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 babydoll127

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Posted: 6/21/2009 5:50:34 AM

I think special needs kids make the world a better place. They remind us what is really important in life, not to take for granted the good things that we have, and to enjoy simple things in life. By knowing them, we learn how to love better, knowing they may be limited in how they can express love in return.


Very well put, I couldnt agree more!
 futureshock

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Posted: 6/22/2009 12:33:52 PM

Amore,

Science can prove just about anything it cares to. All you have to do is exclude whatever facts don't backup your hypothesis. Science used to prove that smoking cigarettes was harmless. If a study was done to see how many violent criminals had eaten wheat in the 12 hours prior to committing their crimes, we could conclude that bread causes violent behaviour. Have you read any of the literature which does not support vaccinations?


No, it cannot. Scientific studies are replicated by other scientists. If no other team of scientists get the same result, the original study will not be considered valid.
 Sage1971

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Posted: 6/22/2009 4:57:00 PM
Yes, vaccines are dangerous. First of all, they contain amongst other things, mercury (very toxic), chluoroform (very toxic), aluminium compounds (very toxic). Also, and quite ridiculously, they are being given to children in ever more increasing amounts these days.

FACT!!!! they are dangerous to a child's developing immune system.
FACT!!!! doctors,etc get paid bonuses to give these shots to children.
FACT!!!! the science behind the 'immunisation' is itself 'pseudo science'.
FACT!!!! you can get the disease even by being so called 'immunised' (documented/proved many times over), and sometimes from the vaccine itself (documented/proved many times over) .
FACT!!!! it does weaken all of our immune systems.
FACT!!!! there are thousands of law-suits around the world against pharmaceutical companies by the public from damage done through these things to their children (goes unreported by the mainstream sellout media).
FACT!!!! the same people who sit on the panels of the British Medical Association and other similar offices are the same people who are linked to or are directors, etc in the pharmaceutical companies themselves. Talk about unethical and conflict of interest.
FACT!!!! most of the major diseases around the developed world were wiped out naturally by improved hygeine and sanitation in the early 1950's (UK government statistics themselves prove this!!!!!).
FACT!!!! There are doctors around the world who have written books/articles/etc about the dangers of vacciantion (e.g Archie Kalokerinos MD, Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD,Veira Scheibner PhD,etc,etc).
FACT!!!! The only reason why diseases are a major issue in places like Africa is because the people there are starving, and when you're malnourished, your immune system is much much much weaker. So, by giving these poor people vaccines, the companies/governments are making them even more weaker,ill,etc,etc.

Enough said - but do your own research, and don't be swept along by the mainstream hype!!!
http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html
 futureshock

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Posted: 6/22/2009 5:00:30 PM


The following information on the levels of mercury and other preservatives is public information taken from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration web site.
Introduction

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing organic compound (an organomercurial). Since the 1930s, it has been widely used as a preservative in a number of biological and drug products, including many vaccines, to help prevent potentially life threatening contamination with harmful microbes. Over the past several years, because of an increasing awareness of the theoretical potential for neurotoxicity of even low levels of organomercurials and because of the increased number of thimerosal containing vaccines that had been added to the infant immunization schedule, concerns about the use of thimerosal in vaccines and other products have been raised. Indeed, because of these concerns, the Food and Drug Administration has worked with, and continues to work with, vaccine manufacturers to reduce or eliminate thimerosal from vaccines.

Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (> 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose.
http://www.autismcoach.com/FDA%20Thimerisol%20Information.htm
 SciGuyRoss

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Posted: 6/22/2009 5:39:32 PM

FACT!!!! they are dangerous to a child's developing immune system.

Actually, being exposed to germs and things that look like germs (vaccines) is CRITICAL in developing an immune system. If a child grew up in a clean room, he or she would have next to no resistance to pathogens.


FACT!!!! doctors,etc get paid bonuses to give these shots to children.

Doctors would make so much more money if diseases went rampant through society.


FACT!!!! you can get the disease even by being so called 'immunised' (documented/proved many times over), and sometimes from the vaccine itself (documented/proved many times over) .

