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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/18/2007 2:34:47 PM |
I gaurantee she will end up in another abusive relationship when she had a great guy all along.
I'm sorry, but YOU cannot guarantee anything in regards to any other human being...
What she does in response to HER hurt is entirely up to her..
But lets not forget that the option of healing and moving past her pain to form a healthy relationship is a distinct possibility.. with or without you | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/18/2007 3:20:44 PM | No One who has survived an abusive relationship, is " damaged Goods".
I was 19 when i married my 1st boyfriend ever, i was very shy and timid by nature, he was military, the abuse started 7 months into the marriage, at first was just verbal and mental, wheni told ithers about it no one belived me, he was sucha people person every one liked him, but no one knew him behind closed doors. the physical abuse came after the 1st year, and escalated to the point i was a captive in my own home, no phone no car , was not allowed to talk to any one or go anywere with out him to include family, as i said he was my 1st , the only thing i figured out about sex from him was it hurt like hell and i couldnot think why pople liked it. i did not have the rightto say no to sex, if i did he took it anyway usually by holdiong me to the bed by my neck. i finaly left him after 7 years, ( yes a long time, but i had no one to turn to, tried his command they did not believe me ) when i woke up one morning with him sitting on my chest beating the hell out of me and i dont even know why, and our 3 and 5 year old daughters were standing there crying. i took the girls some clothes and snuck out. he found me and tried to kill me, then he commited suiced.
That was 13 years ago. I did remarry , we deviorced over my inability to have more children . Do i trust men, to a degree yes, do i think they are all abusive NO do i flinh still if someone raises their hand fast toward my face, HELL YES. and duck, then laugh at myself. do i still have nitemares yes. But i am NOT damaged goods. i am very affectionate and a " touchy feely" person, i will not let what he did to me rule my life or my future, and to any man who would not date a women who was abused in the past, YOUR LOSE, you will never know she may have been the person you have been looking for.
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/18/2007 3:36:11 PM |
I'm sorry, but YOU cannot guarantee anything in regards to any other human being...
Yes you may be right but most people who do not address their issues usually tend to attract the same types. The she in questions has had several abusive relationships in the past so a pattern has formed and will continue until she realizes she has a problem. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 12:32:12 AM |
Lifetime TV Becomes Mouthpiece For Radical Feminist Lobbying Machine By David R. Usher Apr 15, 2007 While Don Imus is being thrashed within an inch of his career for making neanderthal comments about the Rutgers Women's Basketball team, and the real victims of the Duke Rape Case have finally been identified, radical feminists at Lifetime Movie Channel are committing acts of social violence against men that are far worse.
Lifetime TV (also known as Lifetime Movie Network) has become a major socio-political mouthpiece for promulgation of the sexist agenda of radical feminism. LMN's show schedule is loaded with sexist and myopic "documentaries" about abused women.
Some of LMN's recent hate programming includes "Every Nine Seconds", "If Someone Had Known", "Broken Silence", "The Promise", "Dangerous Intentions", "Dangerous Child", "Fighting the Odds", "Final Justice", "A Life Interrupted", "Lies Of The Heart", "The Stranger Beside Me", "**stard Out Of Carolina", and "Her Desperate Choice". Not one of LMN's shows honestly presents the true facts of domestic violence or holds women responsible for the half of domestic violence they DO initiate.
LMN goes beyond broadcasting unsupportable broad beliefs about men and husbands; it is also a major lobbying mouthpiece of the radical feminist machine.
The week of March 16th, LMN is fronting a series of events at the National Press Club in Washington D.C., apparently to scare or fool Congress into passing the International Violence Against Women Act (I-VAWA). I-VAWA is an illicit scheme intended to directly entitle feminists at the United Nations. Global feminists intend to use taxpayer dollars to force CEDAW and its array of Marcusian socialist agenda on the United States as well as the rest of the world.
LMN's lobbying event will feature an Oedipal rendition about domestic violence by Eve Ensler. Ensler is best known for the "Vagina Monologues", which among other things glorifies sexual abuse of boys by predatory women.
As part of the Congressional lobbying event, LMN's Sunday lineup for Sunday, April 15th features nearly nine hours of manufactured melodrama about abused women.
