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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/12/2007 12:21:13 PM | At least for now, I am in a different niche, so no one chooses to HATE me.
I am on a 1-man car, whereas most of our officers are 2-man cars. I respond to situations where you have been violated and need a report. I do the report, I provide you with your report number, and I give you any and all advice I can give.
I have told people with "Place Entered" reports that if they notice any additional items missing, to call me at the District and leave a message, and I will respond to do their supplemental report (for insurance) without them having to call radio and play the waiting game. Of course, I know I am the exception.
If I get a call for a parking violator in front of a home, I run the plate, and if it belongs to a resident on the street, I make every effort to bang on the door of the listed owner before writing a ticket, to get them to move the car instead. If I get no response, I have no choice but to write the ticket, and if the violation is particularly flagrant (blocking another's driveway), then I have to tow the vehicle.
Where has common courtesy gone?
I hear tell of the Old Days, where people borrowed cups of sugar, and now so many people have no respect for one another, and then they call the police, and everyone winds up hating us, no matter what we do!
For the people that are ranting about getting tickets, well, I am not a ticket writer. However, did you commit the violation(s) for which you were cited? Think about it! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/12/2007 12:37:24 PM | Hating cops is easy in a small town. We have a female officer here who has what I call the "little persons syndrome". She is just over 5'5" inches tall and most people she sees and has to deal with are much much bigger. When she makes a stop, she goes out of her way to be rude, obnoxious, and nasty. But she KNOWS she has the power to create any scenario she wishes and a judge will listen to her long before they will to a defendant. A perfect case for this took place about a month ago. She was in one of the local bars, offduty, and drunker than a skunk. She took offense at what someone said to her, pulled her gun, and slammed him in the side of the head with it. The resulting of all of it was that she was let off with a warning and NO reperations had to be paid to her victim. Cops have too much power, and no real controls placed on them when everyone knows that a cop will be believed over anyone no matter what really happened.
Even the cops who almost killed Rodney King were let off lightly even though they were caught on tape. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/12/2007 1:11:37 PM | If she was drunk, then that is Firearms Under Disability. That would be enough for her to lose her job.
I am only 5-04, on a good day, and I think I weigh @ 125 now since some recent life stresses, and I do not treat people in a bad way.
A couple of nights ago, I got called, as a female, to assist with a narcotics raid and search the females in the house, where the pulled something like 51 guns out of a house. The situation had been going on for quite a while before I was called up. I had no idea to what I was responding and only that they needed a female officer, and I happened to be the only female working.
When I walked in the house, I looked at the carpeting. "Is that blood?!" Earlier, I had heard the call for a dog shot, but did not put the two together.
I looked around and asked who shot the dog. The guys executing the warrant stated that the dog attacked them when they entered, and sadly, I am inclined to agree with them. Apparently, it was a large dog, and there is no guarantee that pepper spray will stop the threat.
I searched the two young women in the house, and helped monitor the suspects, until they were done with their inventory and ready to take the suspects to jail.
The mother of the Prime Player came home to her home to find all of this chaos. Apparently, the dog had been her pet for 20 years, and he did what a dog is supposed to do: Protect his Home!
She looked at her 20 year-old son, that had already been in and out of prison, and said, "I knew better than to let you back in!"
I was the last person out, and I mumbled to her so that only she could hear, "I'm really sorry." Her home was tossed, her kid was on his way back to jail, and her dog was shot dead, and there was her dog's blood on her carpeting.
Regarding Rodney King, he was high on wet when he was arrested. I must take some middle ground on this one. Until you have had to try to subdue someone high on wet, it must look like brutality. Now they call it ED (Excited Delirium). Try fighting Superman with no Kryptonite! It is insane and crazy. Even cuffed, they still seem to keep fighting.
I do think that at some point these officers' adrenelin did get the best of them, and they probably did carry it to the next (unnecessary) level. However, some of what was perceived as brutality was merely a desperate attempt to subdue a subject with superhuman strength.
Do I think the cops got excessive? Well, yeah? Do I think their initial seemingly brutal actions were excessive? No, I do not, and that comment is based upon experience.
There is no describing trying to restrain/subdue someone that is high on wet, as they have superhuman strength, feel no pain, and are completely out of control.
