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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/11/2007 9:52:17 AM | LOL, guess I should have also said that seeing is believing. There are a lot of punks in blue around here that CLAIM to be good cops, until they catch my eye. Then they look a bit sheepish, because we both know that I know better.
But hey, would be willing to meet the person, as I am NOT as closed minded as I sound some times LOL | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/11/2007 2:29:27 PM | I grew up in a small town about 50K, Never met a cop I did'nt like, they were usually pretty decent. Not that I was a bad ass but I had the occasional run in with them and they were only doing their job.
I repair radios for police department's so its nice to see the relaxed side of them as normal people and shoot the shit with them.
I've had 3 speeding tickets in the last 15 yrs, Every time for doing 30 over and every time they dropped it down to 15 which is like 50 bucks and it does'nt affect your license. Last time was a month ago, even before he checked my license he told me he was not going ticket me for the full amount.
I know things are different in other parts of Canada and the US , this has just been my experiance.
BTW, NocturnalPrincess Do you need your radio fixed;) | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/11/2007 2:44:54 PM | | I meant to add that security guards are worse than cops, The wanna be's. Alot of them make me laugh. Most realize its just a job but others think their super cops...lol | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 6:48:27 AM | personally I have the ut most respect for our law enforcement. Wether they be security guards, or RCMP. Their all human, doing a job most of us don't want or can't do for some reason or another. The officers I have come across have been respectful, caring, and understanding of the situation I was in at the time. And there have been several situations of varying degree. Now I"m one of those boring people. 1 speeding ticket in 10 years, no police record, and I work with security guards on a daily basis with my job. I've never met a nicer group of people. Not all of us dislike our police force. I"m glad to call some freinds.  | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 9:05:43 AM |
"job most of us don't want or can't do for some reason or another."
yeah, yeah.. hear that over & over & over, too..get tired of it, cops whining and complaining about how tough their job is.
If it's "too tough" for you, here' s a hint: DO SOMETHING ELSE.
you took the job knowing plusses & minusses, but now want to whine?
reality check: it will be difficult to get another job paying over $100K/yr. with O.T. & the same type of job security for a high school grad.. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 10:28:29 AM | phine likker,
I am a college graduate. Being so educated, it is pretty easy for me to figure out your perspective on this matter. This thread has prompted some introspection on my part, and I reflected on the fact that I have always been a bit of a non-conformist, amongst other things. Of course I will ramble until I get to my main point, which seems to be my way.
The other night, one of the guys I work with had mail. He had pulled over a sixteen year-old that had only had his license for two weeks. He squealed his tires right in front of the officer, probably to impress his girlfriend. He writes a lot of tickets.
It turns out, he had told this young man that he needed to write him a two-page essay on why car insurance is so costly for teenaged drivers, and if the young man did not within a certain time frame, he would be issued a summons for his offense.
Of course it was done with a larger font and double spaced, but the kid did the essay as instructed, complete with researched statistics. That was much more effective in this case than a ticket!
Someone asked me if all I do is ride around and write reports. Often that is the case, as that is my assignment. However, I also have a knack for driving exactly into situations as they are being broadcast, or else being just aroung the corner. Last night was busy, and I was non-stop between priority gun runs for the first six hours of my shift, often the first responder because I was right there. That drives other officers nuts when a one-man is there alone, because like me or not, we have a motto that we all go home, so then they have to race lights and sirens.
Someone asked how my socks and my handcuffs adjust the criminals' perspective of me. Well, in retrospect, I have always been a bit of a non-conformist. The problems that I have had occurred because someone was drunk and out-of-control, high on wet and out-of-control, and the time I got body slammed by a 6-01 nineteen year-old that did not want to go BACK to jail (that could have paralyzed me had I landed differently). The color of my socks had nothing to do with these incidents! I can approach people tactically differently when there are other officers around. If you have an army backing you up, you can be "more pleasant" than if it is just you versus a group. In those cases, you have to take authority or you are a goner.
I like what one of the latest posters said about seeing cops in relaxed mode and how different they seem. That is the element of cops that I know primarily at this point. One has to be twenty-one to carry a gun, and I did not go into the Academy until I was almost thirty; thus, I had more Life Experience under my belt, had already pretty much established my values and priciples, and my unique Identity.
