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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 1:13:55 AM | Carolina,
Some of the people that claim to hate the police are the first to call the police!
When they get "assaulted", when the leave the car running or lend it out for crack, when hey fail to supervise their children, and even (I am not kidding!) when they got robbed while trying to buy or sell crack, we get report runs!
There are people out there that only like the police when it is convenient to need the police. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:59:22 AM | A friend of mine from high school married a cop. He started as an officer and now a captain. She is a very judgemental type woman ( she was this way as a kid too and her father is a cop)... who thinks she is better than anyone else and she married a cop who seems to be the same way. A coincidence? hmmm.. maybe but many cops I have run across in my life have a bad personal attitude as if they are smarter and better than others. I think they deserve each other and now they can chat endlessly about how everyone sucks but them !  | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 8:58:21 AM |
There are people out there that only like the police when it is convenient to need the police.
No matter how bad it has ever gotten for me, I've never called the police.
Also, can you please quote the part of my message that was a personal attack on you? I can remember ASKING whether or not you'd ever broken the law or seen it broken by fellow officers. I had to ask three times, but after you finally answered it, I let it go. How did I attack you personally? Just curious. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 11:22:48 AM | I've never seen a time when a cop did something good for someone else. Don’t get me wrong I’m sure there are good cops out there; I’ve never met one who wasn’t drunk off power. Then again I live in a nowhere hick town. Just seems like every time someone really needs a cop, their nowhere to be found.
-vg420-
"Jesus got my Bullets!" | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 5:03:49 PM | I admit that in my youth I was not the best behaved kid around but I needed help not cuffs all because of my history now when I try to abide by the law I still get slammed around in all my life I have only once recieved help frm an officer it was a date gone terribly wron and I was able to wave down a passing officer and he gave me a ride home and yes I am gratefull but when I got cuffed and maed for trying to tell the truth beaten and dragged off my own property laughed at and then left with a known psyco yeah I think I am going to loose respect for the badge my whole family has suffered from lack of action on the rcmp side and even in my wrk place many of them come in and push their weight around and yes I'm down right sick and tired of it | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 5:29:10 PM | For "drg1301": So, you expect me to believe that you were stopped for a speed violation of 3 miles over the limit, and then asked by officers if they could look inside your vehicle (described as a 1989 Ford work truck, right?) . Every officer I've ever known (especially those who like writing tickets) would NOT waste their time for such a violation. Why? Because it will be thrown out of court. Why? Because the money generated by the fine would be minimal at best. Why? Because it makes the officer look stupid, and denigrates his reputation in a court of law. Why? Because while he's wasting his time writing that violation, some truck driver, operating an unsafe vehicle slips by him. So no wonder I don't believe you were stopped for such a violation. Again I wonder (because you didn't address this) if you have a past criminal history that officers are now always told about every time they stop you, via their computer screen? And yes I know you have every right to tell me to go pound salt, and not divulge whether or not you have a criminal history or not. However, you should know by now, that whether or not you like it, a persons past comes back to haunt them. And police will ask if they can look inside your vehicle, based on your past history. Doesn't mean you have to let them (without a warrant), but you'd be compelled if they do. You wanted to know why they do that, even though they have no Probable Cause (PC)?
