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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/16/2008 3:11:31 PM |
No one in Jersey - they're all too afraid the gun will jump up & kill something!
I was assuming it was an unloaded gun of course, (please tell me it wasn't loaded..)
Just pointing out the raw idiocy required to equate something as powerful as a gun to a toy in a child's mind. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/16/2008 3:55:57 PM |
lukenineteen80 said:
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Just pointing out the raw idiocy required to equate something as powerful as a gun to a toy in a child's mind. That's just it - No one I know would do that. The fact that you bring it up suggests that you might make that association. To anyone familiar with guns, that concept would be too absurd to mention. Handing a 3-yr old a LOADED gun is absurd. Handing a loaded gun to an adult who is not familiar with them is equally absurd.
As with anything that might be dangerous, you start with the basic safety rules or Darwin takes over.
Guns are not toys, they are tools.
People are all-too-often conditioned to fear these particular tools. Look at the headlines in England; the word "gun" is most often followed directly by the word "terror". Here in the states its "gun crime".
Fear of guns is a direct result of being ignorant about them and being fed poor information about them. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 1:36:05 AM | Yeah I have to say Frank Tossas was unusual in many respects - I can safely say his name for if memory serves me well my sister in Germany told me he passed away in a VA hospital. Plus the connection between he & I is just my mom & can't be traced to my house for those mafia looking for me to pay off his italian debts I don't know about. Just kidding, but this is the internet you know.
Frank was my sister's Dad and we grew up seperately until our later years in high school. I say unusual in the most respectful way. He was a guiness record holder and his duty to his country touched many lives in important ways. Every time someone important needed rescued he was your man. He busted many POWs out of their traps.
He was my mom's sweetheart at 16 & first love.
She married him several times cause she loved him.
I found out about my 3 year old gun practicing story from my mom after a very unusual experience during a visit to a Wyoming Oil Man. He loved shooting & we talked about opening up a dude ranch to hunt buffalo. The first time he sat me down with all his guns, went through safety & then shot some rounds with me - He freaked at how accurate I was as he use to teach older kids to shoot in Michigan (I thought at that time I was touching my first guns). I couldn't explain it to him then. It was a really weird feeling cause it did come so naturally with all types of guns ~ rifle, scope ~ even with the open sites I was able to make old bullet shells fly like I had been shooting for years.
When I talked to my mom about the whole experience, she told me the story about how Frank made me a special gun & took me out to practice all the time while we were stationed in Germany. I thought it was super sweet - the whole idea of this big muscular super strong & deadly man being so gentle with such a precious little girl showing her how to do things mostly passed on to sons. He also taught my mom & entered her in a contest for women, but her first place trophy got taken away when they found out she wasn't enlisted, but a wife. Its a story from my mom to me. I cherish all the stories & photos my mom shares with me before I was old enough to remember. Especially the one of me as a baby "driving" her first car ~ a Model A
I got to know Frank again when I turned 16 & my sister came to live with my mom & I. He was very friendly & loved life. Just be careful waking him up :o)
None the less Firearms are not a joke & neither is our freedom to bare arms. I think if it was important to our Forefathers to engrave in our constitutional rights, it should stay there. The reasons were and still are very valid.
Thank you for the marriage proposal 22. I promise to send you tickets to Vegas to enjoy my 24 hour Daisy Duke Auto Maintenance shop in the parking lot of Hooters if any one ever hears this idea and has me open one up. My other Stepdad loved racing cameros & use to have me help him work on the engines when I was in elementary school. Little arms work nice in small places & a long pipe gives just the right torque that can immitate any one man's strength. I must have been a pesky little kid always wanting to help & learn to use the tools. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 2:22:18 AM | Well , I certainly believe in the right to bear arms.
However, I'm afraid that women can shoot a guy and claim "abuse" and get off pretty lightly or possibly completely .