Am I justifying Rodney King? No. I am just offering a different perspective. I am not out there to hurt anybody, but I do want to go home at the end of my shift! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/12/2007 3:08:48 PM | | No matter what the circumstances or what she could or should have been charged with, no charges were ever filed against the female officer for what she did in that bar. There are 20,000 people living in this town and not one of them was dumb enough to stand up and fill out a report against the cop though because they know that in a town this size, the first time they did, they would have the entire force breathing down their necks every time they walked out of their homes. The evidencewas right there on the side of the guys face to the tune of 16 stitches to close him up but a small town judge let the cop off with a warning and the actual victim was told that he needs to learn to control his mouth. Like I said, way too much power without any of the checks to keep a cop inline. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/12/2007 8:13:52 PM | For "MS1970": Any police officer that would pull a stunt as you describe deserves to lose their job. I have to wonder though, what that person said or did to provoke her attack with her weopon. I'd have to know the actual whole story to make a call on that. However this is certain. If she did it, there were witnesses, and it was unprovoked. . . . she loses her job, no questions asked. If however, he made some kind of a threat, like he threatened to harm her later, or if he threatened to harm her family, I have to take that into account. Does anyone know exactly what he said to her?
For "NocturnalPrincess": Most people never saw all of Mr. Kings' actions. They didn't see how the police officers tried to subdue him, and he faught them all off, and proceeded to attack them. He was a large male. They weren't certain why he had so much power, and why he didn't go down when taizzard. If the average person is shocked by one of those things, they go down and stay down. He kept pulling out the darts, and trying to attack them! They utilized every tactic they were taught, in order to arrest him safely, and without being harmed themselves, and every time he got up and attacked them. They became confused, (because people aren't supposed to do what he was doing) and they then strengthened their attack to make the arrest. It was the only thing they knew to do. A person on "WET" is absolutely the worst to control. I met one in the middle of town, and I was fortunate to be able to arrest him. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/12/2007 8:54:48 PM | rtdhry,
I got tasered, voluntarily, a couple of weeks ago. Tasers are newly being introduced into our Department. I was completely immobilized, and that SH*T hurt! If I knew what it felt like, as I now do, and I used that intermediate tool to subdue a Suspect, I would resort to "By Whatever Means Necessary" if not "Deadly Force."
I wasn't a TomBoy growing up, and I am still far from it, though a lot more durable through Life's lessons. I do not understand women wanting to play tackle football, but I do understand women wanting equal job opportunities. I never got in a fight in my life growing up, because my Mother raised me that ladies do not fight.
Then I got on this job. The very first and second fights in which I was ever involved (and most of them in hindsight) involved people high on wet. The first time, I was a rookie, within my first year on the Job. Guy was fighting, and I barely knew what was going on. We called for back up, which fortunately got there speedily, but it seemed like a long time.
I pepper sprayed the subject. In my terror, I sprayed him again, and then again, and it had absolutely no effect...on him. It ricocheted off him onto me, and blinded me. By that time, the Calvary arrived and pushed the blind squirt out of the way (me).
As they finally had him cuffed, the squirt (me) who could barely see, crawled into the zone car and began to pull on the cuffs and his arms to try to get him in the police car, while it took eight large men to get the cuffs on him in the first place, and they were on the other side. He would not get in the car, and all he kept saying was, "Ow! You're hurting my hands!"
This was my first fight. Had I not experienced this first-hand, from the outside I would have most certainly thought it looked like brutality.
"MS1970", This is the 21st Century. If there is corruption in your police department, there are mechanisms of control. The conduct of that female officer of which you speak is inexcuseable, although I am sure her victim was not entirely innocent, but still did not deserve to be pistol whipped. I am in the City and not a small town, but there are avenues bigger than local politics to address corruption. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/13/2007 5:48:00 PM | Hey,
Personally I have nothing wrong with police officers , however it does seem that these days they arent very intrested in actually catching real criminals. I mean real criminals , not people going 35 in a 30 mile and hour limit.
I suspect it is simply to do with them having more "targets" to reach each month | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/13/2007 9:56:32 PM | | For "NocturnalPrincess": Tasers have been out for years, and your department is just now going to them? We first got them back in the mid '90's, and every year after we got them, we had to have classes about them, their use, and how to use them. I got very tired of being tasered!!! Just like training with your weapon, or a PR24 nightstick, the different chemical sprays, the CPR/AED. . . . . it was always training, training and most of all, more training. All because of some state requirements, or some pending litigation. We handled incidents and investigations ourselves, from burglaries, thefts, rapes and other major crime scenes including deaths, because we didn't have detectives to do it. And again, because we did all that, we had what else to look forward to??? MORE TRAINING! The last month before I retired, know what I did? Went to Richfield Ohio for a class about crime on computers and identity theft! Don't think I'll need that now though. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/13/2007 10:02:13 PM | To many posts...obviously a deeply controversial issue you have hit on OP.
