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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/31/2007 2:55:45 PM | ^^ ^^
yes I understand what you are saying, I'm sure that some good honest cops hate the bad ones and what they do to the reputation of all the rest.
No doubt we can call the cops and firefighters who died on 9/11 'heroes'; I don't have a problem with that.
tossing out numbers like "more than 200", when the real number is 60, is a tad off, though, no?
Also, just maybe there were quite a few "non-uniformed" heroes that day ?
It's not ONLY cops and firefighters, EMTs, emergency responders, etc. who deserve kudos (though they do) but also the MANY 'civilians' who went into harm's way to help that day?
there were also over 3,000 people killed in the 2 Towers; I don't find it a 'stretch' to think at least 2 or 3 % (60-90, etc.) died helping others as well..
so ALL people who acted heroically that day deserve kudos, not just those whose job it was to rescue?
United Flight 93 that crashed in PA also had a number of "heroes" on board who fought to take back control of the plane; golly gee, I don't even think any of them were cops or firefighters?
you can be a hero without ever having put on a uniform? or can you believe that? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/31/2007 4:01:39 PM | | "Phine Likker": Doggone you!!! Just when I was tryin soooooooo hard to get you to admit how much you hate police. . . . . and then what do you go and do?? You go and write something we both actually agree on! Yes, if you had been at ground zero, or on flight 93, I would be calling you a hero also. Just because a person wears a uniform, doesn't make him/her a hero. What day is today?? I gotta mark this down! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/31/2007 4:24:01 PM | | "Knightless": Again, you have my sincerest of condolence, in not only your loss of your husband, but also because everything seems to have failed you. In your effort to move on in your life, know this.. . . . .eventually I believe we all go somewhere to be judged. And those that are envolved in your husbands death no matter how they try, will be judged accordingly. So try to at least find some solace in that if you can. I don't know why this happened to you and your husband, but I will remember you in my prayer. Take care. D. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/31/2007 5:43:01 PM | | rtrdhrny; Thank you, I do appreciate your words. I do know why he was killed, it's just getting it past idiots is the problem. Ohh yes, I know they will eventually have to face God and be judged, but it just really gets me that they are still out there and still getting by with all they do. I would just like to help them off the streets and in prison for the rest of their lives, until the day they do meet God. But....those are my main reasons for not liking cops, even though I know there are some good ones out there, it's just not knowing who they are! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/31/2007 9:07:59 PM | Likker,
Please show me where you came up with the information to substantiate the statement you made below.
"Also, that is a bit irrelevant, it does not excuse the misbehavior of thousands of other cops".
Show me the facts, figures or weblinks (not your opinions)...you know the breakdown.
You were quick to perform a "Google Search" and correct a previous poster about the Law Enforcement fatalities on 9/11.
Also you may want to look at this web page and see the growing list of Officers that die almost daily nationwide performing their jobs. You "may" learn something.
http://www.odmp.org/ | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 5/31/2007 9:58:30 PM | There are some interesting answers here.
I have been pinched a few times. Enough that my insurance rates trippled and I was very angry at law enforcement for about 3 yrs.
However.... I was wrong. How can you hate someone for doing what they are paid to do.
I had a great revelation this morning on my way to work, kinda grumbling that I didn't want to go. I had stopped for my morning coffee and a cruser was in front of me.
I realized my job isn't so bad. I had to respect these guys, for doing what they have to do and paid for the officers coffee.
I challenge you all...if you have a cruiser in front of you at the drive through show him you respect what he has to do everyday, buy his morning coffee. Your job doesn't seem so bad. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/1/2007 9:45:04 AM | stats? :
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cfoi.nr0.htm
http://www.bwint.org/default.asp?index=641&Language=EN
The occupation with the highest number of deaths in the USA is
<div class="quote"> construction workers,
<div class="quote"> 1,186 deaths of 5,702 total occupational deaths in 2005. (almost 21%)
<div class="quote"> so construction workers put their lives on the line every day to bring us housing, commercial building, bridges, roads, etc.
maybe some even died building police stations at one time or another ?
