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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 2:07:06 PM | The reason why a lot of stuff can be argued is because there's a logical reason why it may have taken place. The one you chose to share was a poor choice. As far as some of the other things you listed, people are human. They make mistakes. It doesn't matter if they're a cop or not. They could have been given bad information, or have to make a quick decsion under stress. Its not like sitting back and deciding what kind of Starbucks coffee you want today. There are some bad cops out there, but there's bad people in every profession. It seems to me that its the trouble makers that are the ones that speak out so loudly agaisnt LE. The public really only see's one side of things unless they have a very close friend or family member thats in LE they really have no idea of about some of the things that go on. Even then it can't truly compare to dealing with some of the stuff that happens. When it comes to the "us vs them" you are the one who keeps bringing it up. I rarely see LEO's bring the subject up, because they're usually not the ones that have an issue with it. You're probably going to say that I'm one of the bad cops since I'm arguing the LE side of things, but I've been thanked before by an inmate for not kicking his butt when I could have and would have gotten away with it.
Except when LEO's make mistakes people get SHOT. More and more innocent people are getting shot during your para-military raids.
Contrary to your beliefs, officer, it is more than the trouble makers that make noise about our freedoms. Your duty as an officer is to intimidate, threaten, coerce and bribe information out of us before we get hold of a lawyer and , yes, to uphold the law that you so often break yourselves. That is your duty.
It is pointless disagreeing with a LEO since they think they have the moral high ground when in reality all they are standing in is shyte. I will not talk to a cop voluntarily. I will not allow a cop to enter my premises even if he has questions that are not related to anything that i may or may not have done. The only way i will talk to a cop is if i need help and if you have a problem with me using you under those circumstances only, you must be corrupt.
Well, i do like to argue online with goons sometime.
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I have not seen the video that was mentioned above since i did not follow that link however i am pretty sure its the one where the LEO drags the women out of the car and onto the highway. Well, that guy got sacked so this will tell you how his superiors felt about that. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 2:16:43 PM | I will not talk to a cop voluntarily. I will not allow a cop to enter my premises even if he has questions that are not related to anything that i may or may not have done. The only way i will talk to a cop is if i need help and if you have a problem with me using you under those circumstances only, you must be corrupt.
See, that is an attitude at which, if I was LE, and you asked for my help, your file wouldn't even make it back to the station. I would feel bad about it accidently getting coffee spilled all over it, but hey, what can you do sometimes?
It works both ways. You help LE, they help you, or at least don't bother you. I have a working relationship with the LE in my area. Yes I understand plenty of them are corrupt, but they will be corrupt with or without my friendship, and guess what? When it all comes down to it, I would rather them smile at me and say "Slow down some for me." Rather than see the officer get out of the car and remember that I told him to get out of my place of business the day before.
-Perfect example-
A few months ago I was in a hurry. Doing 20 over, tail-gating the guy in front of me until the car to my left was behind me enough to pass, in which case I pulled in front and gunned it.
SUPRISE
I had just cut off an un-marked cop car. Congradulations. That got the lights thrown on. Startled the hell out of me and I hit the brakes (I was in a hurry and anxious to get it over with and continue on my way and deal with the ramifications later). Anyways, that 'vic almost comes smashing through my back window. Cop cars dont stop to fast.
EXCELLENT! I have now brake-checked an already pissed officer. Glorious.
End result? I told him who I was, why I was in a hurry, what I do, and he smiled at me and said; "Hey, I have been late for things before too, don't get killed out there." and handed me back my license.
+1 to me for not being a d!ck to every cop I meet.
Oh sure, Ideally we would all love to just say "They are corrupt, I won't be associated with THEM.", however, reality is not ideal. I will choose a path that leads to long-term success ALMOST every time.
