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 cotter

Joined: 10/17/2005
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Posted: 12/7/2006 11:55:23 AM
^^^^^Apparently some folks still don't realize that there just wasn't anything to cover up. When nothing is showing ... as in this case ... what is there to cover up?

Seems like no matter how many times it's been stated as "fact" ... that nothing was showing ... we still get people in here advocating for a "cover up".


Sheesh ... talk about "selective reading"!!!!



 marita_b

Joined: 6/15/2005
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The law states IT IS LEGAL; how did we all get here; anyway
Posted: 12/7/2006 1:00:28 PM
unbelievable,...this is like some sad soap opera,....

one can be gone for days and days and still be in the same spot,....

I have nothing new to say that I haven't repeated many times,...I do have a question to cmvander regarding the following comment she has pretty much made at least once on every one of these pages,.....

"the fact is the baby's own mother did not feed her baby.Shame on the mother"

Just exactly what are you basing this adamant claim on???????
your needle seems to be stuck on it,...and I was wondering,....

How do you know the mom didn't stop when she had finished feeding her bunshkin,....

Something I remember from my own three babies is that once they begin to nurse the body responds by gushing forth and the whole thing can be done in under 5 minutes,....much faster than a bottle actually,....(I was often amazed the little darlin's diddn't drown),....
the lingering that infants do is usually lingering for comfort and connection, much like a human soother,.......but feeding,....that's done PDQ,...

and now we return you to,...our next installment of as the stomach turns,....
 cmvander

Joined: 11/8/2006
Msg: 403
The law states IT IS LEGAL; how did we all get here; anyway
Posted: 12/7/2006 1:25:54 PM
LOL commentabout the baby meant...momseemed more concerned about her rightsto feed the baby...when she could have taken the blanket fed her baby and did what she had to do later to the flight attendant... We know the mom didn't stop at the end because of what the article says.
 fw_woman

Joined: 10/29/2006
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Posted: 12/7/2006 7:03:36 PM

LOL commentabout the baby meant...momseemed more concerned about her rightsto feed the baby...when she could have taken the blanket fed her baby and did what she had to do later to the flight attendant... We know the mom didn't stop at the end because of what the article says.



The mom's rights include being able to feed her baby wherever the mom and the baby may be at, and the baby's rights are dependant on the mom's rights - in this case, to be fed wherever the baby and mom are at. I believe the mom was sticking up for not only her rights, but also for her baby's rights. Babies DO have rights.
 marita_b

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Posted: 12/8/2006 4:12:59 AM
Perhaps you read something in the article that I didn't,....
Perhaps you can point it out for me,....cmvander

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BURLINGTON, Vermont — A woman has complained that she was kicked off an airplane about to leave Burlington airport because she was breast-feeding her baby.

A complaint against two airlines was filed with the Vermont Human Rights Commission, although Executive Director Robert Appel said he was barred by state law from confirming the complaint. He did say state law allows a mother to breast-feed in public.

Elizabeth Boepple, a lawyer hired by 27-year-old mother Emily Gillette, confirmed that Gillette filed the complaint late last week against Delta Air Lines and Freedom Airlines. Freedom was operating the Delta commuter flight between Burlington and New York City.

A Freedom spokesman said Gillette was asked to leave the flight after she declined a flight attendant's offer of a blanket.

"A breast-feeding mother is perfectly acceptable on an aircraft, providing she is feeding the child in a discreet way," that does not bother others, said Paul Skellon, spokesman for Phoenix-based Freedom. "She was asked to use a blanket just to provide a little more discretion, she was given a blanket, and she refused to use it, and that's all I know."

Gillette, her husband Brad and their daughter River, who live in New Mexico, had been visiting relatives in Vermont. Their flight was three hours late but appeared to be preparing for takeoff Oct. 13 when Gillette decided to breast-feed her 22-month-old, she said.

