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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/22/2006 4:35:00 PM | this has nothing to do with breastfeeding and EVERYTHING to do with modesty. i don't think most people give a rats ass if a mother breast feeds her baby in public. what they don't want to see is some woman whip out her tit.
i bet if someone would have sat there and stared at her while she was breastfeeding, she would have been all upset.
when i was a kid we would take long family road trips, on occasion one of us kids would have to pee. my dad would pull over and say, "go behind that tree" or bush or whatever. peeing is obviously natural, and when you gotta go, you gotta go but that doesn't mean it would be acceptable to stand on the side of the road with my willy hanging out while cars passed by. to this day, if I'm with my friends/ brother hunting, and one of us has to pee we walk away from the car and go behind a tree or bush, and if there are no trees or bushes to hide behind we turn our backs to the others. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/22/2006 8:59:52 PM | If the toddler was two, potentially antsy and looking around, coming back to the breast, sitting up, needing to nurse because of unfamiliarity, people all around, pressure in the ears etc.
How is a mum supposed to keep a blanket over the head of that little curiosity bug? Some babies are very adamant about how they want to nurse. Everyone has their quirks.
Other people, should just keep their eyes to themselves, as has already been said.
people in this society just aren't used to it. it makes them uncomfortable. Oh well, the world is getting smaller and things are changing. I've seen nursing babies and toddlers in different countries and we certainly are the most fearful about it. But out there in the big world it's not even thought about. breasts are baby/toddler territory.
Is it not stunning that it became a legal issue not so long ago? Mothers had to fight for the right to feed their children in public.....
Now THAT is sick..... | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 4:48:18 AM | http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/litta.html
http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/html_En/05/hm5_1_25a.html
both links will connect you with a picture abhorrant to some of you,....
and to other's,....the vast majority of other's actually,...a masterpiece
DaVinci's,....Madonna and child,....
They have this actually hanging right out there in public at the Hermitage Museum,....
Oh the horror of it all,.....
Just out of curriosity,...what do all of you do when you travel to far off places where this is common practice,....do you stare?,...say something,....or turn your heads away,....
If none of the above,..then why on earth is it be different to you on your home turf??? | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 6:56:30 AM | I see it this way... her being asked to cover up implies that she was doing something distasteful. When we cover something up it is because we are trying to hide something...
I understand her reaction to this. Is she looking for publicity or money? Maybe, or is she is sick of people trying to make her feel like she is doing soemthing wrong and wants to draw attention to the fact that what she was doing is not wrong or perverted.
Oh and to the poster who mentioned modesty. OMFG! Coming from a guy who has a picture of him self topless and flexing.......Please? | |
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LubDub
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Joined: 10/30/2006
Msg: 31 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 8:48:44 AM | Right on, Marita!!! YOU GO, GIRL!!!
No one has a problem seeing T&A everywhere, but an exposed breast to feed a child makes them "uncomfortable"?!?!?! That IS sick. Comparing breastfeeding in public to peeing in public is an insult to intelligence. Who and what are boobs for?!?!? Apparently for the sexual arousal of the public, not the SOLE PURPOSE they were intended for. What is WRONG with us that we can't see the difference??? We are the ONLY country who has a problem with breastfeeding. Travelers beware: There are boobs right out in front of God and everybody feeding children everywhere else in the world!!!
I hope the woman this thread is about sues a path all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.
AND WINS!!!
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 9:19:34 AM | If you don't like a thread in this forum, don't read it.
If you don't like a show on TV, don't watch it.
If you don't like seeing a mother breast feed her kid, don't watch.
Sure some people might get a glimpse of something they don't want to see. Life is full of unpleasant things, get over it! Something tells me that these are the type of people that would stand around and gawk at a car wreck. Sometimes people would rather see something ugly than something beautiful... I just don't get it.