I was reflecting on everything that has been said here. In my first year of college, I got to view a psychological study which has never left my mind. I have become a moderate conservative, who is by the book where it is "important," but other than that a "live and let live" person, and I consider myself to be fair and honest. I viewed this study from a reel-to-reel projector, of which the young'uns here probably don't even know what that is, which I saw nearly twenty-five years ago. It was a study from 1971.
The STANFORD PRISON STUDY can be Googled, and it was supposed to be a two-week study on prison and institutional mentality, but was cut short after six days with some permanent psychological damage to some of the subjects. It was an interesting study as all of the subjects were generally cut from the same cloth and then randomly assigned to the role of either guard or prisoner.
Both the guards and the prisoners in less than six days morphed into general categories, but if you want more information, Google the Study.
I have always said that it boggles my mind that some people hate me because of the uniform I wear. I just love it when I drive by someone and they hock on the pavement as a greeting. But now that I am known around the neighborhoods, I do not get that so much.
Last night, there were some folks shooting off fireworks. I allowed all of the children to be mezmerized by the display at hand, which is by the way a fire hazard. When the display burnt out, I smiled and said that I had to be the Villain and told them to shut it down for the night. I heard some wonderful music playing but at such a volume that it was shaking the neighbors' houses. I knocked on the door and asked her to turn the music down, and everything was pleasant and all of the neighbors said thank you.
If you have done something minor and are not going to jail, the Stanford Prison Study doesn't really apply, except for the mentality of the cop that one might encounter.
I guess this was a long-winded (imagine that!) effort to stand right in the middle! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 10:40:26 AM | So, if cops illegally alter charges (for those speeding tickets) and abuse their position (making some kid write an essay?) then they are ok with some people?
Is anyone else confused by that? I mean is it all about them doing their jobs the way they are legally supposed to or not? "Fudging" as in those two examples is a perfect example of a BAD COP. Not following rules and policy. Perhaps you personally approve of their methods and potential results, but what they are doing is illegal. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 10:54:09 AM | So,
If it were your son, you would have rather had him lose his license and have to pay a huge fine, instead of being educated? Preventing further repeat behavior?
The actions of the perpetrator were illegal. The Officer has some jurisdiction in rather to give a warning or to write a citation, or to take them to jail.
I am sorry that you seem to even hate cops that give breaks? Giving breaks is not illegal, though the actions that brought the perpetrators to attention are! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 11:35:30 AM |
rtdhrny:
yes I actually do believe you, that there are good cops around; perhaps it is just unfortunate that I have encountered a few bad ones..or see that happening
Nocturnal:
you sound like a thoughtful, introspective person..of course being a cop you get to see the more relaxed side of others..(at any of the loud,drunken, drug-fueled parties that they would bust others for? ) :)
OK just a joke, sorry..couldn't resist
being a woman, and a little older, perhaps you don't suffer from the testosterone-fuelled macho, 'proving themselves vs. the world' BS that some younger males in uniform seem to display..? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 11:58:52 AM | Ick!!!!
Phine Likker just called me OLD!!! 
Seriously, look up that study, Dude, because it is really amazing.
I actually called out police academy and got the blow off when I recommended that they spend a portion of their budget on that study. It not only educates on how not to be a cop but also on why potential prisoners want to kill cops!
Wow! After all of this time, have we actually exchanged olive branches? : | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 12:07:19 PM | Do kids on a first offence basic speeding ticket in the state of Ohio lose their licence? and get a huge fine? In that paragraph you almost made it sound worse than a homicide charge.. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 12:17:36 PM | Byrd,
Driving is a privilege and not a right. If he didn't lose his license, getting his first ticket within two weeks of being licensed would certainly raise their insurance. THAT would most likely would be a "huge fine." He is a parent, and he gave the kid a break, with some homework, some consequences, which too man PARENTS in our area seem not to do!
