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 Altered_Ego

Joined: 4/26/2006
Msg: 26
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/11/2006 9:15:27 PM
I'm so damned tired of hearing the old Free Speech argument... all too often, it's brought up by people who are too immature and responsible to act like adults.

In this case, the Dixie Chicks chose to make a political statement when their audience paid to hear a concert.

Let them pick the proper time and place to get political.

I never bought their CDs because I'm not into Country.. but I do like their music.
 DarlenaNS

Joined: 11/28/2005
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 5:54:28 AM
I don't know if this has been brought up as I didn't read the entire thread but my opinion to why the American's are so pissed at the Dixie Chicks is because.......

They were playing a concert overseas and decided to bash their own president on foreign soil! I should say 'she' did as the lead singer was the one that opened her mouth. There is freedom of speech in America yes, but you don't openly bash the leader of your country in a foreign land and then expect the soldiers putting their lives on the line to not be in more danger thanks to your lack of common sense. Also it might not have been taken so serious if it was before 911. Also if the country was so anti-bush and behind what Natalie Maines said, the Dixie chicks concert sales and record sales would NOT have taken such a serious nose dive!
 Thatguy67

Joined: 9/20/2006
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 6:15:12 AM
Wow, double irony.

People are getting tired of hearing about free speech when this whole thread is about such a topic.

Plus, they're exercising their right to free speech by saying they're tired of hearing about it.

When is a "proper" time to express your right to free speech? In front of your computer on POF at 9 in the morning?

There is no such thing as a proper time and there should never be.

For the record, the comment was met with a roar of approval so it didn't sound like many people were offended and walked out, if any at all. It goes without saying, people also have the right to express their dissapproval towards the Dixie Chicks. You can avoid buying their music or not go to their concerts. You never had to buy their stuff or see them in the first place.

But the problem lies with them getting death threats.

I think we all agree as reasonable people that is was wrong for them to be threatened in such a way for speaking their mind.
 DarlenaNS

Joined: 11/28/2005
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 6:56:40 AM

For the record, the comment was met with a roar of approval so it didn't sound like many people were offended and walked out, if any at all.


For the record, the Dixie chicks themselves sat on Oprah's couch and said their record sales have plummeted along with their concert ticket sales. And again, if I was in the public eye and I knew my words were going to do some bad along with good I would most definitely have enough common sense to not use my celebrity status to spout political anything. I don't think the dixie chicks have son's/daughter's or brothers and sisters over in Iraq, Afghanistan or the other hot spots of the world fighting and or dying!

And No I don't agree with them getting death threats!
 t-gurl

Joined: 9/9/2006
Msg: 30
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 7:56:10 AM

if I was in the public eye and I knew my words were going to do some bad along with good I would most definitely have enough common sense to not use my celebrity status to spout political anything


So you are saying that you would sacrifice your ethics and keep your mouth shut in order to make a buck?

I applaud the Dixie Chicks not only for speaking their mind but also for sticking to their guns and not knuckling under to public pressure in the aftermath. Yes, they lost record sales to the people who disagreed with them. Yes, the people who agreed with them probably didn't go out and buy their records if they hadn't already. So what? They were true to themselves and that's all that matters.

In the words of an Aaron Tippin (another country singer) song "You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything"
 DarlenaNS

Joined: 11/28/2005
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 8:00:21 AM
So you are saying that you would sacrifice your ethics and keep your mouth shut in order to make a buck?


I do love when words get totally taken out of context on the internet. But no I am not saying you should sacrifice your ethics and keep your mouth shut in order to make a buck. But I for one go to a concert to hear the music, I do NOT go to hear someone who probably doesn't know a single thing about what they are talking about spewing propaganda.
I love how some celebrities use their soapbox for such things, and all it usually does is come back at some point and bite them cleanly on their ass! And again ........ if they said it on their own soil................. there wouldn't have been such a backlash! Insert rolling eyes icon here!
 Byrd

Joined: 7/19/2004
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 9:13:17 AM
Spewing propaganda= G.W.B.
 wonwascallywabbit

Joined: 7/20/2005
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 10:24:25 AM
I think it has mainly to do with many wanting to look like they are on the right side. A big thing too is many Americans have come to believe, that rights such as free speech and others are only their right and not that of others. This has very much become a country where my rights supersede anyone else's. Take a look at the leadership and you'll see quickly why hypocrisy is so well accepted.
 Rhett1

Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 34
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 2:16:58 PM
I'm not trying to debate with anyone, but I will play devil's advocate...

if they said it on their own soil................. there wouldn't have been such a backlash!

