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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 12/31/2006 11:15:50 PM | I think most cops are ***holes. My exerience here proves it. I was threatened by a neighbor on several occations with witnesses but the police falied to protect me. I had to move becaue of him. I have been threatened with a gun by an officer two years ago. I reported it only to be harassed even further. I have filed numerous complaints and retaliation increased. It was only when I moved and started taking different routes to work that the harassment stopped. The judges always side withthe police just to get you to pay reidicolus fines and therefire their salary. It's a corrupt system. I do not and will not ever trust cops. If someone threatens me, I'll take care of it myslf. If the cops won't protect me, then they won't protect those who threaten or steal from me either.
If you are a cop, don't even bother trying to convince me otherwise. It's too late. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/1/2007 5:49:12 AM |
Granted, we expect more from our police officers, because of the authority they are given. With authority comes responsibility, as well. We are held to a higher standard. But we are still human.
If you think about any field, there are good workers and bad workers. There are dedicated persons and scammers just out for themselves. There are honorable persons, and there are some people that cross boundaries. It makes it worse when it is someone that you are turning to because they are supposed to be there to protect and serve.
Have you ever been to an enterprise where one representative was knowledgeable and helpful, and another was rude, inept, or dumb as a rock? Police are no different, sad to say, and sometimes it is the luck of the draw in the police officer lottery, as to which officer you get.
Yeahbut, I can vote with my feet in the first instance-- I'd probably have to get an expensive lawyer to contend with the second.
One incident from my youth will alwasy stick with me in re. cops. An older gentleman in the community who didn't particularly care for teens twisted a few facts and made false statements to a local power-tripping cop who held similar opinions of folks like me with long hair. When he couldn't find me immediately, he went to my parents with the false story and I ended getting kicked out. I stayed with friends for a few weeks until I cleared my name by presenting irrefutable evidence to the contrary, but I never did get my fine money back and they never charged the man making the false statements with anything. I never got a sincere apology from the cop, either-- it seemed to me that his attitude was 'oh well, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time'.
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And I can give you more stories if you like.
Cops sometimes have agendas which bear more similarity to frontier justice than upholding the law, and woe is you if you get caught in the crossfire.
There's an old Latin saying: "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes." (Who is to control the authorities?") I know *I'd* sure as _hell_ hate to live in a country with no checks and balances against the power of the police. As much as you police **** about lawyers and the courts, you have as much as admitted that those checks and balances are vitally necessary by acknowledging the police themselves sometimes have serious shortcomings in their average ability to administer the first leg of justice.
-Kerry O. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/1/2007 8:32:39 PM | Ms: "Mostlykitten". . . . . Sooooooo, poor pretty lady was out somewhere, and everyone around her was speeding (including her apparently, because she was "trying not to be a road hazzard") and she received a $245.00 a few days before Christmas. Let me guess, do you have a really poor driving record? You didn't mention if you did or not. Did you look at the male officer, and attempt to flash your pretty eyes at him in hopes that he'd give you a warning, even though your car was tracked at something like 80 in a 55mph zone??
Did you further tell the officer that you know some other officer in hopes that he'd give you a break? Did you also flash some skin on some pretty parts of your fabulous body in hopes that he'd give you a break? Did you also try some lame sob story about why you speeding like, "gee officer, the reason I was speeding, is because I have to take a sh!t, and I have to get to a restroom quickly" or maybe the other I've heard sooooo much in the past, "Gee officer, I think I just got my period, and I have to go to a restroom right away" Did you offer the officer a "gratuity" like. . gee officer, I'd do just anything to get out of this ticket, and I mean anything!!"
Or did you actually tell the officer the trueth?? "yes officer I was speeding like heck, just because I knew there were a heck of a lot of other drivers out here nearby going as fast or faster then me, and I was just hoping you'd stop one of them instead of me". Do ya get the idea I don't feel sorry for ya? Good, you got the message darlin! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/1/2007 9:07:22 PM | "Nocturnalprincess". . . . . I don't know how you officers do your reports, but when we did them, I ALWAYS made an extra report copy for myself. It only took one time, (prosecutor or someone, somewhere) lost my report, and in those days, they weren't computer generated. We typed them back then, and made copies on the copier machine when necessary. So because a report was lost, I had to stay and go to court, and I worked the night shift back then. Not fun.
