save their lives.
What a mess we have made over there.......the ramifications are going to be felt for many many years. No matter the out come of the war, our actions have forever changed many lives.............forever | |
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| Join the fight to save US jobs for US Citizens
Posted: 8/28/2007 10:22:02 AM | Monday begins TV ad campaign to expose human face of victims of extreme immigration
DEAR FRIENDS,
The ad is something else!
It reminds viewers that there are real victims to the federal government's policy of importing or allowing more than a million foreign workers (both legal and illegal) into this country each year.
If you are reading this Monday mid-morning, you should also have in your in-box an email from us asking you to sign a petition and to watch the new TV immigration ad that begins running Monday in every region of the country.
You will see across the top of that email that we are asking you to spread that email far and wide.
I am sending this email to you to say how very important it is that you expose as many people as possible to the pre-Labor Day ad and petition campaign. So, please forward that email and/or fill in as many email addresses as possible on the 'refer' list that you'll see after you sign the petition.
I think you will be excited to see that this calm but explosive TV ad will finally be raising the issue of discrimination against American workers in a highly public way.
Already, more than 27 million U.S. jobs are being filled by foreign workers, even though 54 million working-age Americans don't have a job.
This is an extended ad campaign by the Coalition for the Future American Worker. It is starting out in Boston, South Carolina, Mississippi, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Austin and San Jose/San Francisco. Those of you in those areas will hear from us about specific actions you can take in your local area that will augment the power of this ad campaign.
If you don't find the petition/ad email, you can look at both the petition and the ad at:
www.ReformUS.org
I hope you are as excited as we are and will open that petition/ad email right now.
Join the Fight to Save American Jobs!
(August 27) A new national television ad and petition campaign are asking America's leaders to address the crisis facing American workers and commit to preserving American jobs for Americans; enforcing effective sanctions against employers hiring illegal aliens; requiring employers to hire Americans first, making their own aspirations and dreams of a middle class life a reality. Click here to watch the ad and sign the petition. http://www.reformus.org/
Bush Immigration ''Reforms'' Yield Promise, Concerns
On August 10, Bush Administration officials announced a package of 26 "reforms" they say are designed to secure the borders, improve interior and worksite enforcement, and streamline existing guestworker programs. "It is heartening to see that the Administration recognizes that a significant portion of immigration law needs to be implemented," said NumbersUSA President Roy Beck in a press release. "Interior enforcement, particularly in the workplace," Beck continued, "is the cornerstone of the Attrition through Enforcement approach to solving our illegal immigration problems..."
Click here for more details on the Administration’s “reforms,” or here to read Roy Beck's analysis. http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/congress.html
Congress Departs for August Recess
Before leaving for a month-long recess, Congress passed a number of fiscal year 2008 spending bills that contain immigration-related measures.
Learn more about House and Senate action on spending bills.
Overview of Immigration Goals for NumbersUSA and Its Activist Network
Since the defeat of S. 1639, we have taken calls from the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, other news organizations and political entities wanting to know: What's next?
Read the overview of NumbersUSA's immigration gameplan.
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/amnestyanalysis.html
CLICK HERE to view Roy Beck's analysis of the historic occasion of the grassroots beating "The Establishment" in defeating the amnesty.
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/amnestydefeatanalysis.html | |
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| Join the fight to save US jobs for US Citizens
Posted: 9/1/2007 8:02:36 AM | The word "illegal" says it all they have broken the law and should be subject to criminal proceedings just like anyone else that breaks the law................just so you know how easy they have it in the USA..... here are Mexico's Immigration Laws.................
* THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL BILINGUAL PROGRAMS IN THE SCHOOLS.
* THERE WILL BE NO SPECIAL BALLOTS FOR ELECTIONS.
* ALL GOVERNMENT BUSINESS WILL BE CONDUCTED IN OUR LANGUAGE.
* FOREIGNERS WILL NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE NO MATTER HOW LONG THEY ARE HERE.
* FOREIGNERS WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HOLD POLITICAL OFFICE.
* FOREIGNERS WILL NOT BE A BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYERS.
* NO WELFARE, NO FOOD STAMPS, NO HEALTH CARE OR OTHER GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS.
* FOREIGNERS CAN INVEST IN THIS COUNTRY BUT IT MUST BE AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO 40,000 TIMES THE DAILY MINIMUM WAGE.
* IF FOREIGNERS DO COME AND WANT TO BUY LAND, THAT WILL BE OKAY. BUT OPTIONS WILL BE RESTRICTED...
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED WATERFRONT PROPERTY. THAT IS RESERVED FOR CITIZENS NATURALLY BORN INTO THIS COUNTRY.
* FOREIGNERS MAY NOT PROTEST; NO DEMONSTRATIONS; NO WAVING A FOREIGN FLAG; NO POLITICAL ORGANIZING; NO BAD-MOUTHING OUR PRESIDENT OR HIS POLICIES. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL BE SENT HOME.
* IF YOU DO COME TO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY, YOU WILL BE HUNTED DOWN AND SENT STRAIGHT TO JAIL.
TOO HARSH, YOU SAY?
The above laws happen to be the Immigration Laws of...
MEXICO. | |
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