Now if mom doesn't cover up and starts glaring or getting defensive perhaps she should avoid doing it in public. If she's sitting in a corner, minding her own business, leave her be. Don't stare, don't point, and if you happen to see something you don't want to see, keep your mouth shut, avert your eyes and get on with the rest of your day. She's not doing it to piss you off personally so get over it.
oh, and about the modesty thing... Nothing wrong with a little motherly discretion. I've seen lots of women in public do it. Not covered up or anything. All they were doing was sitting on a bench out of the way and minding their own business. That's about as discreet as need be. Some women are a little more shy and would prefer to cover up with a blanket, nothing wrong with that either. Mind your business, get it done, no harm done... | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 9:25:53 AM | OR MAYBE she was just being disrespectful to the stewardess.
AGAIN, it's NOT NOT NOT about breastfeeding which is a GREAT and wonderful thing. It was about being asked to cover up a little.
The kid was 2 years old for goodness sakes. Must the mother act like a two year old as well? | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 10:44:40 AM | I would have said no too.
My older son would have just thrown the blanket across the aisle. My younger might not have minded.
It IS about breastfeeding if there has to be certain parameters around how it is done.
It IS about breastfeeding because if there had been a scantily clad woman, with a top so low you could see the top of her nipples, nothing would be said.
It IS about breast feeding because people are mixed up about just whose territory that breast is, the baby's.
It IS about breastfeeding because that's what she was doing, and people felt they had a right to say something about how it was being done.
Breastfeeding is not just sucking breastmilk. It is the entire production. It involves uncovering to different degrees, it involves babies and toddlers of different ages, it is comfort when frightened, or tired, or hungry. It is a bonding and a relationship that most of us were deprived of...
maybe that's why it's so hard for some people to just let go and let live.
We may all be a little jealous... | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 10:52:36 AM | | I don't see anything immoral or indecency about breast feeding in public places, this is very natural and babies are better fed with natural milk than chemical and hormone infested milk. Women should be allowed to breast feed period. Its not like having sex in public. Grow up people. I have seen this many times in other countries too. or they can cover a little up if thats better for the neocons.lol | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 11:58:09 AM | Pretty stupid for someone to cause a stink over this...but the Woman could have covered up..my wife always did...she didn't need to cop such a tude about putting a blanket over.
I was just glad my wife nursed b/c I didn't have to get up several times in the middle of the night for feedings!!!!
How many words do I need before I can post? | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 3:55:44 PM | as i said before, its got nothing to do with breastfeeding and everything to do with covering yourself up while doing it. my ex breastfed our two kids, when we were in in public she either brought the breastmilk or she covered up.
another poster keeps mentioning that this kid was two years old....if thats the case then she could have just givin the solid food. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 4:21:46 PM | | I don't think people should put their babies on planes in the first place - it's too painful to their ears | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 4:29:19 PM | | I get uncomfortable with people get uncomfortable with breastfeeding can i get them of a plane. There is alway someone that is geting uncomfortable with something. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 4:51:34 PM | There is no way that woman should've been told to leave the flight by refusing to cover herself or her child with that blanket. To tell her to do so is ridiculous--both covering and leaving. Would anyone here eat with blanket over their head? Would anyone here stand for being told where they could have their meal or whatnot? But we're supposed to tell a woman breastfeeding her child---providing sustenence to her child--that what she's doing has to be hidden? Not in this life. What a crock. She was sitting by the window with her husband by the aisle. Anyone who might've seen anything would've had to actually be looking and being obvious to do so. And so what if they did see? A flash of boob while a baby nurses...big deal. I've breastfed 2 babies, everywhere and anywhere. Never had 1 thing said to me about it, even when one of my boys got to the stage that he'd unlatch and gawk at things around us. The way I see it, whoever has a problem with it, it's just that: theirs. If they don't like it, don't look. No one is forcing them to do so. If someone wants to sexualize a baby nursing, again: their problem, not mine. The needs of that baby comes first. Everyone else being comfortable NEVER factors....least it didn't for me.
