| why can't felons get jobs but illegal alien's can ?
Posted: 11/18/2006 10:09:48 PM | and as far as the thing on the alian thing they tack are jobs and live off the goverment the min they get here . they get every thing food money and every dang thing i need but were is this country going . when i can't get a desent job and they can im not askinggg for corpite jobs but factory work
fordgirl6s
If this is your boyfriend's writting, I can tell you one reason why he isn't getting as much work as he hopes and it's got nothing to do with a criminal record. Even to do factory work or stocking shelves you need to be able to read and spell. You should start proof reading applications for him before he hands them in. Also since he isn't working much send him off to a local library to improve his speech, spelling, grammer and all that boring crap, it matter's to an employer. Trust me, I don't have a criminal record but I dropped out of school young and have found everything I do to better educate myself helps quite a bit. As you stated at the begining of the thread this isn't racist, well if it isn't stop blaming the aliens and maybe try a little empathy towards them and their situation. They didn't take your job in anyway shape or form, the employer didn't hire you and that's the problem, not them. Hope this helps, best of luck to both of you | |
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Posted: 11/18/2006 10:57:20 PM | how do you do a backround check on an illegal alien?? how do you know he didn't committ a crime back in his own country?? You don't ... because where "background" checks are necessary, they will not be hiring any "illegal" aliens. A true background check includes determining the citizenship or legal right of a person to be in this country. And if they are not a citizen of this country, they also have to show proof they are legally allowed to work here ... ie have a work visa, and they would have fingerprints on file with the government as well.
as for legal aliens( we call them immigrants here) how do you check on them?? Fingerprint cards, the Department of Immigration ... where their background and fingerprints are recorded in the process of granting them "alien" status, checking with previous employers if they have been here working for a while.
are the employers willing to contact germany or wherever tthey came from?? Some do ... it depends on the job they're applying for. In the case of my friend from Wales who works for the Phoenix police department ... his background check went back to his birth ... ie he had to account for all of his time from birth until present. But that wasn't difficult as he already had all that information recorded up until he became a legal alien. So all he had to do was add what he had been doing from that time forward ... much as a person does when they apply for any job and the application asks for your employment background.
I personally helped my husband (at the time) make a time line (so to speak) that accounted for his time spent in the same manner when he applied for his green ("alien") card. And they do call and check on previous employers in your country of citizenship before you are considered eligible for "legal alien" status.
Believe me, the older you are when you apply for your immigration, the more difficult that can be ... as some employers may no longer be in business and there is no one to attest to your claim that you worked there or that the company ever existed.
If anyone has more questions ... feel free to email me and I'll do my best to help with clarification. Or it can also continue to be discussed here ... for all to read. | |
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| why can't felons get jobs but illegal alien's can ?
Posted: 11/20/2006 6:04:00 AM | this is fordgirl6s 's boy friend i never went to prison but you must have not read my thread
becase like i siad my crime was 10 yeas ago .and you think tat the coment the othere put on here would open your mind up and see what is going on the one that stuck with me was
felons can't get jobs no wonder why this country has so many robbers rapeist and home less people it's because this country does not give people like me a shot at like . but i will never rob steal or muder no one because i have not got a job that would onley be giving in to the system and everey body elses veiw on convited felons like i said i did my time paid the prise and im still beeing punised 10 years later for what i had done .i have morals and why give in to the stigma of oh he's a felon and will alway be one . | |
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Posted: 11/20/2006 6:18:48 AM | It is probably less expensive for the Mexico tax system to release their felons into the USA and let the USA take the risk of being de-facto parole officers, employers etc.
With no records, Mexican felons have free reign to do as they want in the USA, including work in factories, contractor labor for union breaking, etc.
Big corporations are using illegal Mexican felons to break the average working American. It is not just or fair and certainly not the American way. It is good that you brought up this subject as we all need to be more aware of injustice in society. | |
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Posted: 11/24/2006 10:31:56 PM | Actually, fordgirl, you and your boyfriend are correct in your statement
live off the goverment the min they get here . they get every thing food money and every dang thing i need
There are millions of illegal aliens on welfare. In LA county 80% of births are to illegals. They are of course admitted to the hospitals without any need to ever pay for this hospitalization. As soon as they give birth they are accepted into the welfare system accompanied with food stamps and medicare.