And you know that a felony charge would wind you up in jail!
 anyway, because I know you are just being argumentative!  | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/12/2007 5:37:25 PM | | No i'm not I really wondered how come women like to put words in mens mouths? I really wonder one of my sisters lived there at one time with her husband who beat the stuffing out of her. He was a known dope dealer a real scum bag well known by the police, and he never got arrested for anything even when he stuck my sister with a knife..According to this story about the boy with the speeding ticket losing his licence etc. You'ld think my brother in law was on death row in Ohio. But they never so much as arrested him...Sometimes you need something done, you got to do it yourself....And still pay taxes. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/13/2007 9:53:39 AM | NocturnalPrincess – “So,
If it were your son, you would have rather had him lose his license and have to pay a huge fine, instead of being educated?”
Just writing a paper that would “pass” who’s judgment? Who says he would learn anything?
“Preventing further repeat behavior?”
Can you prove that it would, or would this kid be more likely to do it again since he “got off easy” the first time?
”The actions of the perpetrator were illegal. The Officer has some jurisdiction in rather to give a warning or to write a citation, or to take them to jail.”
Fine, but sure didn’t see “assign homework” on that list.
”I am sorry that you seem to even hate cops that give breaks? Giving breaks is not illegal, though the actions that brought the perpetrators to attention are!”
The issue here is not whether or not the cop gave the kid a break. Duh! That would be the part about letting them off with a warning. I guess you don’t get that. I take issue with any cop exceeding his authority and “playing games”, using his position in inappropriate ways. I mean just how far are you going to let this stuff go? He catches an underage kid with alcohol, so he makes him drink all of it right there, hoping that the kid will get sick enough to “teach him a lesson” (like grandpa making you finish a cigar after being caught with a cigarette)? What is this same cop going to do when his little lessons cause this kid to die from alcohol poisoning? My point is, he simply isn’t authorized to play games like that just because he has the costume to intimidate people into doing what he says. I realize that being a cop yourself you probably buy into this mentality of “knowing best”, but it is seriously just an illusion. If you think that you know it all, and should be the ultimate judge of a situation, especially an encounter with a person you have never met before, on the job, you are exactly the kind of cop I think should be removed from the force. Holier than thou comes to mind, and who needs that. Sugar coat the words all you want, and try to hide the underlying intent, but power tripping, narcissist is what it all comes down to. Allowing you people to use those costumes to “run things the way you want” is how we end up with incidents like Rodney King.
“He is a parent, and he gave the kid a break, with some homework, some consequences, which too man PARENTS in our area seem not to do!”
And no, just because there are some parents who don’t do their job, sure ain’t gonna let some fool in a costume try to parent my kids. And, if it matters, neither of mine have ever been in any trouble with the police, except the trouble the police CAUSED them. Most recent situation was where my daughter caught a crime in the works with her cellphone and video taped it. Did the right thing and turned it over to the cop at her school (happened on her bus), like she was supposed to. Sure, the video tape was received with glee, but I don’t think the formal written complaint to the dept was. Yeah, the one where I told them that I thought it really sucked the way this punk in blue lied to my face, and then basically served my kid up to the perpetrators, after promising to protect her identity, and put her directly in harms way. Told him straight up that he could forget my kid ever doing anything to assist him again (not the first time she has, btw) and he could just get off his ass and do his job himself. Yeah, mister big and bad in blue, threw a little girl up as his little shield to hide behind. And, if you care, the Chief of Police has enlisted my aid numerous times in the past. While I still felt I was doing the right thing, I helped. But after learning just how these boys really play, told them to not contact me again unless it was to discuss the refund of every single penny of my tax dollars that went to their unearned salaries.
Now, do you really want me to give you the LIST of other incidents????? Would be coming in PM because this forum, has me about as ticked as it gets and not coming back.
PIGS give people REASONS to call them that. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/14/2007 9:36:38 AM | For "Phine Likker" Very glad to see you say what you said, and I totally understand. Sometimes, we (ordinary people like you and me) meet the very worst society has to offer. One more thing. I've been watching a show on tv called "THE MOST DANGEROUS CATCH". It's about guys that fish the Bering Sea for Crab, in the worst conditions I could possibly imagine. That is one job I could never do.
For "Byrd" In the state of Ohio, a juvenile may in fact lose their license (for a first offense) , for a period of six months, depending on the violation, and depending on the juvenile court system.
