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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/28/2006 7:45:33 PM | They protect you and you hate them? Just what is up with that?
I see some of you whine about them yet wait for the day you need them.
Newsflash, they are people just like you and I. Do they have bad days, yes. Do they have bad calls, hell yes. GIVE ME A BREAK. If you hate them so much, go live somewhere in the woods and be quiet. if it werent for them, you car would get stolen within minutes, you'd have drug dealers for neighbours, your kids wouldnt be able to play outside, your best friend will get killed by a drunk driver... you could get raped, murdered.... the list goes on.
If anything, you should be thankful that there are people who will make sure the laws arent broken and if they are, that they do up all the paperwork and bs to get it to court where a judge gives them a slap on the wrist, lets them go free and that poor cop has to deal with that phucker again.
Until you walk a mile in their shoes and do what they do, you dont have the right to judge.
By the way, there are losers in ANY career... so go pick on them.
lovehockey, who are you btching at? all the posts above you arent saying they hate cops. And the people who are expressing dislike and distrust are giving valid reasons.calm down, lol | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 1:17:51 AM | I want to address this subject from a different angle, or maybe angles.
After five or ten years on the Job, one develops their instincts which is really greater than profiling. Also, we have regular customers, just like Cheers, where everyone knows your name. When they get to jail, the jailers say, JJ what did you do this time?
The very first time I tried to book a prisoner, he actually helped me, because he knew the process better than I. "Um, Ma'am, you need my belt and my laces and then you have to get my fingerprints."
There was another story about a man whose last remaining tooth fell out at the booking window, and he wanted it with his property which was allowed. It might not mean all that much to Outsiders, but it meant a lot to him, and while we laughed about the irony, he was entitled.There was one time when I was a rookie, and my training officer got into a p*ssing match with a young man on the street. Our initial call was because someone complained about guys playing football in the street at 3 AM. General policy is for us to tell them that someone complained so to just call it quits, but this was in a high drug area, so the villain confronted us, more or less, and said they were not doing anything wrong. I tended to agree with his outlook, but my training officer felt disrespected.
Yes, there is always an easy way and a hard way, and unfortunately I could see both sides.
We ran him for warrants, and he had some piddly contempt of court warrant, which means we must arrest, but my partner had the heart to not handcuff him in front of his children at least.
We got back to the station, and my partner consulted an anal-retentive supervisor and asked what can we write this guy for?
"We" wrote him for not playing on a designated play street, of which maybe there are ten in our entire city. I wrote the ticket because I was a rookie in training. A couple of years later, he got caught for a traffic violation and I got called in for the aforementioned.
Both the judge and the prosecutor were pretty much "What the F*CK is this?!" I told them exactly what I just admitted here, and the case was instantly thrown out.
I am glad that I do not have all of that testosterone, but please do not hear that I am saying that all male cops are****.
I write a solid police report.
I also remember writing a police report and calling the detective in the morning on my own time, because after the arrest while writing the report, I discovered impossibilities i the "victim's" story.
I am very meticulous in my writing as to specifics, and I care more about doing the right thing than going to court.
Perhaps I am really the exception and don't know it? Please do not judge me by my badge, my uniform, and my "authority" because I do not abuse it and am genuinely out here to make this corner of the universe a better place.
Furthermore, if someone gets pissed off at a police officer on a personal level, the first thing they want to do is report them to their supervisors and the media? We are held to a higher standard, as they say. What kind of BS is that to have a personal confrontation with another and have them threaten to report you to your boss and threaten your career? That probably goes back to other threads on whether to blame the other woman or the cheating, lying spouse, but I am too over that subject to have tge energy to post a thread on it. | |
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Joined: 5/29/2006
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 2:10:19 PM |
You've turned a rural area into checkpoint charlie where poor people live and cops make a fortune for the state. The fines are substantial and astronomical and they hurt the most vulnerable
if you cant afford to pay for insurance, DON'T DRIVE. No one forces people to drive, it's a choice they make. Driving is a privilege, NOT a right. | |
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 179 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 6:23:42 PM | AAARRG.....I totally sympathize with you and your friend; if it weren't for that judge, those cops wouldn't have gotten away with it. I hope he's found another job.........and let the media know what happened. I've got a friend who's having a hard time; and he's an ex-cop! I can't wait until I can get up in court and disprove the lies. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 8:35:48 PM | Twice I have been hit by uninsured motorists, at $500 deductible each time. That is $1000 out of my pocket because they made mistakes. What is really the difference between that an outright stealing $500 from another person?