ETA: Breastfeeding is also done as a method of comfort. If that's what comforts a child, why shouldn't a mother resort to it if the child isn't weaned yet? Who is anyone else to determine what should and shouldn't be used to offer a baby (yes I see a 2 yr old as a baby still) comfort? | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 4:52:13 PM | I have absolutly no problem with breastfeeding, but please cover up when you do it. I don't care how freik'n natural it is, I don't need to see a womens boob hanging out while i'm stuck on a plane, in the same seat for hours at a time.
It takes nothing at all to cover yourself up... and it has nothing to do with how comfortable you are with your own body. Its respecting others wishes around you. If your in the mall or a park, people can choose to walk away and not be around, but on an airplane, your stuck there till your flight lands.
oh, and whats the difference between putting a blanket over a babys head to protect them from the wind and cold and a blanket over there heads when they breastfeed?
Its really not that huge of a deal... had the mom said ok, fine and did it just this once, she would have been on her flight and once she got off she could breastfeed however she wants... but no, there had to be a big stink raised over it.
Pick your battles people... had the flight attendant said you couldn't breastfeed on the flight, then yes, I'd have thrown a fit, but it was a matter of throwing a blanket over your shoulder for 10/15 minutes. C'mon..... | |
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ecleo
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Joined: 11/16/2006
Msg: 42 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 4:56:07 PM | As a mother who breastfed for almost two years, and flew with my son regularly since he was two months old, let me say a few things...
FIRST OF ALL, we live in a society OBSESSED with breasts, yet when we use them for their purpose (yes people, we are called mammals because we use our mammary glands to feed our young, just like all other mammals, that is the sole purpose of breasts) people get so upset. When a mouth is attached to a breast, guess what, you can't see that breast. Besides, doesn't every female over the age of ten show off her breasts???
Secondly, when a child reaches a certain age, he or she probably does not want his/her head covered with a blanket. Do you enjoy eating with a blanket over your face? My son after about six months always pulled the blanket off, even when I was trying to cover.
A woman should not have to pump if she doesn't want to, if you've never pumped you have no idea what its like. And when women DO bring their pumped milk with them on planes, they're forced to drink it! Remember that one? And with recent regulations, we are limited to how much liquid can even be brought onto a flight.
Thirdly, people complain, understandably, about fussing babies on planes. Well I'm hear to tell you, you want to shut up a fussing kid, stick a boob in their mouth. Immediately they are content. Breastfeeding on a plane also helps a child with their ears popping, did you know that?
I think the true issue at hand is that uneducated, igonorant people associate breastfeeding with something sexual, and that's why it makes them so damn uncomfortable with seeing a kid with a boob in their mouth.
And by the way, the World Health Organization promotes breastfeeding up until the age of two years old, and so do I. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 5:00:56 PM | Geesh, those that say I don't need to see such a thing as a boob, are prude crude and unattractive! MY my my what poor outlooks on such a thing...then there are those men who pose without a shirt on..those are man tits I can see them, and yer attitude is limp!
If you don't want to see a breast feeding...heres and idea...DON"T F'N WELL LOOK! | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 5:04:40 PM | While breastfeeding may be a natural act this was not an issue of her being prevented from breastfeeding. All she was asked to do was to cover up which is a reasonable request and there is no way that her refusal can be seen as reasonable on her part.
And for those who claim that breastfeeding is natural...so is taking a crap or a leak. Based upon your arguments in favour of being able to breastfeed anywhere, should we also allow people to relieve themselves anywhere they please? | |
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Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 45 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 5:07:52 PM | While breastfeeding may be a natural act this was not an issue of her being prevented from breastfeeding. All she was asked to do was to cover up which is a reasonable request and there is no way that her refusal can be seen as reasonable on her part.
Hmmmm...