LMN recently scared Congress into reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act. As part of this, the International Marriage Broker Regulation Act (IMBRA) was passed, which forms a "Berlin Wall" around the United States to prevent American men from marrying foreign women, on the notion that these women are being imported as sex slaves and are therefore victims of sex trafficking.
LMN's involvement as a feminist political machine runs deep. The National Organization for Women (NOW) works frequently with LMN, highlighting LMN's "important public education messages" about "violence against women". NOW is where it starts, and LMN is where a river of muck emerges in millions of homes.
Lies about men and domestic violence may have millions of victims. The Duke Rape case is the most visible: Three young men nearly went to prison for thirty years based on no evidence whatsoever. VAWA provides the funding and legal process that shaped the Duke Lacrosse Rape case. David Evans testified to this personally: "Many people across this country, across this state would not have the opportunity that we did, and this could simply have been brushed underneath the rug just as another case and some innocent person would end up in jail for their entire life"
The disgusting part of this is that thousands of men rot in American jails simply because they did not have the financial resources to defend themselves against the crushing weight of the distorted prosecutorial system created by VAWA. We do not try these cases: untested allegations are "validated" under limited procedures, and men go to jail.
Lifetime TV's website features a large collection of feminist misinformation now considered so false that the U.N. Third Committee rejected the U.N. Secretary-Generals report, which was based on similar information. Feminist claims LMN disseminates are so unbelievable that even Russia rejected the same U.N. Report.
One false LMN claim comes from a debunked U.N. Population Fund report claiming that "one in three women worldwide will be beaten, raped, coerced into sex or otherwise abused in her lifetime".
LMN grossly distorts dating violence, claiming that "Young women ages 16 to 24 experience the highest rate of domestic violence", when in fact young university women in most nations are statistically more violent than young men.
False metrics propagandized by LMN include long-debunked myths such as the now-ancient claim that "Approximately 1.5 million women in the United States are physically assaulted annually by an intimate partner. That's one every 15 seconds."
In its fictional mini-series "Human Trafficking", LMN claims that between 14,500 and 17,500 people are trafficked into the U.S. for sale into sexual slavery each year. This wild assertion is cancelled by the truth LMN admits: despite four-year expenditures of $320-million, only 60 cases were filed and 118 convictions rendered -- an insignificant 29 convictions annually -- at a cost exceeding $2.7-million per conviction.
We have seen wild statistics about sexual trafficking before: Feminists claimed that 40,000 women would be trafficked to Germany for the 2006 World Cup Finals. Despite massive expenditures, police found just five cases.
LMN proudly "partners" with a large network of federally-entitled radical-feminist organizations, who misuse federal monies to generate massive quantities of false surveys and to buy propaganda time in the media, to loosen up more federal entitlements. LMN is, of course, a corrupt profiteer in this venture: these shows are ultimately partially or fully funded by taxpayer dollars as grants to feminist production houses.
When is Congress going to do the right thing and revise or rescind the Violence Against Women Act? Congress would never permit PBS to violate fairness-in-broadcasting standards, or to lobby Congress with our federal dollars in the broadside manner demonstrated by LMN. The misinformation LMN expounds is essentially identical to serious misrepresentations of fact that caused PBS to quietly but unapologetically withdraw its documentary "Breaking The Silence" in 2006.
Anyone upset about Don Imus should be much more concerned about the Lifetime Movie Network. Imus's comments did not actually harm anyone. LMN's agenda wreaks havoc in marriages and emotivates passage of laws based on the deeply sexist, anti-marriage political agenda of radical feminism. This creeping agenda has led to a national divorce rate of over 50%, drives today's record rates of non-marriage and illegitimacy, and is the primary predictor of poverty for women and children.
As an issue of corporate responsibility, cable companies such as Charter and Comcast should drop the Lifetime Movie Network from their line-up immediately. LMN's agenda is exceptionally damaging to women, children, and men.
LMN must start planting seeds for personal growth and happiness in women, and stop planting dynamite in their heads. LMN's programming should positively impact mental health of its viewers, not practice unsound psychological principles inculcating unhealthy beliefs that drive women to harm themselves and their marriages.
