| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 4/9/2007 12:06:59 AM |
If a theory could ever become a fact or law, then the big bang would be one. Considering the distant galaxies travelling away from us and cosmic background radiation, questioning the big bang is like questioning whether the earth is round. Its not even a matter of dispute anymore.
Thanks canibaljoe, I agree with you. You only have to see the daily astronomical discoveries, to see the big bang may be a big fizz. Sometimes I think its a religious ploy, god had this big ball, dropped it and bang it spread out across the universe. That's why I have no faith in god, it's crap, as is the big bang theory. Recent discoveries seem to show the universe is going in many directions, at different speeds.
For all we know, the stars of the universe may be doors between dimensions. The matter coming from some other dimension, is converted in stars/suns, then pumped into the universe in varying energies, just like an oil refinery. Black holes may be doors from this dimension into others, which may be stars/suns in the other dimension. It's those possibilities that show me there is no positive outcome for having faith in a god, as it doesn't change. It just gets more disruptive and destructive, in its application upon the planet | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 4/9/2007 11:48:49 AM | stormbay... you're a pretty deep guy. i must admit this. but let's try and focus a bit more in religion... though i guess science is a religion in and of it self.
you know what, never mind. keep it up!
personaly i believe in the possibility of alternate realities, reincarnation, different levels of dimentional reality, extra terestrial life, and beings that are beyond our understanding... possibly ghosts, possibly beings that are on an astral level of relaity that are trying to cross into ours, either on purpose or by accident.. i don't know.
is there a god? ... possibly. is the god that christians believe in real? mmmm, probably not. at least not as they see him (or her, or it)
i'm going to expand this forum. i want to hear people's idea on what they think is going on in this world. things that we just can't easily explain away with EVERYONE agreeing on it. what do YOU think? | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 4/9/2007 2:07:06 PM |
i'm going to expand this forum. i want to hear people's idea on what they think is going on in this world. things that we just can't easily explain away with EVERYONE agreeing on it. what do YOU think?
There is a war going on in this universe. A war between good and evil, between love and hate, between the truth and lies.
Any reasonable person would choose the good over the evil, because of the observable effects each side has had upon this world and the people living in it.
I have noticed that many of the nay-sayers and secular humanists focus on the negative, thinking that this is "reasonable".
They see the actions and effects of the actions of those that claim to have faith, but in reality do not, and so they judge all by the actions of those they see in the news and their followers.
They fail to look beneath the surface for the unseen.
They fail to realize that God only wants us all to be happy, TRULY happy.
True happiness can only come from true faith, which is trust, which comes from love.
Attaining this is not easy.
But it can be done if we at least first believe in the possibilities, and persevere to overcome the obstacles in the way.
We can not serve two masters, we must fully commit to God's side in spite of any obstacles.
One of the greatest stumbling blocks to people even trying, is that they see faith as simply a set of rules and restrictions, The Ten Commandments, for instance.
These laws, the moral absolutes we ALL know and understand within our own hearts and minds, are for our benefit and for our ultimate happiness and freedom.
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 4/9/2007 2:22:19 PM |
There is a war going on in this universe. A war between good and evil, between love and hate, between the truth and lies.
you're right, the asians call it yin and yang (spelling?)
it's the ballance of the universe. but the problem with what you are saying is that everything is in ballance. we need the bad to have the good, we need the dark to have the light, we need the pain to have the joy. do you understand? we need to find a ballance of good and bad inside of our selves.
so just being absolutely good is bad realy... do you understand what i'm getting at?
if you look at anything in this world there is a natural balance. but humanity keeps screwing with it and making everything lose it's ballance. we need to take a step back and look at what we've done. | |
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Posted: 4/9/2007 7:13:12 PM | | Sometimes I question my faith. This guy asked me the other day if I believe in GOD or Gawd? Like do I know he is real. The answer is yes I know he is real. I wonder what his intentions are for me at times but I have felt him and talked to him. My life is terrible right now. I wish I was dead. I question why I am still here? But I am afraid to talk to God knowing I have been a bad girl. He's real don't lose faith. If there is no faith in God what's the point of living? | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 4/9/2007 8:15:43 PM |
Sometimes I question my faith. This guy asked me the other day if I believe in GOD or Gawd? Like do I know he is real. The answer is yes I know he is real. I wonder what his intentions are for me at times but I have felt him and talked to him. My life is terrible right now. I wish I was dead. I question why I am still here? But I am afraid to talk to God knowing I have been a bad girl. He's real don't lose faith. If there is no faith in God what's the point of living?
