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ousu
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 101 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/19/2006 1:07:21 PM | I am indicating to the post by Chinua.
Funny thing, though, is that often people act as expected. More respect, higher expectations the society is setting, e.g. here to the police, there is more self control and effort to fulfil high criteria among the police force. (Respect and self respect)
I do not agree with those who are saying that people who are complaining about police, are criminals, either. It is a bit bigger picture... in some places one of the last people to ask help are policemen, in some other places they are the only ones you really can trust. (See Arri's post above.) | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/19/2006 4:04:05 PM | A lot of people hate cops because they generalize. A few bad experiences and hey they all must be bad right ? That's just how people tend to think. I don't think I hate cops, I don't appriciate getting harrassed my them, I've noticed some things with the RCMP in my area that didn't really make me feel good to having them "protect" me. And in this town it would be better to feel protected then not with all the crack-heads and drunks running around. The police here have generally treated me pretty good, I get pulled over quite a lot but I do tend to cruise around a lot later at night and drive a red car and use to know people that have now "gone bad" ( no better way to put it). Mostly I don't mind them to much though. Heh one thing kinda funny, I got pulled over for slowing down and switching lanes to avoid hitting an officer that had another car pulled over and was standing out in the middle of the street. He's buddy up ahead pulled quite the move getting around the medium through the closest intersection to turn around and come get me. Although all he got on me slowing down to much to avoid hitting the other officer.....hm still don't quite get that but he was cute and seemed nice enough. So that was my kinda funny story.
The story that makes me sad is a guy that lived the next town up, my age, a boozer, generally a sarcastic little runt (just a wee bit mouthy) got taken in for being drunk in public and being an ass to the policemen. He was a nice enough guy generally, just alil roudy (like most rednecks) when drunk. He got left alone with a younger officer while he was signing his release papers, and got shot point blank in the back of the head, dead. The officer that did it quite literally got away with murder, all that happened was he got tranferred to a desk job in a new city. btw anyone living in Kamloops watch out. He claimed self defense.......but how is point blank in the back of the head self defense to a guy with no weapons, who's hung over and probably just mouthy and cranky............now I can't say for sure what happened all considering......but in a station, with an unarmed young man....you think there would be other solutions. That is not something that makes me feel to safe about the RCMP, but I will say, that was just one bad duck. The worst part is that the RCMP let him get away with it, just transfered him. That doesn't send a good message, nor does it comfort the young mans family.
I have to agree the cops haven't been much help when i've felt the need to call them. But they have so many stupid rules to follow that really a lot of the times their hands are tied unless they want to be 'bad cops'.
A good Story about the rcmp, my friend and me where getting harrassed by this guy that really thinks he's an untouchable big shot, and the cops that sit in the bar parking lot after bar gave us a ride to where we were going, even though they couldn't do shit about the guy harassing us at least they gave us a ride home.
Hm the point. They are just human, some good some bad. Some are the sweetest folks you'd ever meet, others are scarier then ur average drug dealer....and they are allowed to carry a gun...yay...but thats life and nothing is fair and things rarely end up right. Just like it's not fair to say " I hate cops" or "I totally agree with anything the cops do" because in the end what would happen if you met a cop that was your soul mate ? Or one day a bad cop attacked you for no reason ? These things happen, we're all just people. Treat Officers with respect unless they prove they don't deserve it, then well......try not to get yourself arrested ! And sure a lot of them are****.......but thats why you can't give a lot of people power, its just how some people react.
Curious, to officers reading this post. Do you have to go through any kind of human relations type training, on how to treat people, like empathy to rape victims (i've noticed that is generally lacking) or to treat people that are, for example, speeding to get to work with more respect then they would a drug dealer or women beater ? Sometime it seems the really bad guys are treated nicer then normal people, is that just being careful...or is there a reason ? Or just basic humanish stupidity ?