For example, viewers need policies and programming that helps and encourages alcoholic or drug-addicted women into recovery programs. LMN's programming automatically blames men for any and all marital conflict, teaches women to resolve all problems by evicting the husband from the family. This leaves troubled women do "do it all" on less money, while children are raised by a struggling alcoholic mother.
Corporate responsibility calls for marriage-building policies and programming that helps women work positively through the common problems of marriage and aging - such as the two-year baby blues, the four-year boredom, the seven-year itch, the fifteen-year mid-life crisis, retirement, and menopause.
Lifetime Movie Network's programming hurts far more women than it helps. Its cultish programming crudely projects all imperfections and dissatisfactions of life and marriage uniquely on husbands. In psychology, "projection" of one's problems on another person is a classic marker of the dysfunctional personality. The teaching of mass dysfunctionality by LMN is disgusting to any reasonable person, and is absolutely indefensible on any grounds.
While we all stand for free speech, there are bright lines we do not cross. We strongly object to Don Imus's disgusting comments about the women of the Rutgers basketball team. We would never permit the Ku Klux Klan to have a cable channel for promoting hateful or discriminatory legislation against blacks in Congress. We are disgusted about the Duke Rape Case. On these principles, Lifetime TV does not deserve a public podium for promoting false science, hate of men, and enacting federal laws intended to broadly discriminate against good men in home, family, and society.
David R. Usher is Senior Policy Analyst for the True Equality Network and President of the American Coalition for Fathers and Children, Missouri Coalition | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 7:00:36 AM | Cedar77's article stems from the masculinist movement, which is, in effect, a backlash against all feminism - not only the radical type. I wouldn't too put much credibility in it.
Dr. Warren Farrell, Dr. Stephen Baskerville & David R. Usher are some of the leaders of the masculinist movement. During a course at Concordia University the professor used a lot of their writing. Both these men would rather keep women in their place, barefoot & pregnant, unemployed & voiceless. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 8:59:56 AM |
Both these men would rather keep women in their place, barefoot & pregnant, unemployed & voiceless.
..that's ridiculous.... Would you be more specific as to what you found objectionable in my above post?
The Myth of Male Power (Paperback) by Warren Farrell (Author) "The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women is the facade of weakness..." (more) Key Phrases: male disposability, battered man syndrome, financial womb, United States, New York, Agent Orange (more...)
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Review by leader in Men's Movement, January 22, 2000 Reviewer: Pradeep Ramanathan (USA) - See all my reviews The Myth of Male Power, by author and gender-reconciliation champion, Dr. Warren Farrell, is truly a landmark work. Over the course of the next century it will come to be seen for what it is: a bold and inexorable challenge to American society to rethink from its deepest foundations the present and past attitudes and approaches towards gender equality - an approach that has been dominated by victim feminism. The Myth of Male Power confronts the politically correct myths that undermine true equality and gender reconciliation. Given the current climate of politically correct misandry and the feminist hegemony of gender discourse, it takes tremendous courage to challenge the orthodoxy and establishment. Both Dr. Farrell and his publisher, Simon & Schuster, deserve the highest kudos for their willingness to face the fire on this one. One thing that makes The Myth of Male Power so fair-minded and authentic is that it affirms the legitimate concerns of women. Because of this, no female reader need fear that it is simply the flip side of feminism (ie: an ideology that preaches that society is actually not male-dominated and patriarchal, but female dominated and matriarchal, and that all problems are due to women with men its primary victims). This is important because it helps fair-minded men and women to see that Dr. Farrell is not seeking to replace feminism with masculism, or engage in "backlash". Indeed it demonstrates his absolute and unwavering commitment to real gender equality and fairness. At the same time, Dr. Farrell does not limit the discussion of gender to women's issues.
The Myth of Male Power explains how almost all societies in general (but American society in particular) are both matriarchal and patriarchal, how men's and women's roles provide unique benefits and limitations on each gender. Both men and women may be seen to be privileged and disadvantaged, each in different ways. Of course, the focus of the book, as the title suggests, is on the male role. This is done not to slight women's issues, but rather to supplement the ever-growing body of literature and research on gender issues which tends to frame the problems from an essentially female perspective.