<div class="quote"> the latest number I found for cops was 154 died on duty in 2004 in hte USA, that includes traffic collisions, etc.
<div class="quote"> OK cops do a hard job; but it also seems that they always crow loud and hard and long about "putting their lives on the line",
<div class="quote"> where few people in other occupations complain so..
<div class="quote"> And the fact is that many other occupations are as deadly, or more so.
So no I don't feel a special need to genuflect and kiss a cop's azz for doing his job.
If you feel that you need pity, or it is too dangerous for you, go out and get another job, then?
when you started the job, did they lie to you and tell you it was the 'safest' job in the world?
didn't you assess the risks & rewards and decide to do it anyway?
if so, quit whining already..
obviously being a soldier in a combat zone is many times more dangerous, even in training there are quite a few 'accidental' deaths every year.
RTRDHRNY: I am "glad" we can agree on something!! | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/1/2007 4:49:23 PM | Likker,
Obviously you are a selective reader. You totally evaded the question I asked to you. Instead you headed off in another direction with one of your rants.
If you re-read what I posted previously... I asked you to provide the statistics corroborating the statement you made earlier and I quote:
"Also, that is a bit irrelevant it does not excuse the misbehavior of thousands of other cops".
Where did you find the statistics on thousands of cases of misbehavior involving Law Enforcement Officers? I believe I was very clear regarding what I was asking for. Instead you once again headed off and queried construction work place deaths which had no bearing on the question I asked.
I performed several Google searches regarding the “thousands of misbehavior cases” and couldn't find them. Perhaps you could educate me and tell me where those links are.
I’m going to really go out on the limb and “guess” that you really hate Law Enforcement Officers because you tried to make the cut but probably couldn’t. There is a remote possibility that one too many moving violations or an arrest triggered your feelings of anger.
Whatever the case I want you to know there is help for you. I’m sure with the great health care system in your country you no doubt have access to some renowned mental health experts that would be most willing to aid you in your recovery. Take the first step…I urge and encourage you.
By the way I was also a United States Marine so it’s not necessary to introduce the challenges of being in the Military. I’m quite familiar with the dangers associated with that line of work also. I volunteered for the occupation with the full knowledge of what I was getting in to. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/2/2007 9:13:06 AM | OK, why should the fact that some NYPD cops acted heroically on 9/11 mean that we should not fully investigate even ONE allegation of wrongdoing of an officer in Ohio or Ca or FL, or wherever ?
perhaps I mispoke, I don't see the connection.. Let's not question the cop in Ohio alleged to have committed rape because, golly gee, cops are so heroic and all..?
to me, THAT statement about "hero cops" was sort of irrelevant..
see, I don't see construction workers going around whining about how their jobs are so dangerous and people should respect them and like them more, even though 7-8 X as many die on the job every year as cops do..
well maybe in your math every cop is 'worth' 10 X as much or more as another person.?
is there a national organization/website pitying construction workers, etc. ?
some of those cops who die on the job (about 150 /yr. ), are from heart attacks from being out of shape, too
why is that? you told me to 'educate' myself but you don't like stats that don't support your self-pitying viewpoint?
ah, the old phony: "I'm concerned for your mental health" put-down, very nice, if somewhat over-used..