Driving is a privilege and not a right!
I give breaks for observed traffic violations all of the time. But only if one has a valid license and proof of insurance! If one is driving without insurance, then they are potentially victimizing others, because when they cause damage to someone else's property, the victim slinks away and the victim pays.
If I stole $500 from you that would be an outrage for me to just get away with it, but really is the difference. I followed up with my insurance company and they said that it wasn't worth their time and trouble to pursue, because the perpetrator "didn't have a pot to piss in" so I was just out of luck.
I understand that I am not perfect, and nobody likes to be pulled over. If I pull you over and you have not caused an accident, have insurance, have a valid license, and did not M-F me because I pulled you over, I am not writing you a ticket. But if you do not have insurance, I perceive you as a potential victimizer on the roadways, and your victim will be left to pay for your discretions.
In an Urban community, perhaps not the suburbs, traffic is a way to find the Bigger Fish.
If one breaks traffic laws, has no license, and gets arrested, often a lot of drugs are discovered during the lawful inventory of the car for the tow.
I cannot speak for everyone out there in a uniform, and I have said that there are some cops that are just jerks (but there are some people out there that are just jerks, too). If I make a traffic stop, I usually get unrequested backup because I am not a Traffic Nazi, and I am very fair. Traffic is one of the easiest ways to get killed on this job.
For the record, when we do the Barney Fife thing and hoist our gun belts, it is not to look tough, but because the thing weighs 20 pounds and it is rather uncomfortable.
Most of my co-workers wonder why I even bother to make traffic stops because I advise, warn and send almost everybody.
For a cop, it is the reverse, almost, because if you start out too nice with a "NO PERSON" then you have been read as soft, and it is more difficult to go the other way. But if you are stopped by a cop, my recommendation is to be compliant, and be polite. Some of us are kewl and some of us aren't, but if you start by M-F-ing the kewl ones they are going to turn into unkewl, if that makes any sense.
I am more tolerent than most, and I have been called Sir by nervous young men on many occassions. A couple of months ago, I pulled a young man over that almost collided with my police car. I asked for backup, because I have a dog that depends upon me.
Three young black men in a car at 2 AM. The car pulled over right away. Driver produced paperwork that he has "work" driving privileges, on the other side of town. He was polite and respectful and not intoxicated, and showed he had insurance for driving his Momma's car.
After working too many years on the bad side of town (of which our side is becoming no better), I told him, "C'mon now! Driving privileges for work? Don't even try to play me like that! Do I have stoopid written on my forehead? You know you are not doing right! You were given a break and you are totally abusing it Don't even try to play me!!!"
Everyone said I should have written the kid. The reasons I didn't were because he was polite, and respectful, he pretty much told the truth, and he had a job. If I took away his ability to be able to go to work, that would just give him more time to hang out with his knucklehead cousins and really get into trouble.
I am hoping that the kid embraced the lesson that went with his break. Hard to say, but I still had to take that chance. I do not take that chance with everyone though, mu gut told me that he had potential.
I saw a movie, "Pay It Forward" and I can only hope that every person that I push along pays it forward, and what a better world this could be!
Some communities require officers to "produce revenue." Some officers think of law enforcement as primarily a business.
I know a lot of good cops, and many that still love the game and the chase. I also know some that are mostly just in it for the money, but even a lot of them will surprise you in their goodness.
Me? I am pretty much of a dork. I am fair, genuine, and honest. So many people lie to the police or tell only the part of the story they want you to know. I try to track down the entire story if possible, so that spending two hours now doesn't spend eight hours later. The detectives appreciate it, but my peers often have a tendency to ridicule me. Further, if I had chosen to sleep around, I would probably have a wonderfully cushy job right now. But I have clawed tooth and nail to get to where I am at, and that has earned me the respect of quite a few of my peers! It has taken a long time though.
Plus, they tried to make me a Chosen One, with all of the benefits, but I refused to sell out to politics. Very long story, but I have somewhat clawed myself into the respect of the rank and file by not succombing to politics, when they tried to mold me.