Well researched, meticulously documented, and richly footnoted, The Myth of Male Power is sure to appeal to the intelligent reader, as well as to scholars who require the references to verify for themselves that no foul play is underfoot. Using a multi-modal approach, Dr. Farrell combines hard statistics, charts, and data tables, with cartoons, humor, and the moving personal anecdotes of individual men and women.
Despite its fair-minded and rigorously documented approach, it does take courage to read the book. Male readers will no longer be able to console themselves (if ever they did) with the myth that they have all the power and privilege in society. Female readers may feel threatened by the challenge to claim their power and its attendant requirement of authenticity and personal responsibility, rather than continuing to hide behind the apron strings of victim feminism.
Despite the strengths of The Myth of Male Power there will always be detractors to Dr. Warren Farrell's work. Why? There are reasons that the current climate of feminist misandry exists. A lot of men have a deep psychological investment in the code of chivalry - protecting women against all threats (real or imagined). Such men may misconstrue Dr. Farrell's challenge as an attack on women. (This is ironic given Farrell's understanding of women's issues, and credentials as the only man ever to have been elected three times to the board of directors of N.O.W. in New York city.) Similarly, a lot of women have a deep psychological investment in feminism and its cozy reassurance that women are always victims, never needing to feel responsible for any of the problems in their lives. Such men and women may find that the challenge of The Myth of Male Power is a threat to them and they may object vociferously. Fortunately, however, such voices are beginning to face some opposition. In my own years of experience as a leader in the movement for men's rights and the establishment of real gender equality, I have seen that men and women alike are now beginning to see through the feminist myths of male power and privilege. Many people are beginning to tire of hearing that women are victims and men oppressors. While this is a good start, the process of correcting society's anti-male biases is in its infancy. Dr. Farrell's book will be seen to have played a crucial role in helping us move towards real equality, and mutual love and respect between the sexes.
After reading this book, some readers (both men and women) may feel inspired to help take action to head off American society's headlong flight towards misandry, masculophobia, and the destruction of fatherhood and the American family. Such readers may consider joining or making a donation to gender-egalitarian organizations that work towards addressing the sex-discrimination faced by men and boys in our society (thus harming everyone, including women). For such readers, the National Coalition of Free Men (on whose Board of Advisors Dr. Farrell sits) offers a unique spring-board for social activism. NCFM is unique in that it is a generalist men's rights organization, not focussing only on one specific men's issue (such as father's rights, men's health, domestic violence, etc.), and because NCFM, founded in 1977, is a grassroots organizations with chapters, membership, and group meetings across the country. To learn more about the National Coalition of Free Men, please visit our website. For readers interested solely in Fathers' Rights, the National Congress for Fathers and Children is an excellent organization. Although women are welcome in these organizations, female readers may prefer organizations aimed primarily at women, like the Women's Freedom Network. The Myth of Male Power includes an appendix listing many other outstanding organizations committed to true gender equality and fairness.
With best wishes for a good read!
Pradeep Ramanathan, Executive Vice-President, National Coalition of Free Men
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 10:15:52 AM | i wish you were right,that poise,level of class, manner a woman carries herself and aura were enough to protect against rape...they are not. unless you have been there please dont judge. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 10:56:01 AM | Cedar77:
First, let me mention that I have read & own the book written by Farrell ''The Myth of Male Power'' & many others as well, including Bly's.
Second, I agree that men in today's society also suffer from forms of powerlessness.
Third, I am 1st & foremost a humanist since I fully understand that both genders are preys of socialization, capitalism & the powers that be.
In Farrell's conclusion he writes: ''Ideally there should not be a men's movement but a gender transition movement; only the power of the women's movement necessitates the temporary corrective of a men's movement. And this creates a special challenge for men: There are few political movements filled with healthy people, yet few healthy changes have occurred without political movements.'' p. 383-384
The fault that I find in many of the readings I have done on the masculinist movement is their need to completely negate all of the writings of the feminist movement (soft & hard-core, radical feminism alike). Were Farrell truly wanting to change things for the better for both sexes such tactics would not be necessary. If he truly wanted gender equality he would not identify his movement as a masculinist movement but as a ''gender transition movement'' but that is not the case. If, as he states, political movements do not create healthy changes, then this is quite possibly the case for the masculinists movement as well, why should this one be any better than the feminist movement which he so loves to negate? Bashing feminist theories to make masculinist theories seem better will never bring about equality nor will it bring about gender transition. The men's movement is plain & simple a backlash & a war of words & theories just as it is in the writings of the hard-core radical feminist writings.