Wow this has gone on forever. Sorry about that. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/19/2006 4:05:29 PM | | Yes that's not necessarily the case. I know people who work for the FBI and I have a brother who's a police officer. I also have alot of aquaintances that are police officers (in other towns). I dislike the ones around here alot. The reason being, they act like they can do whatever they want. 2 came up one day because someone had reported a fight going on. What happened someone next door to me has some pit bulls and they were fighting and the guy was hitting the dogs and yelling at them to try to break them up. The cops come up to my house as I am walking outside to check on my kids and ask me (with an attitude in their voices) what was going on and who was fighting. I told them that I had no f'ing idea. I have never been in trouble with the law cept for minor traffic infractions. I don't live in the city limits and these were city officers, I guess I should have told them to kiss my rump roast (to put it midly). There would have been nothing they could have done about it anyhow. It's their attitudes I would say that's the biggest problem. They think they are better than everyone else, but I got news for them they aren't and neither is the next guy. You might be better off, but you will never be better. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/19/2006 4:06:16 PM | | I agree with msg 97..Boy that "Go ahead and hate us well protect you anyway.." Is total sh t like I can't protect myself.. I'll tell you I have a pernment back injury and sometimes I cannot wipe..You guys can do that for me.. | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 105 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/19/2006 4:24:02 PM | ousu.........not all have; but there are some- just read the posts, its the old- you don't like the police because you have something to hide. I do have respect for the police; I know its not an easy job; I've heard enough stories from my RCMP friend..........all the overtime with no pay; then people complain that they get paid too much! She's not undercover anymore; she's an instructor- but when she was.....she had to have a bag packed and in her vehicle at all times in case she had to follow a suspect to another town. Even when on maternity leave, she would get called into court. How many people are willing to do that?
I alos don't agree that we would be fine without police......... who are you going to call when your kid gets snatched.........or your car gets stolen/smashed.........GhostBusters??? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/19/2006 6:44:31 PM | Hello Officer Ben;
I admire your courage for posing this provocative question.
Law Enforcement Officers as a whole do a great job given the difficult circumstances they usually face on a regular basis.
For the most part persons that hate Police Officers are those engaged in criminal activities.
There are also those that think they have the right to break laws, be it speeding on a highway or any other illegal activity, i e smoking dope, public intoxication; because they think that these activities should be legal they adamantly resent when they are ticketed or arrested for their infractions. In other words these individuals think certain laws should not be or not applicable to them anyway therefore they will hate a Police Officer for enforcing said laws.
The Police Officers I know personally are good, decent men. Sometimes I find it difficult to comprehend how after dealing with the worst elements, the vermin of our society they still manage to maintain their sense of honour and fair play.
Unfortunately, and some in this thread prove this, Police Officers do not always get the respect they're entitled to. When my childred started driving they were taught that if pulled over by the police to be cooperative, not confrontational. This has worked for me.
BTW I find it ironic that someone accusing Police Officers of a lack of formal education is himself unable to correctly spell......Talk about the pot calling the kettle black......Geez. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 2:13:09 AM | | I think over the years here they have moved from protect and serve, to pretty much tax men with a gun. Try calling one here and there will be a minimum of a 45 minute wait and even if you give the license, name, and address they won't check into anything. Actually had one tell me to shoot at people. One night passed one sitting in a parking lot 3 minutes from my home, and called when I noticed someone destroying an empty home for sale down the street from mine. 1 hour and 20 minutes later that same cop rolled up.This is a rural area, and not a big city with lots of crime. After all actual criminals may hurt you, so it's best to give them lots of time to get away. Their credibility has suffered greatly. There are precious few who are in it to help people. 30 years ago it wasn't the guy who got his but whipped daily in high school who wanted to be a cop. Now with little exception that's who your dealing with. All that aside I was raised to show them a certain modicum of respect and always will. I do wish those today were of the quality and integrity of those of years earlier. I would like to add that if they were to move back towards an investigatory role and less of a state cash cow, the respect for them would grow overnight. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 2:31:29 AM | Ya cops do not SAVE everyone
ummmmmm i respect firefighters wayyyyy more then most cops. And i say MOST. Some i really like, some i really think are out there to do good
I had a firefighter friend that told me about how one day there was a huge accident, car rolled over, the girl was going to die. Now the FF was out there talking to the lady, calming her down, letting her last moments be that of something good. It was a cold day.