Gillette said she was being discreet. She was seated by the window in the second-to-last row, her husband was seated between her and the aisle and no part of her breast was showing, she said.

A flight attendant approached, tried to hand her a blanket and told her to cover up, Gillette said. She said she had a legal right to breast-feed her baby.

Moments later, a Delta ticket agent approached and said the flight attendant had asked that the family be removed from the flight, Gillette said. She said she did not want to make a scene and complied.

"It embarrassed me. That was my first reaction, which is a weird reaction for doing something so good for a child. And then helpless," Gillette said.

The Vermont Human Rights Commission investigates complaints and determines whether discrimination may have occurred. The parties to a complaint are given six months to reach a settlement. If none is reached, the commission then decides whether to go to court. A complainant can file a separate suit in state court at any time
 cmvander

Joined: 11/8/2006
Msg: 406
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Posted: 12/8/2006 4:44:50 AM
As the plane was getting ready to move, Gillette tucked in next to the window and began to discreetly nurse River.

That’s when Gillette noticed the lone flight attendant holding out a blanket, telling Gillette that she needed to cover up


She BEGAN nursing...i agree that the airlines were wrong...but with all the talk about rights and comfort of the baby...the baby's needs etc... i feel that i would have made sure my kid ate no matter what and dealt with my issue after...the mom was not wrong but i feel she could have handled it differently...


She said she felt helpless...which i do not agree with either

Was that the main purpose or was the child hungry?If that was the purpose then the kid was def upset...
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 407
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Posted: 12/8/2006 4:48:46 AM
The main purpose of the mother nursing the child at that point in time, was to calm the child before/during take-off, once the idiot had them removed from the plane, where's the urgency?

Covering the child (no exposed breast to cover) under a blanket in a cramped hot airplane like a Dash 8 would have helped, ...how? If she was anything like my daughter, she probably would have been distracted and started getting fussy, ...the mother opted out of the ridiculous blanket suggestion, it was the attendant who escalated the issue into, stupidville ...population 1.
 care_bear

Joined: 10/15/2006
Msg: 408
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Posted: 12/8/2006 4:58:35 AM
I just laugh when I hear people talking about the blanket as if its a burlap potato sack that the mother was offered. It was a blanket... the same kind of blanket that you would have curled up in had you been cold or tired on the flight. You see mothers everywhere who breast feed in public with a blanket thrown over there shoulder.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 409
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Posted: 12/8/2006 5:10:19 AM
You see mothers everywhere who breast feed in public with a blanket thrown over there shoulder.


Some do, some don't. A lot of clothing for nursing mothers allows them to be even more discreet than if a blanket is used.

Or, as the mother said.

“I was holding my shirt closed with one hand. There was literally not a bit of my breast exposed,” she says. “I was being as discreet as possible.”

In this case, there was no breast exposed, the mother didn't want it, she was within her rights to turn it down.

The airline says that their investigation backs the family's version of events.

Had the attendant not made a fuss, ...nobody would have been the wiser.

If this is about being indiscreet?

Again, it wasn't the mother, father, and child who were at fault. It was: "...the fact that the flight attendant in question was young and new to her job." according to Freedom Air, who "acted contrary to the Company's expectations."

I just laugh when I hear people talking about the blanket as if its a burlap potato sack that the mother was offered.


The question of the blanket is moot, it wasn't wanted, wasn't needed, nor was it required.

I find it hilarious that in light of what went down, and what's been revealed as the facts of the investigation, as stated by the airline, ...some still feel the need to feed a sense of entitlement to be offended by the mother and child... by insisting that they share even a modicum of blame.
 marita_b

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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:05:16 AM
As the plane was getting ready to move, Gillette tucked in next to the window and began to discreetly nurse River.

That’s when Gillette noticed the lone flight attendant holding out a blanket, telling Gillette that she needed to cover up
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you read that from the article I (and the OP, in her original post) quoted?