have a nice day, sir | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/2/2007 12:25:27 PM | | I'm kinda wondering about the L.A. Police officer mentioned in the L.A. Times today Saturday the 2nd of June who got into trouble for taking pictures of little girls not just little girls but witnesses say he pointed the lens up their dresses, a father took him down the police took his camera he's working at Parker center on a desk...???? It's actually on page B-7 The California section.. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/2/2007 4:14:00 PM | "Phine Likker": Well, lets see, I take one day off, and you and "Belejebkaan" get right into it!! lolol Ok people, lets examine some things. First, stats don't mean anything. Stats can be made to look any way, anyone wants them to. But, lets look at something I remember reading about. Now, don't hold me to this figure, I think it was something like 30,000 being the figure of how many police are in New York. Now outta that 30,000, how many of those men in blue have gottin into some kind of trouble in their career. You could have at least a thousand people right there. Then you move onto to Chicago, Miami, New Orleans, . . . . any city within the USA, and eventually, you'll have thousands of police officers who've gottin their tit in a wringer (more or less). So ya, I'd say it is certainly possible to have literally thousands nationwide who've been in trouble for anything from a minor situation, to God knows what.
One thing I'm amazed no one has yet mentioned to Phine Likker. Hey P.L. how many construction workers have to wear a bullet proof vest to go to work? How many construction workers have jumped into the middle of a domestic violence squable to separate two or more people with some of the people carrying some kind of weapon, and fists flying everywhere? How many construction workers have saved someone's life, from a burning vehicle caused by an accident or whatever cause. And, most importantly of all, how many construction workers have themselves been arrested for exactly the same crimes that police are arrested for? Know how many? Neither do I. I don't have any idea, and don't care. Know why that is? Cause, when a police officer gets arrested, it ususally makes front page news, or on tv somewhere. Because officers are supposed to know better, and do better, and be held to that higher standard we've been talking here about. Again I say. . . .police officers are not perfect. . . . construction workers are not perfect. And does it really matter how many of each die each day while doing their jobs? And yes lots of police die from heart attacks each year. Know why that is (other then being outta shape?) Each day, depending on what shift they work, officers have to eat. Sometimes they get to eat one meal, sometimes two, sometimes none. I can't tell you how many times I've sat down in a restaurant, ordered my meal, waited patiently, received the meal. . . just as a call about an accident with injury comes out, and I have to go. No, ya don't get to go back to the restaurant to finish, or retrieve the meal, forget it, its gone. So then ya also have police, who maybe did get their meal, ate well, and now are in digestion mode. When a call comes about a domestic violence incident. So he gets there, has to wrestle to the ground not only the male, but the female half as well. All of which takes its toll physically on his body. And eventually, his heart. Not to mention the amount of officers who smoke cigarettes. But because of bad food (fast food) he eats, the other bad habits he does, he is allowed to retire early (in Ohio at age 48, with 25 years service or more). Why is that? Because police officers rarely live longer then 65 years of age, and less if their jobs were particularly stressfull.
Ok then, I've had my say again. Now you and Belejebkaan play nice. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/2/2007 10:25:42 PM | | That's the profession they chose to work in though..so they made their own choices...no one asked them to risk their lives doing that kind of job. I know alot of cops who think people should bow down and kiss their feet just because they wear a badge...( sorry...I don't kiss anyone's feet especially theirs ) But..that's the mentality of the cops in this area...I'm not saying I don't appreciate them..(the honest ones) cause I do. I wouldn't want to do that kind of job, no way. I stood behind my husband when he was law enforcement for over 20 yrs., and I know what kind of life it entails...but still you have some that are just arrogant a**wipes that I wouldn't give 2 cents for. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/3/2007 4:49:05 AM | I know plenty of cops that are hypocrites. I know plenty of cops that regard law enforcement as a "business." In that, I mean that they write tickets for legitimate violations, but not to make the community better but just to go to court and get the overtime. They write people tickets for the same offenses that they commit.
A Cleveland Heights, OH cop was the first responder to an altercation last week. This mental male shot the officer in the face, and blew his brains out of the back of his head. He was thirty-one. The killer had already been documented as a nutcase and a menace to Society.
