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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/9/2007 6:53:21 AM | Integritas,
I was the kid that accepted my teachers as persons.
When I was in second grade, Mrs. Towner picked me up by my hair and shoved me back in my seat because I jumped out of my chair to help Jill Campbell pick up her crayons that she spilled. I never told my parents. In hindsight, that woman probably shouldn't have been a teacher, and all I did was instinctively aid a friend.
In third grade (third and fourth were combined in our school and I was in fourth grade classes), Mrs. Turner was collecting papers, and collected both my homework and my handouts, so I jumped up and told her, and she slapped me across the face! I was mortified. I guess everyone was talking about it and my brother told my parents. My Dad went to the school in a fury!
Seriously, one teacher even stole my dictionary out of my desk! None of these people belonged being teachers. There are some amazing and dedicated teachers out there, though!
I was molested by a family doctor, which was never reported. I still hold some guilt, because if he molested me, how many others? There are some amazing and brilliant doctors out there, though!
Moral of the Story? There are buttheads all around us. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, and that is where I try to begin at ground zero until I can make a further assessment. I hate that some people hate me because of the suit I put on for work. I hate that some people hate me because of their own malfunctions and/or bad choices, because I am unable to help them because their choices are just that bad.
I suppose I could just hate everybody, but I am not really a hateful person (though I can be tremendously sarcastic). I generally try to distance myself from toxic people and to make good choices. If more people did that, there would be much less need for police! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/9/2007 6:54:44 AM | | I can tell you that me nor my husband had any problems in school with teachers, nor were we ever involved with drugs or doing anything illegal. We've always been law abiding citizens who would help anyone that needed help. My late husband went way beyond the call of duty when he was working...he was shot because of what he either found out, or got caught what he was doing one of the two. He didn't deserve what happened to him..and he doesn't deserve what they labeled it at..and they just won't do their jobs to find the truth. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/9/2007 2:50:59 PM | Yes I really hate teachers unless their baked, fried, or microwaved...Teachers always looked the other way when I got teased when I was a kid...Sometimes they even instigated the sonofa****es....Cops usually took an intrest and helped me out I say usually because sometimes I got ****ed around with and believe me they got it back..I never filed a complaint aganist a cop even after I got hurt because I started most of the fights, but that's when I was a young whipper snapper I'm too old for that crap now...I like most cops sometimes I get a hair in the wrong place and take offence to crap and get out of step...I am a sober drunk but never really got into drugs so much that I became addicted..I have prescriptions that give me a boost once in a while but I don't think I'm addicted to them because sometimes I don't indulge for weeks... | |
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ra7593
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Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 779 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/9/2007 6:15:12 PM | I have not posted in this thread in a long time but i just wanted to talk about another problem i have with cops.
You see I know a couple people who have had their problems with drugs in the past. They have been ticketed, arrested, had their cars taken away because of their sickness/addiction, etc.
Yes. They have broken the law but at the same time, there are drug houses all over the city of Detroit. Now instead of ging after these drug dealers and shutting them down for good, the police allow these houses to operate because it brings them a lot of traffic to issue many drug charges on these addicts.
I remember one night when my ex's dad came home from work, he was bragging about how they seized 12 cars that night busting people driving to drug houses. These cops know exactly where these houses are at but they dont touch them. It seems they would rather keep the drugs on the street so they can bust the little guy rather than cleaning up the streets for good. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/9/2007 6:22:48 PM | | It seems like many were offended or hurt by my comments. It was sincerely not my intent. Again, I must reiterate that my comments were a reflection based on my clients' realities - only a "small" margin of society. When I first posted, I had no intention of specifying who constitutes a portion of my work clientele (to explain from where I stand) because like many, I like to keep that detail to myself. I do not believe that cops and teachers are all bad - it takes all kinds of people to make the world go round in "any field of work". I am simply a very analytical and observant person who takes the time to really listen to those whose lives have gone astray and find reoccuring similarities and patterns between them...It is only when we acknowledge the truth in anything that we can find worthwhile remedies. Otherwise, we are waisting valuable time. No? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/9/2007 8:16:21 PM | Probably because there is often much more time spent fighting petty crimes
(like seatbelt violations, expired tags, marijuana-related charges, speeding, illegal gambling, workplace laws, noise pollution, prostitution, hate crimes, disorderly contact, business licenses, smoking offenses, traffic-related crimes, vice laws, etc.)
than they do fighting real crimes, those that harm others financially or physically
(like muder, rape, theft, fraud, copyright infringment, etc)
Regardless, I still believe that police/dectectives are nessassary to keep the peace and order. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/10/2007 3:09:24 AM | Re: Message 779
ra7593,
I understand what you are saying, but I want to offer a bit of a different perspective.