I commit one crime and I admit it freely. About 4 times a month (on a friday or saturday night..IF I'm in the party mode) I will take two hits off the doobie offered me. Thats it. I don't speed. I don't steal. I don't drive drunk.
Now, do you consider me a terrible criminal? ...just setting the stage here.
Long before I started smokin pot ( I've only been doing it for about ten years) I witnessed police abusing their power repeatedly.
Once, as a nurse caring for a patient fresh from surgery, two thugs came in flashing their badges demanding this patient who was still under anesthesia to be placed in their custody as he was an escapee from a half way house (his crime was stealing from Kmart and selling the stolen goods to a hock shop...none of us knew this until the end of the story). They wanted to take him to jail. We kept telling them he could not be released without the doctors approval. When the doctor arrived and realized what their "headset" was...he refused. He and I did not get along until that moment when he realized I refused to cowar at their commands and bow to their badge but rather remained the patients advocate until the doctor arrived. We managed to keep them at bay until their shift was done and the next two cops arrived. What a difference. They had been warned about the "hostile" nurse. But the patient who was now wide awake and eating a macdonalds hamburger with them (that they had provided) spoke up for me and then turned to me and said these guys were cool. I turned to the two new cops and asked what was with Mr. and Mrs. Rambo...they almost spewed their hamburgers across the room. Apparently the two previous cops had a reputation even with the other cops.
Good Cops/Bad Cops....the problem is we as the public NEED AND WANT to trust you. You have the power to wear a gun in public and use it. You have the power to slam me up against your car screaming at me to assume the position. You have the power to do this before you find out I might be the victim.
My sister and I liken you to a highly trained attack dog...on a short chain...and the links are breaking more times than not.
Its a thankless job...its a tough one...more police people need more counseling. Its hard to be responsible and be in the line of fire and alot of your kind power trip to much and give the rest of you a bad name.
Then it makes it difficult to trust.
Peace,
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/14/2007 8:48:06 AM | WS~
It is a thankless job, and I feel like an outsider even though I am on the inside. I hate knowing much about humanity or lack thereof that I know.
Before I babble, that is all I can say for now.
Rtdhry, we are also just getting computers in our cars. Yep, we are just now getting Tasers. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/14/2007 11:10:31 AM | ^^Tasers? Oh great.... just another way to "mantain order" *mumbles under breath*
For the most part, I think its our justice system and the way "justice" (Pfft)
is carried out that people dislike. Since it is our officers that inforce that crap, well...they are unliked by some. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/14/2007 10:17:03 PM | Generally most cops are people like us. You have a bad apple that can't spoil for the rest of the good cops. It's a high stress and thankless job and they do deserve some credit for trying to protect our communities. But there are some cops who have no sense of fair play.
The same cop who runs around writing traffic tickets all day is probably the same cop who has his friends and family's tickets squashed because he knows the cop who wrote them or someone in traffic court that can make them disappear. If you're going to be a cop don't be a hypocrite is all i'm saying. Upholding the law applies to everyone including the police and their families themselves | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/14/2007 10:27:23 PM | | I have to agree with you on this one... There seems to be a double standard. I understand the job that they do is very important. However, are the cops getting slack on the job catching the criminals? Why has our citys crime increased the amount that it as.... yes, a part of it is due to the population increase, but that's not all of it... I am sure that there is much much more .... | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/17/2007 9:50:06 PM | | For "NocturnalPrincess": Computers. . . . . sure wish we'd had them when I worked. We didn't get them until right after I retired. I had training for them, you can be sure of that! But I never used one. I worked closely with my boss, to get a federal grant to get them for our departent. The last month I was there, they arrived. And it takes a little time to put them in the cars and make certain they work properly. The training has to be scheduled, so everyone is there. Its a lot of work, but worth it, because it takes a lot of load away from overworked dispatchers. And for those that think that this is another thing that police will abuse, let me say this. As soon as an officer logs into the computer, his name goes into a permanent file. He can't get to it in anyway. So, everything he "runs" on the computer, is logged into his file. And the punishment is only the loss of his job. They made that very clear to us, because they wanted it made clear they won't stand for any BS. Oh, and they also said they'd file felony charges against any officer for missuse of equipment and so forth. But still, used correctly by officers, it is a great tool. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/17/2007 11:02:10 PM | In response to your post Saddlebackguy, there are MANY more criminals than there are cops. We can only be in one place at a time and we can only try to prevent the crimes we see or arrest the suspects we can see/catch. Oftentimes our hands are tied by court rulings and WE have to follow the LETTER of the law. Interpretation is a job for the courts. Why is there an increase in crime... the reasons are legion and unfortunately some are IMPOSSIBLE to cure, I wish it weren't so. Since the day that man partook of the forbidden fruit (breaking God's ONLY law) the crime rate has been rising, the only break we had was during Noah's flood.