If an officer has suspicion that the person he/she has stopped for a violation is in his area to burglarize local residential areas, and this person has a past history for doing so, then they should ask the driver if they can look inside his vehicle. If you lived in a neighborhood that was being burglarized by someone described as a white male who drives a Ford work truck, (and maybe you were also a victim), then you later found out that police stopped such a person and didn't ask to look inside his vehicle, you'd be the very first person asking why they didn't. I've discovered stolen items in vehicles many times that I didn't even know were stolen yet, based on either knowing the person I stopped, or because my dispatcher told me the person has a criminal history for doing this or that. And yes, I simply asked, would you mind letting me have a look inside your vehicle? Several years ago, my friend and I met at a Sohio gas station to get a soda. While there, we saw two males, with their cars hood up, and they were looking at the motor. Their car was parked near the pop machines. I went to the pop machine, and saw they machines were broken into. I asked the two males with the hood up if I could look inside their car. They replied, yes. Under their floormats were hundreds of dollars worth of coins from those machines, along with their tools used to get in them. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 5:50:32 PM | | For "Mudflap2": So, based on my response to drg1301, you decided to take it personally against me? Nope, wasn't some little fat boy. I played sports all the time, and kept my physically fit condition. And my mouth never got me into any trouble I couldn't defend. The real reason you decided to pick on me, is you didn't like the post when I replied to you earlier. Did you get yourself in some trouble with the law in the past? Oh, and if you didn't like my post to mr drg1301 in the past, you'll positively love the one I recently posted. You remind me of some trucker I stopped and gave a warning to, only to later hear him bad mouthing me on his CB radio after I let him go. That's ok kid, you dish it out, I can handle it. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 6:28:43 PM | rt if it helps I posses a CCW.So that should answer your question about a proir history.
And as I said before a persons priors wouldn't pass for probable cause anyway. A first year law student could beat that. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:04:13 PM | | For "drg1301": So, you have a prior for carrying a concealed weapon (CCW)? Well, don't be surprised if cops (if they stop you in the future) call for back up after stopping you (some departments its mandatory if they stop someone who has a prior like that). They'll only see that on your history, and go directly into self protection mode. That's because they don't know the circumstances about why you had a CCW, and what the weopon was. They may even get you outta the truck and pat you down some (self protection mode). And I hope you understand that, they don't know you, and they deal with people who'd pull a gun on them for absolutely no reason. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:10:18 PM | rt That is a concealed carry permit. Please don't act dense. I am fairly certain that it was rather obvious. As I am sure that you undoubtedly know if I had any priors then I wouldn't have a permit.
I can see where you made the mistake though. You was concentrating on priors and assumed. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 7:26:25 PM | I don't have a hate for cops, or anyone for that matter, especially hate someone based on their profession. In working in Probation, I work a lot with law enforcement. I have seen that many people dislike them until they need them. I think there are good and bad people in every profession. They have a tough job. Sure they have an attitude sometime. Lets say for instance they just came off an investigation on the molestation of a child. They pull you over for a simple citation. They aren't likely gonna be real nice and giddy. I can't say I blame them. Most of them, I feel are "people persons" they love interracting with people, they love to help. Why else would they have a job, with so little recognition, so little pay, and risk their lives every single day to "serve and protect" even those that hate them.
As far as men hating cops, it may be a little jealousy. A lot of women are attracted to men in uniforms. Personally, I'm not. The uniform does not make the man. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 8:04:05 PM | | For "drg1301": In the state of Ohio, CCW means carrying a concealed weapon. So, when you told me that, yep, I understood the worst. So, you have a permit. Don't ya think that police are gonna see that you are carrying the weapon per the rules of the permit according to the rules/regulations of your state? And in the state of Ohio, if you don't have a felony record, you can gain a gun permit. So, a person can have some priors of some circumstances, and still receive a permit in this state. I don't normally assume stuff, because it can make an ass outta me. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 8:22:04 PM | | For "NocturnalPrincess": That last line really sums it all up. "People only like the police when its convenient to". How true that really is! I knew a woman who positively hated me, that lived in the town I worked for. I'd stopped her three times asking her to please get her exhaust system fixed. I'd even arranged for the local guy to give her a break on the cost of it. She simply refused. I finally ended up writing her a citation for it (per orders from my Chief. He stated I was too easy with her!). So, one day, her boyfriend stole her car! Her boyfriend was some attorney. I got it back for her. She was out bad mouthing me at a nearby restaurant, and I walked in and told her I'd recovered her car for her. All of a sudden, she gets up and hugs me! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 11:37:58 PM |
As far as men hating cops, it may be a little jealousy. A lot of women are attracted to men in uniforms. Personally, I'm not. The uniform does not make the man. I don't know anybody who hates a cop because they are jealous of the uniform not that it is'nt feasible . I'll be honest here the only thing that absolutely makes me jealous about cops is everytime i go the local dunut shop it seems like the whole police force is always in there helping themselves to FREE donuts and coffee | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/6/2007 11:52:57 PM | Chuck,
I will accept a free cup of coffee, but I always put the extended courtesy into the employees' tip jar.
