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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/5/2009 3:37:22 PM | Actually, our rate of violent crime is average for the area. It's just the southern way of life. I live in a state that, according to government studies, has the 2nd highest obeisity rate and 2nd lowest IQ compared to all the other states in our wonderful nation (1 step above 'Ol Miss, if you must know which is the fattest/dumbest state). I find that both crime and obeisity seem to parallel IQ scores (just glancing at demographic trend maps, and who ends up in prison, as a whole, etc.). Around here, you bribe cops with drugs and underage sex, not food.
I strongly dislike my town in most aspects. Someone once told me: "You live in a small military town in the incestuous bowels of the South."
I find their description to be without peer. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/5/2009 6:18:22 PM | | I had a professor discuss the issues with crime, intelligence and the south actually popped in there. I think it has more to do with the education systems and the socio-economic situations of the disadvantaged. Being down south you probably have a bunch of obese white cops arresting minority individuals for nothing. Guaranteed!! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/5/2009 9:25:05 PM | I think bad mood cops give us this idea
however i'm sure there are great cops out there
just I have not met one yet
however, the main problem I'm thinking is that most cops tend to look at us as if we have done something wrong and I think these are two main reasons cops are not loved as much as they should be. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 8:53:37 AM | You wanna know why people hate cops?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ba_1246892244
Here's a video of a cop using a taser on a woman, because she took a few seconds too long to retrieve her licence.
That's why people hate cops. You're torturers, and we can't fight back against you. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 10:48:14 AM |
You wanna know why people hate cops?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ba_1246892244
Here's a video of a cop using a taser on a woman, because she took a few seconds too long to retrieve her licence.
That's why people hate cops. You're torturers, and we can't fight back against you
For one it wasn't a "few seconds". She was being very arguementitive and not following lawful directions. There may have been something that happened that the officer saw, but that we couldn't due to the angle of the video. I'm not saying that he was right, but without more information we don't know. The women definately wasn't in the right though on her end. Also at the beginning her passenger says to give him your DL and she says "No". She gets no pity from me what so ever. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 11:28:03 AM | Another example of why people hate cops... this video.
Both are in the wrong. He is way too aggressive and his words are as if he is a tough bully.
Pretty tough words against a woman going five miles too fast and not responding fast enough for his taste. Bad cops like this need to be taken off active duty. Period.
With videos like this circulating, it's no wonder the public has a fearful view of those who are supposed to serve and protect. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 11:37:19 AM |
For one it wasn't a "few seconds". She was being very arguementitive and not following lawful directions. There may have been something that happened that the officer saw, but that we couldn't due to the angle of the video. I'm not saying that he was right, but without more information we don't know. The women definately wasn't in the right though on her end. Also at the beginning her passenger says to give him your DL and she says "No". She gets no pity from me what so ever.
Fine, not a few seconds, 45 seconds. I checked the video.
Umm... a taser is supposed to be deployed when the officer is threatened with injury. There are levels of aggression that police are supposed to use to respond to a non-cooperative subject.
The first level is physical restraint and pressure compliance techniques. This is for non-cooperative, non-combative suspects. If the suspect becomes combative (as in throws a punch, assumes aggressive posture), you move to the police baton. If the suspect is still very aggressive and un-armed, you can proceed to non-lethal measures such as pepper spray. If the suspect has something in hand that he could hurt you with up-close, that's when the taser is MEANT to come out.
This guy belted her with 50,000 volts after talking to her for all of 45 seconds, simply because she didn't immediately comply. This is a device that has killed hundreds upon hundreds of people since its introduction, Robert Dziekanski at the airport for example, and a device that inflicts immense pain.
He used an ELECTRIC TORTURE DEVICE on a DEFENCELESS WOMAN posing ZERO THREAT OF PHYSICAL HARM, and you defend this cop? Amazing.
I guess I now understand how police states begin. You sicken me to the very depths of my being. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:32:37 PM | Actually, you're completely butt-fuckingly wrong and should read up on escalation of force. Tasers were introduced specifically to address situations where other non-lethal means might have resulted in officer injury.