I don't have the answers to crime, bad cops, bad laws, bad politicians or most of the other maladays that plague our world. I just keep on doing the best job I can and treating people as I would wish to be treated in similar circumstances. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/20/2007 10:34:25 AM | I dont really hate cops. Just ones who abuse their power.
I will give a couple examples.
There is a bar i used to hang out at. We would usually get there about 11:00 PM, drink till 2:00am, get carry out beer and drink it in the parking lot for a couple hours before walking back to my friends house. Yes. This is illegal i guess but we had permission from the owner and was doing so on his bar property.
One night when we were sitting there drinking, we saw a cop car pull into the lot. he was talking to his buddies for about 20 minutes. We were kinda watching them and noticed their friends passing them beer into the squad car. After they drank with their buddies a bit, they rolled by us and made us dump out all our beer. We did so kinda pissed at what we saw and started walking to our friends house to sober up. Then the cops roll by us assuring us it was ok for us to get in our cars and drive home and that they wouldnt do anything. They were basically trying to lure us into our cars to get a few DUI busts.
Another example is my Ex girlfriends father. He is a detective for a city right outside of Detroit and a total alcoholic. Drinks straight vodka on the job even. one night he was so trashed driving home from work, he got into an accident. He didnt even know where he was. They stuck him in the drunk tank for the night and let him go the next day without paying bond. next thing you know, the charge disappeared. No fines, no restricted license, no classes, no court. He completely got away with drinking and driving because of who he was. I even lucked out once after a few too many because my girlfriend said who he was and what department he worked for. I broke the law and got away with it because I knew a cop.
He was nice to me. He even put an FOP badge on my license plate so other police wouldnt pull me over. Needless to say some ass in Warren Michigan pulled me over one night and took the FOP tag off my car saying I was not alowed to have it even though her father said i was allowed to.
Last but not least, I would like to talk about an old pal from the Roseville MI police department. You see he came into a bar I worked at some years ago, got all drunk and was groping the ladies in places he was not supposed to be. We escorted him out of the place and told him not to come back. He knew who i was from back in the day when he was the hall monitor at Roseville High School.
After that, he made my life hell for a while. He pulled me over every chance he got and would write me pointless tickets. Once he wrote me up for 10 over with a seatbelt ticket when I never went over the speed limit aned was wearing my belt. Now this was a january morning when I was on my way to register for college classes. There was about 8 inches of snow on the ground and i was driving in morning rush hour in a 1978 Firebird. Now that car had problems running through an inch of snow let alone 8 inches. It's rear wheel drive with no weight in the ass end. Almost impossible to drive in the winter let alone doing 50 mph during rush hour in all that snow.
I could go on and on about things like cops making me walk home after they took a police report of me being jumped in a park when i was 15. I asked for either a ride to the hospital or an ambulance. You see I needed 6 stitches in my lip and had a concussion. I had to have people walk me home and my parents drive me to the hospital.
Now i know not all cops are bad. i have a friend who is a good cop but there are many bad cops as well and i think that explains the hate. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/20/2007 5:44:10 PM | Really, OP, I think it comes from peoples' teenage years. A lot of law enforcement officers do not treat young people with respect. Thus teenagers start to dislike the police. When these teenagers grow into adults, these feelings do not go away.
My uncle is a police officer. I try to respect them, but sometimes it's difficult. I come from a small town in Ohio, and a lot of time the local law enforcement was bored. They spent a lot of time harassing the local youth.  | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/20/2007 6:50:26 PM | I began my police career working in the toughest District in the city.