It takes some time to bring down a drug house or to close a dirty bar/nightclub. There has to be an investigation, with evidence upon evidence in order to obtain a search warrant~~Probably Cause "beyond a reasonable doubt" (99%, pretty much). Invests take time.
If every time someone goes to a drug house, they get arrested, that drug house gets a reputation as not the drug house to go to! This doesn't mean that there is not an on-going investigation into the house itself, but just another means of curtailing drug activity.
Same thing with Prostitution complaints. You can arrest the hookers or arrest the Johns, but either way, it will curtail activity in the area.
A lot of people that get picked up are willing to work off their cases, so that is yet another means of catching the bigger fish.
I may not have explained this adequately, but what I am trying to convey is that they are going after the drug houses, even if their methods seem petty to the small fishes that are getting caught. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/10/2007 9:49:32 AM | "(like seatbelt violations, expired tags, marijuana-related charges, speeding, illegal gambling, workplace laws, noise pollution, prostitution, hate crimes, disorderly contact, business licenses, smoking offenses, traffic-related crimes, vice laws, etc.)"
wupchurch,
Often the enforcement of petty crimes is a way to catch the bigger fish. Often, dangerous felons draw attention to themselves through the commission of petty crimes. Further, there are what are known as Quality of Life issues. You have no idea how many loud music and noise complaints the police get daily. Police even get countless calls for kids playing basketball in the street, and noise and basketball and poeple speeding up and down the street, and drug dealing and prostitution and some of the major complaints received at community meetings. Bottom line is that people do not want these nuisances where they live and depend upon the police to try to get rid of it for them, so by enforcing these so-called petty crimes, police are serving the community per their requests.
Police are supposed to confiscate the basketball hoop, but in general, most of the officers just tell them that someone complained and ask them to remove the hoop from the street. I would rather kids be playing basketball than breaking into cars or houses. To me, this is a petty complaint, but it is a common community complaint.
Regarding traffic laws, if one is driving recklessly or has expired tags, and then is found not to have a license and/or insurance, is this really petty? When that person hits your car and you have to pay $500 deductible to get your car fixed, that person may has well robbed you of $500, because it is the same difference. Driving is a privilege and not a right.
If it is 3 AM and your intoxicated neighbors are out fighting loudly and you have to be at work in the morning, so you call the police to get them to shut up, do you think this is petty enforcement by arresting the loud party for Disorderly Conduct Intoxicated and giving the neighborhood some peace.
You criticize the enforcement of vice and prostitution. Do you want a prostitute soliciting rides in front of your house and in front of your children? Do you want a drug dealer with a gun in his waistband selling drugs in front of your house or next to your child's schoolyard?
When cars speed up and down a residential street at 60 MPH, and there are children on the street, is this petty? When you are at HOME, relaxing, and an inconsiderate person is blasting their music or cars thump through your neighborhood, and police enforce the noise ordinances, is this still petty? These are quality of life issues!
Is it only petty enforcement when it does not directly impact you and yours? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/10/2007 2:04:50 PM | I got all that sh*t in my neighborhood whata mean??? It just would not be complete without the cops it's like some demented sickcom my neighborhood.....Any agents intrested? What the hell might as well try and make money out of my neighborhood..Everyone else is.. | |
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| Today's local news irked me
Posted: 7/11/2007 2:06:54 PM | They had a report on of a farmer getting a $1000 ticket for her cow mooing too loudly.
What the hell is the world coming to? I mean it looked rural enough to me. I just had to think the neighbor who claimed and the cop must have been a jerk for giving that ticket. Don't they know that cattle feed us? Surely the neighbor knew they had a cow when they moved in, too. Probably just some hateful neighbor and decided to used that cow mooing as a way to start trouble for that neighbor.
Some days I just don't believe what the world is coming to. I really don't.
I saw a thing one day about people not being able to scream going down the roller coaster. Will they hand out tickets there too? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/11/2007 8:03:35 PM | Plus, to me it's like politicians... Anyone who wishes to control others should not be in a positon of power...
But there are good ones and bad, just as anything...
Some really care, and some just want to carry a gun and look cool... | |
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| Today's local news irked me
Posted: 7/12/2007 6:41:00 AM | Random Entry,
Where in the world would we all be without Big Brother? I just saw in the paper the other day that the lawmakers want to outlaw tanning beds because they are dangerous for us. I wonder how previous generations survived?!
Byrd, I will always love you, though we are always going to have to agree to disagree.
wupchurch,
The kewl thing about being a cop is that there is a lot of independent discretion involved. The crimes on your list are a way to catch the bigger fish, but it is also possible to warn & send a person if that is all that they are doing wrong. I probably have the lowest ticket statistics of my shift, because I strive to educate rather than issue citations, for the minor, petty nonsense. I was young once, too! I appreciated a couple of breaks, and I learned from them, and took the time out to say thank you after the fact to the officers in question, but I am just a dope that way. For the record, those stupid little thank you's actually mean a lot!