Politics are very powerful!
I chose not to participate in the thievery!
Maybe there is a reason that many people hate cops, but please do not hate me for how I earn my income, because I am one of the "good guys" and there are quite a few of us out there! | |
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Msg: 181 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 10:09:22 PM | ^^ and what would the deductible have been if they had been insured?? how about getting a different insurance company?
Are you going to tell us every single story from your job? Sorry, but you sound more wimpy than nice to me. And saying that those cops that have done criminal things are jerks is definately an understatement. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 11:46:40 PM | | In watching this thread grow the common theme is a lack of respect for local law enforcement. I've personally never met a state trooper that didn't deserve more than a little respect. Maybe the lack of enthusiasm and lack professionalism dwells therein. Bottom rung of the food chain syndrome. I do think someone hit upon an excellent point also about certain agencies not letting officers work in their home towns. That to me makes very good sense. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/29/2006 11:51:02 PM | chinua,
if one is hit by an uninsured motorists,then any repairs to their own vehicles must be paid, meaning thier deducticble.
To say I sound wimpy makes me think that maybe I should begin to write every single person for every minor thing, because it is the law?
Driving is a privilege and not a right, and because I give breaks on the road to people with valid licenses and insurance to be called a wimp? That is just hostile!
If you have to pay your deductible to fix yoour own car because someone victimized you, well from now own I will have no pity for you!
In fact, from now on I will no longer give anyone any consideration nor any breaks, and if they ask why I will tell them that you enlightened my judgement!
No more cop stories here! No more discretition offered to the people that make traffic violations. Just merely Black or White~~you broke the law and here is your ticket. Thanks for illuminating what I was apparently too human or wimpy to see!
Sure, some cops have done criminal things, but there are more criminals than criminal cops!!!
But from now on, thanks to you, I will just be a by the book cop that writes everybody for every minor infraction, lest I be called a wimp, rather than a person that sees a baby in acar seat in the back, that does not want to take finances away from the child.
\Thanks so much for putting me back on the right track, chinua! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 12:22:44 AM | ^^ and what would the deductible have been if they had been insured?? how about getting a different insurance company
The deductible would have been that they would have paid rather than the victim paying for their own personal error!
Accident is defined as an unintentional act, but when you F*CK up someone else's property, then should they have to pay, or should you?
The deductible would have been paid by them if they had insurance!
I will not degrade myself into any name calling, except to say that you are very ignorant! Ignorant is different from stupid, because it implies a lack of education rather than a lack of intelligence. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 7:57:50 AM | chinua,
I had totally forgotten about this, yep another dreaded cop story.
A car stumbled upon a burning apartment building, called for Fire and asked for assistance and we were about 30 seconds away. A dozen police, without the gear nor the training of fire charged into that building and saved a lot of lives, banging on doors and getting people out.
On the third floor there was a sickly woman that could not walk on her own, and Stan and I carried her down the stairs, though it was slow going. I was scared as hell, and it was getting hot in there and she wasn't helping one bit. Dead weight is very heavy weight, but we saved her, and everyone else in the building!
Don't make summations when you do not know all of the facts! You are still entitled to think I am a wimp, or any other cop for that matter. Just do not be a hypocrite, and don't call us when you need us, if you hate us that much! But if you were to call us, we would serve you just the same as anyone else, whether or not you are a taxpayer, because that is our job.
Next time you get a ticket, tell yourself, well at least the cop wasn't a wimp and didn't give me a break!
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 9:09:57 AM |
Next time you get a ticket, tell yourself, well at least the cop wasn't a wimp and didn't give me a break! Ha! I love it!