So ..... how about a pea shooter? | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 6:18:42 AM | If just ONE more person types BARE ARMS instead of Bear Arms...I'm gonna petition for cancelling their NRA memberships. 
Shootings in which the woman claims abuse have to be proven out like any other reason. There must be Evidence of physical abuse, some pictures taken over time, hospital records of "falls", etc. A gal just can't say "He hit me so I shot him!!" without solid evidence to back up her claims. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 7:21:25 AM | Hey now, I have bare arms a lotta the time when I bear arms
I think the first time I shot a gun I was about 3 or 4. I was never allowed to take care of it myself back then. I was probably about 7 or 8 before my dad started showing me how to break down the guns I'd been shooting up till that point. A ruger mkII, a .22 bolt action, and an old single shot .410. At 10, I got my own shotgun, a NEA .410 single shot. It was my job to clean it, care for it, and store it. At 13 I got a Savage in 7mm rem mag, same deal. At 16 I got a Norinco SKS and a Dan Wesson in .357.
From there I was on my own, and I've never looked back. One of my carry guns has saved my life twice, and a couple of friends have used theirs to keep there selves, and us, alive.
Needless to say, guns aren't even that big of a deal to me anymore. They're like my tattoos, cars, my bed, my laptop, my house.... They're there, they must be properly take care of and respected, but I'm not obsessed with em. I DON'T leave the house without one. But I also don't leave the house without my Kershaw, Wallet, Keys or Blackberry. Or sometimes, without shirts that don't allow me to bare arms  | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 9:46:15 AM |
hat's just it - No one I know would do that. The fact that you bring it up suggests that you might make that association. To anyone familiar with guns, that concept would be too absurd to mention. Handing a 3-yr old a LOADED gun is absurd. Handing a loaded gun to an adult who is not familiar with them is equally absurd.
As with anything that might be dangerous, you start with the basic safety rules or Darwin takes over.
Guns are not toys, they are tools.
People are all-too-often conditioned to fear these particular tools. Look at the headlines in England; the word "gun" is most often followed directly by the word "terror". Here in the states its "gun crime".
Fear of guns is a direct result of being ignorant about them and being fed poor information about them.
this is irrelevant to what i actually said. My point is a 3 year old can't really understand the difference between a tool and a toy. Everything you give a three year old to hold and try out is basically a toy to them. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 10:32:53 AM |
...My point is a 3 year old can't really understand the difference between a tool and a toy... I disagree, especially if you want your children to learn about them.
I think it depends mostly on what you are teaching and how you present it.
With firearms & 3-yr olds, it would be appropriate to do a quick tactile familiarization along with introducing rules, limits, safety issues, then moving on to other things as attention span limits are approached. Closely supervised shooting sessions are appropriate if their interest (and ability) is there. Repeat as necessary over the years, adding more info & time as they progress.
Letting a 3-yr old "play" with a firearm beyond that gets into other territory, and may not be appropriate.
My personal views on firearms also limit my interest in games such as paintball. Due to my familiarity with firearms the thought of pulling a trigger on another person for entertainment has NO appeal what-so-ever! A paintball gun feels too much like a firearm to me. The ingrained safety rules make it hard to even point it in the general direction of a person, much less pull the trigger. That's done when you NEED to do it, not for fun.
Fun with firearms is exploding cheap store-brand soda cans at 400 yards & beyond, or cleaning a rack of falling-plate targets. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 12:36:09 PM | Wow guys, I am so sorry I ever brought it up. It wasn't meant to stir up the pot.
Please keep in mind it was just a story my mom told me with no vivid details because a nice guy I was dating at the time was so impressed at how well I handled myself with his guns.
Also Shrek sorry for the misspelling, it always tweeked my mom too. But I personally am much better with Calculus than spelling. She is crazy about Noun Verb agreement too, which I always seem to mess up. So I will work harder at read & review.