1. Sometimes a person won't respond adequately to a vaccine to gain resistance. This is particularly true of the elderly. Other times, in the case of viruses, the vaccine will protect against a different strain than the one that spreads through the population. In either case, the vaccine did no harm.

2. Only attenuated ("live") vaccines, which use significantly weakened forms of the microbe, have the potential to cause a (usually milder) form of the disease. This only is a concern for people that are immunocompromised (have weakened immune systems from AIDS, chemotherapy, etc.). Doctors don't give attenuated vaccines to patients they suspect to be immunocompromised. Killed vaccines (fragments of the virus or bacteria) and recombinant vaccines (from genetic modifications to the microbial DNA or RNA), do not cause disease even in the immunocompromised. (If you have uncontrolled AIDS, any vaccine is pretty much pointless, though.)


Enough said - but do your own research, and don't be swept along by the mainstream hype!!!

Some people just naturally mistrust the government, the media, the scientific community, etc. Are you a conspiracy theorist on a lot of issues?

I submit that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC ) and the World Health Organization (WHO) are where you should begin your research. They are the leaders in US and global health policy respectively.


http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html

One look at this website tells you that it was made by an amateur with minimal skill in web design. Wouldn't a reputable source have the resources to make a decent website?
 futureshock

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Posted: 6/23/2009 10:41:09 AM


http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html


One look at this website tells you that it was made by an amateur with minimal skill in web design. Wouldn't a reputable source have the resources to make a decent website?


Why not try to refute some of the things on that website instead of belittling it? I went to the website and it looked fine to me. I found this information, and I'd like to know your opinion on it:


"There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good."---Dr. J. Anthony Morris, former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist, US FDA

"There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway."------Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA)
 SciGuyRoss

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Posted: 6/23/2009 3:37:58 PM
Ok. I tried to figure out if Dr. J. Anthony Morris is a real person. A search on Pubmed (huge US government database of abstracts of health-related journal articles) gave no results. That made me think he never even existed. Well, I later found out that he did indeed work for the FDA, but was later "involuntarily removed" from the FDA after several hearings. The other thing I might mention is that this quote seems to come from the 1970s. Much of the material on this site seems to talk about what happened in the 1970s. Why not look at recent research and what doctors are saying today? Even if it were true that vaccines weren't that good in the 1970s, why would that mean that our current vaccines are not effective?


"Dr. Morris was subsequently involuntarily removed from government service by FDA, and his removal was upheld after a series of hearings and appeals. June Osborne, In the Matter of Witch Hunts, 240 J.A.M.A. 1616 (October 6, 1978); and General Accounting Office, Answers to Questions on Selected FDA Bureau of Biolonics’ Regulation Activities, HRD-80-55 (1980)"

-- http://google2.fda.gov/search?q=cache:wREx8KEt9hkJ:www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/80n0208/80n-0208-c000030-01-vol142.pdf+Dr.+J.+Anthony+Morris&access=p&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&lr=&client=FDAgov&site=FDAgov&proxystylesheet=FDAgov&oe=UTF-8

or

-- http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/80n0208/80n-0208-c000030-01-vol142.pdf


By the way, J.A.M.A. stands for Journal of the American Medical Association. It's not as prestigious as the New England Journal of Medicine, but it is still widely read.

If these doctors listed on this website are experts, one should be able to find out where they work. Hospitals often let you search through the credentials of every physician they employ on their websites. Surely the site would be more credible if it told you where each of these doctors is working. Why not tell us the articles they have published in research journals, at least? They are, after all, experts correct?

I also can't seem to find a physical street address nor a mailing address to contact the site. That's a big red flag on whether information on the web can be trusted. For comparison, here's the corporate information I found about who's behind webmd.com

http://www.wbmd.com/contactus.shtml
 SciGuyRoss

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Posted: 6/23/2009 3:48:46 PM
If you have the scientific background or tenacity to read scientific journal articles, you can look up the results of studies from the source, rather than second or third hand information.

