| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:01:58 AM | Too many people are uptight abotu things that are natural and normal and no one should worry about.
Babies dont always breastfeed easily so maybe once it started she wasnt wanting to play around with a blanket and hope the child latches on again. Now they are sitting in their seats, she is at the window and her husband beside her. Who can see her???
The people in the same row in the middle of the aircraft if they turn their heads 90 degrees. The air crew should have told these people that its not polite to stare! No one sitting behind them can see and no one sitting in front of them can see either so whats the problem?
Besides I hear down in the US they were making people drink any pumped milk or formula to make sure it wasnt some type of explosive. Maybe they should just ban babies. | |
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e-wok
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Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 102 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:33:31 AM |
Maybe they should just ban babies
Actually they should have a baby section and a non-baby section. For one thing,
I didn't spend $1100 to hear a crying baby next to me. It's happend twice
to me. Bump me to first class....that's what I'll ask for next time.
...but I digress... | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 5:42:51 AM | Let's be clear here. She was NOT a "baby / infant" She was almost 2 years old.
She could walk, talk, sit, chew with their teeth, play with toys, drink out of a cup, drink out of a bottle.
This was a toddler...maybe even potty trained at this point.
The mother was NEVER told that she could not breastfeed the toddler.
Both parties over reacted and it escalated. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 6:11:48 AM | | I think that a woman breastfeeding her baby is a wonderful thing. The healthiest feeding option for the baby as well. Women sacrifice enough just carrying the baby for nine months and breast feeding is just another selfless act of love for the benefit of their child. They shouldnt have to put up with :raised eyebrows" or unjust laws to stop them from doing so. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 6:21:46 AM | Please stop confusing the needs of a infant with that of a toddler.
But why let facts get in the way.
OK...I'm done here. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 6:55:32 AM | | Sorry justthank. I guess i should have read this thread more carefully. I do have to research the two year old thing but come to think of it, that does seem too old to breastfeed. The child has teeth, therefore should be introduced to solid food. I think I have to lean more to 2 yrs old being too old to breastfeed. | |
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ousu
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 107 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 8:05:01 AM |
Actually they should have a baby section and a non-baby section.
I agree. I was wishing for this already when my own was a baby.
For peaceful breast feeding there could be, at least, a section separated with a curtain even though it won't eliminate the noise. When flying short distances it does not matter that much but it is quite a lot to ask people to listen crying children several hours. (Sounds rude but there is a reason why the nature has made baby's cry an irritating one.)
I think that a woman breastfeeding her baby is a wonderful thing. The healthiest feeding option for the baby as well.
The health issue: till 6 months. After that it becomes more and more as entertainments without real nutritional value. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 11:03:23 AM | Please stop confusing the needs of a infant with that of a toddler.
But why let facts get in the way
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needs.....you obviously know nothing about....
I do have to research the two year old thing but come to think of it, that does seem too old to breastfeed. The child has teeth, therefore should be introduced to solid food. I think I have to lean more to 2 yrs old being too old to breastfeed
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yes, you should research more into that.....North America is the ONLY country that does not breastfeed into toddler years, and ONLY because of the fact of the pressure society puts on them...
The health issue: till 6 months. After that it becomes more and more as entertainments without real nutritional value
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re-check your sources on that one.....
antibodies given from the mother to the child are well past 6 months old....
there are MORE possitives to breastfeeding into toddler years then there are not....
perhaps before people start shooting their mouths off about the benefits of breastfeeding, they should do a bit more research into the matter........
ignorant people with large mouths, really suck | |
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ousu
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Joined: 6/2/2005
Msg: 109 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 11:16:17 AM | Backater,
I admit I should have been more exact. Full breast feeding is recommended 4-6 months, after six months the recommendation is partial breast feeding till... in Finland till 12 months, by WHO even more. Six months is said to be necessary when possible.
(And here, when question is about developted countries, I tend to trust more Finnish research.)
(Huu, you sound like you are in bad mood...) | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 11:26:05 AM | Personally ~ I am grossly offended when a woman breast feeds without being covered. I am not at all interested in seeing someone else's breast and I am certainly not interested in viewing a baby attached to the breast's nipple. There seems to be a thought process/theory that because it's good for the baby and natural ~ that the rest of the world should not only have to "get over it" and ignore it, but also embrace nature at work. Sorry ~ it's not something everyone wants to see. It seems to me that some people are so "me" oriented that they don't realize common courtesy plays a factor out in the real world. It's illegal for me to show my breasts in public ~ yet attach a baby to it and it's all just "natural." Makes no sense. JMO  | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 2:06:24 PM | backatter,
I have two children under the age of 7. Both breastfed until 18 months when my wife said OK that's enough. So YES I DO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT IT. No, I haven't done it personally.
No one was DISPUTING the benefits of breastfeeding. NO ONE.