They were not invented to serve as goddamned human cattleprods.
I don't care if the old woman cleaved a cop in twain with her Klingon Bat'leth the last time she was pulled over - during this incident, all she did was take a few seconds too long to get her licence, and became offended when the cop started screaming at her.
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:41:19 PM | Ultimately, most people hate cops because they are a symbol of authority that has become perverted. Do as I say not as I do is their motto, and plenty of them have an "us vs. them" metality and they give it off like stink off a turd.
Not all cops are bad. Some cops just keep their mouth shut.
Those are the 2 types. Bad ones, and ones who keep quiet to say alive/employed around those who are.
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Hellgremlin, if you got into a profession for the right reasons (like hte cops who are now having to shut-up and keep quiet) and then discovered your co-workers were dealing dope, and that your co-workers WERE the cops, what would you do? Do you care enough about a cop dealing some dope to end up dead in a gutter for narcing about it? I will be honest and say that I don't. I must say, I can't blame some cops.
A while back a few squad cars were destroyed by automatic weapons-fire in a neighboring town. No cops were injured. Investigation was almost non-existant. It quickly fell off the newspaper pages. Message sent and recieved. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 2:59:30 PM | But, that makes them equally bad, via a crime of omission. Corrupt, violent, abusive cops are everywhere - and the supposed "good cops" aren't doing anything about them.
To serve and protect, has turned into, to serve tickets and protect our own asses. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 3:19:29 PM |
The stereotype that cops eat donuts is pretty much dead and done. Nope, common knowledge that they eat doughnuts is dead on. That and their lying.
http://www.wnem.com/news/19939252/detail.html?treets=sag&tml=sag_12pm&ts=T&tmi=sag_12pm_1_11000207032009
Clare Police Dept. Buys Doughnut Shop
Nine Officers Purchased 113-Year-Old Bakery
POSTED: 11:17 am EDT July 3, 2009
UPDATED: 10:20 am EDT July 6, 2009
CLARE, Mich. -- A few Mid-Michigan police officers are creating the ultimate cliché.
When the Clare Police Department got word that their beloved bakery and doughnut shop was shutting down, the department decided to buy it.
The guys ribbed for spending too much time at doughnut shops outright bought one and they’re getting a lot of smirks and raised eyebrows from customers.
It turns out the previous owners were running low on dough and were just weeks away from folding up the 113-year-old bakery. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:36:32 PM | | Where I live, you must be dry, group, and individually tazed before you are issued a taser. That is all I know about it other than a tazer isn't a substitute for a firearm. A baton is also higher on the "wheel" than the taser I think, especially if you strike a yellow/red zone, which is all too easy to do in a scuffle. Red-zone strikes=mandatory suspension for a bit. Again, I am fuzzy on this as LE is not my career. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 4:48:57 PM | If you want to believe that, fine.
But actually, I'm not wrong. I work for law enforcement. IN TX. Where that video took place. And tasers are not just for people who might attack. And the old woman did more than just take her sweet ass time getting her license. She ADMITTED to doing more than that.
Ah, figured you were LEA. Sorry love, but no-one outside law enforcement would defend the abuse in that video. Just goes to show how your ilk will cover for each other.
I see a video of a cop assaulting a woman for no reason. You see law being fairly applied.
Hey OP, if you were wondering why people hate cops? This right here. Heck, don't believe me? Read the comments section on that video - you'll see how much we civillians appreciate that kind of policing. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 8:49:58 PM | through personal experience i've come to realize that there are probably 2 types of people become police officers.
1 type are real corrupt control freaks with their own personal agendas - who want to have an upper hand in the law and be able to do what they please because they know they're worth more than the average person.
then you have people who actually CARE about others and want to help out.
when you encounter a lot of corrupt police u basically just HATE THE POLICE.
its not necessarily 'right' but i understand it. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 9:04:46 PM | | When I was little, I used to admire the men that wore this particular uniform, that of a police officer. Then as I got older I got to interact with the worst examples of them. In Mexico, California, New Mexico and Texas... more and more it seems that the good cop is a myth that can be seen only in movies or t.v..... I hope you never change, ben_raines and that you continue to mold better ones... | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 10:22:43 PM |
Fine, not a few seconds, 45 seconds. I checked the video.