I am not a hard-core radical but I need be leery about masculinist theories & their writings since many men who adhere become radicals themselves.
Tis high time both genders see to eachother's rights. There should be no winners nor loosers in this movement towards equality.
P.S.: I'll re-read the articles & post about this latter. P.S.2: All of the articles you have posted so far stem from the masculinist movement so they must be viewed as biased, just as anything written from the feminist movement may be - Makes sense, no?
Peace & no hard feelings :-) | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 12:07:53 PM | OOOUUUPPSSS, my bad.
Correction to my last post:
I wrote: ''If, as he states, political movements do not create healthy changes,...''
Should have written: If, as he states, ''There are few political movements filled with healthy people, yet few healthy changes have occurred without political movements'' then this is quite possibly the case for the masculinists movement as well, why should this one be any better than the feminist movement which he so loves to negate?
In other words, I believe that there are bad apples, i.e. radicals, in all movements. Nonetheless, some movements have create some postive changes. The feminist movement has done so in certain areas, hopefully the men's will as well. However, what I fear is that many radical proponets of the men's movement would like to see the gains obtained by the feminist movement shoved backwards instead of moving things forward & gaining positive changes for the equality of the sexes.
I'm certain that if the masculinist movements theories were based soley on their own research without bashing most of what feminists have written, I'd likely have less of a hard time with thier writings. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 12:09:20 PM | | My saying "get over it" sounded kind of harsh, but I didn't mean it that way. I meant it more in a "we need to get over ourselves" kind of way. God forbid someone should think I am a mean and evil person. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 12:44:06 PM | Atlast:
Thank you very much for realising that those specific words do indeed sound harsh. It is one sign of being a good man when one can apologise. Tis sad that so many have a hard time doing so. So, bravo to you for having done so. :-)
''Get over it'' is something that many survivors have heard from family & friends. It makes them feel like no one cares about the troubles they are having due to the abuse they have experienced by no fault of their own, as a result, many survivors stop receiving the support & comfort of friends & family, which they direly need. To become isolated is one of the hardest thing when support & comfort is so needed. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 4:30:09 PM | All of the articles you have posted so far stem from the masculinist movement so they must be viewed as biased, just as anything written from the feminist movement may be - Makes sense, no?
I think the "masculinist" movement ....might be better described as the male defense movement . I seriously doubt there will ever be a male movement that sinks anywhere near the level of the hateful , vindictive and manipulative mind set of too much of what has been "feminism".
Of course it makes sense that there could be bias in favour of the members any political group that group represents . I think that discerning fair minded people can judge for themselves what stems from bias and what is fair and honest evaluation. I think , for whatever reason , thing's have been very lop sided . I do think that too much of feminism has been world champion of bias ....to the point of vicious misandrist hatred all too often. If you see bias ..please point it out .
Here is yet another example of why men are badly in need to be on the defensive , and for women to recognise that "politics" should never trump fairness, decency , or truth....
V-Day twists holiday into male-bashing event
By Christina Hoff Sommers
Saturday evening, thousands of women will gather at Madison Square Garden in New York City to observe "V-Day."
The sponsors of this "Violence Against Women Day" intend to transform Valentine's Day into a "holiday" that deplores men's brutal treatment of women. "V-Day," say the planners, "proclaims Valentine's Day as V-Day until the violence stops. When all women live in safety, then it will be known as Victory Over Violence Day."
One might expect strong resistance to the idea of changing a charming and well-loved romantic holiday into a day of outrage. In fact, V-Day now is in its fourth year, and its popularity is growing.
V-Day originated in the mind of Eve Ensler, author of the off-Broadway hit, The Vagina Monologues. This play is loosely based on interviews with more than 200 women on the subject of their intimate anatomy. Theatergoers find some of the comments amusing. But its more serious preoccupation is exposing male insensitivity and violence. It offers a rogues' gallery of oafs, brutes, adulterers, rapists, child molesters and vile little boys.
An information sheet assures us that "it isn't the style or substance of V-Day to bash anyone." But apart from this disclaimer, V-Day, like The Monologues, appears dedicated to the proposition that women are from Venus and men are from hell.