We were just disputing the benefits of not covering yourself up a little bit while on a plane and feeding toddler. I doubt that breastfeeding was her only form of nourishment, but that's just my opinion based on raising two children of my own. | |
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chinua
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Joined: 9/30/2005
Msg: 112 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 2:31:34 PM | | one reason why so many women don't breastfeed past 6 months; they have to go back to work!! I have read many times that drs. recommend supplements.........and that breastmilk is low in vitamin D. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:11:18 PM | I wonder if even if a woman has her baby in a sling around her and she has those special nursing blouses and nursing bra, remember nothing is seen except for the baby obviously feeding....would people still be offended? Would a woman still need to cover her baby in a blankie because the idea of what she is doing is offensive to some?
It would be obvious what was happening. I wonder if she should have to sit in a corner in some special room or change room in a mall (or anywhere) just to feed her kid, or is it okay so long as skin isn't shown? What do people have the problem with? Is it the idea and the sexual connection to breasts, or is it the actual exposure?
Are people squeamish at the thought of being around it and their imaginations running wild about what they cannot see? The only thing I've seen in the past is a lump of skin and the baby suckling. There really wasn't much to see. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:34:43 PM | I wonder how much of the details have been omitted for convenience.
I sat on a 7-hour plane next to a cranky, stuffy-nosed 15 month-old who refused to be quieted. The mother was apologetic and stressed, and the surrounding passengers very very unhappy after we had endured several hours of ear-splitting wails (this kid could shatter glass, believe me).
In desperation, I made puppets and began to distract and entertain the baby, who finally decided to crawl into my lap for comfort - a surprise to the mother and myself, as the child was normally shy. Other than periodic feedings (very discreet) and diaper changes, she sat with me for the remainder of the flight, and of course, I caught her cold. But, peace was established and kept. The mother and I had a lot of time to chat, and I got a glimpse of her life as a working mom and she, mine as a professional.
This family (subject of this thread) was on the return leg of a trip. I wonder if the child was fussy and loud, and the mother, tired and anxious to get home, trying to quiet her. I think there is more to this than just what was reported in the very brief news reports. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:39:42 PM | A couple things.......
Maybe the mom didn't want to get back on the plane (if she was ever truly offered the chance to get back on board) because she didn't want to deal with the attendant who caused the problem in the first place.
How thick was the blanket? Was it clean? How does anyone know that this attendant doesn't hate children and gave mom a filthy blanket out of the dirty linen area? Did anyone consider the fact that maybe mom didn't want the blanekt because then seh can't make sure that the child is still nursing? Maybe the child has asthma and can't breathe well with her head covered up? They do say to not even let children (yes, I know, under the age of one, not 22 months, but this argument has been used for babies as young as newborn) sleep with a blanket any more, to prevent SIDS. Most moms who nurse have to check to make sure the baby is still nursing, because it's hard to tell after you've been nursing a while.
If she had been waiting that long, the child might have been almost asleep, and covering up might have caused breathing problems, woken the child up, or any number of problems for the mom. Then you have a screaming 22 month old child.
And for those that say to pump, check out prices for pumps. They're not cheap. And as for bottles, my son refuses, doesn't matter what is in it. Could be breastmilk, juice, water, formula, it does not matter. He wants the real stuff.
The people that have the problem with breastfeeding moms need blankets. Or blinders. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:41:32 PM | | My opinion...she should have taken the goddamn blanket...our society has all different levels of thinking and we each need to be respectful to each other...some people are more comfortable then others but c'mon already...i love breasts but i would not whip mine out if i know that some are not quite there yet. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:50:42 PM | | I did a lot of travelling with my kids, and did breastfeed my second child. I always made sure I didn't whip my breasts out whenever or wherever I was. I rode the train on numerous occasions and always covered up with a blanket. It wasn't a big deal to cover it up. I think some women are more into worrying about making a point. I was at work one day and this woman comes in and next thing I know I am talking to her, her baby, and her breast. Did she have to whip it out right then? The baby wasn't crying before she placed that nipple in his/her mouth. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:57:15 PM | | I didn't know that babies needed to always cry to let their needs be known...... I hope that baby didn't need to cry to have its diaper changed, too. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:58:07 PM | | And I supposed Rosa Parks shouldn't have sat in the "wrong" part of the bus, and we shouldn't ever stop a person from abusing their child in public, because it might make someone uncomfortable? It might rock the boat, so let's just not do it? It seems like many people here feel that the mother should have just laid low and complied...really, should we settle for that in life? There's so many places for us to grow as individuals and as a society...why don't we start with a fairly easy one...breastfeeding. I agree 100% with the others who've said public breastfeeding only bothers those who are uncomforatble on some levels with their own sexuality, be it over-sexed or under....r | |
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e-wok
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Joined: 9/25/2006
Msg: 120 | |
| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:06:38 PM | It's the Me Me generation....no consideration to the fact that this squeemishness
has been around for ages.