*I do not advocate driving in this fashion, however, I think we would all be remiss if we claimed to have never done so. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 3:45:18 PM |
really did that professor also talk about how like 60% or 70 % of black kids are born into single parent homes. do u think that has any thing to do with the fact that these kids are uneducated
Of course he did. He's a forensic psychologist teaching in a university. It would be silly of him not to but I'm sure if he goes on to bigger and better things they would gladly take your application.
As for the donut eating officers....that falls under the labeling theory again. You've been suckered into it. It's not rocket science. It's quite simple in fact.
MrDannyDen. If you believe that minorities do NOT get the short end of the stick in the majority of life's situations you're living in a bubble! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 5:28:13 PM | Of course he did. He's a forensic psychologist teaching in a university. It would be silly of him not to but I'm sure if he goes on to bigger and better things they would gladly take your application.
As for the donut eating officers....that falls under the labeling theory again. You've been suckered into it. It's not rocket science. It's quite simple in fact.
MrDannyDen. If you believe that minorities do NOT get the short end of the stick in the majority of life's situations you're living in a bubble!
See, the thing is, Blacks as a whole view things that happen to them in life (success/failure) as "luck" and out of their control rather than the result of their own actions moreso than other ethnicities according to my medical textbooks. I tend to agree with this based on what I observe in my day-to-day interactions with people as well. So while minorities may get the short end of the stick, some of them adopt an "oh well, it is what it is" attitude much moreso than others.
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2 of my text books referenced it. One is my psychology text-book which I sold back, and one is my Transcultural Concepts in Nursing Care 4th Edition by Margaret M. Andrews and Joyceen S. Boyle, it has this to say on the matter (this book focused mainly on the nursing-care of different cultures):
CUltural Factors To Consider In Planning Tertiary Prevention For a Traditional Black Population
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Cultural Health Beliefs
Good health comes from good luck.
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I really wish I had my psychology text-book as it went more into success in life-goals rather than simply viewing one's health as not a product of what they do but of luck. It had a GREAT summary chart of traditional cultural beliefs on success and barriers to it. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 5:49:29 PM |
Blacks as a whole view things that happen to them in life (success/failure) as "luck" and out of their control rather than the result of their own actions moreso than other ethnicities according to my medical textbooks.
Citations please and the limitations to that study!
And to end this cops eating donuts argument
All cops eat donuts
I eat donuts
Therefore I must be a cop
I am not a cop!
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 10:02:41 PM | Except when LEO's make mistakes people get SHOT. More and more innocent people are getting shot during your para-military raids.
Contrary to your beliefs, officer, it is more than the trouble makers that make noise about our freedoms. Your duty as an officer is to intimidate, threaten, coerce and bribe information out of us before we get hold of a lawyer and , yes, to uphold the law that you so often break yourselves. That is your duty.
It is pointless disagreeing with a LEO since they think they have the moral high ground when in reality all they are standing in is shyte. I will not talk to a cop voluntarily. I will not allow a cop to enter my premises even if he has questions that are not related to anything that i may or may not have done. The only way i will talk to a cop is if i need help and if you have a problem with me using you under those circumstances only, you must be corrupt.
Well, i do like to argue online with goons sometime.
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I have not seen the video that was mentioned above since i did not follow that link however i am pretty sure its the one where the LEO drags the women out of the car and onto the highway. Well, that guy got sacked so this will tell you how his superiors felt about that.
No it is mainly the trouble makers that make the noise. Other people who know their rights and want them upheld know how to go about it without screaming and pitching a fit like a little kid. You can definately tell there's two main groups of people here. Those who either have LEO experience, have some idea of what the job is like, or can/is willing to look at things from an officers point of view and those who just want to bad mouth and make things harder for officers and then wonder why officers get pissed off at them.
As far as the video goes, no the officer didn't drag her out of the car. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 10:12:12 PM | Ok...the pastry is spelled doughnut d - o - u - g - h - n - u - t.
