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| Join the fight to save US jobs for US Citizens
Posted: 9/13/2007 10:19:25 PM | | I am so pleased that this thread is still around. I made an entry into this thread over a month ago. (#741) I have always made a living in the restaurant business, (I'm in my mid 40's) and after a short intermission, I began to look for work again in Sacramento, CA. After looking in my area and getting the same "we're not hiring" response everywhere, I started looking 10 miles away. (nothing.) 15 miles away. (nothing.) 20 miles away!! Finally, after 3-4 months, (in the past, I would start to panic if I couldn't land a job in 3-4 weeks.) I was offered a part time job. 20 hours a week, 20 miles away. There were two hispanics covering the first shift who were working there full time, and both had a second full time job in another restaurant. (That's 80 hours a week apiece, compared to my 20.) When I finally recieved my first 2 week paycheck, it wasn't even enough to cover my rent. So, I went to the manager and told him that if I couldn't get more hours, I wouldn't be able to afford to work there. So, after much effort, he managed to schedule me for 4 hours of one of the other cook's days. Jesus, (his name) was furious. He said that because he has seniority over me, he has the right to get more hours than I do! Finally, after going to the owner and not getting the results he was looking for, (and because he's illegal) he chose to quiet down about it. The moral of this story? This isn't about racial hatred or intollerance for other cultures, this is about wanting to work and not being able to make a living in my own homeland because we have all these hispanics that want to come here, take all the jobs that some people assume no American wants to do, (which I DO!) so they can take the money and run. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 10/11/2007 12:41:22 AM | hmm. here it is. why don't you start new threads instead of changing the name of this one?
ah, the thread is dying down though. peace and quiet. i am going to tip toe in, as promised. well, i hope that some of you urge your congressional representatives to pass the legislation that will allow children brought or born here illegally to become citizens and go to college and contribute back to the place they were born and/or raised--the usa. that way, they will be legal and you will have no more problems.
CA is growing at such a rate that if the recently arrived and new born latino children do not get properly educated, the replacement population (which is reaching a latino majority), will not be able to sustain the current labor pool's level of sophistication. then , they will take the high paying jobs elsewhere people. strategists project that india and china are waiting patiently!
if industry leaves, who will buy your valuable house and keep your neighborhood up to par and your real estate investments in order at their current already overinflated rates? now, if you "educate" the children and make them feel at home and not want to join gangs, you will have a better future as retirees, because they will be able to sustain you and prevent the cost of housing to drop as industry moves out. you know, the village concept that was introduced way back by hillary! or as an alternative, maybe you will have to move to mexico where you will be able to afford the cost of living as so many other americans do! ironic....
ps how is hazelton, sweetie?
psp i read the above analysis in a major local paper. found it interesting. thought i 'd share the concept. similar to what was said in alcura's thread on population replacement rates. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 10/11/2007 1:23:21 AM | | Thier here illegaly does that make it right no go back and come back legaly, dam if i break the law i am punished so what makes it wrong to send them back or make it harder to make it here. If 12 millon of the us people went to mexico thier would war or they would be jailed thier. As for them owning land they should not be allowed if they are not resadents of the us we cant own land in mexico we can lease but or childeren wil never get the land if we die it goes back to mexico. Be legal and i am happy and they are welcomed here but get out if they are not. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 10/11/2007 7:09:35 PM | yes there is something we can do about it. look at population growth stats and what is needed to preserve this economy. more and more "haves" are having way less children than before and than the "have nots" . we need to educate the have nots and guide them in sustaining this economy so that our property values will not go down and the entire industrial world move out to another country that is most eager to take it all away. the other probem is that many are not familiar with being "mobile". while there are no jobs in one place, here you cannot find employees. engineers are used to moving around for work. many other professions are not. i am not saying this is a good thing for anyone who is settled into where they live. i am saying it is the world today.