As far as that young girl that got socked in the eye by that officer, and you allowed her to see it. Well, we all have stories to tell, but I can only bet that the officer who arrested her told you she put up a fight, and he didn't have a choise in how to subdue her. I remember myself and my Sargeant stopped this car, and the female driver (age 15) had no drivers permit, and she'd stolen the car from her mother, after she beat up her mother, because her mother wouldn't allow her to go to a concert in my town. Well, when we got her out of the car, she was like 5'2", maybe 105lbs, and she faught both of us very well.! She was very fortunate that it was me and the Sargeant, because we believed in the correct procedure of only escalating in response to escalation from an suspect. So, she didn't get hurt.
Hope you had a safe and happy New Years and Christmas! D. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/1/2007 9:19:16 PM | It's been said earlier, but needs to be repeated.
"We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce those laws."
~ Hunter S. Thompson ~
I don't "hate cops". I don't hate anyone. I despise cops!!! Hate is too much energy to put into anyone that I personally don't give a flyin' F about!!! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/1/2007 9:26:34 PM | I like cops...they have helped me when I needed it...unfortunately here there are two that are****...one is just a rude ass and very disrespectful...I learned that from working with him. The other was nice enough to yell at me one night in front of all the other officers when I asked what I should do about my dad, who was in trouble at the time. You could tell the others were embarrassed. I was told the next time, just refuse to speak with that person and ask for someone else.
So I try not to hold the actions of those two against the rest of the force. Respect is needed on both sides. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/1/2007 11:32:05 PM | Ben, first, it's encouraging to hear that you're providing some sage counseling to younger officers. Good on 'ya.
As for people 'hating cops'...I suspect the more accurate term is 'wary'. And for good reason. A police culture is only as good as the enveloping cultural (political / civilian) context that supports it. If civilian and political oversight is good, then the power that is invested in police will likely not be abused, or not abused too much. Unfortunately, that overseeing culture is very often deficient to one degree or another. Case examples: I know personally of a number of activist friends in Vancouver who have been targeted, beaten up, jailed, and run for years through the courts on trumped up charges. In Toronto, I know, again personally, of defense lawyers who have told me of hair raising stories of the likes of Palestinian activists who have been picked up and guns put to their heads. These sorts of 'terrorist' activities may be confined to a 'few bad apples', but if they are placed in context with the kinds of brutalities that are a matter of public knowledge in Saskatchewan (where men were driven to the outskirts of town and left to freeze to death by the police)..then no one should be too surprised.
There is another aspect to 'policing, Ben, which I doubt you will have considered (not meaning this as a putdown, just by way of info) and that is the *institutional* role of police vs their individual role. The institutional role of police has, then, always been twofold: First, the defense of the status quo, meaning power and privelege and property. Second, law and order and justice. I cite the two in this order consciously, for if one looks historically and cross-culturally at times of social 'crisis' (i.e. protests, general strikes etc) the police will invariably jettison the second principle in favour of defending the first. This is an axiom amongst social and political activists who know it instinctively and at 'fist' hand so to speak. Amongst the general working class, such explicit political awareness is rare...but that doesn't mean there aren't deep, more or less subconcious eddies tending in that direction.
And, of course, no doubt a significant amount of 'hatred' of police is mere projection of personal juandice onto the nearest / most salient authority figure. Still, the other considerations are always there. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 5:01:10 AM | Hey Ben, I'm sorry you have been offended. Last time I called an officer, he couldn't stand infront of my door...that's how dangerous it is now; but I wouldn't open my door until he identified himself. When I see the lights flash and sirens going off, I always say a prayer for their safety. Most have treated me well, even when I was a teenager drag racing down main street, LOL. Have great New Year. ChosenLady   | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 7:24:31 PM | Here is a true story:
At least two years ago, we got a call for a vehicle going eastbound in the westbound lane of the freeway. Officers located the vehicle, and rather than it being a drunk, it was a severely disoriented elderly male, who was about an hour away from home and seriously lost.