After eleven years on the job, I still function day-to-day, and I know I am where I am supposed to be, but often dread putting on the uniform. I write a solid police report, and I do my best to try to help people find answers. I get tired of people pulling out the race card whenever is convenient. In general, the only reason I meet wonderful people is because they have been victimized. I get so many thank yous, but I wonder at all of the times I am told that I am "too nice to be a cop." Am I missing something?
When a home has been burglarized, it is important to preserve the crime scene for evidence. Once the premise has been dusted for prints, then the victim can conduct a thorough inventory. The victims already had to play the waiting game once, so I have them call the police station when they have determined what was stolen, and I go back and do the supplemental report for them. I am fairly certain that I am the only one who operates this way.
I like that I know how to use a gun and how to defend myself, but I have no real desire to shoot at any living thing.. I both like and hate that I have a "Spider Sense" to recognize danger. Often, I miss being naive.In the Police Academy, I got demerits on the first day (ten pushups per demerit). Let's just say that when we took our physical final I set the female record for push ups. 
I got demerits regularly for unshined shoes, because the guy I stood next to in roll call was a Marine. I got demerits for wearing lipstick, and then I changed to a softer shade but had the audacity to wear lip liner. More demerits. I was considered an outcast because when they came in to discuss our health insurance coverage options, I asked if coverage included contraception. You would have thought I was in middle school!
Our entire class got 500 demerits apiece, and I was so used to fulfilling them that I just went and knocked them out during our lunch break, and then they were rescinded. I raised my hand and asked if we had already completed them, if we could put them in some sort of demerit savings account for the next time we got demerits, and I am surprised that I did not get more demerits for my question.
When we had our police IDs taken, I let down my hair, and the next day, I had to have it retaken looking like baldie: "Hair up!" I was always under the microscope.
I don't see how my hair or my lipstick impacts my ability to do my job, and I think I do a pretty good job.
My irreverence has expanded. I wear animal print socks, often. I carry hot pink handcuffs. But I carry my head up high. I do not think my socks or my lipstick are indicative of my abilities as a cop.
In certain situations, I may start out a bit nasty, because you learn that it is much easier to go soft from hard than to begin soft and then have to take control.
Can somebody please explain to me why so many people have to call the police to discipline their fourteen and fifteen year-old children?
We respond frequently to Baby's Mama Drama.
Somehow, the person that can talk the loudest is supposed to be the most right.
I am not a thief, nor a brute, I am fair and honest. My pink handcuffs generally raise smiles and conversation. When I have to interview small children I tend to sit on the floor with them. I do not do dirty police work and nobody does dirty in front of me. I am sure that there is some dirty out there, but I have never seen it.
My final rambling, last week I had a family that needed a Domestic Violence report against their son, but the victim (Dad) spoke no English. I jumped through hoops to try to help these folks, because this man was covered with black bruises from his seventeen year-old son, who also tried to choke him and you can KILL someone in ten seconds!
My boss told me just to put something on paper, to do a half-witted report. as a CYA. I argued with him. I had already spoken with the adjacent District (same as precinct, just semantics) where there are many Spanish-speaking officers, but they dread writing reports. I refused to write a report that stated, "Male was assaulted by his son. Male has bruises. Due to language barrier, no further information."
This boss has a tendency to be lazy.
We wound up using what is called a Language Bank. I phoned and gave them the gist, she spoke with the man and then to me, and I asked more questions and she asked more questions and so on. These folks told me that all of the other police that had responded pretty much blew them off because they did not speak English, just as my boss wanted me to do.