We have ALL been there. Even Jesus Himself had His moments of anguish and doubt.
Here's what to do,...think that your life is awesome right now. Believe it! Feel it.
DON'T dwell on things that are negative, or that you perceive as negative in your life.
The universe is designed to run on our faith. No matter what we believe, either positive things or negative, we receive those things that we dwell on , those things that we believe in.
Faith is really trust. We should strive to trust God that He wants our complete happiness, and that He loves all unconditionally.
Think about how it makes you feel when someone trusts you.
Multiply that feeling infinitely to realize how God feels toward those that trust Him. | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 8/9/2007 1:38:06 AM | Well, I was brought up a Jehovah's Witness since I was 4...Never thought much about cuz by the time you realize it, its too late, your brainwashed.Then as I got older I figured this is Shite.They take "I am no part of the world just as you should be no part of the world"WAAAAYYYY to seriously...That does immense damage to a kids mental well-being...Once I took my first steps into the world so to speak I realized how much I was missing, and that any deity who would prefer their subjects to lead a life such as that was a sadistic f**k.Life's too short.There is waaayy to much out there to experience and there is not "one true god", it just didn't make sense anymore.
Then in my teen angst years I was a Nihilist.Now growing up I've studied theology a fair bit(mostly due to an ex gf)and learned about the spiritual/energy aspect of religion...which christians don't touch base on.... | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 8/9/2007 10:48:44 AM | | My background is i was raised in the Episcapel Chruch. in My mid 20's I became a born again Christain. i ddi all the bible studies and Chruch on sunday. I did not question the Bible. However in time i relized that there were large parts of the bible that were not encluded or were glossed over. It was reading the Bible on my own then bringing up the hard questions that started me down the path of rejecting any and all of mans concept of a personal God. I do believe there is a God. Lets call it the Creator God. That God has nothing to do with our everyday lives. There is an underlining of order to the random mass we call the universe. That unseen order may very well be the esence of God. | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 8/9/2007 3:37:26 PM | I was about 5 or 6. I couldn't find the last lego piece for my masterpiece of highly engineered robotic destruction. I searched for what felt like hours (probably 15 minutes I was a freaking kid!). and I started to pray...
15 minutes later I found it, but then it occured to me that the piece would have been there the entire time, and that prayer is not neccessary, and that was the start of my path towards atheism. It was complete by the time I was in grade 4. | |
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Posted: 9/28/2007 3:21:50 PM | | It was about 3 years ago. One night my aunty had what she thought to be cramps...ended up in the E.R. later that nite, went into emergency surgery for a small bowel obstruction, died on the operating table was revived and ended up in a comatose state. My aunty had raised me since the age of 8 years old. When i was younger...i used to be scared of God from the way they would talk about him in church...like if he wanted to he could squish me like a bug and be done with me. Throughout my teenage years i would skim through the bible but nothing...ever to serious. I remember reading the cruxifiction of Jesus...i cried my eyes out, i did'nt understand why people would hate somebody so much they wanted him dead...because he wanted to save lifes. In that hospital 3 years ago...i had never really prayed...at least sincerly. The doctors had no idea what had caused my aunty's obsruction...she was young and healthy, scary thing is you mostly see this condition in the elderly. My aunty turned septic...which is a massive infection throughout the whole body. And all i can remeber is praying so hard and sincerly every day everynite every minute. My aunty pulls through it 3 months later...and shes a changed woman...to this day she dedicates her life to the Lord!!! | |
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Posted: 9/29/2007 9:06:50 AM | CountIbli, I don't know if you realize this, but your story is what I believe is happening to humanity. We are starting to think more than accept. We have more information available to us and are beginning to see that we don't require deities to understand our own existence. I became curious a while back and did some research on religious statistics and noticed that over the past few decades atheism/agnosticism and other non-religious ideals having been growing while Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are constantly loosing their followers.