Have a light & easy layed back week & enjoy the beauty inside & outside your worlds. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 1:53:18 PM |
...My point is a 3 year old can't really understand the difference between a tool and a toy...
I disagree, especially if you want your children to learn about them.
I think it depends mostly on what you are teaching and how you present it.
With firearms & 3-yr olds, it would be appropriate to do a quick tactile familiarization along with introducing rules, limits, safety issues, then moving on to other things as attention span limits are approached.
This is a ****!ng joke, right? It rarely happens, but i'm totally with Luke on this one.
There is no excuse for giving a weapon to a child, no matter how much you try to educate them on it. They're a freaking toddler, for crying out loud! They should be playing with blocks and watching Dora, not playing with guns and learning gun safety. This is just lunacy.
If I were aware of a friend or neighbour who allowed their toddler to handle a weapon (loaded or not), i'd be calling Children's Aid faster than you could imagine, and trying to urge an investigation of their parenting skills. I'm sorry, if you think there is nothing wrong with providing a weapon to a child (Who will not understand that guns aren't toys...they won't. I don't care what kind of serious conversation you try to have with them about safety and whatnot...they're a child, for crying out loud!) then who knows what other questionable and unsafe things are happening in your home.
I came from a home in a town where everyone hunts. A simple sort of community. My dad is a bit of a collector of guns, as he hunts "anything with hair wool or feathers" (his words, not mine.) I knew how to shoot as a young adult. I even partook in skeet shooting on occasion. Do I enjoy that lifestyle? No. Do I enjoy gun culture? No. Do I think that in the States it's easy for any idiot to get a gun, and allow their child to have access to it? Sure do! I wish I could say that I have always been against guns, but being that I have possessed one before, I hardly think that would be fair, but I assure you that I think what you're doing is absolutey wrong and potentially dangerous.
This isn't to say that I think a child is going to go out on a shooting spree, but by allowing firearms to be a part of a child's life, you're definitely hightening the risk of accidents in your home. I understand that in some areas in North America, hunting is a huge part of the culture, but where I come from (and apparently in many states as well) you have to be 16 to have a hunting license, (and 18 to own a gun of their own) so I see no need for a toddler to be anywhere around a gun, loaded or not.
To answer the original question, if a grown woman wants to have a gun, I don't see how that would be a problem. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 1:58:58 PM | Lynn, you are far from the only one...
My mother was an english teacher...I guess I've picked up the Correction Gene...
I'm not terribly fond of the idea of three-yr olds with guns, but I've seen it work successfully before. Training from an early age in ANYTHING tends to lean a kid into virtuoso performance in later years. I'm still debating letting my 9-yr old start to learn past Nerf guns to advance to Airsoft...it's more of a confidence in his maturity issue than anything else. Best Army shot I ever saw started at age 5 and was INCREDIBLE to watch...he could have done a circus act. It's all in what you believe your particular child can handle and how well you train them.
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 2:12:01 PM |
If just ONE more person types BARE ARMS instead of Bear Arms...I'm gonna petition for cancelling their NRA memberships.
Yeah , you'd think it was "bare arms"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bear%20arms
bear arms.
bear[2,verb]
Main Entry: 2bear
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): bore \'bo?r\; borne also born \'bo?rn\; bear·ing
Etymology: Middle English beren to carry, bring forth, from Old English beran; akin to Old High German beran to carry, Latin ferre, Greek pherein
Date: before 12th century
— bear arms
1: to carry or possess arms
2: to serve as a soldier
— bear fruit : to come to satisfying fruition, production, or development
— bear in mind : to think of especially as a warning : remember
— bear with : to be indulgent, patient, or forbearing with
Shootings in which the woman claims abuse have to be proven out like any other reason. There must be Evidence of physical abuse, some pictures taken over time, hospital records of "falls", etc. A gal just can't say "He hit me so I shot him!!" without solid evidence to back up her claims.
Yes , "some evidence"
Let's just say that because of the politics of feminism , women often get the benefit of the doubt and a whole lot of sympathy .