There are numbers of felons in positions of responsibility and trust. Example, lawyers. Recently I retained an attorney to the tune of thousands of dollars. When he'd not performed the work he was hired to do I demanded return of my funds. He refused. A very simple to perform background check, available to any one with a computer, revealed that he'd been prosecuted for stealing from clients 7 years earlier. He was found guilty despite his tearful defense.....he had to steal from his clients because he had an expensive cocaine habit, which cocaine was necessary to combat his alcoholism. Despite this sad defense he was found guilty and sentenced to 2 years in jail. He was also disbarred. After serving 6 months he was released. Five years later he was readmitted to the bar.
So he is an 'Officer of the Court'; supposedly held to higher moral and ethical standards than the rest of society. However he is still a theif. He also serves on the California Bar Ethics Committee. You see if you've enough power, money, influence you can be hired in positions of trust even after a felony conviction. Too bad you didn't go to law school.
My last 2 gardners were American. The previous one had been in jail, was married, wife worked for the ASPCA and they took in dogs, had eight. He was a decent, honest man, loyal hard working. Perhaps as some one else suggested you may try some type of independant work. Acquire references.
I wish you luck, wish I could help you. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2006 1:17:28 AM | fordgirl6s after reading the post from your boyfriend or you, whomever I have to agree with chthonic, about proofreading what he does, or even helping him when he is filling out applications, I won't lie a lot of aliens work and are gainfully employed theres no questioning that.
We all make mistakes in spelling and puncuation etc, but when it is concerning a job, we have to set the bar a little higher.
He needs to have an edge in this tough job market, and whether you want to admit it or not he already has one strike against him, in the eyes of prospective employers.
Another question is the reason for the prison time itself, that could make a big difference as for jobs handling momeny or private information etc.
I am not trying to come off as a bad guy, because I don't like to see anyone denied work, so just a suggestion, and good luck. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2006 7:40:55 AM | | I think this thread is an awsome subject to be discussed, I think that it should be to the employers discretion because you have to look at a few things when hiring. The severity of the crime, how long its been since the crime, and what has the person done to improve themselves since they got convicted. If someone has did something in there past, you know what? it happens we all make mistakes, but they have to do something to show that thats what it was a mistake. For instance my father has a felon that is working for him in a management position, the guy came for the interview showed court documents that everything was done and fines paid ect. but he also showed my father a masters degree that he had earned after it was all said and done, plus the guy had rebuilt his credit and worked 3 jobs trying to take care of his children. So yes its fine to hire a felon they just have to show that they have done something to improve there life and they need to show that on a resume and have hard proof. As far as Illegal aliens are concerned I dont think they should be allowed to work here and the fines should be severe for those hiring them going to the point of taking business liscences. I do on the other hand think that if someone came here and did something like military service for 4 years, then that gives them the right of being a citizen and joining the work force legaly. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2006 10:02:29 AM | So I rent out rooms, and about a year and a half ago I took a big chance and accepted a female felon from work release as a renter.
I've watched her try over and over to get it together, and watched her also be blocked at every try.
She is honest to a fault, even somewhat blunt. But it's nice, as it keeps us all on keel.
She pays her rent and utils on time. On the rare occasion she can't, she was really sick for a few weeks last year, she let me know upfront when I could expect it and worked her butt off for overtime to catch up.
She can't get any health benefits, food stamps, or subsidized housing.
She tried to go back to school, but kept being told she couldn't pursue chosen majors because of her past.
She is lucky, to have an $8 an hour job doing telephone surveys. She can't get anything better because of her past.
She is actually one of the most inspiring people I've ever met. I know if it was me, I'd be a basket case from all of the road blocks, but she just keeps on trying to move forward, somehow, someway. She admits openly if it wasn't for her support network of friends and family she wouldn't be able to stay straight.