I agree with you NocturnalPrincess that the police do much good, but for many, myself included, we only see the negative from the police. Indeed, the positive isn't talked about as much as the negative. Also with our current justice system, many, once again myself included, would rather see street justice as many criminals get very little for their crime, if anything at all. I had a friend caught with a large sum of money, cocaine and a drug phone. He wasn't read his rights and said since the vehicle he was in was a friends he wasn't aware of the drugs....he got a bill from his lawyer, that was his only punishment. The police had him on their watch list of known drug dealers but due to our poor justice system he walked. There are also the stories you see on the news about child molesters getting house arrest for first offences....what kind of justice is that ? | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 9:42:30 AM | To address a bunch of posts and keep this active…
Police/law enforcement officers are not trained to beat people senseless. Use of force is supposed to be only to overcome any resistance offered. Ideally, an officer just showing up on scene and talking with others should be enough, and in most cases, it is. But when an officer goes up the use of force continuum and uses force of some sort on a citizen, it can seem to someone on the outside, or even to an officer who views it later, as a brutal, excessive and needlessly violent act by the officer. Seeing the whole incident can often show and explain why it ended as it did. Of course not every incident is going to be excusable. There are numerous incidents where the police went too far, and allowed emotions of various types (fear, rage, racism for examples), or sadism, or poor training to combine with the incident to go over the line of what is reasonable and commit crimes against the subject and violate their rights.
When I have had people go for my gun, that is life and death and I use everything I can to get him off the pistol. Wrestling with somebody on wet is another example of using force on someone where almost nothing works, not pepper spray, pain compliance, reasoning, except whatever it takes to put the guy down or immobile. It's like fighting with Frankenstein.
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As for a lot of the personal stuff that is directed towards some of us trying to respond and interact, good luck owning those feelings. If there are such strong feeling and opinions that government in general and officers in particular are so evil, there are avenues to changing things. Or just vent. I hope you all vote and express things to your representatives.
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Aaarrg!, the court case you drug incident you mentioned involving your friend does sound like a crock of sheet. Does this happen everywhere? Yes it does, but not every court acts like this. I do not have any familiarity with the court system in Maryland (if this is where it occurred) but there are more appellate courts that the lawyer should have filed this case with, since the verdict seriously impacted your friend's career. From the judicial and prosecution's shenanigans that you stated, to me it sounded like a low level court (Mayor's Court?) that had a verdict in mind even before the case was called. And the appellate court's decision was way off and wrong. There would be a court above the appellate court with the judge and just reviewing his actions most likely would toss the entire conviction.
Your friend should seriously look into seeking the services of another lawyer to get that tossed. And without starting a big discussion on lawyers, I would recommend seeking a lawyer that specializes in civil rights and is known for fighting "the system." Lots of lawyers in this category and they accept cases such as what your friend has for little to no fee, since they are interested seeking justice for those who have gotten the shaft. Plus there are plenty of lawyers in this class that feel all cops are evil liars and judges are crooked! 
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I don't see a common hatred of cops in the thread. Some people have gotten what they feel is the shaft from a cop and are justifiably pissed. They don't see the other cops that are out there to protect and serve (its corny I know). Yes there are some bad apples and some that are just a little spoiled, but to say that all are the same, that is so totally wrong. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 9:49:09 AM | | Because I have never run into one without some defect mentally. Most people who are cops come from homes where Daddy was not around, worked too much, or left. They have control issues. You have to have a deficiency to want to be a cop, something was missing, and you have to control the situation. You have to be the daddy. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 10:04:27 AM | NocturnalPrincess,
I do not feel that you are wimpy for telling your stories to illustrate your points. Maybe I should start inserting stories some too…I could make this m u c h longer. You have made some great points and you are exhibiting what it is to be inside. Are you normal? I don't know. What is normal for us po po? 
With you being a dog fan, you may like this very simplistic analogy (police related): The police are like sheep dogs, protecting the flock of sheep from the wolves. When there are no wolves around, the sheep dogs annoy the sheep and the sheep try to avoid them, thinking that what a pain in the a*** it is to have the sheep dog around.
But when the wolf, a predator shows up looking for a sheep or two for a treat, all the sheep try to hide behind that lone sheep dog when he faces that wolf. And the individual sheep dog will square off with the wolf to protect the sheep, ignoring the danger to itself.
I must credit this to LCol. David Grossman, who came up with this. It is very simple, but I am sure that you and others will see what I mean, and others will begin to pick it apart.
When there is danger or shots fired, cops run to the danger to get the predator.
My next dog will be a border collie (or maybe just a happy mutt).
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Yes, so many negatives are talked about instead of the positives, when dealing with cops or any thing. Just look at the news. Day to day positive stuff is not popular. Going on a calls with my FD's rescue squad, I have seen them bring people back to life after being in full arrest numerous times, and have participated in an amber alert to get a kidnapped five year old back safe and sound.