There are people that do nutty things and perhaps actually do nuts, but that is nuts. Perhaps many cops are nuts as they eat doughnuts that are really bad for them. High in cholesterol, fat, sugar, and no nutritional value. Perhaps they have mysterious sugar highs and this is why they ask mothers stupid questions like do they know anything about child pornography because the mother has a photo of her baby naked? I don't know. I just know that I stay away from doughnut shops and eat my faschnacts like a good girl once a year and that is it. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/7/2009 10:22:09 PM | I hate them because..er..well...
- They harassed my mom a long time ago whilst hitting on her.
- I was accused of owning a stray dog that would not stop following me around my neighborhood one day. I constantly told the guy that it wasn't my dog and he could do whatever he wanted with him. But no, he just kept retorting with "I'm going to have to write you a ticket if you don't help me catch that dog" and he wasn't joking. What an ***hole.
- Personally insulted me when my mom's boyfriend was caught with some sort of coffee filter. For god's sakes, what the hell did I do? I was a bystander! Wasn't I?! I rarely hang out with the guy; I had no idea he was on drugs.
- They asked "who I was" while I was in my grandmother's backyard, assisting with chores and also inquired whether or not if I lived there. That wasn't so much of a nuisance, but it still seemed unnecessary, ESPECIALLY when they didn't even ask my friend who also lived in the same town as I did.
I realize that it's their duty to "serve and protect", but you'd think cops would be more formal about their job rather than getting personal with insults, name-calling, childish stuff like that. It's completely unnecessary and I think they just do it for kicks. Either that or the local law enforcement in my vicinity consists of idiots. Wait, my dad used to work for them.. OF COURSE they're idiots.
After a recent incident with my mom's boyfriend and myself, I'm pretty much afraid to drive anywhere around here. I can't believe the crap they try to prove. Shouldn't you get some proof first, "copper"?
This topic makes me want to quote Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.
I've never been in trouble with the law and I'd like to keep it that way.  | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 5:30:31 AM | MrDannyDen. If you believe that minorities do NOT get the short end of the stick in the majority of life's situations you're living in a bubble!
wow we have a black president and just had a black sec. of state ( which by the way was called a house u know what by her own kind ) man we are really a nation full of hate arent we? do i think minorites get the short end of the stick , yes sometimes just like people of all races get the short end ofthe stick from time 2 time. look u cant live like a animal, sell drugs and shoot people and claim u get the short end of the stick, you can be what ever u want 2 b in this country and if obama and condi rice doesnt prove that then NOTHING ever will. its always eazier to blame others then it is to take acoountability for ones self, this is just another example of this. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 7:26:30 AM | No it is mainly the trouble makers that make the noise. Other people who know their rights and want them upheld know how to go about it without screaming and pitching a fit like a little kid. You can definately tell there's two main groups of people here. Those who either have LEO experience, have some idea of what the job is like, or can/is willing to look at things from an officers point of view and those who just want to bad mouth and make things harder for officers and then wonder why officers get pissed off at them.
Wow... so anyone who doesn't love cops, is a troublemaker... anyone who opposes police brutality is "making things harder for officers."
Mate, you couldn't have made my point for me any better. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 7:42:12 AM | Some areas actually try to do something. This is a program where cops get training. The Crisis Intervention Team, CIT. It's plain that in the video where the cop is just yelling at a very confused woman, that he has NO training or empathy and he is mishandling the situation. The original violation was going too fast and he unprofessional escalated it into the use of brute force.
To serve and protect. Otherwise, go work security at the Mall. We, the public want professionism and TRAINED officers who know how to handle all sectors of the general public, from the mentally ill, to minorites, to people just plain scared of the police who see these videos. We don't need bad cops. We need professional law enforcement officers who take their oaths seriously and don't abuse the very people they are hired to serve and protect. That's the bottom line.
To serve and protect, not scream and taze someone because you are having a bad day.