I disagree with you there...I don't believe that it all centers around Natalie Maines saying it in a different country. I know there are SOME who felt very deeply that this was wrong, but I tend to think the backlash would have still been there. I'll say again what I said in a previous post, the rest of the world knows that GWB is not an overly popular president, it's not been kept a secret.

A few people have mentioned that they are catching hell because people don't want to hear celebrities opinions about such things. How come the Dixie Chicks seem to be the ONLY celebrities that have taken such heat about this? Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins are very political, Brad Pitt, Toby Keith, Bono, etc. What makes the DC's different?


I do NOT go to hear someone who probably doesn't know a single thing about what they are talking about spewing propaganda

Then shouldn't we say the same about you? Aren't you doing the exact same thing? You may not be all that knowledgeable either when it comes to this particular subject. So why are you on here talking about it? Is this propaganda? In some people's eyes, yes. When you go to a concert, you pay your money and you take your chances with what is going to be said by the performers.

BUT...you have the right to say it because you are an American citizen and you have every right to question your government. If we aren't allowed (both Americans and Canadians) to question our government or make them accountable for the decisions and mistakes they make, why don't both of our countries turn to Communism and just let the leaders do whatever they wish? Our leaders NEED to be held accountable in order for our countries to remain free societies.
 DarlenaNS

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Posted: 11/12/2006 7:09:16 PM

Then shouldn't we say the same about you? Aren't you doing the exact same thing? You may not be all that knowledgeable either when it comes to this particular subject.


I first of all am not a celebrity! I don't have a very big soap box either, as I am not famous, I can't nor would I ever try to push my views on others. Funny stuff though thanks for that. And I am knowledgeable when it comes to common sense. It is a learned thing btw, you aren't born with it.
 HeavyThumb

Joined: 5/10/2006
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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 8:08:22 PM
I find it ironic that the same group of people who support Bush, and support his war in Iraq, and support the ongoing "battle for freedom", take such extreme offense when one of America's major freedoms, that of free speech, is actually utilized.
But then again, perhaps some of the uber-right only agree with freedom of speech when that which is spoken matches their own opinions.
 NateC

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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 8:47:02 PM
I don't think it's about politics; iirc, it's about one texan bashing another; Texas acts like it's its own nation. ZZ Top, for instance, while they played for GWB, probably have very little nice to say about him, but never would say it; it would destroy them because of their standing in Texas.

I guess that would be sociopolitical.

Anyway, if Ministry can post an uncensored music video where one of the guitarists is wearing a shirt that says F*ck Bush (and it's uncensored...), Natalie, IMO, can say whatever she wants.

Also, she made a couple of a smart-ass jabs, it's not like the march of feminists where they were waving signs calling GWB "President C*nt".

I think anyone that criticises this is not only making a storm in a teacup, but needs to actually read the bill of rights.
 Rhett1

Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 38
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 8:53:46 PM
DarlenaS:

I'm glad I gave you a laugh.

I stand by what I wrote, though. You say that you aren't a celebrity...does this mean you have MORE rights than Natalie Maines to say what you want, simply because your soap box isn't as big? P.O.F. is a pretty generously-sized soapbox.

Again, you ARE pushing your views on here...and again, you have that right. Not saying your opinion is wrong, it's just that, an opinion.
 DouglasInMotown

Joined: 8/9/2006
Msg: 39
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/12/2006 10:12:07 PM
Anybody who goes to a Dixie Chicks concert without expecting to hear a dose of grassroots politics is seriously out of touch. It's part of their act and their record sales have been surging for it. Are there a few people pissed? Sure. But so what? If you calibrate your act so as to not offend anybody, you end up with elevator music: no message, no soul, no heart. Ted Nugent uses his pop-star position to advance his politics. Why not blast him for it equally?

This piece has been floating around the Internet and I'm not sure where it originated. I'm pretty sure it's satire and not something Natalie Maines actually wrote, but I wish she had.

Apology from Natalie Maines
As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I now realize that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect.