While guys definately do not. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 7:03:16 PM | | Oh, I have to disagree with that one. Just because a woman carries a gun with her doesn't make her a "street punk". I personally own two, one of them is with me at all times. Being in a situation where I felt totally unable to protect myself I vowed never to feel like a "victim" again. My thought is........I'm going to make sure I can protect myself and whoever I'm with, I don't know that I can rely on anyone else to do it. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 7:51:28 PM | I, also, think it is smart for a woman to own a gun and to know how to use it. I live in the country, and I have a snake gun, a 45 and a 38. Don't shoot the small ones much, but I know they are here.
Sherry | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 8:28:05 PM | I would encourage it. I'm an avid shooting sports participant and would welcome a like minded partner.
Not to sound too chauvinistic, but women are typically the physically weaker of the species; a little help with self defense is always a good thing. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 8:59:05 PM |
There is no excuse for giving a weapon to a child, no matter how much you try to educate them on it. They're a freaking toddler, for crying out loud! They should be playing with blocks and watching Dora, not playing with guns and learning gun safety. This is just lunacy.
There was a time in this nation where teaching kids how to handle guns at very young ages was commonplace. Then again people at that time were much more independent and serious about retaining their liberty. 3 year olds know how to deal with or avoid many items that require special handling or that they aren't supposed to touch or can only use with mom or dad.
Somewhere I read or heard about the typical way guns were introduced to children in the 19th and early 20th centuries. It did start at a very early age. That was with a purpose so that it stuck in their mind. So they wouldn't be afraid of it, but respect it. They would learn proper handling and so forth.
I wish I had been physically introduced to fire arms at an early age instead of from this woman I dated over 10 years ago. She worked for the postal service and had a gun. I guess if that didn't scare me there's nothing about dating women with guns that will. Crazy behavior gun or not will scare me off. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 9:36:11 PM |
There was a time in this nation where teaching kids how to handle guns at very young ages was commonplace. Then again people at that time were much more independent and serious about retaining their liberty. 3 year olds know how to deal with or avoid many items that require special handling or that they aren't supposed to touch or can only use with mom or dad
Good point .
I think that everyone would agree that kids are definately NOT raised better in this modern politically correct age of blaming the gun . | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 9:46:18 PM | Handguns are illegal in Canada. Citizens are not allowed to possess handguns...or automatic weapons.
So if she had either, I'd safely exit and tell the authorities, no one needs a psycho, planning crazy shit. There is too much violence in Toronto as is, not only are prisons full of violent offenders, but there are violent types and murderers that are still somewhere loose. It's wise to be cautious these days, I'd like to believe that we can get to know our neighbourhoods, and be friends with our neighbours, and feel safe going to new places in the city. I think two of the biggest problems that people face are poverty and education. If people had better jobs or more income or more education then they would not feel pressure to resort to extreme measures, it's so much more fun to play chess, or go for coffee, or have conversations with old or new friends..anyhow anyone could be a crazy with a gun I suppose, regardless of financial bracket. Racist, violent people, people who start fights are all people that I avoid and if she had a shotgun or rifle, I'd really hope it was for skeet shooting or hunting purposes. Even then I'm not a hunter myself, but can sympathize with hunters who do it for hunger or food, but I abhor trophy hunts. Anywhoo, I dont like guns, so I think it would limit the relationship. If a woman owns a gun, she should tell the man at least before they start dating seriously. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/17/2008 9:58:37 PM | First off, a man shouldn't feel anything bad about a woman having a gun. If she has one she should be totally qualified to operate and carry it.
As with anyone, you should always know who you go out with. That would stipulate as to whether you carry the gun with you or not.
If you have a carry permit and can handle it, you should let him know that you do have one and a permit and ask how he feels about that. Some men I'd make sure and carry it! Other men I'd feel totally safe with
I would think it would be neat to go to the range together and show what qualifies you to carry it. Strut your stuff gal!