A road boss gave the guys permission to drive this man home. One drove his car, and the other followed in the police car. They had to get on the Ohio Turnpike, and these guys dug into their own pockets to pay the tolls.
There was another time when my partner and I were flagged down by a concerned citizen who had discovered a lost motorist in a bad area of town. He was a WWII Veteran.
We did not have to go quite as far, but we gave him a ride home, to secure his safety.
Art drove him in his car, and I followed in the police car. Art said that he could have listened to this man's stories forever!
When we got him home, he invited us in, and showed us all of his photo memorabilia from his time in the Service, and every picture had a story. It wasn't a busy night, so we had the privilege of indulging him and ourselves. He was a widower. He was delighted to have someone with whom to talk.
Before we left, I gave him a warm hug and a kiss on the cheek, and you should have seen this man beam! I believe in the healing power of human touch. Such a small gesture on my part clearly meant the world to him! My partner teased me about that one for the rest of the week!
I wish I had held onto his address to send him Christmas cards, a very lonely time for many.
I know | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 7:45:36 PM | I don't know where that "I know" came from at the bottom of the last comment!
RTRD...
I once had to arrest a twelve year-old girl, after she kicked her mother in the face.
I had to do some finagling, but I was able to release her to her aunt rather than take her to Juvenile Detention for Domestic Violence. The sad reality is that many kids actually wind up worse after a stint in DH, because they learn new bad skills. I tried to get permission to take this child on a tour of the jail, but it is against procedure, so my request was denied.
The women in the holding cell actually wanted to help this child not wind up where they were in life. After treating her "like a criminal" I took her back into the Sergeants' Office, took off my Biotch mask, and I talked to her. She cried, and cried. Her father died when she was seven, and as the eldest child, she was a pseudo mother to her younger siblings while her mother went to work. She was angry at the loss of her father and at the responsiblity that had been thrust upon her, and crumbling under the pressure of "motherhood" when she should still be allowed to be a child.
I told her that the reason that I had been so harsh with her was because I didn't want to see her wind up in our funky jail.
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For the Haters:
I hear stories all of the time about officers that coerce sexual favors from prostitutes, in lieu of arresting them. I don't know if they are true or not, but I do know of a man that I went to the Academy with who lost his job after enough women got tired of giving out the freebies and lodged complaints. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 9:50:44 PM | noc princess;
Officers located the vehicle, and rather than it being a drunk, it was a severely disoriented elderly male, who was about an hour away from home and seriously lost.
I realize that you thought you were being kind to these two elderly gents. However, had it been a younger person you would have undoubtedly ticketed the above man for reckless driving. I think you should have ticketed this older man as well. He obviously should not be driving. Here in California, not to long ago, an elderly man killed a dozen people when he plowed into a 'closed to traffic' street.
It is not, in my opinion, an act of kindness to let the sort of thing you speak of above go as a mere harmless incident. These guys should not be driving; it's a privilege, not a right. Maybe if you'd given him the type of ticket he deserved he would be rethinking if he should still be driving.
Not more than a month ago an elderly man in a grocery store parking lot rammed his car into a woman's cart shoving her into her trunk and injuring her arm........he got out of the car and said, "I don't know where I am". I told him he should not be driving. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 9:56:55 PM | Nocturnalprincess: I've noticed that a lot of times on this site, you bring up instances where you or another officer helped someone, extraordinary messures to be sure. Well I'm here to tell ya darlin. People who read this stuff between you and I or other cops who've helped others, don't comprehend that the things we've done, is far and away from the call of duty. I could give several examples of things that I myself did for people that was unexpected from the general public. But the fact is, we as police, often have to arrest people for crime that even we don't want to do. For example. . . the last arrest I made before I retired, was a young man who'd escaped from a jail if Florida. Now he was in Northeast Ohio, and I found him hitch hiking on State Route 303. How did I know it was him?? Well believe it or not (and found this hard to understand) he still had around his neck, a chain and plastic card identifing him as an inmate at the Florida State Prison!!!!). He took it off and threw it away from him when I approached him, but I already knew he was wanted, because we'd already found his friend who escaped with him. And believe it or not, he also had his prison id on him as well. But he forgot to throw it away!! Anyway, this kid (age 19) had escaped so he could come to Ohio to say good bye to his father. He was approximately three miles away from his dad when I arrested him.