I hope everyone understands, I'm just a young girl who grew up in Texas. As far back as I can remember, I heard people say they were ashamed of President Clinton. I saw bumper stickers calling him everything from a pothead to a murderer. I heard people on the radio and tv like Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott bad mouthing the President and ridiculing his wife and daughter at every opportunity.

I heard LOTS of people disrespecting the President. So I guess I just assumed it was acceptable behavior.

But now, thanks to the thousands of angry people who want radio stations to boycott our music because criticizing the President is unpatriotic, I realize it's wrong to have a liberal opinion if you're a country music artist. I guess I should have thought about that before deciding to play music that attracts hypocritical rednecks.

I also realize now that I'm supposed to just sing and look cute so our fans won't have anything to upset them while they're cheating on their wives or getting in drunken bar fights or driving around in their pickup trucks shooting highway signs and small animals.

And most important of all, I realize that it's wrong for a celebrity to voice a political opinion, unless they're Toby Keith, Charlie Daniels, Clint Black, Barbara Mandrell, Loretta Lynn, Ricky Skaggs, Travis Tritt, Hank Williams Jr, Amy Grant, Larry Gatlin, Crystal Gayle, Reba McEntire, Lee Greenwood, Lorrie Morgan, Anita Bryant, Mike Oldfield, Ted Nugent, Wayne Newton,****Clark, Jay Leno, Drew Carey, Dixie Carter, Victoria Jackson, Charleton Heston, Fred Thompson, Ben Stein, Bruce Willis, Kevin Costner, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bo Derek, Rick Schroeder, George Will, Pat Buchanan, Bill O'Reilly, Joe Rogan, Delta Burke, Robert Conrad or Jesse Ventura.

God Bless America,
Natalie

 DarlenaNS

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Posted: 11/13/2006 12:42:02 AM
Eldubu, but my whole soapbox argument is about using proper judgement and common sense. If my message is to use more common sense and is being feeded through this medium, is that a bad thing? I am not pushing anything political. Again thinking my point got lost on some. Also I realize alot of people use POF but a huge percentage don't use the forums. So thinking my words haven't reached clearly as many people as some celebrities words have.


It's part of their act and their record sales have been surging for it.


Not anymore they aren't. From the mouths of the Dixie chicks. Again I am not a hater of them, but don't think 'she' used ................................common sense. *Peace*
 Ben_Raines

Joined: 8/15/2006
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Posted: 11/13/2006 2:06:49 AM
I personally am just as proud of Natalie and the other "Chicks" and their political stand and views as I am of Jane Fonda and hers. I don't agree with them (Dixie Chicks), but I do support their right to their opinion and the right to voice it. I will not support them with my money by purchasing their music, that's my right and my way of protesting and disagreeing with their views. I don't think they (Dixie Chicks) should be jailed or threatened with death for their political views unlike "Hanoi Jane" who should have been tried as a traitor for her actions during the VietNam war. JMO (and it's my right to have it and state it and your right to agree or disagree)!!!
 Jarbarian

Joined: 2/9/2006
Msg: 42
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/13/2006 12:51:33 PM
I'm not angry at them.

What bothers me more is that people really care that much about what a celebrity's political opinion is. What bothers me is that celebrities use their fame to push a political agenda.

I think it's silly and career suicide if you push your political views on stage. I own a business and I know if I started pushing my political agenda on people I would lose business. The Dixie Chicks basically insulted a large populace of their fans.

Not business smart whatsoever.

Do I care what they think, politically speaking? Nope. I don't even care for their music but that's just my opinion. I do feel they have a right to express their opinions if they so choose, I just think that was a case of: "better to keep your mouth closed and have someone think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

Cheers.
 Byrd

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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/13/2006 3:39:22 PM
EEEEEEERRRRRRR I'm not Fonda Jane..
 AREALANGEL

Joined: 2/5/2006
Msg: 44
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/13/2006 5:25:54 PM
Because they express their own opinions that go against the president..they have a right to say whatever they want. We are not in Salem and we can hand witches anymore.