As for my own story. I remember that my grandmother used to come and pick me up every Sunday and take me to church. I can remember sitting on the bench listening to the preacher talking about things I couldn't find any relation to until his face turned red. He always talked about how he used to party and drink a lot until he became "saved." As the years went on and on I became less and less interested and I lost all desire to attend. I remember my latter years of attending Church consisted mostly of sleep. Being a shy kid I never really talked about my doubts. At this point in my life I would consider myself agnostic, I was being told that were was a god, and no one had ever told me there wasn't but I simply had difficulty with this as I could not communicate with, see, hear, or feel any evidence of his/her existence. Eventually I just stopped attending church all-together. Although occasionally I would attend Vacation Bible School to please my grandmother. I did kind of enjoy that. Mostly just the crafts that we made. Between elementary school and middle school I started learning about history and older religions such as that of the Ancient Egyptians and the Greeks and realized that Christianity wasn't the only religion. In my early to middle teen aged years all of this prompted me to examine the concept of god, and my own existence. Eventually I just identified myself as an Atheist. Again being a shy person by nature I never discussed this with anyone until I started meeting other's who identified with Atheism.
It's only recently that I have become open about my religion, or should I say lack-there-of ? | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 9/29/2007 9:35:15 AM | | I lost my faith in God for the same reason I lost faith in the Easter Bunny. At some point I came to an age if reason where I thought to myself, "Does the invisible man really exist?" | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 9/29/2007 9:46:41 AM | | Stormbay could you please give us some sources to look up in regards to Astor physics determining that different galaxies are traveling at different rated of speed and in different directions. I'm not a scientist yet everything i have read says that Physicist are still in line with the big bang. In fact there isa super collider in Europe on the french Swiss boarded that will send two particles in opposite directions in the hopes of recreating the big bang. If they hit and create a brand new element then that would prove the theory | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 9/29/2007 7:09:49 PM | Sombient...beautiful
The ideas in quantum physics are pointing towards the unity that is hinted at in some religions and blatant in others..we are all one, on a quantum level...and that quantum level is god. I also think that this oneness has a sort of consciousness and intelligence, maybe an ultimate consciousness. But it's nothing like human consciousness or intelligence. If you go to the Hubble Telescope site or the Chandra..and really look at what's out there and how amazing it is and how immense...then one get's an idea of what the mind of "god" might be like. It's obviously creative...and incredibly violent in it's creativity. I get chills when I see a nebula, or a supernova.. it really puts my existance in perspective. It's the most awe-inspiring and beautiful thing ever, this universe we are blessed to experience.
My story is that I have always believed in "god". Don't know why...I wasn't raised religiously. I just always had faith that this existence was bigger than just my little corner of the world. I have doubts from time to time but I think that's normal. What has changed for me is my conception of god and my faith in that concept and how I fit into that. I think I am a bit of a mystic...but with a scientific bent. I also believe that the truth is there...and there are many answers...we just need to ask the right questions. We have reason, and discernment and that is not a mistake, or a fluke. Consciousness itself tells me the universe is a vastly more wondrous place than I could ever imagine, or maybe it's because we can imagine it that it is such a wonder.
I've always been amazed at the wisdom from indigenous peoples and ancients...and I think I am one of those who believes that we are not smarter, or even more knowledgeable than they are or were, we are just learning in a different way the truths of "god", or the universe.
It's funny but the darkest time for the people of earth...the time when there was the most ignorance and the most knowledge lost was when one religion ruled the known western world... think about it. | |
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Posted: 9/30/2007 2:02:01 AM | Ah, the invisible lines that connect us all. Honestly, religions- like the people who follow them- have more in common than they do differences. The problem is when people get too caught up in those differences, and try to derive from them some concept of uniqueness.
As for me.
My trials and tribulations are my own business, and each has shaped my outlook and thus my Faith. Though I realize the point of this thread isn't to single out anyone or to criticze their spiritual responses to life events, I do not feel that I can fully explain how I have come to where I am in a way that would really clarify the journey.