Umm... a taser is supposed to be deployed when the officer is threatened with injury. There are levels of aggression that police are supposed to use to respond to a non-cooperative subject.
The first level is physical restraint and pressure compliance techniques. This is for non-cooperative, non-combative suspects. If the suspect becomes combative (as in throws a punch, assumes aggressive posture), you move to the police baton. If the suspect is still very aggressive and un-armed, you can proceed to non-lethal measures such as pepper spray. If the suspect has something in hand that he could hurt you with up-close, that's when the taser is MEANT to come out.
This guy belted her with 50,000 volts after talking to her for all of 45 seconds, simply because she didn't immediately comply. This is a device that has killed hundreds upon hundreds of people since its introduction, Robert Dziekanski at the airport for example, and a device that inflicts immense pain.
He used an ELECTRIC TORTURE DEVICE on a DEFENCELESS WOMAN posing ZERO THREAT OF PHYSICAL HARM, and you defend this cop? Amazing.
I guess I now understand how police states begin. You sicken me to the very depths of my being
The "levels" that you're rambling about, which you obviously have no clue about, seeing how you're mistaken on alot of thing would be called a "Use of Force Matrix". The officer is allowed to go one level above what the suspect is using. You keep saying how the woman was just taking too long to get out her DL, but she was being extremely arguementative and even flat out said "no" to giving him her DL. He was giving her lawful commands and she refused to comply. When I worked for the county jail, by policy, if you told someone to do something one time and they didn't do it, you could spray them. They didn't want you too, but you were within the policy to do so.
Also I don't know where you get off with saying that a taser is a torture device. The shock is temporary. That should be obvious by the video the way the women starts running her mouth again only a few seconds later.
As far as not posing a threat, when he told her to face the car she she turned around to face him straight on, how was he supposed to know what she was going to do next. There's a little thing called a "reactionary gap" that she was well within.
Its funny how you say that I sicken you. Try coming up with a decent argument using facts instead of little tidbits that you've heard here and there and get back with me. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 10:27:43 PM |
A baton is also higher on the "wheel" than the taser I think, especially if you strike a yellow/red zone, which is all too easy to do in a scuffle. Red-zone strikes=mandatory suspension for a bit. Again, I am fuzzy on this as LE is not my career.
The agency I was trained with concidered a baton strike to the head/neck or groin area deadly force. Everything else was OK, but there are certain places that you are supposed to hit since those places will provide better results. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/6/2009 10:32:37 PM |
through personal experience i've come to realize that there are probably 2 types of people become police officers.
1 type are real corrupt control freaks with their own personal agendas - who want to have an upper hand in the law and be able to do what they please because they know they're worth more than the average person.
then you have people who actually CARE about others and want to help out.
when you encounter a lot of corrupt police u basically just HATE THE POLICE.
its not necessarily 'right' but i understand it
You forgot the third type. The type that wants a secure job with decent pay, benefits, and a good retirement but isn't able to go to school for years to do so. The type that wants a job where they aren't stuck behind a desk everyday, or doing the same thing day in and day out, and doesn't want a job thats going to be too taxing on the body in years to come. Thats why I went into the field. There's other perks as well, but they aren't the reason why I signed up | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 4:45:00 AM |
Nope, common knowledge that they eat doughnuts is dead on. That and their lying.
Nope! Not so common knowledge is the 'labeling theory.' People have stereotyped cops as doing nothing but eating donuts all day. I've said this before. If you have an issue with crime and your officers are doing nothing but eating donuts then it's your taxes that are paying for that.
The lying however is bang on but not donut eating. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 4:53:29 AM | Let's turn this story about cops eating donuts so they buy a donut shop bullshit and give it a different perspective shall we?