For the record, I hate donuts, so I guess that means I am probably not a very good cop? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 2:45:51 AM | The reason I dont like cops is cuz out really stupid tickets when they could be out doing some actual work like catching drug dealers.
I lost my lisence for a month because it was pitch dark ( no buses in the loop) and I had turned into the bus loop and got a stupid fine. Because of that I lost my license for a month. My only other preivious ticket was two years ago.
There were two cops at the station just sitting there ticketing everyone who drove in the station. The car beside me got a 350$ fine (not sure what for but i over hurd the price)
Cops imo, just try to get there "quota" for the month and dont care what they ticket people for anymore. I think arresting someone for an actual more serious crime them driving in a bus loop is more important.
I do not "hate" cops, I just think they should pay more attention to what is going on in the world or in the province.
<just my two cents> | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 9:35:05 AM | HockeyBabe,
Driving is a privilege and not a right. I have already mentioned that I do not write many tickets, especially to insured motorists that have not caused an accident, and I do not have a quota.
I am primarily a report car, but I could do traffic if I wanted to.
[...they could be out doing some actual work like catching drug dealers/]
That statement gets very old.
So, the next time I get a run to go do a telephone harassment report or a broken window with no suspects that is a go nowhere report and not even made for an insurance claim, should I tell them that I do not have time to deal with their petty reports because I have to go out and "do some actual work like catching drug dealers."
Another thing about doiing traffic is that it is a way to catch a bigger fish, but that doesn't mean that there cannot be more warnings extended to persons that made a minor flub and did not cause an accident. Again, driving is a privilege and not a right, and if you make a flub the police have every right to pull you over.
If one runs a light or a stop sign and the police investigate, then find that the driver has no license, no insurance, numerous outstanding warrants, and drugs in the car, by virtue of making the traffic stop, the police did do "some actual work like catching drug dealers."
One night, my partner and I got a call for a man asleep at the wheel of his car, and he was stoned. He had so much crack cocaine in his pocket that he was indicted federally. The Feds picked it up rather than our local jurisdiction because ot the quantity. Had it not been for traffic, he would not have been caught. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 3:40:55 PM | | dont hate cops but it seems like many people who feel the need to use their powers against others chose the copcareer, thats why i dont like some cops cause they are just about to misuse their job to feel important by misusing their "powers"(LMFAO almost sound like we are talkin about some cartoon heroes LMFAO) | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 4:48:33 PM | Rt I noticed something in one of your posts I would like to ask you about.
They may even get you outta the truck and pat you down some (self protection mode). And I hope you understand that, they don't know you, and they deal with people who'd pull a gun on them for absolutely no reason.
Are you saying that you feel it is all right for a person with priors to be treated in such a manner over a traffic stop, without justification for such action besides the fact that a person has a prior?
If so then I am sympathetic for anyone with a prior in the state of Ohio. A pat down in a minor traffic stop without any more justification then the fact that they had a prior has to be against their civil rights. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 6:50:44 PM | I love cops. They are the friendliest group of people you will ever meet. Always a good joke, wanting to make you laugh.
Hey, if a cop is having a bad day, well that is okay with me...
I am bias, I have law enforcement in my family. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 7:03:40 PM |
IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF TEXAS
NO. 412-99
PHILLIP GEORGE O’HARA, Appellant
v.
THE STATE OF TEXAS
ON STATE’S PETITION FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW
FROM THE FOURTH COURT OF APPEALS
JIM WELLS COUNTY
Keasler, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which McCormick, P.J., and Mansfield, Keller, and Womack, J.J., joined. Mansfield, J., delivered a concurring opinion. Johnson, J., delivered a dissenting opinion, in which Meyers, Price, and Holland, J.J., joined.