CIT - Crisis Intervention Team
The volume of calls to the Memphis Police Department from family members of mentally ill people in crisis has increased steadily since the CIT program began in 1988. Families tend to involve police earlier, too. "Before the CIT program, families were reluctant to call the police because they didn't know what to expect, and our officers often came into the situation with a maximum level of fear and misunderstanding," he said. "With CIT training, our officers are much more knowledgeable, and that makes them much more confident. That informed, understanding approach has a lot to do with promoting a good outcome for the call."
"What families with mentally ill relatives are most concerned about, and the reason many of them hesitate to call police into a crisis-they're afraid their family member or someone else will be hurt or killed during a police intervention," said Beth Melcher, Ph.D., executive director of NC AMI. "Unfortunately, that happens all too often."
'Mental Illness is Not a Crime'
Today the Memphis Police Department receives an average of nearly 20 calls per day involving a mentally ill person. In response, the dispatcher sends the closest CIT officer to the scene. Team members from each precinct are available 24 hours a day.
Before being sent on calls involving a mentally ill person in crisis, CIT officers take a 40-hour course developed jointly by the police department, the Memphis Alliance for the Mentally Ill, area mental health care providers and researchers at the University of Memphis and the University of Tennessee. "The course helps officers understand that mental illness is not a crime, but a disease," said Cochran.
"People in a psychological crisis are not thinking and feeling the same way other people do. That's the nature of their illness," explained Melcher. "If police arrive with sirens wailing and guns drawn and try to reason with or subdue someone who is extremely paranoid and frightened, it's not going to work. "But if the officers at the scene understand mental illness and know how to help the person in crisis feel calm and safe, the situation has a much better chance for a good outcome."
We can't have unprofessional police officers ready to taze someone because they are not responding fast enough, or pull over ambulances and put EMT's in chokeholds.
Defending any of these cops in these situations is ridiculous. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 7:57:30 AM | | I'm military and while I have no law enforcement background(nor do i neccesarilly want it either), I have great respect for cop's and firemen. I'm not even going to pretend that I've never been pulled over or given a hard time for no apparent reason, but hey if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. Also I think it has alot to do with parenting. Certain groups of people and certain neighborhoods have bred their children to believe that the cops are the bad guys. I tell my son all the time that the soldiers, firemen and cops are the good guys...along with spiderman and Optimus prime...lol. Back on point, every lasting society needs peacekeepers. Otherwise the country would be like the wildwest. And I assure you noone wants private citizens taking care of their own business. Because I can tell you..for the people that have it in for law enforcement....if justice were left to private citizens with the sort of things that go on in some of our cities and neiborhoods....you might find that the sort of justice imposed by the locals would be less peaceful then that offered by restrained law enforcement. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 8:04:36 AM | but hey if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about.
Unless you live in a house mistakenly targeted for a no-knock raid, and the police gun down your grandmother or dogs.
Unless you get tased 15 times in a row until your heart explodes, merely because you don't understand an officer's instructions (Robert Dziekanski)
Unless you get brutally gang-beaten by police because of your skin colour (Rodney King)
Unless you express an opinion other than one of adoration toward cops, and they use their database to target your vehicle for extra ticketing, harassment and pull-overs.
Unless you happen to have a significant amount of money on your person, and the police steal it because they believe it to be the proceeds of drug crime.
Unless you're Driving While Black.