BTW anything we do,...every single day,..can be handled differently,....
doesn't make what we do wrong,..or the otherway it COULD have been done right,....simply differently,...so,...your point?

I find it hilarious that in light of what went down, and what's been revealed as the facts of the investigation, as stated by the airline, ...some still feel the need to feed a sense of entitlement to be offended by the mother and child... by insisting that they share even a modicum of blame.

re message following,..(I can't answer until the 15 min is up,...hence answer here to;)

She could have taken the damn blanket, covered up until the mean/nasty/boobiephobic/plane nazi went to strap in for takeoff. Plain and simple ~

so what you are saying is what that we are to always do as we are told until the teller is no longer in front of us,.... are you kidding me or what???????

are we children or adults that can make decisions for ourselves?
(and don't even think of trying to come back with when we are on an airplaine,...post 911 crap) I mean not everything goes back or canbe excused/explained by 911,....

refusing a blanket is NOT a TERRORIST action,....sheesh!!!!
PS,...DITTO!
 verygreeneyez

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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:30:13 AM
The nursing mother was not being inconsiderate in any way.


She most certainly was inconsiderate. There were more people on that plane than the child, Mother, Father and Flight Attendant. The plane was full of people who didn't contribute to the insanity, nor did any one of them deserve to be stuck on that runway for an additional lengthy delay. She could have taken the damn blanket, covered up until the mean/nasty/boobiephobic/plane nazi went to strap in for takeoff. Plain and simple ~ no one used their head. They were all far too consumed with her boobie. RIDICULOUS.

Edit: As for there being nothing to cover up ~ I disagree. I've seen plenty of women nursing toddlers. They don't nurse in the same fashion that babies do. They take little breaks, look around, play with their fingers, smile at Mommy, and there are times when the boobie is forgotten about. Whether that is for a few seconds or longer, makes no difference. There is much more opportunity to see boob with a toddler than an infant. The two are vastly different in how they nurse. My take is that Mother knew that child would throw a hissy-fit if covered. JMO
 cotter

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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:50:26 AM
To be honest ... I believe, just as a fellow passenger under those circumstances ... having already endured a 3-hour delay ... I would have been capable of standing up and telling the attendant to get a grip and leave them alone ... and for crying out loud go take her seat so we could get the doggone show on the road.

That's another issue I have seen all along in this scenario. There is no mention that anyone else said anything ... one way or the other. There is no mention if other passengers objected ... there is no mention if other passengers backed the mom either.

In most situations, I generally try not to assert myself in others' business, but in this case, the more I think about it ... I know ... repeat I know I would have said something.

It probably would have been something like this ... "Could we please just let that woman nurse her child in peace? How about if we all promise no one will look and no one will be offended so we can just get this bird off the ground?"

There seems to be a lot of that going around too ... when people see others' rights being tromped on ... they don't say anything either. No one seems to want to stick up for anyone anymore. They don't want to get involved. It's just sooooo much easier to look the other way.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
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Posted: 12/8/2006 7:58:00 AM
the child, Mother, Father and Flight Attendant.


Only one of the above to blame, she was not only violating the rights of the family, she was going against company policy, and further, ....forgetting her role as a "customer service" rep, which does not involve taking a hissy fit over her own bigotry. The attendant ALONE was offended, even though no breast was exposed, she even said, "You're offending me."

This easn't about making the other passengers comfortable, it was about an attendant overstepping her bounds both as an employee, and in regards to a human rights violation.


The mother turned down an unreasonable request. (it's up to her to draw that line, her child, her call), and did NOTHING wrong in declining the blanket: "No, thank you. I will not put a blanket on top of my child's head."

It was investigated by the airline and the facts are a matter of record, and they also confirm the version of the story, re: “I was holding my shirt closed with one hand. There was literally not a bit of my breast exposed,” she says. “I was being as discreet as possible.”

To suggest that it's in any way her fault because she didn't choose to be deceitful is just sophistry.