I remember a woman had found her stolen car on a street not far from where she lived, and the column had been peeled. This is a very impoverished area. Neither the woman nor I had any clue how to get the car running and back into her driveway.
There so happened a young gangbanger on the street, who probably should been in school. In my desperation, I asked him if he knew how to start the car. I told him that I didn't care how he knew and I wasn't trying to jackpot him, but I was really just trying to help this woman. The kid was leery, but I plead, "What if this was your Mom?"
I have taken children into stores and bought them soda pop, chips, and cookies.
No, I am not Holy, but I am human.
I try to be cognizant of my behaviour towards others, and very often am accused of being too nice.
Granted, there are many police officers that seem to have forgotten that they were Civilians before they got on the Job.
On the other hand, there are also a lot of people that spit on us and disrespect us daily, so where does it begin and where does it end?
My reality is that if you have a license and insurance and have not caused an accident (violated anyone else) you are most likely going to say goodbye with a warning. However, if you begin to M-F me, then I am probably going to write you a ticket, because courtesy goes both ways.
I know of a guy that received an award, because he heard a woman screaming and thwarted a rape. A bunch of us ran into a burning building and Stan and I carried a woman out down three flights of stairs.
"S"got involved in a pursuit chasing some felons with guns. The felons got apprehended, but not until their car rolled and he was pulled out unconscious right before the vehicle caught on fire, trying to protect the public from these pieces of garbage.
Yes, we have arrest authority, and a responsibility to articulate probable cause in our reports. Are there people that take advantage of their positions? Look at all of our politicians? Corruption is everywhere, and temptation is the lure.
I can honestly say that I have a clean conscience. But I also wear my heart on my sleeve.
And for the record, when I get out of the zone car and tug at my Duty Belt, I am really not trying to look like Barney Fife, but the belt weighs about twenty pounds. LOL
We have to make decisions on a dime and then be judged by them after hours of deliberating.
There is a book called "Fixing Broken Windows" which has the premise that if you fix the one broken window, the rest will not wind up broken, figuratively speaking.
I try really hard not to be a butthead, but I can be if those are the rules you start by which you start the game.
I remember another time, once again the wrong place at the right time, there was this big fight in the parking lot of a bar. Guy did not resist at all, and admitted he was being a knucklehead. We had the call, so I had to do something. I had him in the back seat of the car. I basically told him that he F*ed up, and I had to write him for something: Public Intox or DCI. He chose the former. He had ID, so I plead with my Sarge, gave him his ticket and was given permission to drop him off at home.
All I am saying is that even though there may be as many butthead cops as there are in the general population, please give us all a chance to be fair before you judge us by the uniform we wear, and the car we drive, just like the chance I try to give everyone that I encounter.
I have pulled people over and pulled up alongside of them, which is a tactical nightmare, and asked, "Do your headlights work?" I have been fortunate to get thank yous and not been shot in the face, and hopefully prevented an accident. "Be safe, and have a good night!"
JMHO. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/21/2007 10:40:41 PM | For: "ra7593": In the state of Ohio, it "was" illegal to display an FOP (fraternal order of police plaqard/emblem) on any vehicle unless the driver of the vehicle actually was a member in good standing with the FOP. Now, the reason I say "was" is, I've been retired for over 3 years now, and I don't know if that was repealed or not. I do know that now, people who wish to display license plates that have the FOP emblem on them are now allowed to, IF they are members of the FOP in good standing (that includes people who are not police officers). The plates are different in that the FOP emblem in incorporated within the plate, like the letters and numbers of the plate. A plaqard in Ohio, usually is a round seal and is attached to the rear vehicle plate with a bolt and nut. The FOP has or is in the process of doing away with those plaqards that were being put on everyone's vehicles. The reason of course is, that police officers were putting them on not only their vehicles, but also people like you, who happened to know someone affiliated with the FOP. And people who displayed them, were using them (the plaqards) so they could commit traffic violations and then hope that officers that saw them do so, would give them warnings instead of tickets. Well, that worked that way for several years. The FOP got tired of that.