I wish personally I wasn't squeemish to the sound of sucking of breasts. But I
can't change that. Maybe she should have finished feeding before she got
on the plane? This particular woman could not pretend this reaction was
the first and she sounds like a litigious biotch.
I believe the pilot did leave the cabin and invited her back and if she's
SCARED of the flight attendant then simply take the next flight.
And if some had suggested she can't afford a breast
pump, well there ya have it.....she's gonna found a money making
scheme.
Next time don't have children if you can't afford to raise them with
all the amenities. College is going to be way more expensive than a breast pump.
And I'm sure if I have a baby one day my wife and I would respect
those around us....we just know it's not for everybody. Common sense. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:26:38 PM | | Depends on where u want society to grow to i guess...Rosa parks and breasts? Rosa stood up for some thing in society that was out of balance she helped start the balance that society should have...What balance could breastfeeding in public give us? Point well takin but until we all wake up and choose to grow together we do need a balance...i guess i like the word balance too...why not let my boyfriend suck on my nipples on the redeye?? i need to feed his pleasure and how would that be hurting anyone...give me a break. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:28:10 PM |
I didn't know that babies needed to always cry to let their needs be known...... I hope that baby didn't need to cry to have its diaper changed, too.
^^^^^ not sure if that was directed to me but I will respond anyway.
I have raised two wonderful children who have grown into two well adjusted adults. So I am thinking I knew when to meet their needs. My point was, when standing in a place of business and holding a baby in your arms, who isn't crying, who doesn't appear to be hungry, one does not need to whip their tit out and place it in the babies mouth, does one? | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 4:47:40 PM | I doubt that breastfeeding was her only form of nourishment, but that's just my opinion based on raising two children of my own
so I am sure you also know how much it comforted your child when it was sick, or upset or uncomfortable?
this is no win......
people don't like to see a woman DISCREETLY feed her child....but they want the brat to sit quiet for a 4 hour flight?....you CANNOT have it all!
This family (subject of this thread) was on the return leg of a trip. I wonder if the child was fussy and loud, and the mother, tired and anxious to get home, trying to quiet her. I think there is more to this than just what was reported in the very brief news reports
EXACTLY!
I have been on many flights since my child was born, and EVERYTIME we all stood up at the end of the flight....everyone was like "wow, he was on here the whole flight"?
you know how uncomfortable it is for you to fly, how about a child?
everytime, my partner sat beside me and I never covered up, you would have had to have been sitting beside me bent over in my lap to see my boobs....like it is with 90% of women who DO breastfeed....
we KNOW people do not approve, and feel like we are being "watched" enough, do you not think we know this and be as discreet as possible?
blanket or not, like I said....unless she had her shirt of standing in the ailse with her kid hanging off her tlt....NO ONE could have seen, it is just the "thought" of it
Next time don't have children if you can't afford to raise them with
all the amenities. College is going to be way more expensive than a breast pump.
And I'm sure if I have a baby one day my wife and I would respect
those around us....we just know it's not for everybody. Common sense
obviously not a parent who has had breastfed....OBVIOUSLY like stated....it is not she was breastfeeding for nutritional value....it was COMFORT....her, being unselfish, was probably trying to ensure her child was quiet for all the other customers flying who would have bltched about a crying baby.....
yes, you pay a lot for your flight....so does she....... | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 5:25:07 PM |
blanket or not, like I said....unless she had her shirt off standing in the ailse with her kid hanging off her tlt....NO ONE could have seen, it is just the "thought" of it
I guess babies will just have to put up with being discriminated against, with the expectation that they have a different "dress code" for the ones who get the breast instead of the bottle..... poor babies have to wear blankets on their heads. What will anthropologists think in 500 years? I can see it now - "21st century society in USA viewed sexual desires as more important than nutritional needs of infants and toddlers. Adult members of this era's society were more interested in pleasure and could not discern the difference between their own sexual wants and and an infants' most basic needs for food and comfort". Yeah, I can see that being said about us. I also know that I can't convince someone who refuses to learn.
And I agree with the mindset of the quoted post above, not disagree with it, btw. | |
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| Breastfeeding on a plane.
Posted: 11/26/2006 5:31:57 PM | | That mother has a right to breastfeed and I have a right not to witness her bare breast. Someone has to give in. I'll turn my head and she should cover up. That's a fair compromise. Like it or not, planes are tight, cramped and very impersonal. Whether or not anyone agrees, you can see between the seats, people moving about the cabin will definitely notice and if on a large plane, anyone on both sides of her would have a peep show going on next to them. Whether some agree or not, a bare breast (even with a child attached to it) is hard to miss. JMO | |
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