No passengers were offended, or even in line of sight (ever flown on a Dash 8? )
 care_bear

Joined: 10/15/2006
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Posted: 12/8/2006 8:12:54 AM
In no way am I blaming the mother, I don't have an issue with mothers breastfeeding anywhere with or without a blanket. But as a parent, I've learned to "pick my battles" when it comes to my son. I stop to think if what he did or say is anything to throw a fit over and move on. The flight attendant offered her the blanket... the mom choose to fight this battle and get herself thrown off the plane, instead just taking the blanket and leaving it at that (taking a stand or not, it would not have caused her great distress to use the blanket just this one time for 10 minutes).

If she was sitting in a park or a mall and someone offered her a blanket, she could tell that person to take a hike, but this was a plane full of people which was delayed because of the situation. It wasn't just an inconvenience to the mom and child, but ended up being an inconvenience to others as well. The mother took a stand and I applaude her for that. In no way am I on the flight attendants side in this matter, but theres a time and a place for everything. And we must "choose our battles". If the flight attendant said that she couldn't breast feed at all, then for sure I'd be the first one in line to protest, but this wasn't the case at all.
 late™

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Posted: 12/8/2006 8:23:29 AM
but this was a plane full of people which was delayed because of the situation.


What? the flight had been delayed for three hours, everybody was good to go EXCEPT the attendant who went out of her way to show offense when THERE WAS NO BREAST VISABLE. She wanted the child covered, the mother declined, not to "take a stand", but in the best interest of her child.

Many pediatricians recommend that nursing mothers breast-feed their children on the ascent and descent of flights, to help open children's ear canals as cabin pressure changes with altitude.

I know that my daughter would never stand to be covered by a blanket when nursing, my ex did with my daughter on a plane at 16mo (she nursed 'til 18mo), with no breast visable, ...and no complaints from passengers, ...who didn't notice.

Delayed?


Their flight was delayed three hours and anyone who has ever traveled with small children can guess what kind of condition little River was in when the family finally boarded their Freedom Airlines flight (booked through Delta Air Lines) at 10 p.m., well past the toddler’s normal bedtime. The family headed to their seats at the back of the little plane. Mother and daughter took the window seat in the second to last row; River’s dad took the aisle seat. As the plane was getting ready to move, Gillette tucked in next to the window and began to discreetly nurse River.

That’s when Gillette noticed the lone flight attendant holding out a blanket, telling Gillette that she needed to cover up. “I was holding my shirt closed with one hand. There was literally not a bit of my breast exposed,” she says. “I was being as discreet as possible.” When Gillette refused, Gillette says the flight attendant responded; “You are offending me. You need to cover up.” Gillette refused again. Gillette says the flight attendant huffed off, and returned with a ticket agent, who told the family that they were being thrown off the plane. The stunned Gillettes gathered their things and started moving toward the door. “Gillette started quietly crying,” says Elizabeth Beopple, Gillette’s Vermont-based lawyer. “She was so humiliated. As they left the plane, the fight attendant was standing there, and Gillette said in tears, ‘Why are you doing this?’ ” According to the Gillettes, the flight attendant pointed to the door and said, “Get off the plane.” One of the copilots followed them out and apologetically explained that he could not overrule the flight attendant’s decision. “He said, ‘I’m so sorry. I have two children, and there’s nothing I can do about this…The same way that I have control over the****it, she has control over the passenger area.’” As the flight left for New York, Delta arranged a hotel for them for that night and booked them on a US Air flight for the next morning. (And yes, Gillette nursed her daughter on that flight with no objection from anyone.)

The airline has disciplined the flight attendant; a spokesman, contacted by NEWSWEEK, did not dispute the Gillette family’s version of the events.