Also, back when I drove a cruiser, if a vehicle was stopped and the FOP plaqard was displayed, and the driver was not a member of the FOP, an officer could require the occupant to immediately remove the plaqard. If the occupant refused to comply, then the driver was cited, and the car towed. Total costs for this could exceed $250.00 (towing/ticket and court costs). Did I do that? An awful lot of "ifs" comes to mind. If the occupant was related to an officer, was his girlfriend, mother, father or other next of kin, then no. Now then, if someone like you came along, might I be a prick and ticket and tow? Depends on the person I'm dealing with. That person treat me with respect? That person not cussing me out? That person totally honest with me? Then no. I carried tools, and helped the person remove the plaqard. Then the plaqard was sent to the FOP.
Regarding the drunk detective. He was your ex girlfriends father I think you said. Maybe you don't know it, but lots of folks are alcoholics, including him. But it doesn't seem right to you, that all he got was a night in the drunk tank instead of all the fines usually associated with that violation. He got a break, no question about that. But many people not associated with police are given breaks. Even you have been given breaks according to your last message. Is he undeserving of a break because he is a cop? He is first and foremost, a human being. And I'd bet, that even if he wasn't a cop, he'd be given at least one break for the same offenses. I gave hundreds of breaks to people not affiliated with police. And I arrested some police officers in my time. But they gave me no choice in those arrests, so I don't feel any remorse for them. I won't speak of the officer you mentioned from Roseville. Remember, that no matter what job people happen to have, some people are just @ssholes. They dress in different clothes, wear different hats, are different races, and they are still @ssholes! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/22/2007 2:46:52 AM | A lot of inner city children have negative opinions of police because they have seen the police take one of their parents to jail.
Another thing that is very common is for parents to tell their little ones that if they do not behave themselves that police officer over there is going to take them away to jail.
As I said in my previous post, I began my career in a very bad section of the City. When one is on Probation, they pretty much have to do whatever their Field Training Officer (FTO) tells them, so long as it is not illegal. I was on the Midnight Shift.
My FTO was driving, and as we rounded the corner, there were a few twenty-something guys tossing a football on the street. This was not a busy street, and it was a side street. My partner told them to get out of the street. The young man said that they were not bothering anybody, they were not being loud, and all they were doing was tossing around a football, and why doesn't he go after some of the drug dealers that stand on every corner?
Well, it turned into a P*SSING match, because my FTO ordered him out of the street, and he told my partner that he was being a jerk (which he was) so I guess my partner was feeling disrespected. I had to write the ticket, because part of his job was to teach me how to write tickets, so this man got arrested for Disorderly Conduct, in front of his wife and little kid. He wasn't intoxicated and he was employed, just tossing a ball around on a nice Saturday night..
At the police station, my FTO found an obscure code for "designated play streets," and "I" also had to cite him for playing football on the street. Obviously, this man thought it was a bunch of BS, so he did not pay the citation. After dictating the ticket to me, I had to go back into the jail and get this man to sign it.About two years later, I got a subpoena for the case, as they found the warrant when he was pulled over for a traffic offense. (Warrants never go away until you die, and the last thing you have to do for a DOA is to run them for warrants to get them out of the System.)
When I saw the man in court, I apologized to him. I told the Prosecutor exactly what happened, and the Judge thought it was ludicrous and threw it out. On the way out of the courtroom, I apologized to him again. I don't know what would have happened had my partner gotten the subpoena instead of me, but since "I" wrote the ticket, I was the one called to court.
In my mind, there was no reason that the aforementioned should have escalated like that, and no reason that man should have spent the night in jail, nor been in court on the day I saw him again.
I suppose one way of learning the Job is learning how NOT to do it? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/22/2007 3:13:54 AM | | My complant and noctural you know i have stated i dont hate cops. But why do cops pick on us truckers for a little over the speed limit but allow people in there passenger cars to drive anyway they please . Seems the response i always get from a cop is your supposed to be a pro but i will tell you it gets old being a pro driver geing picked on by cops cut off by cars and treated like a piece of dirt everywhere u go because your a trucker how do the cops think their gear got here it didnt grow legs and walk here now did it or how about all the disrespectfull car drivers out there. so i guess what iam trying to say is your not in the only hated respectful profession out there | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/22/2007 11:23:38 PM | For "Mudflap": I'm almost certain that you wanted NocturnalPrincess to address questions about police versus truck drivers. Well, I don't know about her, but I've actually driven trucks before. I've also done traffic stops on some trucks for various violations that included being overloaded, equipment violations, equipment malfunctions, and also (of course) speeding violations. The very first thing you learn about a truck when you are about to drive one is, just how big they are, and how hard they are to stop. And if loaded to the gills and beyond, that makes them even harder to stop. That's why it is imperative that the driver of the vehicle knows its and his limitations, about how fast he can bring the vehicle (while under control) to a complete stop.