Here's a different take on that story.
http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2009/07/02/news/doc4a4b92eb71ea6241186393.txt | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 6:28:02 AM |
Its funny how you say that I sicken you. Try coming up with a decent argument using facts instead of little tidbits that you've heard here and there and get back with me.
I'm not coming up with my argument based on "tidbits". I'm coming up with it based on a video that seems to upset and enrage every human being that watches it - unless that human being happens to be a cop, in which case it's totally fair game!
You wanted to know why people hate cops. I gave you an example. I could give you a few hundred more, but I'm sure you'd come up with a creative pro-law-enforcement defence that justifies everything. I could link stories of cops serving no-knock warrants on the wrong home, and shooting family dogs because they ran up to the cop wagging their tails. I could link stories of people brutally beaten by cops, simply for knowing their rights. I could link stories of cops using their databases to track and harass people who speak out against them... but those would only serve to reinforce the us-vs-them attitude most cops have.
So, I guess I've said all I need to say. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 6:50:50 AM | I had a professor discuss the issues with crime, intelligence and the south actually popped in there. I think it has more to do with the education systems and the socio-economic situations of the disadvantaged. Being down south you probably have a bunch of obese white cops arresting minority individuals for nothing. Guaranteed!!
really did that professor also talk about how like 60% or 70 % of black kids are born into single parent homes. do u think that has any thing to do with the fact that these kids are uneducated. it seems like people want to put the blame on the education system, while it may not be the best, the real problem is the lack of parenting that goes on in this country.also about the south comment, yeah iam sure your right, i am sure no crimes are commited by minorities, u cant truely think that. whats the murder rate in new orleans ( a city with a high% of blacks) , any way remember that huge cop scandle n.o. had, where all them cops got busted for drugs, murders and and a bunch of other crap, well most of them cops that got busted where black, so heres black cops selling drugs to there own kind, killing there own kind, so iam sure your right when u just keep blaming the obese white cops. the problem in the black comm.is the lack of personal responseability, not the white man. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 9:28:30 AM | | Simple reason because with cops around people cant get away with things they done wrong. There for people hate them i don't hate cops i think its good we got cops around to put the bad people away. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 10:13:53 AM |
Here's a different take on that story. Didn't really see anything different. Michigan has bee one of the worst hit economically, but crime hasn't disappeared and cops still eat doughnuts. But now they own the shop. At least they have a steady income be cops. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 11:23:35 AM |
I'm not coming up with my argument based on "tidbits". I'm coming up with it based on a video that seems to upset and enrage every human being that watches it - unless that human being happens to be a cop, in which case it's totally fair game!
You wanted to know why people hate cops. I gave you an example. I could give you a few hundred more, but I'm sure you'd come up with a creative pro-law-enforcement defence that justifies everything. I could link stories of cops serving no-knock warrants on the wrong home, and shooting family dogs because they ran up to the cop wagging their tails. I could link stories of people brutally beaten by cops, simply for knowing their rights. I could link stories of cops using their databases to track and harass people who speak out against them... but those would only serve to reinforce the us-vs-them attitude most cops have.
The reason why a lot of stuff can be argued is because there's a logical reason why it may have taken place. The one you chose to share was a poor choice. As far as some of the other things you listed, people are human. They make mistakes. It doesn't matter if they're a cop or not. They could have been given bad information, or have to make a quick decsion under stress. Its not like sitting back and deciding what kind of Starbucks coffee you want today. There are some bad cops out there, but there's bad people in every profession. It seems to me that its the trouble makers that are the ones that speak out so loudly agaisnt LE. The public really only see's one side of things unless they have a very close friend or family member thats in LE they really have no idea of about some of the things that go on. Even then it can't truly compare to dealing with some of the stuff that happens. When it comes to the "us vs them" you are the one who keeps bringing it up. I rarely see LEO's bring the subject up, because they're usually not the ones that have an issue with it. You're probably going to say that I'm one of the bad cops since I'm arguing the LE side of things, but I've been thanked before by an inmate for not kicking his butt when I could have and would have gotten away with it. | |
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