In short, I took a chance, and had my eyes opened. There are days when I wonder why anyone is let out of jail, since they dont get any sort of chance to make good and have a decent life post prison. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2006 11:24:40 AM | One thing that must be considered when on the subject of convicted felons getting jobs is liability. If a business hires a convicted felon and that employee does something of an illegal nature that hurts the business financially, whether it be a direct act like embezzlement or something indirect that ruins the company's reputation, often the business' backing insurance company will deny their claim and not issue any money. They consider it to be an unnecessarily high risk to employ felons and would rather hire someone with little background.
You can argue that it's wrong for an insurance company to do this, but the one of the responsibilities of an insurance company is to assess the potential risk of a payout. This assessment is made through observing background information. It's not different than getting auto insurance. The number of strikes against your driving record you have had in the past indicates the potential risk of strikes in the future. The same can be said for convicted felons.
Having served their sentences, we would like to think that a convicted felon has "learned their lesson", but in fact, a substantially large portion of the felon population committed their crimes due to illogical rationalization witch make them candidates for future crimes. Unfortunately our prison system doesn't have an effective way to change a prisoners thought process so that they may feel true remorse for the crime that they committed or to ensure that it never happens again. Their only motivation to not commit a crime that our justice system offers is fear, and of the different means of motivation, fear has proven to be the most productive toward a population, but least productive on an individual level. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 12:51:30 PM | One out of every hundred people have been incarcerated, igf we as a society do not give them a second chance it is understandable why so many commit and revert to crime again. It is their only means to an income ... Consider a young ex-offender who seeks employment to live as decent as possible. Consider too a company seeking "honest" workers that are "reliable" and "trustworthy". I have emphasized the words in quotes not to point out the culpability of hiring ex-felons but to underline the main concerns many employers have regarding that hiring practice.
When seeking to diversify a workforce many employers look to immigrants rather than a group that has long been excluded from the list of minorities. Not all ex-felons can be considered criminals. Some were people who committed acts of violence or were involved in illicit activities because of circumstances they were in at that time. They were not committing those crimes as part of their way of life.
Let me quote an ex-felon in Greensboro NC writing an outraged response to society's treatment of him and others like him:
Many of us are nonviolent offenders who have taken great strides to turn our lives around, only to be slapped in the face with criminal background check history that may be more than 10 years old, time and time again. I find it extremely hard to find out where punishment stops and redemption begins.
All we want is to be able to support our families and be productive, taxpaying citizens like everyone else. Instead we are reduced to being slave workers for temporary services.
If we really are rehabilitating ex-felons and helping them "reenter" society, shouldn't we also consider helping them find employment so they can support themselves and their families without resorting to crime? Luckily there is still a goodly number of employers who are felon-friendly.
In a Denver Office of Economic Development 2005 survey, nearly 350 area companies reported they would hire ex felons. Companies who hire ex-felons seek people who are starting anew. They are more likely to be in their best behavior because they are highly motivated to keep their jobs as part of their parole agreement or their release terms.
Another reason for companies to be felon-friendly is that employers can receive federally mandated tax reductions – up to $2,400 per worker – and a free insurance policy. The tax benefit is part of the U.S. Work Opportunity Tax Credit program that encourages employers to hire disadvantaged job-seekers.
Job search questions and answers for ex-felons abound at Yahoo! Answers. One of the best answers was given by Mufasa who recommended "Safer Foundation" (located just west of downtown Chicago, close to Union station). They have contacts with several of the large corporations in Chicago and can get an ex-felon a job. Usually ex-felons first work a couple of smaller jobs until the employers can evaluate how well he or she works and then they'd set the employee up with Commonwealth Edison, Peoples Energy, and other companies which are felon-friendly.
Another organization helping ex-felons find gainful employment is DenverWorks. This nonprofit training and placement organization helps prepare a variety of workers for primarily entry-level jobs, likely in janitorial, food service, manufacturing and warehouse settings.