illegal immigrants see the opportunity and, out of dire necessity, they move in to fill gaps that are not being filled by usa citizens. yes, there are some areas this is not the case. but, there are many others where this is the case. the only reason i originally moved out to CA was because my ex was an engineer and could not get any decent job back east. there were many in CA. this happens with other fields as well. it will happen more and more as industry "shifts" and "fluctuates".
some jobs, on the other hand can be taken to rural areas, as an example in the health care delivery system: on call nursing. but, how many on site nurses jobs did these new positions replace and leave people unemployed in the city? you need to understand economics and the current marketplace. our children are being educated today to expect 5 differerent jobs in their lifetimes. we all expected to have one and go home at five--i'm 58. we never expected we would "have" to move, just when we wanted to do so. nowadays kids have to think if they "have" to move to a foreign country to work, let alone to another state.
this topic is part of a much larger issue. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 1/24/2008 9:01:32 PM | ^^^^^^
This is scary......but I agree w/ most of what you said....
I have to ask those who feel illegals (of any nationality) are being persecuted....if illegals become legal...who'll take their place in the economy?
I mean...the primary positive of using illegal workers is the low wages they'll take for work.
Their work ethic and output are just pleasant side benefits of employing them.
If they become legal...employers will have to pay them the same as Americans..and will have to provide them w/ the same legal protection as native workers.
While this will be very useful for the employees..it'll add costs to the bottom line for employers.
Thus requiring them to locate and obtain more lower wage workers...from..where?
Nobody that's "Pro" immigration seems to have an answer for the one... | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/17/2008 12:50:18 PM | | I do understand what alot of people say...but then I saw my family that owned one of the best and most popular landscaping business go down the drain because the illegals came and under bid them....A very good friends business has lost so much up in Iowa because the illegals underbid him...ok so you tell me, do you really think our economy would fail if we did not have illegals..no!!! business's would just learn to pay more, then maybe we would not have as many AMERICANS that are homeless, that need help and cant get because all the funds are wrapped up in the illegals....I am all for the ones that are willing to become legal as our fore fathers have done | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/17/2008 2:06:06 PM | More companies are moving their plants to Mexico and more Mexicans are sneaking into the USA. The illegals take most of the jobs that teens and seniors use to do to supplement their income and since so many jobs have been lost, and veterans are back and more will be coming home to what? Unless they have special training there will be nothing for them to do as jobs no longer exist for many Americans. I am ashamed of the way our veterans are being treated as they are not even getting the care they deserve. It doesn't make sense to me to spend all that money on a stimulus pkg. (a band-aid) and put us farther in debt for most Americans will pay it on bills or save it. and the rich don't need it. A GOP election year ploy. A lot of people with forged social security cards will get a lot of it and they are not even legal citizens. I think all foreigners should have to show their naturalization papers or birth certificates. There are plenty of American born who do not make enough to pay taxes, due to different reasons and will not receive one cent.
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/17/2008 4:23:19 PM | I am with you ,having been in the construction trades for over 30yrs,I have seen my wages drop because of the influx of illegals. And I am now trying to run my own business, hiring only legal residents,pay workers comp,taxes,and all the otherBS but have to compete with employers that hire undocumented,or falsely documented workers,and am constantly underbid.
They work for way less money,do shawdy work,send alot of the money they earn back to Mexico,dont pay taxes because the employers are paying them cash.Or one big legit check,to one that has doc's, that is then disbursed to several that dont have the doc's.
They clog our roads,schools,stores and hospitals,take money from social services that they DONT pay into. Many live in single family homes or apts. with two or more families,lowering the property values for those Americans in and around them
Not to mention ALL of the other illegal activities that they are involved in,which range from drugs to loaning money for homes,business or cars that they cant afford to pay back.
I think the negative impact outweighs the positive by ten fold and wish someone would do some TRUE TO LIFE number crunching to prove it and make it easily accesible to read and make known to anyone that thinks any different.
Who needs 'em?I say go home and fix your own country like our forefathers and mothers did here!