O P I N I O N
After a Department of Public Safety trooper stopped Phillip O’Hara’s 18-wheeler for a traffic violation, O’Hara accompanied the officer to the patrol car. Consistent with his routine, and without fearing O’Hara, the officer patted O’Hara down for weapons before letting him into the car. We must decide whether a pat-down search can be justified as a matter of routine and whether an officer must be afraid before a pat-down search is justified. The answer to both questions is “no.” | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 7:23:35 PM | drg,
I hope you also checked out Terry Stop. Any time that an officer is investigating a crime, even a misdemeanor which traffic is, except that DUI is an escalating misdemeanor, they can do a frisk for weapons. Terry vs. Ohio set a precedent.
I think this trumps just articulating that one was in fear. As I said in my email to you, I am fair and I try to help people, and I believe I even have better resource referral material at home than I can find at the police station. I follow up and I do call backs, but that is me.
If the man was under arrest, even for disorderly conduct, then a pat down and a trip to jail would be justified.
I think you understand from my email to you personally that I am not justifying any power tripping individuals, and one of the things is articulation.
On that note, there was a man that ran a bar in a very bad area, and he was arrested for CCW after pepper spraying a bunch of his clientelle, because he did not have a permit.
My partner and I both went to the prosecutor, and told him that to carry a gun in that area was prudent and reasonable. They worked out a plea on the CCW.
If I randomly selected fifty people from the street, I know a lot of them would be buttheads. Same thing with police. But I also agree with the masses that it is really offensive when they have power that they abuse and misuse and have arrest authority.
Hey, now, I am one of the good guys, okay? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 8:01:36 PM | For "drg1301": A police officer has one specific right that I will never give up. His right to go home after his shift is over, just like someone who does any other occupation. Therefore, if I have to check a person that I think may have a weapon of any kind on them, I will. Let me rephrase that. I used to. I don't have to anymore. And, I don't miss it one bit. I can tell you that I've arrested many people, both male and female, who had been arrested for serious criminal offenses in the past, and found them to be holding weapons on their person. The laws of the state of Ohio are clear on this. If you are a convicted felon, by law you are not allowed to carry concealed weapons. (You can go online to the Ohio Revised Code, and look at section 2923.13 titled, "Having Weapons Under Disability") Why? Because many felons have this tendency to use their weapons against law abiding citizens for their own devious reasons. . . like murder!
And no, a pat down to check for weapons by law, in the state of Ohio is allowed for the protection of the officer, and the public in general, whether or not the person has a prior criminal history. No one gets hurt in a pat down, and if the subject being patted down has nothing to hide, like a bowie knife, or AK47 on them, then its all good. A pat down is not is not an arrest, but merely a procedure to protect the officer and others. Does a pat down happen often, even if the subject has a prior? No, not that often. But when it does happen, its for valid reasons. Would you rather that a police officer not check a person, turn to go back to his cruiser and get shot in the back of the head? Or the subject (that was stopped) misses his intended target (the officer) and shoots some innocent bystander? I hope not.
One more thing. if you happen to fly, then you go through police/security screening. When they are waving that wand to detect metal objects that is exactly like a pat down. Only difference is, that it is not a person touching another person checking for weapons, but the result is the same. We live in a world today that we can not trust others as much as we used to. The unfortunate result of this is, that police have to be more diligent in their job. And in doing so, often offends those that are law abiding citizens. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/7/2007 8:13:56 PM | | For "Chuck0601": On my former department, we learned real quick that being in top physical condition for the job is necessary. Not only for actually doing the job, but to also be able to pass the physical fitness test that we were required to do. And an officer who can't pass the test (a yearly test) is retested in 30 days. If he still can't, he is suspended until he proves he can pass the test. So, even though I did love some donuts, I didn't eat them. Now. . . . . well I don't have to pass any tests any more. | |
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