And that's also why it is important that the vehicle be traveling at the speed limit, so its easier to bring the vehicle to a complete, under control stop in an emergency situation. For all the times you've seen cops sitting in their "chicken coops" running radar, think about how many times you've seen them leave their "coop" to pursue a truck. I'd bet that 30 to 40 trucks (or more) goes past the cop without being stopped for every one that is stopped. Thats because of radar detectors, and CB's. Everyone knows that, its nothing new. And most police officers/"Staties" give speeding cars and trucks some allowance as to how fast is too fast. Personally, I hated running radar. Its far more dangerous then people realize. However, when I saw a truck coming toward me, obviously overloaded (tires bulging outward), and speeding, then that's a vehicle that must be stopped as soon as possible.
So, a truely professional driver will do the following for their safety and those of others that share the road. Do the speed limit. Refuse to drive an overloaded truck. Check all equipment, making certain it all works properly, and get fixed anything that must be working properly. Most drivers work for companies, and will do whatever it takes to get the load delivered. Don't let the company presure you into driving an unsafe vehicle. Don't let them presure you to complete a delivery faster then it can safely be delivered. Don't falsify your logs, police know what they should read.
Don't let those idiot fourwheelers, that like to cut in and out of traffic, drive you crazy. Real people in those cars, and lots of them don't exercise very good driving abilities, especially around trucks. I'm sorry you and other drivers feel picked on by police officers. You can not possibly know the difficulty in telling a loved one that their truck driver husband died in a vehicle accident. I don't drive a cruiser any more, but I'd rather give some driver a ticket, then tell his wife he's dead. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/23/2007 8:31:34 AM | There are the guys who serve and protect, and there are the guys who write tickets.
There is an officer that comes by the sports bar I frequent bout 15 minutes before closing and stands outside. When someone staggers out the door, he tells them "Don't even get in your car. If I find you on the road, I'll write you up for DUI."
I have given many people rides.
And most of them learn not to overdo it without a chauffer.
Other nights, other cops park 2 blocks away and wait for the drunks (and catch them. at least 1 anyway.)
Who has protected the community better? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/25/2007 7:13:17 PM | For "grignon": That's a very very good question. Who has protected the community better? You will be very surprised at my answer. Lets start at the begining of things to find out though. On a small department, the officer arrives at work, and knows he has 25 square miles to patrol, and he's the only officer on duty to take care of that area, and 2500 people within that area. Sounds crazy, right? It's true, it actually exists! An officer of a larger department arrives at work, and knows he has only a district to patrol, and that it is around 10 to 15 square miles, with as many as 1500 to 2500 people within. But he also has lots of other officers within that district to patrol that area with him, so if he's taken out of service, to handle some incident, its not a big deal. Why is that so important? Because its a huge difference, in whether or not the small town officer can afford to take the time to do certain things, like take a drunk driver off the road. Often, when the small town officer is off the road, no one is paying attention to the businesses, no one is available to handle other calls, and if he is handling a drunk driver, he will be tied up a minimum of 2 and a half hours on processing the drunk driver.
So, if the small town officer, goes to the sports bar, and tells drunk patrons not to drive their vehicle home, he's helped that person, and the community as well, because he's still doing his job of keeping drunk drivers off the road, and he's still available to handle other incidents as well. So as not to incense Mothers Against Drunk Drivers I say the following as well. It is against the law to drive drunk, and I've arrested several. It is a part of every officer's job to do that. And I hated doing it. Because I worked my car alone most of the time, I had to work harder then the big city guys. And now adays, an officer must do certain things during a drunk driving arrest, so the arrest is successfull in court, and not thrown out for various reasons. And believe me, defense lawyers can find a multitude of reasons of how an officer wasn't successfull in performance during the arrest. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 4/25/2007 7:37:14 PM | Well...
In "theory" they are on duty 24/7, so if they come to my place and see anyone toss back even a little moonshine...busted!
So we have this party and I have some illegal fireworks and...busted!
I downloaded an .mp3 file using Limewire...busted!
Watered my lawn during a ban...busted!
I don't smoke it, but lets say I'm having a party and someone gets baked...busted!
Does anyone else see the pattern? That's one reason why people don't like or won't date them. Only one of the many reasons...
Cheers! | |
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