Except the media showcases the latest incident of public misconduct, corporate problems or celebrity drama and this gets more play than something going good. I admit that I myself would probably puke if I had to read a newspaper full of happy-happy joy-joy stories, but it is a fact that there is so much good going on out there, but it gets tuned out.
Street justice would be effective, but who should decide that a suspect gets pounded? For better or worse, a person has to be prosecuted and his fate is decided by a judge or jury. While not perfect, I strongly prefer this to tuning someone up who may not be guilty. I understand where you are coming from, since the courts are way too lenient, especially on those who have money, or connections, or even a good shyster. And those who go in to accept responsibility and admit their mistakes, realizing they made an error in judgment sometimes get punished worse that someone who is overwhelmingly guilty but has connections or knows how to play the system. They are many problems with the justice system, but I prefer it to other what countries do. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 1:34:28 PM | Seabat31- He did appeal the case and that was where all this happened. The first trail lasted about ten minutes because that judge didn't want to hear anything. He did actually spring for a very well known lawyer that really did a great job. Everyone in the court just sat there speachless when the defense didn't win.
The beeotch about it all, and the reason this guy did not choose to appeal again, was after talking to his lawyer and paying for two more consultations with two other highly reccomended lawyers, he was told that he could deffinately appeal to the State of Virginia Court of Appeals but at each level of an appeal if you are found guilty you face a stiffer punishment at every level.
So he was absolutley scared to death to appeal the case again. If he pled guilty at the getgo he would have gotten the same as the other two guys. But since he was not guilty and neaded to protect his career he fought it. By doing that he got the sentence that he did. All the lawyers told him the same thing. If he did appeal again, and was found guilty, he would get the maximum sentence, which included a $2500 fine and 1 year in jail. So he decided to bend over and take it. It is really sad how "the system" works sometimes.
I have four cops in my family (2 married to sisters and two married to cousins) and to be quite honest, I friggin can't stand any of them, and nobody else in the family can either. They all were pretty normal for the first few years on the job but now they are just plain out and out A-holes! One that is married to my cousin applied to over 40 departments but he flunked the psyche test. Ah, but alas, he found a smaller department here in the good ol' Communistwealth of Virginia that hired him. This is the guy that brags about the F'ed up tactics they use on people. I really liked the part about how if they search a car and don't find anything, and believe the person is guilty but just didn't have "whatever" that particular day and for the motorist "wasting" their time they let the drug dog in the car to rip up the interior. I really thought that was cool.
I think it's insane how all the cops here and in real life always say that most cops are honest it's just a couple bad ones out there. But then a video comes out showing those same cops beating the snot out of someone, shooting an unarmed person, etc. If there were so many good cops then there wouldn't be so many complaints and videos showing cops acting illegaly.
I just can't ever trust a cop. I do believe that the majority of all police are dishonest but they just can't see it themselves. I see every day that I drive that they can't even follow the most basic traffic laws. I watch the crazy cop video t.v. shows and I see that after chasing a car that wouldn't stop, then the guy gets out with his hands up, lays on the ground spread eagle, it takes every single cop thats been chasing him to jump on top of him, cuff's him then dragged his ass across the pavement. A little excessive I think.
I got this funny tidbit from my brother who works as a Paramedic (for 33 years so far) in the DC/metro area. They run this call for a shooting. Turns out this cop chased this dude on foot for resisting arrest. The suspect is running down some walking trails in a neighborhood and comes to a wooden foot bridge where he (from the cops descriptions) supposedly stopped and turned and pointed a silver revolver at the cop and shot one time. So the cop returned fire and killed the dude. Now for the weird part. They didn't find a gun on the guy but they figured it fell off the foot bridge into the water. So they taped off the scene and waited untill morning to get a dive team out there to look for the gun. Did they find a gun? Damn right they did! Not only did they find a gun, they found FIVE silver revolvers with one spent shell. Hmmm... I wonder how that happened?
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Msg: 192 | |
| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 7:08:59 PM | -The hip-hop culture is anti-cops.
-100k cops do good things every day no one ear about it.
If one of them do something wrong we all ear about it.