In spite of myself, I still find myself caring, and I wish I could just turn off my Care button. I got ridiculed by my peers for trying to help these people that nobody else cared enough to try to help. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/3/2007 4:45:46 PM | Well cops must be doing something wrong,
More people hate them than like them
See by the posts its easy to understand why,
Just look on the web and you can see the uncalled violent acts done by them,,,
I think that the selection criteria is of a too low standard and they let too many rednecks in the force | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/3/2007 7:26:12 PM | | I know I'm bitter..and I have every right to be. I try my best not to group ALL the cops into the same category..but I know there are alot who are there for the power play.....for some it's wearing the gun, some because they know alot of women just fall all over them in uniform, some for the badge, some because they like control, some that are crooked and gets by with murder, and some who don't care about the people at all as long as they get their paychecks...then you have just a select few that really do their best to help the citizens. I admire you Princess for being one of the few that really do seem to care and help those that need it, and not be a pompous a** just because your a cop. Forgive my feelings toward the profession, but when I have gone through this much turmoil just to try and get answers from the cops involved, that just tends to make me very leary of all of them. I don't want to have to deal with any law enforcement whatsoever if I can get by with it, but prefer going higher than them. | |
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| OTHER OCCUPATIONS FAR MORE DANGEROUS..
Posted: 6/3/2007 7:45:50 PM | | I love cops, you are honest, you get away with more sh17. In 3rd world countries, you bribe them with $100USD, you can get away with murder, papa roach style. Done with playing the game. | |
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| here is a fine upstanding 'officer'
Posted: 6/4/2007 9:33:24 AM | check it:
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=f96458fb-ee09-412a-8409-607223b1c76d&k=15100
"Wills, 50, is on trial for first-degree murder in the death of his former lover, Linda Mariani. The 40-year-old bookkeeper disappeared in February 2002 after visiting the 25-year-veteran of the Toronto police force at his large suburban home in Thornhill, Ont.
Her body was found in a plastic garbage container at the bottom of the basement steps of his home in June 2002, after Wills surrendered to police. During his surrender, he was accompanied by his original lawyer.
The Crown is alleging Wills struck Mariani in the back of her head with an aluminum baseball bat and then put her body in the garbage bin, which was wrapped in plastic and hidden behind a false wall in his home.
The prosecution witnesses will include Wills’ former wife. The Crown has said she will testify that Wills admitted to killing Mariani.
In his opening statement, Napal told the jury that Mariani died accidentally after trying to pick up a Valentine’s gift placed on a stair, then falling from the circular staircase in Wills’ home.
Wills is not denying that he hid her body. His lawyer said it was to provide time for Wills to carry out her wish to be buried at his family cottage near Wasaga Beach, although it has not been explained why this never occurred.
Tatz was asked many times if he could see scuff marks in police photos of the basement carpet in the Wills’ home.
When he surrendered to police, Wills did not provide a formal statement on the advice of his original lawyer, although he gave terse answers to a few questions.
umm, "alleged" that this veteran Toronto cop murdered and then disposed of the body of his married (not to him) lover and mother of 3, Linda Mariani.
took over 5 years even to come to trial.
I am betting right now that with the 'help' of fellow "brothers in blue", Wills will be acquitted; it will be revealed in court that evidence was (purposely) "tainted" or "lost"..
ah, well at least the lawyers will make lots of $$ and many cops can bill for overtime testifying.. | |
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| Racist Cops, Beer, Nets, &
Posted: 6/4/2007 11:52:21 AM | captured on videotape, one day before the fatal shooting of unarmed native protester by OPP sniper at Ipperwash:
funny how cute & racist those cops can be, no?
<div class="quote"> Now a videotape has emerged that gives some insight into the events leading up to the incident. A handful of Ontario Provincial Police officers posing as a media crew, were caught on tape having a shocking conversation.
"Is there still a lot of press down there," one officer is says. "No, there's no one down there. Just a great big fat f**k Indian," replies another. The camera's rolling, eh?" "Yeah." "We had this planned, you know. We thought if we could get five or six cases of Labatts 50, we could bait them." "Yeah." "Then we'd have this big net at a pit." "Creative thinking." Works in the (U.S.) South with watermelon."
It's a conversation rife with racist remarks, recorded just a day before the land dispute ended in gunfire.