Unless you're riding a bike through a park at age 15, when some big mother slugs you off it and begins wailing on your face. When you call the police, they do nothing to try and find the one who beat you up, and accuse you of beating yourself up and faking the assault. (Personal experience) | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 8:18:37 AM | [Unless you're riding a bike through a park at age 15, when some big mother slugs you off it and begins wailing on your face. When you call the police, they do nothing to try and find the one who beat you up, and accuse you of beating yourself up and faking the assault. (Personal experience) ]
As much as this is a horrifying experiance and yes it is just that...we see the exact same thing in war. Innocent civilians getting maimed or killed without cause. I am by no means justifying these actions. like I said i've had my share of getting pulled over for no reason. However, at some point it has to be about something bigger then ourselves or a few bad instances. Can you imagine what would happen tomorrow if there were no one to keep the peace? This country would go down in flames over night. I mean we are so quick to put everything on LE but come on lets not kid ourselves here people....are we really base enough to believe that law enforcement is inherently evil and that everyone locked up in prison are innocent? I was in New Orleans for Katrina working private security and I saw first hand hoods shooting at the Red Cross helicopters....shooting at the cops, cops that where securing the dead mind you...I saw them robbing the National Guard of their weapons because they were not cleared to use any amount of force whatever......sure there are bad cops and bad situations with good cops but honestly examine the big picture as to what these guys continually face. And what your neighborhood would be like without them | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 8:44:57 AM | You have nothing to fear from cops,,, Unless you own a piece of prime location commercial property that the cop who lives down the street wants.
When you tell him it's not for sale and he says, We will see right before him and his buddies break down your door and plant drugs so they can bust you..
Personal experience..... | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 10:18:40 AM | Unless you get brutally gang-beaten by police because of your skin colour (Rodney King)
odd u make that point, didnt that lead to reginald denny beein beatin for driving while white. look there are some bad apples in every group, its just the facts.but to take a small % of them and make it look the its the norm is misleading and wrong. we ask young men and wowen to go over seas and fight for this country and someof them do bad things, most of them ( and i mean the mass majority) dont, so because of the few bad apples should we not respect the men and wowen in uniform, the answer is no we should repsect them. do i feel bad for the people mistreated by the law, yes i do, but no worse then i feel for the white person that is beat upbecause they are in a black part of town, like i said there are bad apples in every group. other point to money thing if u find someone with 1000s of dollars on them and no job, where do u think that money came from? again some cops are bad abd do wrong things so do some blacks so should we just label them all bad? again the answer is no | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 10:43:59 AM | | It amazes me the amount of hate some people have for LE. I think bcole has it right. If we went for awhile with any LEO's people would have a change of tune. I've had bad experiences before with officers. One was a traffic stop and another was an accident that I was involved in. That one was race related. Did I complain about LE and how bad they all were? Nope. I complained about those two individual officers. Its already been mentioned that there's bad apples in every group. Why can't people see that? I guess we should just do away with all forms of LE. The place I'm working at now is housing a guy thats facing 9 life sentences +100years. I guess we should she let people like that go free. If LE didn't do what it did, including what some of the bad officers do we'd live in a truly lawless society. Some people behave just from the fear of being beaten by a bad officers. If they expected all officers to be strictly by the book they'd push him to the absolute limits just because they can. Criminals don't think like everyone else and are constantly trying to find a way to beat the system. LE has to be one step ahead, even if it means going back to old school methods. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 10:53:07 AM | | See my problem is with the fact that they are legally allowed to lie and get evidence that is planted, lied about by someone, or take something and say it is something and it disappears. I don't think anyone should be above the law or be allowed to lie. It seems if someone lies, they should be held accountable for their mistruths. They aren't. You pay the legal bills to defend yourself against something nonexistent and deal with the stress, the cops on the other hand have business as usual. They don't care if you are spending money because they lied. No skin off their nose. I think I was once told, well they took everything off your record because none of it was true, yeah, but what about my embarrassment, what about the money I had to spend on a lawyer, what about the memories of a child asking why a cop is going through their underwear? I have scars that will never heal. The system should be changed. Lying should not be allowed and those that lie to the police should be made to reimburse you for their lies. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 10:59:58 AM |
It amazes me the amount of hate some people have for LE.
And it amazes me that you, as LE, can't appreciate why those people might feel that way. I think you'd become a way better cop if you looked at things from the perspective of those "troublemakers" you decry.