I think there are people on this earth that have that kind of mannerisms..point out who is against the president and make them triators of our country. I don't see the Dixie Chicks as traitors but voicing their own minds..
 athletic2222

Joined: 10/13/2006
Msg: 45
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/13/2006 5:57:22 PM
The difference between the Daily show and the Dixie chicks is you can immediatly affect the Dixie chicks by not buying a Cd or not buying a ticket to thier concert. You could not watch the Daily show but it wouldn't have an immediat noticable impact. As well the daily show supposedly criticizes democrats as well

The problem is the Dixie chicks offended thier main fan base, Jesus country, all republicans.
 Pandy

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Posted: 11/13/2006 7:03:37 PM
They were playing a concert overseas and decided to bash their own president on foreign soil! I should say 'she' did as the lead singer was the one that opened her mouth. There is freedom of speech in America yes, but you don't openly bash the leader of your country in a foreign land and then expect the soldiers putting their lives on the line to not be in more danger thanks to your lack of common sense.


I'd say that foreign soil is no diffent than here.
IMO, thinking people are embarrassed about the way Americans are regarded by Europe and the rest of the world.
Personally, I LOATHE being lumped with mindless, flag-flapping jingoists who don't have the intellectual depth to actually KNOW what's going on, and who think this country is the best country in the world for no other reason than that they were born in it. The "you hate your country if you don't love Bush" mentality is appalling, and I'm glad that Europeans were given to understand that we're not all that way.

I also think that it's at the height of ignorance to come to the conclusion that any political commentary by a celebrity could in anyway endanger soldiers.


Also it might not have been taken so serious if it was before 911. Also if the country was so anti-bush and behind what Natalie Maines said, the Dixie chicks concert sales and record sales would NOT have taken such a serious nose dive!


Last I looked, they were doing pretty well. Nice rebound, huh?
Thier fanbase might have shifted to more politically aware people, but they still DO have a large fanbase.

To more closely address the original topic, I think that the balance of the American public are too lazy to even sit down and listen to the news and be aware of what IS going on with the world... It's just easier and more palatable to see the Emperer's clothes.

To those who continue to declare unpatriotic those who speak their political minds, I leave you with a quote from a former president:

To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Theodore Roosevelt- 1918


 shes_single_again

Joined: 10/15/2006
Msg: 47
Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/13/2006 8:05:39 PM
OMG don't even get me started, anyone that is still pissed at the Chicks needs a reality check.
 Rheubie

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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/13/2006 8:44:45 PM
I've been sampling this thread a little, but I find a couple of things interesting...
People are annoyed/upset at celebrities for "using" their status to push an agenda. Ask yourselves, who made them celebrities? Us. No one is forcing you to agree with them, or even pay attention to them. My question is, "Is it an intelligent, considered opinion?" I don't agree with everything that, say, Ben Affleck has to say... but if you actually look into what he's said, he is quite intelligent, and has put a lot of thought into what he says politically. Natalie Maines said something (and the location is truly irrelevant) that offended a lot of the people who were the 'Chicks' putative fans.... but it doesn't change the quality of their music. Personally, I laughed when I heard it. And I agree with the previously posted Roosevelt quote... to quote Emerson, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
 DarlenaNS

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Posted: 11/14/2006 1:01:03 PM
Last I looked, they were doing pretty well. Nice rebound, huh?


Umm not really as I stated earlier....... Natalie Maines the lead singer in her own words said they did lose a whole lot of money.
But final word for me here is .............. My only concern is putting lives at risk. I am not an American but I do have empathy for others. I do worry when a person bashes their president on foreign soil and therefore making wackos hate american people even more. And therefore putting a bigger target on the men and women who are fighting over in the middle east........ Big sigh.........



The "you hate your country if you don't love Bush" mentality is appalling, and I'm glad that Europeans were given to understand that we're not all that way.


I do believe the Europeans are smart enough to realize that by one woman having anti-bush sentiment doesn't mean they will jump like little lemmings onto that bandwagon. *peace*
 new2_the_game

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Why are some Americans so pissed at the Dixie Chicks?
Posted: 11/14/2006 1:06:06 PM
I love me some Dixie "Twix" LoL

*sings along with them* I'm not ready to make nice. I'm not ready to back down. I'm still mad as he|| and I dont have time to go round and round and round. It's to late to make it right. Probably wouldnt if I could. Hehehehe...Love it!


'Nywayz, I concur with most of the people on this thread. If it'd been a man, there wouldnt have been such a big stink about it.



-Rocko
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