(sigh ....this ISN'T about a breast, it's about an idiotic attendant offended by a child, and wanting the child covered up.... defeating the purpose of the mother nursing her.)
 marita_b

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Posted: 12/8/2006 8:35:33 AM
If she was sitting in a park or a mall and someone offered her a blanket, she could tell that person to take a hike, but this was a plane full of people which was delayed because of the situation.
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OK? so now we can only have rights when what???????
when the person ordering us about isn't some twit who has the power to play God,..if she doesn't get compliance? we get to have freedon of choice only out in the open?

BTW who actually said the mom took a stand here?

as far as the article,...the only one doing that was,...you gessed it,...the twitt with the POWER,....

Do any of you know that this same twitt once making HER STAND,...would be blown off by compliance by the mom at any point after her initial refusal???????,....

I know if an air hostess came to me to order me to take a blanket and I ever so sweetly told her,... no,... thank you,...
that her very next move would be,....to halt the plane and the foolishness that followed?

Until I read this article this would never have entered my mind,...and I doubt if it would have been something that the mom could have predicted,....

Once the refusal was made,...and the call to halt the plane went out,...etc,....etc,...etc,....
I somehow doubt if a "never mind,..I'll take the stupid blanket would have halted what was set in motion,....

Is there no one left on the planet besides late that has the sense God gave little green apples,.... to see what appears to be so blatantly obvious to us?

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BTW,....with every bit of freedomyou relinquish without giving it a second thought,....the more POWER is given to the likes of someone like this Air Hostess,....and other's,...next it'll be the pimply faced kid at Mickey D's

picking your battles is fine,....but only if you can predict what will end up being a battle,...wouldn't you say???????
 verygreeneyez

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Posted: 12/8/2006 8:45:56 AM
this ISN'T about a breast


I couldn't agree more.

Also, as I mentioned 5,000 posts ago ~ in the scope of the Attendant's job, she has the control of the passengers, when that is interferred with, she has the right to "executive" power (so to speak.) Here is an article which details that. It is her right to deem what constitutes a flight risk. (You can also go to Freedom Air and read their flight risk policies and what is deemed unacceptable behavior while in the confines of their planes.)

Keep in mind, I don't make the rules, I simply follow them when I'm a passenger.


Breast-Feeding, Trying To Join the Mile-High Club? Good Luck Flying
FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=ABCNews" By MARCUS BARAM
Nov. 21 - Tis the season to be flying, but you'd better be on your best behavior. You'll be surprised to learn what got some travelers grounded.

Making out with your girlfriend, praying, breast-feeding your baby, making jokes.
What do they have in common? That kind of behavior could get you removed from an airplane, or even arrested, this holiday season.

In the wake of 9/11 and the new security regulations instituted since the foiled London terror plot this summer, many airlines have become increasingly vigilant -- perhaps even uptight -- about minor infractions. And many passengers realize they need to be on their best behavior when they take a flight.

The latest example of high-altitude hijinks was the arrest of a couple for violating the Patriot Act by snuggling and kissing inappropriately. On a recent Southwest Airlines flight from Los Angeles, Carl Persing and Dawn Sewell, an unmarried couple, were "making other passengers uncomfortable" with his face pressed against her vaginal area, according to an FBI indictment. When a flight attendant gave them a second warning, Persing snapped back in anger and the couple, both in their early 40s, were arrested when the plane reached its destination in Raleigh, N.C.

Charged with obstructing a flight attendant and with criminal association, Persing and Sewell have been placed under legal surveillance until their trial in February, at which time they could be sent to jail for up to 20 years. The couple's lawyer claims that Persing had his head in Sewell's lap because he wasn't feeling well and that the flight attendant had humiliated and harassed them.

"As a potential act of terrorism, it's being a little oversensitive," says Charles Slepian, an aviation security expert at the Foreseeable Risk Analysis Center. "After all, the mile-high club has been around for at least 50 years. But flight crews are sensitive that some passengers get upset when others get cozy, and that could erupt into an altercation."