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 11/30/2006 10:52:35 PM | To Ben. You're trying to defend a profession that people know a LOT less about then they actually do. You and I know why a cop will go thru a traffic light on red, turn off the lights and proceed. Burglary in progress call. You and I know about going from one bad call to another without so much as a piss break, or getting something decent to eat. You and I know about going from burglary alarm to burglary alarm do to a lightening storm and all of them false. Why, because we're required to check them all out. You and I know about giving someone a break on a speeding ticket, only to walk into the office and see that person you gave a break to, telling your boss that you don't do your job well, 'cause he didn't receive a well deserved cite.
You and I know that sometimes you'll save a life, and sometimes you'll be recognized for it, and sometimes you won't receive so much as a pat on the back. You and I know that if you do go into a restaurant for a decent meal, and its crowded (and its the only restaurant around for miles) that someone is there keeping tabs on when you arrived, and how long you stayed, so they can complain about it to the mayor or someone else. You and I know about working in the most God awfull weather, working overtime 'cause your boss needs you to cover the roads until your relief gets there (late do to bad weather of course).
You and I know that eventually, after years of handling calls from bats in the house, to someone's dog ate the neighbors trash. . . . it comes to an end. And all those years of eating crap for food (because most cops eat junk, because its fast, and they don't want to get written up for staying too long for a decent meal). And all those years of having to utilize a radar device (many to chose from, but I refer here to those hand held models) that you may get testicular cancer. And all those years of stress from racing from call to call, jumping out of the cruiser to stop some guy from beating his kids and wife, that you will more then likely die of a heart attack. It eventually does come to an end. And if you're lucky, you may receive a pension, that now includes you paying for your own medical benefits, which leaves little in the way of a pension to live on. But if you're a decent person, you may be able to obtain a job as security somewhere, because the other places you tried to get a job at, well they read your application, and saw you were a former police officer, (and as you can see by this forum), people don't like and respect police officers anymore, so someone less educated then you will get the job you needed to suppliment your pension. I did my job to the best of my ability, saved lives, and made a difference. . . . . and I'm d@mn glad I'm out. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 12/1/2006 7:45:45 PM | "We cannot expect people to have respect for law and order until we teach respect to those we have entrusted to enforce those laws."
~ Hunter S. Thompson ~
I don't "hate cops". I don't hate anyone. I despise cops!!! Hate is too much energy to put into anyone that I personally don't give a flyin' F about!!!
In Loving Memory of: My Daughter, first born, only daughter ~ 7/16/1975 - 12/24/2002 . Her crime, not loving someone whom insisted he loved her!!! My Daughter was stalked for a minimum of 2 full months, by a spoiled narcissistic brat co-worker...The off spring of 2 cops (2 diff' counties). Rejection gave him the privilege to murder My Daughter 12-24-2002??? When both of ya' parents are cops, "Someone is getting away with murder"...Our motto for an unknown, until ya' need it, organization FOHVAMP*!!! Which I am now a member/advocate to/for!!! Add a BIG gun advocate!!! My Daughter's murder is a cold case, number, TOTAL attempted cover up. Falling...
... "Under Color of Law"* = When a person acts or purports to act in the performance of official duties under any law, ordinance, or regulation.
I have filed this lawsuit. I am My Daughter's ONLY voice, now!!! I refuse to allow ignorant people to attempt to change my opinion, or insult my intelligence, IE: The heroic cops!!! I was raised by a cop. Not just a cop, but a Lieutenant!!! Whom decided the brotherhood was far too corrupt for him to be a bro' of, any longer!!! I have been on The Montel Williams Show, CNN, Court TV, (To name a few), speaking freely for My Daughter's rights. Last I knew this was the "good ole' U.S.A./America, home of the free, the brave, and most of all, freedom of speech???". Why even ask such a bias question is beyond me. I am mentally stable, confident, in my job performance, add myself, to ask such a narcissistic question...All the while patting ya' self, and ya' bros' on the back!!!
And NO, neither My Daughter, nor I, EVER have/had ANY criminal record!!! As a private live-in hospice RN for very high $$$ clients, I am required to pass a C.B.I. for every/any job I choose!!! Just as My Daughter was required to do in her profession!!! I have struggled deeply ALL day with this question!!! Each time deleting my entry. The FACTS!!! The fact list is very lengthy. Last count was 67 violations against the brotherhood!!!
This is not my first despise for cops...Just the finality!!!