For access to freely available health-related journal articles, go to this database.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/

Here's an example of efficacy of the influenza vaccine.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2638553&tool=pmcentrez&rendertype=abstract

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=2638553
Note: understanding the appendix of that article requires familiarity with matrix algebra.
 cathlong77

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Posted: 6/23/2009 5:02:40 PM
hiya, it depends what type of autism it is! my son who is now 11 wasnt diagnosed with aspergers (higher functioning autism) until he was around 6 or 7 so how they can say that i dont know!
i didnt get my second son immunised because i had heard so much about the link between the vaccine and autism, and ended up with an autistic child myself.
am not saying all children who have this vaccine will get some form of autism but i do feel more reserch needs to be done to see if this link is factual!
wish i could give you more help,
cath
 carterscutie85

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Posted: 9/5/2009 12:23:24 PM
I realize this thread is 3 years old but can I wait to get that vaccination that some people think leads to autism? Could I elect to have it at say, age 2 or 3 rather than 18 months?
 CaRo31

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Posted: 9/5/2009 1:16:19 PM
you run the risk of you child being infected if you wait on it!

I wouldnt worry about it yet, get your visitation or 50/50 sorted out first and consult your babies father on if you should wait or not!
 futureshock

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Posted: 9/5/2009 1:23:43 PM

I realize this thread is 3 years old but can I wait to get that vaccination that some people think leads to autism? Could I elect to have it at say, age 2 or 3 rather than 18 months?


I have heard people say that they have their children's doctors just give their children fewer vaccines all at once, spreading out their vaccinations over more visits, so it isn't such a shock to their systems. I'm not sure if this helps, but it sounds logical.
 heterotic

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Posted: 9/5/2009 3:16:11 PM

I realize this thread is 3 years old but can I wait to get that vaccination that some people think leads to autism? Could I elect to have it at say, age 2 or 3 rather than 18 months?


There is no vaccine that leads to autism. DNA mutations occur during DNA replication (and can occur with radiation exposure), meaning that if your child has the genetic variations that make him or her more likely to get it, there is nothing you can do about it. In the future, there will be genetic testing available to discover if you or your partner carry these mutations, and if your child has these as well.

Please do not listen to media hyped BS, especially when it comes to the health of your children. These are deadly diseases that caused major wipeouts in human population, and it's important to give your children immunities against them, especially since there was a surge in non-vaccinations because of the common misinformation.
 SweetnessInLove

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Posted: 9/5/2009 3:24:42 PM
Sure you can wait, are you confident that your child wont get measles/mumps/rubella/polio/varicella/ whatnot in the meantime?

I think with all these parents not vaccinating due to this bullshit hype about autism being caused by vaccines will eventually see a resurgence in the deadly childhood diseases. Smarten up parents, vaccinate your kids.
 Ideoform

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Posted: 9/9/2009 11:29:32 AM
There are safer ways to vaccinate than we are currently doing. This is a fact.

We have been lax about thinking ahead. The original vaccines were created because there was a deadly disease that was absolutely horrible, and this method worked. But at a small cost of a few people. We were highly motivated to find ANY way to deal with polio, for instance.

Now we have twenty more vaccinations we give to very tiny babies...and nobody has really thought much about how many we can actually give to an infant without changing the infant's immune system in a negative way. What is the upper limit? 50? 100? Are we actually going to consider putting a copy or an original of every deadly disease known to man into every infant before they reach the age of two? Does anyone know how this will ultimately affect our children? The answer is NO.

We were lax about thinking about the effect of adding more vaccines, because the original mercury preservative was meant for one dose only. Twenty times that amount is way more toxic. Although there is really no "safe" level of mercury for a person.

It is a toxin, and the best amount of mercury in a baby is zero. That is also a fact.

We were lax in thinking about the effect it might have on a baby of reving up their immune system towards more than one deadly disease at a time. Did we study infants to see if their immune systems were developed enough to handle more than one vaccine at a time consistently? No.

Did we study what to do if we reved up an infant's immune system and it stayed constantly reved up? Do we know how to calm it down so the infant doesn't develop chronic immune regulation problems down the line? No.

Did we study other ways to deliver a vaccine besides injecting it? Yes. And the reason is that some of our immune system was designed to function at the nose and mouth, where the mucous membranes function to deal with invaders. Most diseases do not enter the human body directly into the bloodstream. They enter through the nose, eyes, mouth, genitals. The bodies' natural defense mechanisms were designed to face the first assault at these points, not directly in the bloodstream.
Yet, we still use injections for most immunizations.