There's a reason for the fear, the hate, the mistrust. That reason, if not you personally, is your fellow officers. Instead of defending them, like you defended the psychotic roid-raging taser-happy thug in the video I linked, perhaps you should try standing up for the people you're supposed to be... you know... serving and protecting.
For a change, I mean. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 11:06:44 AM | And it amazes me that you, as LE, can't appreciate why those people might feel that way. I think you'd become a way better cop if you looked at things from the perspective of those "troublemakers" you decry
wait they should look at rape thru a rapist eyes or murder thru a murders eyes, thats nonsense. a crime is a crime why they do it doesnt really matter, the fact is they did it. and there is a reason somewhite people are afaird of walking thru a black part of town so are u saying that blacks should appreciate that? again you are taking one thing and making it looklike the norm , its still misleading and wrong. so if someone breaks into your house and rapes your wife or kids are u going tocall the cops? my guess is u will, but when they get there make sure you tell them that they shouldlook at it thru the persons eyes who just raped your wife and kids , what a load of crap. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 11:23:08 AM | [See my problem is with the fact that they are legally allowed to lie and get evidence that is planted, lied about by someone, or take something and say it is something and it disappears.]
I think that you should actually investigate this a little more. Not even a month ago 3 police officers were given substaincial sentances...1 of them actually got a life sentace for planting evidence and faulty testimony against an alleged drug dealer. I happen to know that this happens quite often. Thats the beauty about being a U.S citizen-checks and balances are a big deal. Take for instance Internal Affairs- do you know how much red tape officers actually have to go through to get anything done? I know in Atlanta it is such a big deal in that too often cops arent even allowed t do their jobs to full capacity because of the red tape and cops being indicted. I saw first hand in Savannah a ring of dirty cops get indicted by the FBI. Honestly, I just think that too many people things confused......... | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 11:30:08 AM |
wait they should look at rape thru a rapist eyes or murder thru a murders eyes, thats nonsense. a crime is a crime why they do it doesnt really matter, the fact is they did it. and there is a reason somewhite people are afaird of walking thru a black part of town so are u saying that blacks should appreciate that? again you are taking one thing and making it looklike the norm , its still misleading and wrong. so if someone breaks into your house and rapes your wife or kids are u going tocall the cops? my guess is u will, but when they get there make sure you tell them that they shouldlook at it thru the persons eyes who just raped your wife and kids , what a load of crap.
Jesus... what? Did you read a single thing I said? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 11:39:26 AM | And it amazes me that you, as LE, can't appreciate why those people might feel that way. I think you'd become a way better cop if you looked at things from the perspective of those "troublemakers" you decry
this is what you said right, | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 12:05:00 PM | Overall, I don't hate cops. They have a dangerous job to do. I don't have to chase armed criminals in my job. They've got a job to do just like the rest of us.
I do hate corrupt cops. I believe that they feel they are above the law. Los Angeles and NY have many examples of this type of superiority complex. I feel they hide behind a blue wall of silence. I spoke with an old friend who told me that after she called the police for being beat up by her cop husband, the responding officers left without taking him into custody. I doubt cops get traffic violations when they're off duty.
I figure there were ten exceesive violence by an officer incidents before the one caught on tape. The cops I see on tape beating people have obviously been beating people for a while. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 7/8/2009 9:39:55 PM |
And it amazes me that you, as LE, can't appreciate why those people might feel that way. I think you'd become a way better cop if you looked at things from the perspective of those "troublemakers" you decry.
There's a reason for the fear, the hate, the mistrust. That reason, if not you personally, is your fellow officers. Instead of defending them, like you defended the psychotic roid-raging taser-happy thug in the video I linked, perhaps you should try standing up for the people you're supposed to be... you know... serving and protecting.
For a change, I mean
I'm done debating with you. You're too ignorant and won't listen to anyone what actually has knowledge of why some things happen the way they do. I can't help you until you decide to stop being biased and wake up to reality. | |
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