America needs to look after our own and stop trying to save the world at the taxpayers expense. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 6:20:36 AM |
I do understand what alot of people say...but then I saw my family that owned one of the best and most popular landscaping business go down the drain because the illegals came and under bid them....A very good friends business has lost so much up in Iowa because the illegals underbid him...ok so you tell me, do you really think our economy would fail if we did not have illegals..no!!! business's would just learn to pay more, then maybe we would not have as many AMERICANS that are homeless, that need help and cant get because all the funds are wrapped up in the illegals....I am all for the ones that are willing to become legal as our fore fathers have done
While I'm definitely not "pro" illegal immigration, I have yet to see a well-run business that was "bankrupted" by illegal aliens.
If you run a solid business and take good care of your customers, then only the flighty or the foolish will drop your business in favor of a lower cost competitor.
And Americans are homeless for a variety of reasons, most having to do w/ mental illness, substance abuse and/or poor decision making.
Or some combination of the three.
It's inconceivable that any responsible adult would claim that illegal aliens are responsible for them not having a place to stay.
Bottom Line...Illegals are responsible for some, but not most, of the social ills in this country.
It's unlikely that their absence will do anything more than resolve the social problem that THEY are responsible for creating. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 8:55:31 AM | | Cocytus..my family's business ran for over 18 years being the number one landscapers and floral arrangements..the floral part stayed going very well, but the landscaping part of it was crushed by the illegals coming here and getting that type of business for alot lower(did not matter that our company was number one)....yes alot of the homeless is due to what you have said but again there are some that have lost their companies due to the illegals bidding lower...if we didnt have illegals maybe companies would be more willing to pay a fair wage instead of the lower wages they pay the illegals...besides most of the illegals work here in the US, but where does that money go, not back into our economy but to families still in Mexico and yet we give and give to them with no return. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 9:14:56 AM |
Cocytus..my family's business ran for over 18 years being the number one landscapers and floral arrangements..the floral part stayed going very well, but the landscaping part of it was crushed by the illegals coming here and getting that type of business for alot lower(did not matter that our company was number one)....yes alot of the homeless is due to what you have said but again there are some that have lost their companies due to the illegals bidding lower...if we didnt have illegals maybe companies would be more willing to pay a fair wage instead of the lower wages they pay the illegals...besides most of the illegals work here in the US, but where does that money go, not back into our economy but to families still in Mexico and yet we give and give to them with no return.
Umm..let's see:
1) Your family had the "number one" business in landscaping.....but was unable to deal w/ outside competition from people who not only didn't have the ties to the community that you did but were also in business illegally?
Your long-term customers abandoned you for the lowest prices around?
That speaks a lot to their lack of satisfaction w/ your business practices.
2) The companies that are HIRING illegals are why the illegals are here.
If it were a felony to employee illegal aliens, then most businesses that do so would think twice before they did it, or not do it all.
3) Illegal aliens are taking the lower rung/lower skill jobs that usually had high turnover and were difficult to fill anyway PRIOR to illegals coming here in the first place.
It's doubtfully that even if the companies currently employing illegals paid more for lower skilled work that this increase in pay would result in an influx of American workers to these jobs.
4) Again, to people being homeless:Unless you are mentally ill, abusing some type of substance, or have made a series of extremely poor financial decisions, it's unlikely that you'll find yourself homeless.
Or rather, homeless for an extended period of time.
I used to volunteer w/ homeless vets when I got out of the military.
While some of them were mentally ill and, sadly, unable to maintain a permanent residence, most were either substance abusing or had made (or continued to make ) VERY poor financial decisions.
Or were some combination of the three.
None of those conditions were caused or exacerbated by illegal immigration.
While I'm not "pro" illegal immigration, I AM "pro" putting the blame squarely where it lies.
