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Posted: 4/8/2005 11:52:01 AM | no disrespect fox, but i think you missed the point of what i was saying. Yes, alcoholism is bad. and pyschologically it can be bad for people around an alcoholic (family friends, etc), but we aren't talking about psyche problems . fact is, no single element in our society is responsible for more illness and death than smoking. that's a proven fact that is indisputable...as I said before, it's my job to know these things.
as for your point about pollution being bad. I agree. If it was commonplace to have a traffic jam of running vehicles indoors I would hope that the government would make a law against it..oh wait..they did...that's why mechanics run the exhaust to the exterior of the garage.
No one is saying that no one should ever smoke...or that smoking should be illegal. All anyone is saying is that it shouldnt be allowed indoors where others are exposed to it. Just like you shouldnt leave your harley running in the livingroom
everytime smokers or those defending try to argue this, they come up with ridiv=culous arguements comparing smoking to other things that are bad and saying "well, thats bad to , so why cant i do this." if we reacted to every argument in this way, imagine people saying "that big company pollutes the world, so why shouldn't i just throw all my garbage in the street".
same dumb argument
the day a smoker presents a logical, reasonable argument as to why smoking should be allowed in public will never come...because there isnt one. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/8/2005 12:06:44 PM | I agree that smoking is bad and people have every right not to want to be exposed. But I'm talking more about people that **** about it just to ****. I guess cause they think they are better than smoker's. But yet they will go stuff their face with a whole pie or eat things that aren't good for them. Obesity is the number one cause of preventable death in America.
For instance in a Cracker Barrell resturant they have a smoking section. If it is a busy day the non-smokers will got to the smoking section jst to get a seat. Look at some of the things they are stuffing down their throats and yet they **** about smoke. Another thing about this resturant is they have a fireplace and the fireplace is in the non-smoking section. To me it should be the other way around. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/9/2005 1:25:49 PM | once again..completely missing the point!!! what you or anyone else eats has absolutley no effect on others whatsoever. you cramming a bowl of gravy down your throat does not clog my arteries. you blowing toxins into an enclosed environment harms EVeRYONE in the room. obesity is bad..alcomhoism is bad...all these things are bad. smoking is the only one that effects others around you.
as for a fireplace...you be in a room with a fireplace all day and your pulmonary toxin lavels would rise less than if you sat next to a smoker for 5 minutes.
the main problem here, fox, is that your arguments are based on things you "think" or believe. Mine are fact...I'm a respiratory therapist..its my job. In my last post i made a simple comment...there is not one single, logical, factual argument that shows or illustrates that smoking should be allowed in public.
saying that obesity is bad does not mean people should be exposed to second hand smoke. the fact that cracker barrel or whatever has a fireplace, or that non-smokers choose to expose themselves to smoke is equally as inane an argument.because a few dummies don't care we should pipe smoke directly into the cribs of babies??
anyways...if you still feel that anti smoking laws are unfair, or whatever, then you have chosen not to listen to reason and will change your opinion. nothing i can do about people who choose to be blind. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/9/2005 2:08:54 PM | | I am not missing the point. Every single thing you said is true I belive this. What I am saying is that people that do not want to be around smokers because it effects their health should also consider other things that effect their health. If they don't want to be around smoker's because smoke will give them lung disease fine. But why aren't they just concerned about what they eat and drink. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/19/2005 10:06:07 PM | | I would never want a woman I date to have a heart attack or stroke or cancer. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/20/2005 4:17:44 AM | Smoking killed my mother.
I smoke occasionally. I would never want to continue to date someone who was a heavy smoker....but do not **** about others smoking near me so long as the smoke isn't in my face.
I can go days without a smoke, then I get on a kick and smoke like a regular smoker. <---That normally happens when I'm bored or stressed.
The only thing that annoys me more than a disrespectful smoker is a disrespectful non-smoker who preaches about it. Hello....smokers know the effects. They don't need to be reminded of how addicted they are. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/20/2005 4:21:06 AM | I'm like my mother.
We could sit and smoke a whole pack of cigarettes and never become addicted.
Do I enjoy dating people who smoke? Not really, but if I ever married a smoker I'd take out tonnes of life insurance (lol).
The only thing I dont like is the smell on my clothes and having the smoke blown into my face because I'm asthmatic. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/20/2005 4:23:55 AM | What are the rules about smoking now? You can only smoke in your house, under a blanket, with all the lights out? (thanks denis leary for that line).