I guess once you can 'downgrade' people to 'non-human' beer-swilling "fat f**ks", it makes them a little easier to sight in on them with your rifle scope & pull the trigger?
no doubt Deane, (the shooter) would normally have been cleared of any wrongdoing,
(standard procedure)
but they neede a 'scapegoat' to divert media & public attention from the premier Mike Harris who indirectly ordered the deaths: "I want those "f**king Indians" out of MY park!"
um, HIS park? thought it was the citizens/taxpayers
so, anyway for the murder Deane was given 2 years house arrest.. | |
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| WHY PHINE LIKKER HATES COPS
Posted: 6/4/2007 3:57:48 PM | | "Phine Likker": Well, I've gotta give ya credit brother, you sure do seem to find the "best" the police can offer. I find it interesting you spend so much time finding all the bad things officers do. Is there nothing good at all that officers do that you can find? Sure there are racist police officers. But take a good look around, and you'll see racists everywhere. They are in every race, hating other races, just to hate. An officer killing his spouce is not new, though sickening it is. I know that a lot of bad things going on now, never would have happened back when I first became an officer. And I expect things to get a whole lot worst, and I don't know why. But I still maintain, that most of the police officers I know or knew, are good people. . . honest. | |
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| WHY PHINE LIKKER HATES COPS
Posted: 6/8/2007 6:46:08 AM | Phine Likker seems adept at pointing out the worst in cops. rtdhrny points out some of the best. I think I try to find the middle, and acknowledge that there are both good and bad, but insist that I know more good than bad.
To become a cop, in this area anyway, you have to first take a civil service test. Only the top scorers are evaluated further. You have to take a physical agility test. You have to take a psychological test, i.e., talk to a shrink. Some applicants get sent to a second or third shrink? Hey, if I passed the Psychological on the first try, anyone can! So it scares me that some people to which they give a license to carry a gun have to talk to three shrinks before they are cleared and deemed fit for the responsibilites that the job holds.
They have you take the MMPI, which is easy to pass if you are not clinically insane and are consistent in your answers. They do a background check.
One guy they put through the Academym cashed his dead mother's social security checks for two years. Rather than face scandal, they whittled it down to a misdemeanor, somehow, and the guy is still on the job. Do I trust him? Not at all! But I do not and never had had to work with him. I read one of his reports though, because I had to do a follow-up, and he has no command of the English language! To be a cop, you need a GED or a Diploma. Some jurisdictions do pay more for the college educated, and I should probably consider a change, but I am comfortable.
The ritzier areas probably require their officers to write for traffic, though not necessarily a quota, because it creates revenue for the maintenance and beautification of their jurisdiction.
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Through this thread and all of the pros and cons, I have really looked into myself and the job.
Sometimes, working with a partner is a nice change of pace, but mostly because I do not have to drive. A police force is a lot like a football team, you have offense (basic patrol), defense (detectives) and special teams (community policing/administrative). Truthfully, a lot of administrative positions that do not carry the contractually guaranteed benefits could be handled by "civilians" at a lower rate of pay. This would not be a popular attitude amongst cops, because if I have been shot at for twenty years, let me spend my last five pushing paper.
If I take the Seargent's test and make sergeant, I would receive a 16% increase in pay. But I would also have to assume a certain amount of liabilty for the officers beneath me.. Perhaps I may take the test in another two to three years when it is offered, but I listen to my gut, and now is not the right time for me.
For the past 3 years, I have been assigned to my own car, and like Frank Sinatra said, "I did it my way!"
Most cops, especially those that live in the area in which they patrol, always carry thier guns, for the protection of themselves and their families. I almost never carry my gun, except for when I walk my dog at 3 A.M., and chances are they are going to stay away from us because of the dog.
We used to have "Community Policing" but do to budget cuts that unit has been decimated.
The last few nights I worked, I realized that though I am assigned to so-called Basic Patrol ( and I do patrol) and I am a report car that does reports whenever you need them, I have developed myself as a community policing car that tries to genuinely help people solve their problems.