I will never write a citation for the sole purpose of lining my own pockets. Within the last six months, I have received in the mail at the police station two hand-written thank you cards, which is almost unheard of, and I saved them both. I guess I still care about helping people, and I may have my own style of policing.
One common neighborhood complaint is the Thugs walking down the middle of the street. I will roll up on them and ask them what is wrong with the sidewalk. If they are courteous as I was with them, and they move to the sidewalk, then we are done. If they spit on the street, well, then, I just might write them a ticket. For me it is a two-way streeet. | |
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| Good Cops & Bad Cops
Posted: 7/12/2007 1:20:21 PM | For "Wish4": Borrowing an old country tune, let me say this about your child wanting to grow up to be a police officer. MOMMA'S DON'T LET YOUR BABIES GROW UP TO BE POLICE MEN. . . . DON'T LET'EM PLAY COPS AND ROBBERS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, LET'EM BE BASKETBALL PLAYERS AND SUCH!! Now maybe my words don't go well with the tune, but I hope you get the message. Todays police officers don't make millions of dollars to put a ball in a hoop, or throw a football long, or hit the home run. Society looks up to the professional ball player (of whatever sport), and if you've read most of the messages in this thread, has little or no respect for officers. Lots of officers I know, live pay check to pay check. They have to take other side jobs to help pay the bills. Oh ya, lots of basketball players carry guns, so if he wants to, he still can!
For "WupChurch": Yep, those customers of the drug house were getting leaned on for a very good reason. If you dry up the customers by arresting them, then the house has to move, or go outta business. Now if it just moves, then that means the police still have to collect evidence against the dealers (as Nocturnal said) so that when they do bust them, the charges stick solid. | |
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ra7593
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Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 791 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/13/2007 3:30:16 PM |
ra7593,
I understand what you are saying, but I want to offer a bit of a different perspective.
It takes some time to bring down a drug house or to close a dirty bar/nightclub. There has to be an investigation, with evidence upon evidence in order to obtain a search warrant~~Probably Cause "beyond a reasonable doubt" (99%, pretty much). Invests take time.
If every time someone goes to a drug house, they get arrested, that drug house gets a reputation as not the drug house to go to! This doesn't mean that there is not an on-going investigation into the house itself, but just another means of curtailing drug activity.
Same thing with Prostitution complaints. You can arrest the hookers or arrest the Johns, but either way, it will curtail activity in the area.
A lot of people that get picked up are willing to work off their cases, so that is yet another means of catching the bigger fish.
I may not have explained this adequately, but what I am trying to convey is that they are going after the drug houses, even if their methods seem petty to the small fishes that are getting caught.
Im not so sure about this and some of these houses have been running for quite a long time. I have a couple friends who live in the city and used to date a girl there. These same drug houses have always been an issue there. The police patrol the neighborhoods but dont touch the houses. I also cant count how many times i have been harrassed trying to get to my girlfriends (at the time) house because I was white driving through a neighborhood in the inner city. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/13/2007 3:48:23 PM | | If the houses have been going for years that just tells me one thing - cops on the take?? Sure makes one wonder why they don't go after the source, enstead of just the buyers. Alot around here don't even touch the buyers...they stop you mainly for seat belts, speeding, or something minut...but when it comes to anything that actually contains doing some actual work..they do what they can or say whatever they can to make it less work for themselves....it sickens me to know end!! | |
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ra7593
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Joined: 4/9/2007
Msg: 793 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/13/2007 4:09:57 PM | | And I think it all depends on there you are. I think the city of Detroit sees just busting the little guy as a much bigger industry than taking drugs out of those neighborhoods. I also dont think having the 2nd worst mayor in the country (Kwame Kilpatrick) helps matters any. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/14/2007 10:12:46 AM | | For "ra7593": Yes, I understand your problem about your mayor in Detroit. I also know that up there, they have a high crime problem, because it has gottin sooooo bad, that even the police have given up. That's why those drug houses are still there. And I will admit, that some of those officers up there just might be on the take as well. That area is a product of its people. If the people didn't allow it, it will not go on. If I had a drug house next door to me, (and I already know there isn't one), but if I did, I'd try every way to get it out of there. I'd make them very unhappy to be next to me. And I might even take drastic measures to eliminate the problem, then call the fire department afterwards. I'm very serious about it. I just would not stand for that nonsense next to my house. Now, you might say, that I'm condoning violence, and perhaps I am here. But the situation is this. The drug dealer will not respect a person who doesn't fight for his neighborhood. He'll stay there like roaches do, and you have to fight to get rid of them. That's why I say, that the people have to rise up, and take back their neighborhoods, make those dealers think twice about where they're at, and they'll leave. I'm certain that someone will come on this thread and say that what I say here will get people hurt or killed. America has enough drug dealers, and if they die, then they die! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/14/2007 3:56:43 PM | I like you Princess but that love is just too strong of a word for me...As far as agree to disagree that's cool on some points I don't hate cops but I do get irratated at things I hear but as far as animals go I think we might feel almost the same way about them..Either way Cheers! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/15/2007 10:26:22 AM | Because a green cop arrested the wrong person by mistake, and told every lie she could think of to cover it in court. I was exonerated because she contradicted herself so many times, and the judge was disgusted. Because I was also exonerated on the previous charge, she made a point of looking and smiling at me every time she told a lie on the stand. If this is business, why did she have to make it personal?