Here in calgary you can't smoke on the patio, but you can smoke in the bar. Figure THAT one out. You can't smoke on the patio, but you can go on the other side of the little fence to the public sidewalk and smoke there. You can't smoke in the mall, but you can smoke in the A&W in the mall.
HUH?
I'm moving to portugal. My parents went there for their honeymoon and when my mom asked for a smoking room in the hotel they laughed at her. There is no such thing as non smoking. As soon as you land the plane and get out, you can smoke. On the tarmac, in the airport, in the government buildings, everywhere. The pretty much have sections for light, and regular smoking. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/20/2005 9:37:58 PM | Smoking causes DNA damage and weaker immune system, age wrinkling, and horse voice, plus makes my clothes smell like cigarettes. It's cool if you want too but I perfer staying away from it.  | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/29/2005 4:08:44 PM | | I don't care if they smoke around me, may it be at work or a party. What bugs me is when your being intimate and you have to make timeso they can have a smoke or right after. I think that would go right up there where the partner falls asleep right after. It just ****** me off. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 9/1/2006 6:42:49 PM | | how about the people that dont even date smoker but have to walk near it, thats not right, or eat in a place where the smoke is bad, or in my case i like to dance, so i can only stay less than an hr or i get so sick i thow up, so smoking should only be done in ther own home or own car,,,,,,,,,, thanks | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 9/1/2006 7:50:14 PM | I have that as a restriction on my mail settings, so even if they smoke on occassion they can't email me. Even if I didn't have severe allergies to smoke I wouldn't date a smoker.  | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 9/2/2006 1:43:46 PM | Here in Calgary you are allowed to smoke in pubs and bars, just not outside on their patio's!!!... how silly is that??
The Smoking debate is pointless, the non smokers will win that debate time and time again. Its to bad really that they cant make a better smelling cigarette just to shut up those who do not like the odor, I dont think its fair for the smokers to have to lose out on what they enjoy to make non smokers happy.
Either way smoke'em if ya got'em.. that coming from a non-smoker
A.T | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/8/2007 8:54:38 AM | | You smokers should be happy all these laws are being put in place . I bet it makes many smokers cut down their cigarettes . | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 4/8/2007 9:42:40 AM | | I think it must be something to do with where you hang out, or who you hang out with as only 20-25% of the population actually smokes. That number is higher amongst certain age or ethnic groups, though. Some people do lie about the habit, though, because they know most non-smokers don't want to date a smoker. I met at least one guy who claimed to be a non-smoker who turned out to be a chain smoker. I don't get it either. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 10/26/2009 12:00:46 AM | Lying about the habit is pretty dumb since it's a habit that you can't hide from
The smell will give you away every time ~ pretty lame to lie and it says something about a person's character
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| non smokers
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:20:40 AM | i stopped smoking...cold turkey...nearly 30 months ago...
it wasn't easy to not light up when in the company of smokers, but i managed to get through the first few months without giving in to temptation...
now, the smell of tobacco smoke isn't at all pleasant and i'll never light up a fag again...
it's hard to remember that i used to get around with smelly clothes, hair and breath because of tobacco smoke...
it doesn't worry me that others smoke...
but i'll never kiss a smoker again...yuk! | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 10/26/2009 1:54:16 AM | "Do you mind if I smoke?"
"Do you mind if I fart in your face?" | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 10/26/2009 3:18:27 AM | Congrats, Daffie!
I'm lucky I never started because I probably wouldn't have the willpower to give it up
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| non smokers
Posted: 10/26/2009 4:07:06 AM | I've never smoked and neither does any of my family.
My flatmate does however, and he reeks of it, it's disgusting. He's wasted so much money over the years and it can't have been good for his health. He restrains himself when my kids stay over and smokes mostly in his room and out the back but the smell sticks to him.
My girlfriend actually won't come over to my place because she can't stand the smell, it clings to everything.
In the scale of annoying things it's not something I'd be prepared to die in a ditch over, but we all make trade-offs with the people we co-habitate with. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 10/26/2009 6:25:41 AM | Perhaps it has something to do with where your finding them. Around me the only places left to smoke are bars, so if you go bar hopping you're in Marlboro country.