I took the kid to the office, called his father (who I was familiar with) at his place of work, and asked him to come to my office. Why did I do this?? Because it meant something to this kid. This kid was now facing a much longer and harsher sentence upon his return to Florida. And I figured, the least I could do for the father and son, was to give them the opportunity to talk to each other. The father couldn't believe that I would contact him, and the son . . . . well, he'd never met someone like me. A person who understands. Now understand this my Nocturnal Princess, people like you and I are rare. We understand the human needs and human nature. And we don't go out of our way to harm others. I hope you always remain that way darlin! It's important to the general public, and its a great example to other officers. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 10:29:06 PM | theadra,
I agree with you.
But there are other means, other channels, other avenues.
Taking an elderly person to jail doesn't solve the problem. There are elder resources, and there is also a form that can be filed which requires a doctor's release before that person can retain their driving privileges. A privilege and not a right is so true.
I actually requested that an officer that found my Dad in his rolled over car after a diabetic incident file that form. Dad was furious, and he would probably never forgive me if he knew I had requested it.
I hate to take away an elder's mobility and independence, but at some point the deteriorization of motor skills becomes a safety hazard, to both the individual and the public.
Still, to place them in a cell with a bunch of crackheads isn't going to solve anything any more than taking them home and trying to learn more about their family and situation, where you might find a better avenue to help them not get behind the wheel. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/2/2007 11:21:59 PM | Police officers are not very smart. They were not smart enough to go to vocational school. They are generally bullies. Think about how simple minded and naive you have to be to
think that police work is anything but thug for hire. Sorry, but look at the young marines in Iraq . They are young and violent men without education. Get an education, guys. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 1:15:37 AM | noc princess;
You're putting words in my mouth; I said nothing about taking them to jail, although now that you bring it up that would have been better than just ignoring the fact that he was an incompetent driver. This is what I said.
Maybe if you'd given him the type of ticket he deserved he would be rethinking if he should still be driving.
Pirate;
Your opinion is tactless and ignorant. Police officers today can't rise to a Sergeant's position without a college degree. A lot of men in the military are in there to serve and protect us and our country; also in order to obtain an education that they would not be able to afford otherwise. My nephew served in the Navy, went to University, became an engineer and has a master's degree. Interesting that you don't list your occupation.
As I've said before in this post most Police Officers are good men. Wonder how you'd feel if we knew your profession and for the sake of argument we'll say you're a plumber......and I were to say........all plumbers are stupid a$$holes, who in their right mind would want to do work that involves coming in contact with shit. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 1:10:07 PM | I commented earlier in this thread about the reasoning that certain people are using when posting their thoughts; specifically I commented on generalizations.
Stating all Cops are bad because those Cops 'you' have dealt with have been bad is weak reasoning and argument. Conversely, stating all Cops are good on the same basis is equally weak in terms of reasoning and argument.
It would seem that too many people hate all cops based on this type of reasoning. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 2:44:21 PM | theadra,
So you are suggesting that we should have cited them and sent them on their merry way? Cited and sent or arrested are our options, basically.
Also, for the record, one doesn't have to have a college degree to become a sergeant, lieutenant, nor captain.
Pirate, for the record, I have a BA, and graduated cum laude, and I am neither a hired thug nor a bully. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 5:22:48 PM | My tenant, who stopped paying the rent, came home one night and threw something right through a closed window. It broke the inside window and the storm window.
I called the cops......
When they came they told me it was his house and that he could do whatever he wanted..... | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 7:28:12 PM | "Pirate": Let me guess, you didn't know that today, people who strive to become police officers, must obtain at the very least, a Bachelors degree in criminal law enforcement. I went to Maryland University for my degrees. . . what degree do you have?? And as far as being a bully. . . no, I wasn't ever a bully type. I wasn't picked on in school either. And by the way, I was in the Marine Corps, protecting your rights to be here on this forum saying what you want to say.