Gillette said she was being discreet. She was seated by the window in the second-to-last row, her husband was seated between her and the aisle and no part of her breast was showing, she said.
And for those who claim that breastfeeding is natural...so is taking a crap or a leak.
And, don't forget, ....breathing. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 6:17:46 PM | And for those who claim that breastfeeding is natural...so is taking a crap or a leak. Based upon your arguments in favour of being able to breastfeed anywhere, should we also allow people to relieve themselves anywhere they please?
Please! there is a difference between relieving yourself in public and breastfeeding. Do you really need someone to tell you that! I hope not....
The last time I was on a plane there was a woman sitting in the seat next to me injecting herself with insulin. Should I have asked the stewardess to request that she cover herself because she was using a needle and I dont like needles, they make me feel a little nauseous! but I was able to soldier on, take one for the team and brave the overwhelming horror I was feeling because a total stranger was exposing her stomach and injecting herself. ;-p
I agree, pick your battles and I think that this is one that needs to be supported. Why is it North Americans who claim to have the most freedom, most tolerant cultures, seem to be the only ones that are frightened when a woman breastfeeds her baby in public. Yet dont seem to have a problem with Girls gone Wild, half naked HO's in music videos or more porn channels that you could possibly watch? | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 6:41:07 PM | I don't see a thing in the world wrong with breast feeding on a plane, or anywhere else. I don't think women should force it on an infant to just spite people that might become uncomfortable, but if the baby is hungry, feed the baby. Breast milk is the best choice.
Besides, we see breasts in ads, TV shows, magazines, hell just about everywhere. Apparently the rule is that the nipple must be covered. The rest of the breast is an acceptable display.
So if the baby has the nipple in his/her mouth, the nipple is covered. So all we are really seeing is maybe a nipple peek as the baby latches on and after that it's just extra cleavage.
I totally support breasts, every chance I get. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 6:42:17 PM | It reminds me a bit of that Janet Jackson incident, at least in the reaction to the event, if not the actual circumstances behind it. One can walk around almost naked, and it's acceptable.
Anyone sees a nipple, and all hell break's loose.
I don't see a problem with it at all, you cannot get more real and natural than a mother breast feeding her child.  | |
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late™
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Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 49 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 6:45:26 PM | I totally support breasts, every chance I get.
I hear you brother.
My daughter nursed for a year and a half, she never had a bottle. When my ex went back to work at 6m, I would take my daughter to her work everyday for lunch, when she was old enough to start making up words she called it "mommynums".
How people could be offended by such a beautiful and ancient act of motherhood, ...kinda' scares me. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/23/2006 7:09:03 PM | The point is .. if its makes you uncomfortable.. DON'T LOOK and plus how much could others really see.. on a plane... you all face FORWARD. It's really sad, that people dont have something better to complain about.
My first experience with breast feeding in public was with a g/f new mom of course,.. we had gone to dinner, casual place, and at some point had to feed her child.
It wasnt until AFTER she was finished that the waiter had come up and asked her to go to the bathroom next time she "felt the need" to feed her child.... (no mention that it had made anyone uncomfortable)
My g/f is not a hot tempered person, but this got under her skin right away...
she informed the waiter that she would gladly take her child to the bathroom the next time she "felt the need" to feed her child... if he would take his dinner the bathroom on his break and eat it in there!
We didnt make a big stink but had planned on never returning to that resturant and were currently discussing what to put in a formal complaint to the owners.
As the dinner wrapped up, the chef came out and informed us that dinner was on her. She had overheard this waiter and thought him to be out of place. We advised her this wasnt nessesary, thanked her and asked for her name so we could praise her in the letter.
We paid and left.
Got a letter a few weeks later from the owner. Thanking us for taking the time to write.... overall it was a lovely letter, turned out, the CHEF WAS THE OWNER.
We attend this place all the time now and the owner has put a sticker in her window(on the door) that her establishment is a "breastfeeding friendly enviroment" | |
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