I personally like the older generation of cops more, because there are too many young punks, many criminals themselves, getting into the profession for self-centered reasons.
Somebody murdered my pets, and the police treated me like the criminal because I was crying too much, and trying to enter my own apartment with a bent key ( bent in my panicked attempts to enter and rescue the rest of my pets). They threatened to arrest me if I didn't get into my car and drive away (from my own place at 1 am), because they "didn't want to get a call later saying I was disturbing the peace." | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/15/2007 2:11:16 PM | I know I am responding late to this bu t I have the utmost respect for police officers. I cannot imagine having to stop a car for something or going into a dangerous situation that could be deadly.People are nuts these days and you never know what could happen. Dealing with the public is very stressful day after day. I am a nurse and am stressed most of the time at my job. Families can be hard to take. Patience is hard to have sometines but you have to have it. People who hate the police were probably caught at something they should not have been doing and its a case of sour grapes. I am sure there are some power crazed cops out ther but that is in every profession. I say rock on you terrific guys and gals. Thanks for protecting us!!!! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/15/2007 5:04:27 PM | | I'm not saying I don't have any respect for what they do..because I do. The ones that I have encountered here over my husband's death absolutely do not have any respect from me whatsoever. They have done nothing to earn even a shred of respect...a slap maybe, but respect no... I know how honest my husband was, and how strived to do what he could for those that needed it...and it got him killed. All I am asking for from these pathetic low lives is for the truth..for a true and correct and HONEST investigation....I think I should be entitled to at least that much. By an outside source..that has absolutely no knowledge of the cops, the sheriff's dept., the KBI, or my husband...so maybe at least it may be done correctly this time....I'm not asking for money, nor anything unreasonable...just the freaking truth. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/20/2007 5:26:28 AM | While my neighborhood is not the greatest, my street is a very good street with good neighbors. We have a quiet street and get almost no police calls here for nuisances. We have an unofficial block watch.
Last week, I received an assignment to recover a stolen car that had been towed off private property, taken without keys, the radio was stolen, and it was dumped in an apartment building parking lot a couple of streets away. Overall, the car was in very good condition. Even though it was 2 A.M. I tried to contact the owner, and the towing company in question is not always known as being the most gracious by most, but I have never had a problem with them. I will always try to contact the owner if the car is in good shape, to notify them of the recovery and to see if they want to pick the vehicle up rather than have it impounded.
The owner of this vehicle, as it turns out, lives right across the street from me. I did not know her, but I negotiated with the tow people. They agreed to let the car stay there, and if the owner hadn't picked it up during the day, I would come back that evening and to it to the impound lot.
My sergeant asked me why I didn't just tow the car. I responded that the Victim was my neighbor and it seemed like the neighborly thing to do. Anymore, they just kind of shake their heads or roll their eyes. I did not ask permission, I just did, and what was did was already done.
I got a hold of the landlord in the morning, and got her cell phone number, and got a hold of her.
It turns out that she only had liability insurance, so she would have also had to pay for the impound fee. When I learned she recovered her vehicle, I called the tow company and thanked them for their generosity.
That was a feel good moment for me, to be able to help someone. I was a dope to lose sleep over it, but random acts of kindness when you are in a position to do so are a good thing.
A few nights ago, there was a car thumping through a neighborhood on a quiet street in a fairly quiet neighborhood. As I went to my car and had to turn it around, the vehicle in question turned down the music and tried to dodge me. The advantage of age is that we were their age once, so we know the tricks and the games. I caught up with the car, and the driver had no idea why I stopped her and her companions. I told her that I was not going to take her face plate and that this was waivable. I added that noise complaints are one of the number one complaints received at community meetings, and it is about being considerate of others.
After I finished with the citation, I was approached by a couple of citizens from their porches that wanted to thank me for writing the ticket and share additional concerns.
These are called Quality of Life issues.
Cleveland is one of the most dangerous cities in the U.S. and we are on pace to have 132 homicides this year. I am fortunate that I get the privilege of meeting so many good and womderful people in my work as the odds are clearly against it. | |
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