"Nocturnalprincess": You know in your own mind that you did the right thing in regards to your previous postings. See, people just don't ever have the whole view of what we see, what we do, and why we do certain things. Just as I don't completely understand why a doctor has to use different stitches to close different kinds of wounds, I watch and see that he is performing his job, and wonder what he's doing and why. But we never learn exactly why he did what he did, unless we go to medical school, or it happens to be mentioned in a tv program. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 7:39:29 PM | | "Mustangsally2642": I'm curious, so I have some questions for ya. When the officers arrived, were you present? Did you actually talk to the officers yourself? To your knowledge, did they talk to the person who damaged his own residence at all? Do you know why the male damaged his property? Did you talk to the property owner yourself? Did the officers talk to any of the neighbors about the gentleman involved in damaging his property? Did the officers leave almost as soon as they arrived? What if anything, would you have liked to see the officers do, to make the incident come to a conclusion that you'd be comfortable with? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/3/2007 9:49:20 PM | ""Pirate": Let me guess, you didn't know that today, people who strive to become police officers, must obtain at the very least, a Bachelors degree in criminal law enforcement. I went to Maryland University for my degrees. . . what degree do you have?? And as far as being a bully. . . no, I wasn't ever a bully type. I wasn't picked on in school either. And by the way, I was in the Marine Corps, protecting your rights to be here on this forum saying what you want to say."
Even if that were true, the criminology course is lower than vocational school. Basically, a BA in basket weaving. Police officers are glamorized thugs. An arts degree in criminology does not change that. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/4/2007 12:04:27 AM | | I am not about to read all the replies to this post, far too many, but had to toss my 2 cents in anyway. I do not hate cops but I certainly don't trust them. The police force out here is corrupt enough as it is. But I have had experiences when I needed the police to protect me and they didn't. One situation where I was raped by an exboyfriend when I was 19, the officer flat out told me their was no point in pressing charges because it was my word against his. Another situation, my neighbor threatened to kill my children because one of my kids was swearing(the 3 year old who had heard the words but didn't yet understand they were wrong to say). We had witnesses, the officer came spoke to him and then told me to keep my kids indoors for now on. That was it! So as a result I am now moving to ensure my children are safe. I am sure there is good cops out there, I just have no experience with any. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/4/2007 12:25:57 AM | noc princess;
So you are suggesting that we should have cited them and sent them on their merry way? Cited and sent or arrested are our options, basically.
I've noticed that in most of your posts if one does not agree with you, you become combative and sarcastic. I'm not going to respond in like. Yes, you had another obvious option and that was to cite the gentleman AND do exactly as you did, drive him home; an act of kindness, exceptions to the rules are always appreciated.
Also, for the record, one doesn't have to have a college degree to become a sergeant, lieutenant, nor captain.
It is a fact that one certainly has to, here in California, check it out. Also, interesting that rtrdhrny, msg 270, also a Police Officer and in your same state, Ohio, agrees with me. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/4/2007 4:09:28 AM | theadra,
Oh, yes, that makes so much more sense! Thanks for clearing it up. Offenses are either waiverable or require court appearances. Let's give them a citation, and have them drive 50 miles either way to court and back!
Getting their information and requiring a doctor's release to allow them to continue to drive seems to be a more active solution, but you seem to seek to punish.
Oh, excuse me, there is my sarcasm again. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 1/4/2007 6:16:40 AM | rtrdhrny~~~~
It is difficult for me to answer your questions because I am the property owner and landlord. Yes, I was present when the police arrived. I did not call the police. A neighbor called.
This guy did not damage his property. It is mine. He was my tenant.
The police officers said that it was his property since he was renting from me. That's the rub. Plus, he was under the influence. The incident happened at about 4 a.m. I live in the house alone and was left to deal with him on my own.
I believe he did this in retaliation to an eviction notice that I had given him.
Yes, the officers talked to the neighbors and found out that he had a party almost every night and was a nuisance.
I would have liked to have seen him charged for damaging my property or perhaps arrested for drunk and disorderly or disturbing the peace. As it was, nothing was done. The police told me I had no rights.
I realize I said that I called the cops in my previous post. Upon further reflection, I remembered that it wasn't me who called but rather a neighbor. Sorry to have mispoke. | |
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