I actually like the smell of second hand smoke, as long is it isn't too concentrated (outdoors/breezeway) and the cigarettes are of decent quality. Kissing a smoker though, is awful. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 11/2/2009 11:34:31 PM | As a former smoker, I understand the defensiveness and self-rightousness of both the smoker and non-smoker. It is my opinion, and this was also my opinion during the last few years in which I smoked, smokers have no rights at all. Period. It is a habit that inflicts serious harm on your own body. It is a habit that pollutes the air that others breath, as well it pollutes the environment---nothing pleasant about sitting down on the sand at the beach or the grass at a park and seeing cigarette butts scattered all around you. Nothing pleasant about sitting down in a bar or cafe and having a smelly ashtray sitting in front of you. People who smoke smell. Their clothes smell, their cars smell, their hair smells, their homes smell. Bad. The smell is unpleasant and unappealing. I did date, once, a man who smoked. For six months. He rarely smoked in my presence, and he was exceptionally neat and clean about his person, so his breath and clothes and hair didn't smell much. But, I would not do it again. There really isn't any excuse to smoke, there is no justification for it. It's a bad habit. It is no better than justifying eating thousands of calories a day, being a couch potato, and weighing 300 pounds, and then needing a scooter to get around the grocery store or two seats on an airplane or handicappped parking. First you abuse your body, causing insurance rates to rise for everyone because of the medical repercussions of smoking, then you smell up and pollute everything, then you get high handed about your right to smoke? Seriously flawed logc.
This post is gonna make me so popular! :-) | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 11/3/2009 5:26:52 AM |
as for your point about pollution being bad. I agree. If it was commonplace to have a traffic jam of running vehicles indoors I would hope that the government would make a law against it..oh wait..they did...that's why mechanics run the exhaust to the exterior of the garage.
I'm a smoker who pretty well refuses to smoke indoors. But at the same time, don't you see the difference between indoor cigarette smoke and car/motorcycle emissions??? The former might result in some helath problems for you, while the latter will KILL you. Exhaust emissions are lethal. And yet every day millions of lazy people in Industiralized countries climb into their vechicles for the most mundane or frivilous purposes.
And who doesn't know the exhaust fumes are there??? The odor is pretty strong to me, especially at intersections. Then there are all of those pretty pavement "rainbows". And have you ever noticed some of the wicked city sunsets we've all seen in our lifetimes? You want to know what makes them so wicked? That big thick cloud of smog that hangs over our cities, our tourism driven coastal cities no exception. And you can't just step outside to get away from it, cause outside is where it is. Ever see the lunges of a non-smoking rural person as compared to the lunges of a non-smoking urban person? BIG difference.
Now, I'm not saying that smoking isn't bad. Or that anyone should have to suffer anyone elses secondhand smoke. But no one should have to suffer another's second hand smog either. So as far as concern for public health goes, there are most definitely much filthier habits and much bigger fish to fry than cigarette smokers. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 11/3/2009 7:08:58 AM | The point of the thread was how does a non-smoker find someone who in turn is a non-smoker.
This whole back and forth of smokers being evil and non-smokers being self-righteous has been done to death. It's a vicious non-productive cycle as an argument. In my childhood, EVERYBODY was exposed to second hand smoke 24 hours a day. Certainly it wasn't good for our health, but the current logic being handed out about second hand smoke killing bystanders would indicate that the human race would have long died out before the 70s ended.
Why are more people getting sick and sicker in today's health conscious society than in the past?
To the point of the post... I am a smoker working to be a reformed smoker. My preference is to date a non-smoker because then our dates and time together would not include smoking and provide activities away from the habit thus making quitting a greater possibility. Being a smoker naturally I'm not going to hold anything against another but when dating a smoker, smoking is part of the activities and quitting becomes a greater challenge. | |
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| non smokers
Posted: 11/3/2009 7:35:00 AM |
"Do you mind if I smoke?"
"Do you mind if I fart in your face?" How can you possibly think that those two questions are equal? How horribly rude...
I'm a non-smoker... actually, I've quit smoking almost a year and a half ago. The people I know that smoke, respect me and the fact I do not smoke and when they are here visiting, they immediately offer to go outside to smoke. If it's just one or two, I light up a couple of scented candles and get out an ashtray. I have no issue with people smoking at all.
I have a relatively large get together happening this weekend, and because quite a few smokers have been invited, I'm ensuring that they have a room to smoke in that will be well ventilated, well heated and comfortable for them to go to for their cigarette breaks. After all, I'm inviting people that I know are smokers to take part in an event in my home... I should accommodate my guests shouldn't I?
Respect goes two ways... | |
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