The organization also conducts job-preparation workshops and provides free clothing for employment interviews and new employees. Its computer lab is open for training and job-search use.
Reach DenverWorks at (303) 433-0300 and online at www.denverworks.org.
For ex-felons seeking jobs from felon-friendly companies try following these job search tips from credible sources:
The JobLounge - Resumes for Ex-Felons
The Ex-Offender's Job Hunting Guide | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 3:09:28 PM | Come on now "fordgirl6s." You're better than that. You know why we don't do background checks on illegal aliens. Have you ever seen the weaponry those sons of mothers carry around? If you even look at them the wrong way, their liable to blow your entire city sky high. Not to mention, they have those nifty little shape shifting devices which make it almost impossible to figure out what their "real" background is. If I were you, I would delete this question before they tap into the system and find out that we've been talking about them. I'm out of here. Aaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S: Tell your boyfriend to stop whining. "If he did the crime, he's got to do the time." People think that when they get out of jail that it's back to the good life. No way. The "time" continues until the day you die or when you move to some location where no one knows you.
Sincerely yours,
VinceRich | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 3:52:07 PM | | I'll admit I'm unaware of how certain things work in the US. Up here is Cda though, if you've stayed out of trouble for 10 years, you're almost guaranteed to qualify for a pardon. The wording on a job application is "Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offence for which you have not been pardoned?" Generally, for summary conviction offences (comparable to misdemeanors) you can usually apply for a pardon 3 years after your sentence is over; for indictable matters (comparable to felonies) 5 years, both with the prereq that you have stayed out of legal trouble since the conviction. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 6:39:12 PM | OMG....felons have paid the price. Geeeeez...not giving them jobs is like asking the criminals to commit more crimes.
While many convicted felons are successfully reformed, there are still many who would commit the crime again given the same situation. Trying to trust a convicted felon is like trying to trust a partner who you caught cheating on you. They may never do it again, but who knows?
Forgiveness may be Divine, but only a fool forgets.
And to the OP's BF: Are you telling me that you have not worked at all in the 10 years since your conviction? If so, then I will have to say that you desperately need to lower your standards. Why do you think illegal immigrants have jobs? Because they are willing to do the jobs that you turn down.
If you have had jobs in the past 10 years, then what happened to them? Why aren't you still working at them? The fact that you are no longer working for them (perhaps you got fired or maybe you left under poor circumstances) may be a big contributing factor as to why you are having a hard time finding employment now. I know too many ex cons who have actually done prison time that have jobs to believe that this is the reason that you can't find one. | |
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Posted: 7/6/2008 7:56:25 PM | OP- I read through a couple of other posts...but started getting frustrated with some of the responses I saw. So, for now, I won't comment on some of the other posts I have read.
I'm a felon. Not proud of the fact...but was young and dumb. It doesn't matter if he has one felony or 100 felonies....his job search will be hard either way. I do agree that there are some places who do hire illegal aliens without looking into their status. My SO's employer is one of them. In fact, just recently, they found out that one of the Hispanic men working for them was illegal, was using false documentation, and was wanted on a whole array of charges. He was fired. Once the gov't came in and checked things out, the company rehired him!!!
Your bf can go to the local Employment Security Commision and ask about being bonded. There are groups that will bond felons...basically insuring that if they were hired and did something (stole $$$ for example) that this group would be responsible for any loss due to criminal misconduct by the felon.
There is also a federal tax program that will give the employers a tax break for hiring a felon. He can also get that info at ESC.
In most areas there is also some type of vocational rehabilitation program. If he doesn't have marketable skills, they will help him get the skills he needs. They will also (if he falls within financial guidelines) help buy him work clothes, boots, tools, etc...whatever he may need for his job.
As I don't know his charges or his punishment or your location, then I can't really give any further advice. If you like, feel free to send me a message.
~Welder's Girl~ | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 1:11:52 AM | The government has been trying to work on the problem of felons caught in a catch 22. They want to get thier life in order but with no income they have to revert back to the old way of money making.