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/18/2008 12:29:02 PM |
This is a ****!ng joke, right? No Ma'am!
If it is not dangerous, immoral, or illegal, then teaching your children skills and abilities is what being a parent is all about.
Firearms are not dangerous when handled properly, and they are certainly not immoral or illegal.
So.... what's your problem?
There is no excuse for giving a weapon to a child... Any item can be considered a deadly weapon. Kitchen knives, Autos, ball bats, neck ties, pencils, pens, and rolling pins can all be used as a deadly weapon. By your own words, there is no excuse for letting a 3-yr old play with a pen.
Am I being absurd?
No.
People have been killed with each of these items, and people have been convicted of assault with a deadly weapon for using these items. The only difference between an every-day item and a weapon is INTENT.
My INTENT in teaching a child about firearms has everything to do with safety and nothing to do with using it as a weapon. They're a lot of fun to shoot, just like collecting stamps is a lot of fun to some people. I don't see that as "fun", though I don't get all bent out of shape about it.
So I ask again... what's your problem?
On a related note -
I bet you'd teach a teenager how to drive, or let one take driving lessons (maybe even pay for those lessons).
How could you possible teach a teenager to do that? Operating an automobile is THE MOST DANGEROUS thing they do! More teens and young adults are killed & maimed in car crashes than in any other activity. The carnage is truly horrible.
"If I were aware of a friend or neighbour who allowed their teenager to handle a car (driving or not), i'd be calling Children's Aid faster than you could imagine, ...."
Yes, this really is how absurd you sound.  | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/18/2008 12:30:28 PM | Noah, I suggest you re-read the handgun rules of Canada, if anyone has the proper license, they can own a handgun. There are, however, very FEW of those permits issued and those who carry usually have very legitimate reason to.
The list of Canadian banned weapons is LONG and varied, they wrongly classify many high-capacity semi-auto weapons as "Assault Weapons" when they are only the aforementioned. An assault weapon is a fully automatic machine gun. To call anything that is lesser that is a misnomer and improper use of the appelation. I'm sorry, but a .22-caliber semi-auto Skorpion pistol with a 30 round clip is just not an assault weapon...might be to a RABBIT...or a family of Squirrel...but that's about it.
There are stupid rules in the states as well...California actually banned the very weapons that the Olympic Team uses for pistol & rifle matches...COME ON!! How stupid can you get??? For that reason alone (other than earthquakes, floods, mud, & fires) I'd never set foot in that state again nor do I spend money with companies that reside in California. They can bite my big furry butt. | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/18/2008 1:21:18 PM | I love it, does not bother me one bit. Long as you know what your doing then its quite ok with me.
My mother carried a gun her whole life so im used to it | |
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| How would you feel about a WOMAN with a GUN?
Posted: 7/18/2008 3:24:24 PM | Kitchen knives, Autos, ball bats, neck ties, pencils, pens, and rolling pins can all be used as a deadly weapon. By your own words, there is no excuse for letting a 3-yr old play with a pen.
you really shouldn't give 3 year olds sharp, pointy things either....that doesn't make your argument any less idiotic.
bet you'd teach a teenager how to drive, or let one take driving lessons (maybe even pay for those lessons).
How could you possible teach a teenager to do that? Operating an automobile is THE MOST DANGEROUS thing they do! More teens and young adults are killed & maimed in car crashes than in any other activity. The carnage is truly horrible.
they are teens and not 3 year olds. Besides when is the last time the suffer of teen angst drove his sedan into a high school and mowed down 20 or 30 people. If cars are more dangerous than guns then a car should be sufficient to make you feel safe in your home from the many bloodthirsty villains and bandits. By your own, ridiculous convoluted logic.
Yes, this really is how absurd you sound.
why not start at 2, or 18 months old? why wait a whole extra year when they could be a jump ahead of the curve... | |
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