Although it usually covers serious criminal activity, the Patriot Act can apply to minor infractions on flights. "You can't make any threatening gesture to an attendant, because it does violate the Patriot Act," explains Slepian. "They don't want you getting out of your seat except to go the lavatory. The whole idea is to keep control. If you react to the attendant, you're going to get locked up."

Flight attendants, with their increased power, definitely seem to be getting more sensitive to all types of behavior. Emily Gillette claims that she was kicked off a plane last month for nursing her baby on a flight between Burlington, Vt., and New York City. A spokesman for Freedom Airlines, which was operating the Delta commuter flight, says that Gillette was ejected because she declined an attendant's offer of a blanket.

One passenger on a Delta flight from Los Angeles to Salt Lake City was arrested for leaving his seat to go to the lavatory less than 30 minutes before landing (due to the incident, air marshals ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight). And an Orthodox Jewish man was kicked off an Air Canada flight for praying, which attendants claim was making other passengers nervous.

Other passengers have been taken off flights for making jokes, such as asking attendants if they had "checked the crew for sobriety" and "where do you keep the bomb?" Some have been booted for taking onboard hand cream, matches and bottles of water, and for sniffing something in a bag.

And there doesn't seem to be an age limit for the violators. Last year, a United Airlines flight out of Chicago was delayed because a small boy said something inappropriate.
"It seems like there's a real increase in these types of incidents. They're more sensitive to minor infractions," says Anne Banas, the executive editor of SmarterTravel.com. "There's a no-tolerance policy. It really seems like you have to be on your best behavior on the plane." So, what else constitutes bad behavior? According to Banas, try to avoid the following when flying: making jokes about blowing up planes; getting drunk; bumping other passengers with big bags; taking up all the space in the overhead compartments. Banas advises that you should show respect other passengers by not cursing and shouting.

The irony is that many travelers are already following those rules. While flight crews may seem less tolerant of questionable behavior, passengers are actually getting nicer to the attendants, by at least one important measure. The number of unruly passengers who have been penalized by the Federal Aviation Administration for trying to "assault, threaten, intimidate or interfere with a crewmember" has dropped dramatically in the last two years and is on track to hit a record low. In 2004, the FAA recorded 304 enforcement actions. Through September of this year, there were only 79 such actions.

Of course, in these very sensitive times, almost everyone who flies experiences some tension, and sometimes it does boil over. In September, Seth Stein, a London interior designer returning from his vacation in Turks and Caicos, was put in a chokehold and physically pinned to his seat by another passenger on an American Airlines flight. Stein's crime: He used an iPod, went to the lavatory and his tan made him appear "Arab."
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 418
Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 12/8/2006 9:04:13 AM
in the scope of the Attendant's job, she has the control of the passengers, when that is interferred with, she has the right to "executive" power (so to speak.) Here is an article which details that. It is her right to deem what constitutes a flight risk.


You'd think the idiot would have figured out her error when the copilot came out to apologize for the mistake.

There was no INFRACTION ....not even a minor one, the family was not only within their rights according to the laws of Vermont, they were simpatico with the policies and rules of Freedom Airlines -

"As soon as the facts were brought to our attention, we immediately launched a thorough investigation. We concluded that the flight attendant in question acted contrary to the Company's expectations. We believe our disciplinary action was appropriate and was taken after considering all of the facts leading to this incident.I do believe it is worth noting that the events described in the article failed to include the fact that the flight attendant in question was young and new to her job."

The airline has disciplined the flight attendant; a spokesman, contacted by NEWSWEEK, did not dispute the Gillette family’s version of the events.


So you mean to tell me if a flight attendant orders you to strip naked and dance in the aisle for him, ...you will because "he's the attendant"?

Sorry, I'll not submit to a disturbed individual, or one who oversteps their LEGAL boundries OR the boundries placed on them by their employer's policies.

You can if you like, ...this passenger ain't dancin'.

It's good to know that the United States of America is protected by its PATRIOT ACT from the terrorist attack of the exposed head of a dangerous nursing child....