Finality is watching ya' child's crypt close, NEVER to see ya' child again...Failed by the system whom is sworn, trusted, and paid by us the citizens, taxpayers to: "Serve and Protect"...Yet the same system turns their backs on whom they are sworn, trusted, and paid to "Serve and Protect"...To protect their own, the brotherhood!!!
Adding insult to the most heart-wrenching experience EVER!!! The brotherhood destroyed ALL of My Daughter's cold case file...From the restraining order, My Daughter's cell phone, which appears in ALL the coroner's photos, her recorded 911 calls pleading for HELP, ironically answered by a High School friend whom now refuses my phone calls, her clothing, to her last ER visit. Which according to the coroner, "There was never an ER visit, just DOA!!!" My Daughter's last ER visit was witnessed ironically again, add sadly, by my best friend since 1st. grade!!! Whom was just 31 minutes shy of her shift ending that P.M.!!! The brotherhood attempted to leave NO physical evidence!!! LMFAOOL!!!
Flame me...Can't flame me any worse than life has!!!
I give 2 factual search keys, followed by an asterisk*...Educate ya' self, I had to!!! | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 12/1/2006 8:16:23 PM | Mama, reading your post was painful. Cops seem to get away with alot more than they should.
My girlfriend was beaten half to death by one. She showed up at work one day petrified (shaking) because he was stalking her with threats... I had to give her a couple of my Lorazepams just to calm her down. I visioned hunting the pig down and torturing him for what he was putting her through. She did what she could to keep him away but he had one above her working for the law.
<div class='quote'>"Serve and Protect"...Yet the same system turns their backs on whom they are sworn, trusted, and paid to "Serve and Protect"...To protect their own, the brotherhood!!! I totally agree.
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Posted: 12/2/2006 12:08:44 AM | Mama,
Your post broke my heart. It completely broke my heart.
Perhaps because I am not a golden child, and just a grunt who
Several years ago, a fifteen year-old girl was murdered by a stalker here in a suburb called Shaker Heights. The police dropped the ball, the county dropped the ball, and the System dropped the ball! Her father was Dr. Chang, the best math teacher I have ever had, and his daughter was torn between her heritage values and trying to be a normal American.They summoned the police on numerous occasions, but our lenient System failed this family at the cost of their daughter's life.
I genuinely feel for you, and I sincerely hope you win your lawsuit. Of course that will not bring your daughter back.
I have to wonder if the police involved hadn't written more solid police reports than BS two sentence reports, if the System might have had more severe actions taken against this man, but I do not know.
All I know is that I am a part of this world, and I really do care about people, I get ridiculed on the inside for taking the amount of time I do to talk to people and the time I take to write a "bullshit" misdemeanor report.
I was almost raped by a police officer when I was a youngster, and GSI'd by the family doctor.
If I show up at your door, I am going to identify myself as Police. In average cases I will ask you if I may come in, and most of the time people say yes.
In a situation involving domestic violence, I try to interview the children first, because they are the most truthful.
Just like all departments, we have officers that really make you wonder.
Maybe I am an Alien, but I know I do the best I can to help people, and I know plenty of others like me, even if we may be in the minority, we are still out there.
One very Old Timer loved his job in the Accident Investigation Unit. Handled an accident where a young white girl ran into an unsupervised black toddler that darted into the street, and the child died. He honestly reported that the driver was not at fault, and even after the driver's house got shot up, he refused to change his report. The Department reassigned him for adhering to his integrity.
That was a tragedy for all of the individuals involved.
I am not trying to say I am that great, but I am genuine, honest, and fair. So are a lot of other cops!
It is an outrage and an atrocity what happened to your daughter, but that was just another one of the many dysfunctional individuals that slipped through the cracks.
A Sociopath is a person that understands the difference between right and wrong, but it doesn't matter, so long as the means justify the ends. These are people that pass lie detector tests. They are devoid of consciences! They slip through the cracks.
It makes me feel good when people say thank you for being human and taking the time to give them the information they need. I do not know if I am the exception or the rule, but I do know that there are a lot of good ones out there, and many that I do not like so much.
Please at least give me a chance when I come to your door, before you choose to hate me, is all that I ask. | |
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| Why do so many people seem to hate cops?