Dozens of luminaries, among them Oprah Winfrey, Brooke Shields, Winona Ryder and Calista Flockhart, are scheduled to participate in Saturday's gala. Activities will include speeches against rape and battery, "empowerment" workshops and dramatic readings from The Vagina Monologues.
Jane Fonda, who just donated $1 million to the V-Day campaign, is honorary chair. Celebrity acolytes refer to themselves as "Eve's Army."
An unassailable goal?
V-Day supporters justify their movement to redefine Valentine's Day by pointing to the high purpose this serves. How, they ask, could anyone possibly object to a holiday dedicated to diminishing battery and murder?
The first thing to say is that choosing Valentine's Day for any such purpose is grossly inappropriate. Why pick the one day that celebrates all of the good things that happen between men and women and turn it into a day that focuses on the bad things? By this twisted logic, we should be working to turn Mother's Day into a "holiday" condemning all of the vicious things some mothers do to their children.
V-Day's sponsors portray the United States as one of the most repressive and barbarous places on earth for women. One "fact sheet" they distribute says "22% to 35% of women who visit emergency rooms are there for injuries related to ongoing abuse."
Too many, but not that many
These numbers are egregiously wrong. The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that about one-half of 1% of women who visit emergency rooms are there for injuries related to domestic abuse. That still translates into distressingly high numbers of victims. But the true numbers are apparently not high enough for V-Day proponents. They are determined to implicate the average American man in an ongoing social atrocity and to place the United States on a moral par with countries that practice genital mutilation and bride burnings.
A holiday based on hysterical overstatement about the plight of American women is a bad idea on any day of the year. But "V-Day," say its supporters, "is a fierce, wild, unstoppable movement."
It certainly has momentum. This year, V-Day will be observed in 50 cities and 300 colleges worldwide. Organizers expect 20,000 women at Saturday's event and believe it will raise millions of dollars for the cause. Ensler herself is a formidable asset; her celebrity followers revere her. "She's giving us our souls back," Glenn Close told CNN.
Can Valentine's Day withstand the V-Day assault? It can and will. The millions of women and men who quietly celebrate the day in the traditional manner are its best defense. Their tender sentiments, expressed in flowers, heart-shaped boxes of chocolate and half-serious little poems, give the lie to Ensler's grim way of looking at the world.
Eve's Army may be marching in the name of women, but it certainly does not represent them.
Christina Hoff Sommers is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. Her latest book is The War Against Boys: How Feminism is Harming Our Young Men.
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/19/2007 9:11:29 PM | hi yes you are so right . in time most women will deal with it . we learn to put it in our past and move on with life ,and as you have said a stronger person who knows what we want and dont want in life . life is to short we only have one try at it and we should make the most of what we have | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 4/24/2007 11:42:16 AM | I have to say when I read the comments men had about abused women I felt lousy b/c I had been abused. However, I spent YEARS away from dating and getting to the root of the crap. The reality is it was my choice to be where I was - On top of that I'd like to say I met a guy that wasn't ABUSED but his wife broke his heart. He hasn't spent time figuring out his problems and in a much worse state than I am....