For "Nocturnal Princess" Well, it appears that someone has logged on here and no matter what you say (or me for that matter) will not grasp or understand what the officer was doing when he assigned the essay to the child. She will never understand, that the officer was attempting some community interaction with that child, so the child has a better understand of driving, and also of police officers (that they can be nice as well). For "Freeazabird", her life is one that revolves only around what she believes and understands. Anyone who disagrees with her, well then her obvious choice of recourse to anything, will be insults and innuendo. She has every right to say she hates police, as this is America (God Bless), and people like you and I have made certain she is assured that right. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/14/2007 10:30:32 AM | | I don't want to be involved with a police officer unless he has a desk job, because I don't want the stress of worrying that he will get killed. Simple as that. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 9:44:15 AM | Byrd,
Domestic Violence gets to be a real quagmire! The Victims go back again, and again, and again. We arrest someone, and the first person he calls from jail is his Victim (It is a fallacy that they get one call).
The first (convicted) offense is a misdemeanor, which means the burden of prosecution is on the Victim, and after that subsequent offenses for DV are felonies.
I have actually gotten papers (warrants) issued on DV, where I had to argue with my bosses in order to go. The last case I had, Radio was too busy that week, and of course the Victim, who had said, "THIS TIME I am gonna go (to the Prosecutor)" never went, and by the time I followed up, it was too late for me to get charges filed. I wrote a good report, and once again, the Victim did not take care of herself!
Why is it Society's Job to take care of every person that does not take the steps they need to take to take care of themselves!
Do you know that in this area, one can be enrolled in "Life Skills" to earn their GED, until they are 21 or 22 years-old?
We had an abysmal failing rate for our City for the Ohio educational five-part test that they have to pass to graduate. I asked my nephew about the test, and he passed all five parts. I cornered him, figuratively: "Is the test really that hard? If you do your homework can you pass the test?" He replied that a 40% grade constitutes passing, and you have to be "as dumb as a rock" to not be able to pass!
My colleague tried to eduacate a child, and by sharing that warm & fuzzy, we have received criticism. I will advise my co-worker that from now on, to wrte the child, and make the parent have to take a day off from work, and let their insurance rates skyrocket.
I wish some people understood that many of us, besides earning an income really want to make our Community a better place to live, which seems to be a losing battle.
I could go off on a tangent about that people should stop popping out babies when they cannot even care for themselves, and that there should be a required licence to have children, and that government assistence for the gaggle you have produced should not be a given! Your children should not be Society's responsibility, nor should your children (anyone's) be a liability upon Society!!! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 2:29:11 PM | | Why pay police officers if they are only going to protect and serve themselves and not the society they are paid to protect and serve??? And I could add exclaimnation marks too!!! I would be very comfortable squashing the problem myself as long as this BullShit so-called justice system wouldn't get in the way...Bing Back Frontier Justice..The real reason you just sit back and observe is less work and more bread and butter..You just wait till people kill each other well as long as it isn't your family or loved one then you might have it taken care of it hang it on some gang banger....I cannot have children but thanks for the negative comment that's one thing I can count on from you guys negatitivy oh yea intimadation that's another thing..You talk so much about the crooks being a drain on the system you guys get government checks too..About eight times the amount to eat donuts and make more trouble for people than they had in the first place..... Oh yea but your hero's. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 3:19:26 PM | Ill sum this up that most civilians will understand. Lets pu tit this way, I can go kill someone, rape a girl, commit a violent crime , or anything thats illegal and I swear the law will condone me for it. But oh no if a judges wife, sister, any family member has anything bad happen to them that criminal will get the death penalty bvut if its anyone else that is not corrupted or connected then they will pay for it. how about that old story people have heard im surte about how a criminal broke into someoens home and fell on a knife or something like that where the criminal got injured and sued the owner of the home that was gettingrobbed.Where the **** is ther justice in that. Who the **** do you think u r defending cops just because u r one urself. Of course ull defend them because ur one of them....a cop I mean. Not saying ur the evil one but you cant stand by and pretend this shit never happans.