Where was the cop
Sitting in his squad car with the heater on sippin a coffee
Oh yes COPS are almighty now arent they
That was BS and that just goes to schow u how much they care
pffffffffffft
RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHT | |
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GP38-2
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Joined: 1/23/2005
Msg: 109 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 2:44:31 AM |
I would like to add that if they were to move back towards an investigatory role and less of a state cash cow, the respect for them would grow overnight.
There are a select few that still have pride in what they do, but they are few and far between. As stated in a previous post, this is what they do for a living, and, like so many other people, get bored with their jobs, thus they begin lacking motivation. As far as why some people hate cops, I'd say it's due to the fact that police might get in the way of their favorite activity (speeding, getting high, playing music loud, etc).
Speeding... yeah, I do it, but only when there are no other cars around and i'm on a straight strech. getting high... I've never done that, but the only reason it's banned is because the goverment can't make money off of it (thank god there isn't taxes on sex...oh wait thats prostitution) Playing music loud... they have a point with this one. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 5:34:21 AM | | My Hate is a big word to use,This word was not allowed in our home as a child,i personally do not hate anyone including policeofficers or any law enforcememnt,paramedics,firefighters etc,they are our lifelines in time of need,if we did not have these lines of support our children would be a mess,and our world would flip upside down,now i do have one problem with the man in uniform some do not represent the badge they wear or walk the line they went to school for,i said some i did not say all,but the majority of our men and women in uniform are amazing people ,to me i personally believe we are all men and women in uniform no matter our careers or our work of employment we are all human and we all represent a purpose some good some bad,if we continue the morals and values of our childhood to our children and future generations and give all we can we too can make a difference in our future world | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 9:27:05 AM | Knowing someday most of you will need the cops to help you makes me laugh inside. Guess you won't be hating that cop.
I hate criminals, and people that break laws. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 2:22:03 PM | Knowing someday most of you will need the cops to help you makes me laugh inside. Guess you won't be hating that cop.
Where do you get this information from ? I would like to know. From my experience, and from the majority of people I know, none of us have ever had a need for cops. At most we need to fill out paperwork then watch nothing get done, like when my car was broken into and the contents stolen. I would have totally avoided the police had I not needed to make a report for insurance reasons....I guess in that case I needed them for a piece of paper with their letterhead....hardly worth saying we will all "need" them. A secretary would have sufficed. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 2:47:38 PM | | Bullies who now wanto get paid to be bullies of the school yard, no difference. Forget the movies and that carefully edited show called Cops. See the reality. A drug dealer taker and bullie from my high school is now on the police force in my city pritty low isn't it. They get those jobs to keep people in fear, not to do good as you or I might. People in my city don't think of police the way we used to. Those who do are eather stupid or living in a cartoon world or have an emotional problem. The cops in my city were orderd to do a drug test and they have not cooperated so far and it's been proposed well over a year now. " Whats wrong...... you aren't guilty of anything are you police man?" Plus they have sex with the hookers and go to home to a poor wife after right after yuk testing testing 1,2,3 | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 6:21:59 PM | diamondbrooke,
I have one more question regarding your post.
I hate criminals, and people that break laws.
What is the difference between a criminal and one who breaks the law ? Is it like the difference between 0.25 and 1/4 ? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/20/2006 7:23:09 PM | | Excuse Me! msg. 106 I have a medical recommandation from my doctor a real bonafide medical doctor to smoke marijuana,,And as far as "Smoking Dope" goes voters passed prop 215 in 1996 it was the government that did not honor the law making them the criminals...How come the police don't check their own? There are many criminals within the law enforcement community..I stated the cops saved me and they did but I have also had negative experiences like the last time I called when a group of young men were beating a homeless man and the officers that called told those little sh t heads just who called and where I live..So I had to get rid of them myself and I did..Why call the police if they are going to pull a bonner like that?.Frontier justice all the way baby..And before I got legal through my doctor I was smoking the good weed anyway why have laws if the government is not going to honor them? Why have police if they are not bound "To Serve and Protect.." If they feel their life is in danger according to the supreme court. What the hell are they carring guns for? The police seem to serve and protect their own intrests anymore like the government no one serves the people..Oh they serve the rich..Like I said their best intrests.. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 3:43:55 AM | like when my car was broken into and the contents stolen. I would have totally avoided the police had I not needed to make a report for insurance reasons.. Well you did need them. God forbid your ever rapped or have a child kidnapped. Guess u might need more than paperwork help then.