My point is you can't put people in a box. It's up to each person to determine what they want and to go get it. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/27/2007 7:11:37 PM | | HI wow this is like something that i just went through , this was an old gorlfriend from 30m yrs ago , 30 after i decided tom look her up talked on the phone for 3 yrs , she was going through a div at the time , 2 yrs after talking with her she went back with an old flame she almost married , she found out he was cheatting on her and his wife ?? i did not know she was seeing him , one yr after we got together , but all she did was mention her x and all her past relationships alwways bringging up the negative i finally told her to stop that she was only hurting herself by doing that , i told her to let go , she wrotte me the most beutyful letter telling me how great i was and what it was to feel loved again and much more , she would call me all the time and do nice things and admired me and took advice made love all the time , suddenlly all the calls stopped , she would be irritable compare me with x,s nothing i did or said was wright i was told i was manipulative and coontrolling and so many other things , i would break up than she would do something nice than she would break try to break up with me , i knew she was stressed , tried really did , and than one night after telling me to wait for a month to see her , we were supposed to spend this memorial day week end together and she changed meeting time i got their and she was not around eventually she got their with her daughter , she was all pissed off i didnt even get a hello from her i tried to hug her and console her and she just pushed me away ?? i felt bad but tried to understand , she had all the sighns that she had been cheatting on me , but i treid i thought i was worng but that night she just went nuts on me making excuses and accusing me of stuff , their is more but we got in a tug of war she wanted to leave but she had already run 5 stop sighns getting home from dropping her dauther off at some womans house that she did nothing but talk bad about so i treid to stop her i tried to hold her dont ever do that to any woman , after she told me to leave her house i did , i came back a few times to see if she was alwiright , but she refused to talk or open the door , i was heading back home wich is 4 hrs away and the cops stopped me turns out she called them and told them i tried to hit her !!!! anyway i told the cops that she had just told me she was dagnosed with post trumatic stress disorder caused by her ex husb !!! they seem to understand let me go , but when i got home i got all thes emails trying to implicate me and telling me how cruel i was and manipulative and controlling && and to stop emailing her , well the moral to this story and my best advice dont date woman that have been abused or suddenlly change in the way they treat you , RUN RUN LIKE HELL like this othet guys post says . their are more details but i have already rambled to much but i am so glad i saw this site i was feeling really lousy inside , i even went to web sites on how to be a better mate took personality tests and all sorts of stuff , i found one about how to tell a woman is cheatting on you and she showed every sighn ???? she is one nut case and the worse thing is she wants to be a teacher and doe teach as a helper at a school ???? | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/28/2007 3:11:18 AM | I have told my last two boyfriends I was abused by my husband (now former husband.) Now I don't tell anyone. They don't treat you the same afterwards. They look at you as damaged goods , and then use it against you when possible, or blab your stuff to anyone they know, and even use it as blackmail (not for money, but for whatever.) You can't move on when your significant other throws your past in your face to make you feel bad.
I'd just rather be alone than have them treat a guy like damaged goods. My sister abused me physically, too, so I'm just thinking it is because I'm so small (5 ft.) that I get picked on.
Ever just try being nice to your girlfriend? Maybe she doesn't want therapy and doesn't want to talk about whatever happened.
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/28/2007 3:40:30 AM | The only way someone who has been abused will ever recover is if you have some patience with her and show her you aren't like all of the 'abusers' of the past. If she has the same results with every guy she meets, she thinks everyone is the same. Unfortunately not a lot of guys have patience to wait before he is gone again. Very few guys have any time for anyone long-term unless they are getting something out of it. It is impossible to recover from emotional or physical abuse if all someone is seeing is you are playing the same game as everyone else.
Be her friend and understand the anger she may have toward you. Until she sees that everyone isn't an abuser, she will be angry. She will have the same anger towards everyone so don't take it personally. She will see you as another abuser unless time shows her you aren't one. Time heals all wounds and wounds are never going to be healed unless she finds someone who cares enough to help her heal them. She has to see for sure that one guy isn't an abuser in order to think that just maybe all guys aren't. She will shut everyone down until she finds that and not give anyone a chance. Until she sees different results than the ones she has had in the past, she is never going to be able to heal. She will never think good of herself until there is someone who can make her see and really believe she is worth something. Emotional abuse is much harder to recover from than physical abuse because the wounds are not seen from the outside. It takes a lot more work to heal and sometimes she isn't able to heal those wounds without lots of help. If you hear people say only bad stuff about you, it is almost impossible to believe the good stuff.
loving someone helps to put issues in the past...where they belong.. That is VERY true.. but it may take someone who has been abused a very long time to believe that you really care about them.