No onw will care if a cop gets their asses kicked. What they really are is just a bunch of pussies that hide behind their guns and badges just like gangsters hide in grouops thinkin their tough when they have 5 of them jump on eperson. U getthem alomne and theyre pussies. Thats the way this world is when it comes to power, intimidation, corruption, and connections in crime. Everyone knows that cops canbe easily bought off because its soo easily available and always ofered these days, wel for that matter as long as we can remember. "The system works" cliche only applies to the ones that get away with what theyre doing against the law. So why should us innocent civilians take this crap. What if the population of us went up against the gangsters, corrupt cops, etc.... You would lose for sure. You tell us not to take the law into our own hands but where are the cops when someone is gettin beat or raped or robbed at that very moment and uhave the chance to take them on or even kill the **stards. You thinkanyoen will care if some scumbag gets killed.
Why should they get any kind of special treatment. It wouldbe a safer world if they were just wiped out. What about that story I read in the winnipeg sun a little while back not even a year ago where a car thief stole a car got into a accident and the person he hit got out of his car beat the shit out of him and put him in a coma. Everyone was praising him for doing it andf why not at least soe type of justice was done in our eyes not hte cops of course and to top it off he was a gang member so even better yet. Now if it was a cop that got beat up then all hell would break loose or if it happened to a law enforcing type of individual beit a judge, lawyer, governmen t official, etc.... Then you would make sure he would suffer. The real criminal s are the politicians, judges, lawyers, who are bought off by criminals. Why do you look the other way, is it because ur intimidtaed by them or simply because they are buying your silence.
I sincerley hope that more and more citizens stand up and take the law into thier own hands becvause the cops are ****in useless. By the way everyone im not saying al of this because somethingbad has ever happened to me from the law imjust tired of hearing abot it happening to others that dont deserve it. So maybe we should all become criminals anyways, hell it pays a lot better and well mostlikely get away with it the way the system works. So comeon everyone lets get a riot going.......LAMO!!!!!!! It wil be interesting to hear what people have to say about this thread or maybe get deleted....lol. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 6:33:45 PM | Okay. let's break this down for the people that did not pay attention in Grade School!
There are three (3) branches of goverment:
Executive;
Legislative;
and Juicial.
The judicial realm makes the rulings according to the legistlatives' laws, thus it is the "executives" that we vote into office that are dropping the ball.
Bottom line: It is not really the police that are the villains. We do our jobs! It is the executive branch that is dropping the ball! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 7:15:47 PM | But...there are some cops that are villians...there are some that kill others to shut them up, there are some dealing in drugs, there are some that get paid to close their eyes to their wrongdoings, there are some who use their badges to their advantage...
I'm not saying all cops do that..but I do know alot around here that are just like that! Then we have those that know there was wrong doing, injustice done to others that turn their heads..because they will not go against their own...sorry..but the boys/girls in blue and sometimes brown and green....are just as crooked as the crooks on the other side of the street!! That's what I'm fighting now...I just want justice...true justice, a true investigation...no lies, no cover-ups, no turning the head and ignoring it hoping it will go away....I don't think the truth is too much to ask for. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 7:24:49 PM | | EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!! There is nothing that anyone can say in these threads that will ever justify what these dirty pigs will do abusing their badges like cowards and that all they are. Now u say to us how that the onyl ones that have problems with cops are the ones that are breaking the law...??...BULLSHIT!! I think the ones that defend the cops or the ones that are cops that are defending their own are crooks themselves and will always stick up for their fellow crooked cops. People say in here that we need some kind of protection or law to uphold but in the meantime the ones doing thast are breaking it as well and will always get away with it when its the cops word over a citizen. I always say walk around with a recorder because u never know when youll need it or even a tiny built in camera. You need proof for everythig in this world. I feel that were wasting our breaths on these idiots because you wontbe able to stop it unless in a small group or situations whee you can take the law in uer own hands even if it means to abuse the law enforcers including the executives as that last message was from " nocternal" why not. If they can do it then so can we and we should. Why should we havwe to fear the ones trhat are supossesd to be protecting us. Its all about power and money. If there was no money there wouldnt be any power to control. But remember this everyone the one in power is never all powerful without his or her soldiers that are brainwashed, by themselves they are nothings!!!!!!!! Just like how powerful entertainers are nothing without their fans same as the government....if we never listened to them and did our own things they would have no power over us. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 6/16/2007 8:14:16 PM | | "Okay lets break this down for people that did not pay attention in grade school...." And you did? Must you always find a way to cut down a civilian? I guess that's it were people and you are cops one fella asked Why do cops hate people? That's what should really be asked here.... | |
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