Posted: 12/2/2006 12:21:45 AM | Bloodless,
I have had arrestees with crack in their pockets that claimed they borrowed their dude's pants and didn't know it was in there.
Birds of a feather???
Personally, from what I have read in your comments, I like you, and you seem fair and like a very decent person!
i may not be the typical cop, and I rarely go to the Union Hall to soiree, but if a cop is in trouble I will jump into the melee, and if a citizen is in trouble I will respond to my oath to protect and serve.
Are there cops I do not care for? Absolutely!
Are there citizens that seem hopeless? No Doubt!
It is a stressful job, most definitely. I accept the responsibilty, and always try to be fair.
I argue with some of the ticket writers, but that is more of a what goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas type issue, so I cannot elaborate.
You didn't, but someone else did. Do not call me a wimp because I do not write you a ticket! I saw a traffic violation and I pulled over in search of a bigger fish, not court time. traffic violations are Probable Cause for further investigation. But that is just me.
Thank you for understanding, Bloodless!
~Miriam | |
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Posted: 12/2/2006 9:15:40 AM | I do take medication for my anger Miss Georgia Peach who really lives in Akron Ohio if it was so good in the South why didn't you stay with your own? It's a good thing I do take medication too..I'm not no bad a$$ but violiate my rights and I'll show you a thing or two. I actually live in Southern California the cops are not so bad in Santa Barbara in fact most of them are nice but they are not that way everywhere..But people like you gotta get on here and not allow people their opinions because they disagree with your way of life..As far as me and my medication I know of cops that take 10 times more then I do..You'ld be surprised who you meet in Anger Management.. I'm sorry Mama for your loss... | |
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Posted: 12/2/2006 11:27:05 AM | Hey darkangelofdeath, and TY for ya' understanding compassion!!!
I STILL have deep sincere concern for ya' G/F!!! I was also again let down by the cops in 1995!!! I had a stalker. He stalked me on, and off for almost 5 years!!! I had numerous police reports in 3 diff' counties. According to the cops, EVERY county he was stalking me in, I had to file a report in each county??? In such modern days, IE: PCs, etc.??? IF, the cops had arrived immediately when I called 911, I never would have been stalked!!! As I was "only" reporting my car attempted to be stolen...The cops did not arrive for over an hour!!! Allowing a tow truck driver to arrive first. By the time the cops finally showed up, my car had been towed away by the man whom became my stalker!!! The cops having ALL info' on this man, yet claimed until he psychically touched me, all good!!! Finally, after almost 5 years of pure hell, this man appeared where my ole' man (At the time) worked...I just happened to be at his job for lunch that day. My ex ole' man being a clubber biker...Enough said, done!!!
As stated in my prior post...I replied numerous times to this question ALL day...Only to delete. This subject is very painful, add very near, and dear to/for me. I have many more horror stories, IE: "Why do so many people seem to hate cops?". I deleted all the other incidents, as the importance became sooo unimportant after losing My Daughter.
I didn't mention, I also speak at High Schools, Colleges, etc., IE: Stalking...The seriousness of what most find a LOL!!! Stalking is a pursue stealthily deliberate fearful act of intimidation...Usually dubbed love...Which can very easily turn violent, resulting in death!!!
I read ya' pro'...Being a mortician, I know ya' can relate to what its like to attempt to reconstruct some one's whole left side of their face, head, etc.!!! I asked the mortician/funeral director (Whom by the way was a very sincere compassionate human being, a mother also), if I personally could plz apply My Daughter's make-up, jewelry, and her regular hairdresser was there to do her hair...Dawn, the mortician/funeral director was more than obliging. As I was putting My Daughter's earrings in, a real reality check awoke me from the haze that had over taken me...Dawn asked if I would allow her to put My Daughter's earrings in on her left ear...Hazed, RX'd (Every emotion poss'), puzzled I questioned her request...Dawn "had" to inform me that My Daughter's left ear, plus, was wax/fake!!!
Being an RN, I have served my time in the largest city hospital in CO. Thinking I had seen ALL...Nothing will ever compare to seeing, holding ya' own deceased child for the very last time EVER!!!
TY again, boys in blue for ya' sworn, trusted, and paid to "Serve and Protect"!!!
TC darkangelofdeath!!! Until...Yes, Angels Do Fly , mamamugg | |
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