The government does this by giving tax breaks to companies that hire ex cons. One company that takes full advantage of this is Trans America Truckstops or TA for short. I had an ex gf that worked thier and almost half of the staff were ex cons. But just because they believe in giving people a second chance doesn't make them nieve. If they get the slightest feeling about stealing or treating the customers bad or any other illegal activities they will fire them. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 1:40:49 PM | | Because most Illegal Aliens are using social security numbers of dead people in alot of cases and paying taxes to the state and feds and they let it slide because they government doesn't have to pay them taxes paid in from a dead person. They also will never have to pay a dead persons retirement check. So it's like money in the bank. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 1:52:08 PM | I wouldn't hire your boyfriend (or you) simply because your spelling and grammar are horrible. If the job application looked anything like your posts on here, or you interviewed as carelessly as you write, you'll never get a job. A basic education is a prerequisite to getting a decent job.
Now Weldersgirl -- I'd hire her. | |
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| why can't felons get jobs but illegal alien's can ?
Posted: 7/7/2008 2:00:29 PM | Because many of the jobs illegal aliens are applying for are jobs that even fellons don't want to do such as work harvesting a field, clean hotels, etc all for low pay, very long hours, lousy or no sanitary facilities and no benefits. Plus employers like to hire them because they know they won't complain, and a fellon, since he won't get deported, can complain about substandard conditions and pay.
Plus, being here illegally doesn't necessarily mean the person is disshonest, lacks integrity or is a bad person in general. Many are just trying to make a better living for their families back home and have the same wants, desires, and morals that many Americans have. So when an employer encounters an illegal alien thier integrity isn't the first priority, however, when they encounter a felon, it most likely is. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 2:06:53 PM | Have to agree...it isn't just the record...but the lack of education. It is apparent in the posting!
Communties buy a garbage truck worth a quarter of a million dollars. You want to entrust some yokel that couldn't even get a basic education with it? It is the taxpayers that paid for it! It is theirs. YOu have to entrust it to someone...and certainly not to some idiot that didn't even take advantage of the free schooling offered to all, up to grade 12.
Maybe this guy can go join the army or something...that might increase his chances of ever gaining anything back in society...the ability to say "I am a vet...learned my lessons from my younger days and did soemthing with my life." Beats pizzing and moaning about immigrants.
Maybe he can go to the local "manpower" or gov't job agency or whatever and see about upgrading his education. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 2:14:24 PM | | Wow, Captain Girly GIrl, that's a great policy! I wish we had that here. I know that many people make a mistake here in the US and if they truly want to rise above it, it can be very very hard to do. The black cloud of "felon" follows you around forever here. I don't know that I'd support it for serious crimes such as rape, but people who have done the time and shown over the long term that they've truly shaped up their act from stuff like drug convictions or robbery,....yeah, on a case by case basis I could see that policy doing a lot of good. | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 2:22:32 PM | Join the army? You gotta be kiddin? Thank the Lord he CAN'T! I'm retired army and I can tell you we only want trustworthy intelligent educated people who have a strong sence of teamwork and honor . Sure a few slip through the cracks now and again, but we weed them out pretty fast and ship them back where they came from!
Sheesh! I can't believe you'd even consider giving someone like this access to all our weaponry, technology, and security ability! The wolves are kept locked in the chicken coop at your house aren't they... | |
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Posted: 7/7/2008 2:35:56 PM | OP - his difficulty in getting a job is a consequence of the choice he made when he committed the act in the first place that resulted in his conviction as a felon. Sorry, but that has zero to do with aliens, legal or otherwise, filling jobs.
He put himself in his situation and has no one to blame but himself for the consequences he is currently experiencing.
So he has to exert more effort into the job search to find someone willing to hire him - he did that to himself.
So he has to apply for 50 jobs to get three interviews and out of that one job offer. Oh well - he put himself in that position and rather than him waste energy complaining about it, his energies would be better spent knocking on more doors for a job (legal kind of employment, of course).
JMHO | |
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