The nice thing about having time on the job is that I care less about the rules and more about helping people,, though you learn to evaluate the complete BS and put it though a strainer.
I carry dog biscuits in my car. People smile and wave reciprocally. Little kids run up to me. Everyone that remembers me, remembers me with a smile. I do not always remember them, because I have met thousands of people, but I pretend to, hope to, and ask for clues.
I am not trying to boast. But I have, in the past eleven years, met thousands of people, and everyone that recognizes me in or out of uniform greets me warmly.
As a member of The Dog Cult (see another thread) I am frequently told that I am the "first officer" that never insisted the dog got put away, and they always tell me that the dog may jump on me and try to lick me, and I say that it okay; then I give thier dogs biscuits while I do their report.
Perhaps I am One Of A Kind, and I attend to my job according to the specifications, I do my reports, and I do often follow-up, even on my own time, especially in Domestics and Animal Offenses. I have always been a bit of a rebellious one, but with a good heart.
If everyone seems to hate cops, they still seem to really like me "even though" I am a cop. I have to think that I am not the ONLY ONE???
The other night, a 70 year-old Romanian man who did not speak English and referred to his stolen vehilcle as "his machine" needed a report. Similar to the previous language barrier incident, I was glad he got me.
He was a sweet old man, and his birthday is on 6/18, and I contacted a Romanian associate, because all of his family is in Romania. Due to language, we only spoke two or three words between us, but I will send him a bithday card, from a local Romanian store, and have the clerk fill it out for me.
The moral of the story: Not all PEOPLE are EVIL; Not all COPS are EVIL!
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With the evaluation processes, I do not know how some people slip through the cracks, but they do, but I still contend that the must be in the minority. | |
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| WHY IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE HATE COPS
Posted: 6/9/2007 6:00:10 PM | | I am curious Nocturnal Princess, do you do anything other then ride around all day and make out reports? It sounds like you like to help people, but it also sounds like you write tickets and reports all day. Do you make any arrests? Are you allowed to wear makeup, like most women do? And how do you get away with not wearing regulation socks, and having regulation cuffs? I used to be a deputy in Summit County, and we had inspections daily. We never would have gotten away with that kind of stuff. And for very good reason. My supervisor used to say that if you show the criminal element that you have little or no regard for the rules and regulations of the department, they (criminals) take notice of that and will attempt to use it against you. The most we were allowed to wear was some lip stick, and it had to be approved by the Sergeant. And of course, we had different Sergeants daily, and sometimes you'd run into one that didn't like lip stick on a woman. Of course our hair had to be regulation length and up in a bun. Do you wear yours down? Our nails had to be cut a certain way, and no nail polish was allowed either. Just curious about how your department operates. | |
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| WHY IT SEEMS SOME PEOPLE HATE COPS
Posted: 6/9/2007 10:57:20 PM | PgySue,
I am an SR Car, and my primary responsibility is to write reports. I have done so many reports that I could actually write most of them in my sleep. A place entered report, of which there are many, must be taken on scene..
I really do not write that many tickets. I make some arrests, but not that many. When there is a fracas, I respond to assist, but I do not go alone. When a 2-man car has an arrest and a tow, I often handle their tow so that they can finish up with their arrest and get back on the road.
I am allowed to wear makeup. I wear eye liner, mascara, contour, blush, lip liner, and lipstick, and eyeshadow if the mood suits me..
For the most part, nobody sees my socks, but our standing joke is that my socks match my underwear. So when I am not wearing any socks???
Regarding handcuffs, the only regulation for the cuffs is that they have to be Peerless or S&W. A lot of the guys are carrying the ASP cuffs like I have, only theirs are black polymer, and not pink polymer. The ASP products are nice because the polymer is not ice cold in the winter, and both sides of the cuff have keyholes.
I work nights, so that helps, too.