Criminals to me are worse than someone speeding down the freeway or failing to signal. That is why I wrote criminal and law breakers, yes they are the same in theory...but I seem them as different degrees.
This thread just cracks me up...
so I guess all Teachers are liberal morons.
All cops should be hated.
All Athletes are using steroids.
All Lawyers are evil.
All Doctors think they are Gods.
Gee who else can we lump together under one stereotype? I mean because if one of them are something, they all must be. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 4:18:34 AM | | There are good and bad in all occupations.I dislike dirty cops because they are in that occupation for all the wrong reasons and hopefully at some point they get weeded out.Bottom line the world would be a very scary place without them.It's a tough job looking at misery all day.It takes a certain person to do that job and I'm glad we have those certain persons. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 8:30:58 AM | | While in the military, I elected to train as a Police Officer and went through an auxiliary program. When the local Chief of Police came into our class and proceeded to call everyone that was not a cop a "civilian puke," I not only lost interest in the career but also the respect for cops. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 10:24:40 AM | I find bigger city cops are actually pretty cool in general. It's the smaller cities where not a great deal happens that they act like pompous ar$holes. They actually have to look for work and bully motorists etc. Those cops I hate....with a passion. I've been thrown in the watchouse overnight, because I had been attending a party with dozens of other people. Someone stole a handbag and things got out of hand. I was waiting for my ride and dropped some money on the ground when I reached for my lighter. I bent down to pick it up. When I looked up, there was a police car in front of me. A group of people near me ran when they saw it. They were too lazy to chase them so they just grabbed me and locked me up! I was 18. Caught lice from the cell and my parents practically disowned me. To this day, I would like to smash that coppers face in. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 6:14:13 PM | diamondbrooke,
If I was raped I would not seek help from the police. I would go to a friend who would make sure that something other then paper work will happen. I have no children so I would not need the police for your other example.
This thread just cracks me up...
so I guess all Teachers are liberal morons.
All cops should be hated.
All Athletes are using steroids.
All Lawyers are evil.
All Doctors think they are Gods.
Would you rather us say....
All cops should be loved.
No athletes use steroids.
All lawyers are good.
Not a single doctor thinks he/she is a god.
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 7:50:47 PM | There has been a common theme that I have noticed throughout many of the posts contained within this thread, and a previous post hinted at it - generalizations.
It seems as though many people have taken their personal experiences, or the experiences of family and friends and applied those experiences across the board. I should note that this comment applies to both those defending officers, and those being critical of the Police.
My own personal experiences have shaped my view of Law Enforcement in the city of Windsor, Ontario, and that opinion is not kind. I am a criminal defence attorney, and what I see when representing accused persons on a daily basis has definitely jaded my opinion of a number of members of our local police service. There is a culture of violence amongst a number of the younger officers on our force, so much so that more then one lawyer has devoted their entire practice to pursuing civil suits for cases of police brutality. That being said there are a number of officers who are solid people, who take pride in their job and perform it admirably.
I suppose my rant leads me to this comment - those officers who allow, take part in, or do nothing to prevent abuses of authority in whatever shape they may take only add to the poor public perception that plagues many police forces.
And with respect to the comments by Diamondbrooke; all lawyers are not evil...
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 125 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/21/2006 8:44:05 PM | Right now I'm not happy with the justice system in my area; because of whats happening with a friend of mine(accused of something he didn't do)..and that includes the police. I'm not going to generalise all cops that way. It seems to me that city cops are a product of their area,not like RCMP, or state troopers who usually don't work in the area they grew up in. Maybe that should change...then you don't have to worry about that bully from school pulling you over for no reason.
For about 2 1/2 years I worked as a flagger(TCP), and because of that; worked with cops who investigated accidents........thats a nasty job that I'm glad I don't do; can you imagine staying 'normal' after seeing the immediate aftermath of fatal accidents?? There's a short highway in BC called the #11 ; the cops call it the highway of death..........because of accidents mainly caused by people who can't stand it if one more car gets in front of them. | |
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