You will need lots and lots of patience. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/28/2007 4:54:28 AM | I for one am one of those women who grew up being abused. It wasnt from my father, but from my mother. Placed in numerous foster homes & then into abusive marriages. Yes, it was a pattern until I woke one morning & decided I didnt deserve the abuse anymore.That was 13 yrs ago.... I worked with battered women & children in shelters & it is an on going problem in this country & I feel the laws arent stiff enuff on the abusers. NO ONE deserves to be hit! For one to say another is damaged goods on account of the abuse is TOTALLY ridiculous......maybe when in a relationship the partner starts to show a display of control the woman pulls back or senses the possibility of another abusive relationship is in the works. I will never live in another controlling relationship as that is one of the first signs that the threat of abuse is possible. As for me......I crave love & affection but will run when someone trys to take control of my life. There is another thing about abused people.....seems many confuse a manic depressed or bi_polar or both to an abuse victim, that is not the case. Those are illnesses & should be diagnosed by a doctor. Some do fall in a deep depression because of the abuse, but when they over come it..you couldnt ask for a more loving & caring person. My question of you is...was you trying to control this woman? | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/28/2007 2:09:43 PM | | I was dating a woman who had bi polar disorder and she was very obsessive compulsive. she definately had OCD. She was very selfish and if things didn't go g=her way, she would cry like a 3 year old. She says this is from her father verbally abusing her in the past but she is 36 now. Do women ever get over this what should I do? | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/29/2007 5:17:38 PM | | This is probably just a good time for your to apply Occham's Razor: the simple solution is probably the correct one. If you love this woman, give her time, patience, and all the love you have to spare. Make sure she takes her medicine. Then, since you have probably done this all, learn about behavior modification. Don't announce it to her or anyone, because it will antagonize the situation. You'll learn to reward her good or stable behavior, and ignore the fit - throwing she is doing. You said you were dating her, are you still seeing her or just pals? I'm also going to advise you to leave the premises if you are still together, if you feel that she is a danger to herself or others. Give her time to cool down. Let me know how it works for you. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/29/2007 9:36:32 PM | | And sometimes it's difficult for women to feel loved when she's really used to feeling pain. Although she is out of that abusive relationship, she is much safer in it in her own mind because she is used to it. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/31/2007 12:01:06 AM |
And sometimes it's difficult for women to feel loved when she's really used to feeling pain. In this case, do you think she has any right to enter into another relationship? I mean, if someone doesn't know how to accept love, for the prominence of pain, then said person would be bringing past discrepencies into the new relationship, thus creating the beginning of the end, full-well knowing, and simply using what they can to get by. In said case(s), one should just seek companionship until he/she has overcome and forgiven, hence allowing both parties involved, to evolve in the truest of light and Love.
Although she is out of that abusive relationship, she is much safer in it in her own mind because she is used to it.
Safer? or more adaptable? Not only is this NOT safer, but much more dangerous, as well as mis-leading and creative of false hopes; for both involved.
I spent five years with a woman who was traumatized beyond compare, who had been raped by an uncle, mistreated and looked down upon by parents, and abused by following husband and boyfriends. When we met, her fear was so prominent that she introduced me to her 2 brothers. But as time went on, my Love for her brought out her love for herself, and then the secrets emerged. One by one...After a few months, her youngest brother became her son, and then her next younger brother also became her son. So it turned out she was a mommy to five, not three. The inspiring thing herein is that she brought these inner secrets/demons to the surface as a result of the reception of my love for her. And each time, I stood by her. Yes, it was a jolt to me, each and every time, but I love(ed) her, and it brought us even closer.
I didn't feel betrayed, I empathized.
Although we are no longer together, we are great friends and she has all of that behind her. She now shines like the star I saw when we met. I had let nothing interfere with my love for her, and she is a better woman for it, and I, a better man.
I believe if love is strong, secrets should be surfaced in a timely manner and abundantly. There should be no negative past to interfere with the positive future, for Love, like a seed, needs light to grow, not darkness.
Speaking from the heart, and from experience that would clutter this post, I know too well what past demons and secrets can do, or not, depending on the recipient and listener.
Love unconditionally! Or conditional Love is what will be achieved. Put it behind you, and share if you trust.
God Bless, Scott. | |
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| Dating a woman who has been abused in the past Posted: 5/31/2007 9:06:38 AM | | apparently brandiw has never been in an abusive relationship and this is a good thing for you but callin a person who has "damaged goods" is totally off base, any woman who has been abused has to make a choice to live with what happend and better themselves or let it drag them down, sometimes it takes a special caring person to help you get o ver that situation, understand time and love makes it easier, but calling an a bused person damaged goods is like saying ok your not a virgin so you are a slut. I have been in an abusive relationship, had my head smashed into a rock and miscarried but i am FAR from being a damaged good. Better take a long hard look before something like that is said again. | |
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