Or, to put it bluntly, my failures and successes are mine, and mine alone. Only *I* can truly learn from them, and bringing them back up will not benefit anyone but myself... and I do not see the benefit. Suffice to say, I am not who I was, and I'd like to think that is a change for the better. | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 9/30/2007 10:56:02 PM | | I feel empathy for those who have responded here of once having faith in God then losing it. I came close to this myself. I thought most Christians to be morons and the sermons to be irrelevant. I was tired of being on guilt trips. The more I tried to increase my faith, the weaker it became. I once posted a thread here asking if anyone knew of a medically confirmed healing. Ironically, the only person who did know of such a case has now lost his faith in God. The more I tried to gather evidence to believe, the less I found. Yet, I have not given up on what I believe. I'll tell you why. Many want proof of God before they can believe in Him. I did too. I discovered that the "catch-22" is you have to believe before you get any evidence. I have seen the evidence. There is Someone there. I am not one to go around saying God spoke to me, but He has. It has been seldom, but it is typically unmistakeable when it occurs. I am obviously inviting mockery, but I can say that events happened that have no logical explanation for happening. I can tell you from experience that God typically only speaks to the humble. Perhaps that is why I usually have such a difficult time hearing anything. | |
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Posted: 9/30/2007 11:33:52 PM | "What made me find faith?"
Going to church as a young boy, and hearing stories in Sunday school...Mainly the stories about love and compassion!
"What made me lose faith?"
Can't say that I ever really lost it, it's just that it has been revised and edited. I search for the truth no matter were it lies...but don't we all? | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 10/1/2007 3:19:37 PM | What made me lose faith-- going to church as a child only to grow up and realize religion(christion) sounds the same as what I hear about cults. Dont question God, but give 10 % of your income. Keep giving, keep praying, keep worshiping God. Maybe God was a cult leader centuries ago. The bible was written by followers of God. All these spectacular miracles that happened years ago do not happen today.Such as:
1.walking on water-- did he walk on water? Maybe the water was frozen and he walked on ice.(frozen water)
2raising people from the dead-were they really in a coma and woke up--if so, they really were not dead.
3. a man with polio who has been crippled all his life, suddenly gets up and walk. | |
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| what made you find / lose your faith in A god
Posted: 10/2/2007 11:13:56 AM |
If a theory could ever become a fact or law, then the big bang would be one. Considering the distant galaxies travelling away from us and cosmic background radiation, questioning the big bang is like questioning whether the earth is round. Its not even a matter of dispute anymore.
I tend to agree, but we have to remember that there is nothing that says it was the first big bang... I'm pretty sure it's one of an infinate amount of big bangs... In my eyes, Infinity has already been proven... As long as there are two compatable humans(reproduction wise), we have an infinate amount of humans possible and an infinate amount of "human potential"... There is no such thing as "two" of anything... Not even any two pebbles are the same.
Just as there are no two people exactly the same, there are no two universes, multiverses, big bangs, singualrities or Gods exactly the same...
I've always been amazed at the wisdom from indigenous peoples and ancients...and I think I am one of those who believes that we are not smarter, or even more knowledgeable than they are or were, we are just learning in a different way the truths of "god", or the universe.
I think it's because we have an easier access to information... A single person now can accumulate alot more knowledge than the ancients... In Toronto, I can communicate with someone from California easy as saying "hello" whereas as the ancients(if they got here yet) would have to walk... If they wanted to communicate with someone in Japan, they'd have like a two year excursion or something! And as I write this I wonder if their experience of that communication would be worth more than ours... I guess not... Most of us have own our excursions in life.
Or, to put it bluntly, my failures and successes are mine, and mine alone. Only *I* can truly learn from them, and bringing them back up will not benefit anyone but myself... and I do not see the benefit. Suffice to say, I am not who I was, and I'd like to think that is a change for the better.
I think you're right and wrong at the same time, Trippy... Although your accomplishments are for good or ill, they DO affect the rest of us... You trying to be a better man makes the world a slightly better place and sharing your thoughts here on the forums can benefit others.
For some reason I have always suspected that we are all one... The more I learn, the more it's confirmed for me... I Love thinking about Infinity! | |
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