People cause most of their own problems. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 9:16:52 AM | | I am sick of the "Oh, the poor illegal immigrants" attitude. When they cross the border into the United States they are committing an act of war and should be shot on sight. Let someone try to sneak into Russia or China. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 1:05:40 PM | Yes cocytus when illegals come in here and do a pretty decent job on landscaping your dam right people are gonna take the lower amount...for years we were the only major landscaping business, but if anyone is in the right mind they will get a lower bid period so don't go get all snooty with me saying our customers were dissatisfied........as for the homeless, I did say some not all and I have been around homeless people also....awful funny when something happened to my car(oh i know who it was) I had a major come in his fatigues and make it plain and clear and very loudly in my back yard that if something happens again to my car that immigration will be here within the hour.....well, have not heard a peep from my neighbors hahahah!!!!
As I said earlier, look at all the major steel factories in Iowa that closed down to move to mexico ummmm what happened to all the employees????.......Painting business here in lv is the same way underbidding and many painters are out of business now...When it is now mandatory for my son or children period to take Spanish in school just so we can communicate with legals and illegals then it is time to start coming to our senses....yes most of our forefathers came from other countries, but legally and learned English.............sorry but this is one subject that really ticks me and alot of people off..............BECOME LEGAL LEARN ENGLISH!!!!
Thank you Whisper!!!! | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 1:07:35 PM | One of the reasons, business run by illegals, such as landscaping, mechanic, roofing, construction, clothing stores, grocery stores, restaurants and other one family businesses can compete and put another well established business out of business is because..........many of these illegals never get the proper licencing, or carry the insurance coverage American business have come to expect to pay as part of running a business. They also lie and cheat on sales, profits and sales taxes they collect, but never turn over to the state. If it comes down to them getting caught in their business practices, they just close up shop and open another, under another name, many times a stolen identification.
The don't invest in property or investments or savings in the US, but send their ill gotten gains back to Mexico to invest in property there or stash for future use, if they suddenly have the need to leave the USA, over some of their business practices. The quality of their work, reflects the fact........they are only here to fleece the American citizen, take their money and run.....and if your stuck with sub quality workmanship....your SOL.....because they have moved on. ........With your money....they never paid taxes on to begin with.
IF they are working for others, with a fake id.....they claim so many tax deductions....nothing gets held out of their pay checks, so no need to file a tax return....they already have all their money.
How many illegals......do you know.....who have bought homes and plan on staying?
check out numbersusa.com a well informed site regarding the impact of illegals and our federal elected officials who are selling out the working class American citizens. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witchhunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/18/2008 9:07:14 PM | ^^^^^^^^^
right on! Most of their money goes to Mexico while as many as 25 Mexicans live in a 2 bedroom apt. living like trash and leaving the apt. that way. A lot are living under assumed names and using false S.S. cards and green cards. The legals bring a new load back whenever they visit home. I can't wait for the next president to make them go home and enter legally. A lot of Americans are being made homeless due to the mortgage rates.
People can't pay inflated prices and there are few part time jobs for them to make a difference. VETERANS CAN NOT COME HOME AND MAKE A LIVING ON McDonald's PAY. THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT IN THE COLD DAYTIME AND IN SHELTERS AT NIGHT. ...IS THIS WHAT THEY FOUGHT FOR?
REGUARDLESS OF SOME OF THEM BEING MENTALLY ILL, WE SHOULD BE CARING FOR THEM AND NOT MEXICANS. 12 million illegals. A lot of them on social services. How about giving that money to our vet's they are the ones who go through the hell of war. | |
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| Officially sanctioned witch-hunt against illegal immigrants?
Posted: 2/20/2008 11:05:37 AM | If someone goes to another country with the intentions of not paying their bills, running up utility bills, not purchasing auto insurance, using the food pantries instead of spending their own money on food, using the emergency room for medical care, fleecing the system in anyway possible and knows that eventually all they have to do is skip back across the border and let some one else get stuck for the bills they have accumulated, you get to save a lot more of your work pay...........to send back home and build a nest egg to either live on for a few years or invest in property.
Nice eh? And its at the working class, tax paying citizens of the USA's expense when it all boils down to the bottom line. You and Me........paying for their ill gotten gains. | |
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