I do my job, and I think I do it pretty well. I validate people, I write a good police report, and I back up my peers. I pay attention to radio. I am polite and respectful.
Regarding the pink cuffs, there is something gratifying about taking a BadAzz to jail in pink bracelets, and the only way that they are out of regulation is by the brand name, and I think they are superior cuffs.
I happen to have a knack for plopping myself exactly where some garbage is happening at that very moment, and that is how I manage to get most of my arrests. Hauls are made by a 2-man, so normally, I volunteer to write the report, and the assist car takes care of the haul and the booking. That works well, because most of the guys hate to write reports anyway.
Because I am a squirt, most of the big guys tend to go in first, but I do not take offense to that.
I am also considered the Pied Piper of Dogs, so if there is a dog in question, then they send me in first. I once climbed a ladder and went through a window that no one else could fit through, to check for a suspect, while my partner covered me from the window.
[Your statement as to how my department operates sounded to me to be a little bit condescending.]
We just got a rookie class out. One of the first things I did was lend a female my extra raincoat until she gets her own. I responded to a scene of chaos when I should have been on my way back in for relief, because the combatants were all female and I thought they might need some pat downs. There was a vehicle to be towed, and everyone knew what to be doing except for the rookie in his first week.
I asked him if he wanted to learn how to do a tow sheet. He looked relieved. I handed him my clipboard and told him that he was going to do it and not me, but I helped him. I have found that I have really stepped up to help the rookies.
I might be a bit rebellious, but in eleven years I have never been put up on charges for acts of impropriety (whereas two officers from an adjacent jurisdiction just got dismissed from their duties, one for having sex in the police car while the other watched) but I will bet they were wearing regulation socks and no lipstick of their own!
When I make Sergeant, I will tighten things up a bit. I have my reasons for my irreverance, but I will never allow the color of my socks compromise my pride in the quality of my work. I got Top Academic in the Academy, of which I am very proud.
People in the neighborhoods consider me approachable, and I try to help find solutions for their problems. You do need the cops that everyone is afraid of, but you also need the approachable ones that can help diffuse a volatile situation, that can obtain quality information for a report, and that is what I am especially good at. I will jump into the pile, though, because that is also a part of my job. I have pretty much established myself as a Community Policing Officer though I am on Basic Patrol (probably largely because I have not slept around with the brass).
Everyone has a job to do, and this is how our department operates. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/10/2007 1:17:28 PM | My feeling has been "F--- the police!" since 1990 when I realized that they are on a perpetual witch hunt for black and Latino males. All we need to do is be behind the wheel of a car or "not look right" like I do. When they pull us over and don't find the smell of burnt marijuana, bags of crack, or an illegal firearm, they try to provoke us with some smart ass speech or something downright nasty like calling us names. You give it back to them and all of a sudden you're the ***hole. WTF?! My god, don't get pulled over in a hick town like, lets say - Shrewsbury, its even worse for us in places like that. The year that I did it in the military, we were taught when the going gets tough, you let that badge do the talking and leave your personal feelings out of it. When some young gang banger or a brother blasts on them, they expect an outcry of public sympathy. I don't get it, esp. when its the police who instigate these incidents. The only people they really protect are other cops by sweeping their dirt under the rug. When police are found of wrong doing, their extreme arrogance keeps them even issuing a public apology, let alone a personal one.....
F--- the motherf-----s!! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/11/2007 8:19:29 AM | The day I ever meet a cop that isn't just wearing the uniform like a costume, playing dress up just so he can intimidate and bully people, just to feed his lame inferiority complex, and actually EARNS HIS PAY, I will change my mind. But after years of working with the cops, courts and govt, still haven't met a single one. Sure, some are better at bluffing than others, but their true colors always seem to shine through when it gets down to the real nitty gritty. I have also never known a criminal that did anything worse than what cops do, and then joke and brag about.
I am beginning to think that a "good cop" is as hard to find as a unicorn. | |
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