I wonder if anybody actually NEEDS to look that one up, ...the mother didn't.


(You can also go to Freedom Air and read their flight risk policies and what is deemed unacceptable behavior while in the confines of their planes.)


Freedom Air policies eh?


Freedom Airlines issued a written statement asserting that they “firmly support a mother’s right to breastfeed a child” and they “do not expect (and will not in the future request) that nursingmothers use a blanket to cover their child while nursing.”


Oh!

I wonder if they have one about refusing to strip n' dance in the aisles

And, .....the mother and child were not charged with " obstructing a flight attendant and with criminal association", in fact, Freedom Airlines has until the 14th to answer charges of human rights violations brought by the state of Vermont.

 0008

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Posted: 12/8/2006 9:11:58 AM
i think people should have respect for other people.Is it right for a person to pick is nose in public even if that is not agaist the law? Or going to the bathroom in an airplane leaving the door open because that is a natural human act?I think lets do our best, to not offend others.
 late™

Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 420
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Posted: 12/8/2006 9:19:38 AM
What if a flight attendant is offended by the way you breathe, should you be forced to put a blanket over your head?

Breathing's a natural human act,

..........and I'm sure there are those who are offended by it too, after all there's idiots offended by the sight of a childs head.

(No breast, or part of a breast was visable)

So what if the attendant is offended by your looks?

The blanket?
 e-wok

Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 421
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Posted: 12/8/2006 10:08:13 AM
I think flight attendants in general have gotten a little carried away
and have forgotten they are essentially glorified waiters.
So what if it's done 37k feet up...ya still gotta pour me a drink when
I ask. I think when in contrast with the captain they are starting to
feel a little too inadequate. Nothing would make a waitresses day
than for you to give her an excuse to exercise her "power" but
little do they know that with each flight diversion and delay it
costs the airlines thousands of dollars in landing costs, fuel &
salary. Sooner or later the airline is gonna read the riot act to
them and tell em to shut the hell up and pour.
 JumpingRaindrops

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Posted: 12/8/2006 10:40:17 AM
ummmm... actually, ewok, the majority of a flight attendandt's training consists of how to get passengers through an array of potential emergency situations. As one attendant I used to know said, "I'm here to save your a$$, not kiss it." That said, if not for the actions of this ONE particular attendant, no one else on that plane would have known or cared about that nursing family, and SHE was the one who decided to make it into a huge incident and cost the airline the time and money it took to eject them.
 e-wok

Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 423
Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 12/8/2006 10:41:31 AM
^^^ Not to argue with you, but she's here to save my ass if that ever
becomes neccessary, between then and now....pour pour pour.



I'm here to save your a$$, not kiss it."


See, that's what I'm talking about - bad attitude.....attendants want to believe they are
rescuing people everyday - they are NOT. I've never been rescued
in all my life. As far as I'm concerned, she's here to get me my sandwich and
beer and fluff my pillow....and if she's lucky I'll pinch her butt.

Notice the difference with the deameanor of European attendants vs North American?
Wow, I get first class service even when I'm in coach. Here, they have
bad attitudes from my own experience.
 chinua

Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 424
Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 12/8/2006 10:54:52 AM
I had a problem with a flight attendant way back in 1988.........I refused lunch; I'd already eaten on the flight before, she literally flung the tray at me.......told me to eat it anyway, it fell on the floor. The same flight attendant told a girl she couldn't have a glass of water to take her medication(which had to be taken at a certain time) because she already had a drink with her meal. My grandma, who was sitting next to the girl; told the attendant that she was rude and just get the girl a glass of water!!
I do agree that attendants have some rights when it comes to safety( like when a passenger threw things at one when she cut him off booze), but it hasn't just been since 911 that some of them go too far.
 smith2267

Joined: 8/26/2005
Msg: 425
Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 12/8/2006 11:10:49 AM
Everybody should just let the moms do their job and leave them alone. If you don't like to see it, don't look.
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