Many diseases we are trying to eradicate are not as serious as the first ones we developed vaccinations for. This means we are not looking anymore for safer ways to deal with them. Vaccinations were never designed to handle every type of human disease. It probably isn't the best way to do this kind of health care.

If a disease isn't deadly, and we aren't at a huge risk of being exposed to it, then we need to balance the risks to many of our children of getting vaccinated for everything against the benefits of eradicating a disease with a vaccination alone.

Every vaccination needs a preservative, for one thing. Unless you can somehow get a "fresh" vaccination, every baby will be getting an injection of a preservative at the same time as they are getting the deadly disease pushed into their bloodstream. This preservative dose accumulates, and infants livers are not fully developed until age 3, and so might not be able to eliminate the toxic preservative.

We never planned to look into the genetic differences of various children and how that affects their reactions to vaccines. Some of these reactions are deadly. And so each time a parent brings a child to be vaccinated, they are taking the chance that their child's genetic makeup is the kind that will make the vaccination deadly to him. And so the vaccination is now itself a deadly disease. Only we have control over this one.

Let's take the control we do have and work to make vaccinations safer and more effective, and not to use the shotgun approach and vaccinate everyone in exactly the same way--we know for a fact that some people cannot get vaccinations without becoming seriously ill or dying. These children and adults should be allowed to live. They have a right to live.

There are other health care practices that could keep us safe from the risk of having a small part of our population un-vaccinated. Already we currently live in a society where not everyone gets vaccinated for many reasons. So we should not let the idea of vaccination make us lax about taking regular precautions to avoid illness. We can find better methods of public hygiene, and other types of medications and lifestyle practices that don't rely so heavily on trying only to "eradicate" the disease.

Although complete eradication is an admirable goal, and one worth pursuing, there will always be genetic mutations of viruses and bacteria that will cause us to continue to have to deal with public health concerns in the future. At what point will vaccination itself become unviable? At that point we will seriously be in trouble if we have no other resources to rely on.

A safer way might be to vaccinate only:
with thimerisol-free vaccines
with a minimum amount of total preservative (shake the bottle, etc.)
only one disease at a time
space them out long enough for the infant's body to get rid of the preservative before doing the next
space them out long enough for the infant's immune response to go back to normal before initiating the next immune challenge
never, ever vaccinate a sick child, wait until the illness is over
don't give Tylenol before vaccination, since this can affect the natural immune response

* Research needs to continue to find safer ways of preserving vaccinations. (Refrigeration-only comes to mind.)
* Research needs to continue to discover for which genetic types of humans vaccinations are fatal, or will cause serious chronic immune disruption, so that parents can make an informed choice about EACH vaccine.
* Research needs to continue to discover and educate the population about other public health practices that can protect our health so that we have several lines of defense against deadly diseases besides relying on vaccinations, in the event we "discover" there IS an upper limit to how often we can vaccinate an individual in their lifetime or at least in early childhood.
* Research needs to continue to discover ways to calm the immune system of a child or adult if/when a vaccination causes a reaction that does not stop on its own, or that continues toward an unhealthy process leading to chronic disease, like aut0-immune disorders, and severe allergies.
* Research needs to continue to find the best timing for a vaccination. There is probably an optimal time to vaccinate. For instance, many vaccinations require multiple doses because the immune system changes over time. Some of this is due to the child's development. There is also probably a "sub-optimal" time to vaccinate. In other words, there might be times in a child's development when it is the worst time to vaccinate.
* Research needs to continue to find ways to create vaccines that don't rely on animal proteins being injected into human bodies. This is one of the reasons many people are allergic to eggs. Many vaccines are created by injecting the diseases into live eggs.
* Research needs to continue to find a way to decide which deadly diseases are going to be best dealt with by a vaccination, and which we will deal with another way. Because there are too many diseases to vaccinate against all of them, since there are always going to be new ones appearing. There needs to be a process of thinking about what factors/elements are most important.

* We need to study if there is a better way to vaccinate, like vaccinating regions instead of everybody. Perhaps it isn't necessary to get vaccinated for certain diseases in every area at all times. For instance, when are we going to ever stop vaccinating for a particular disease?

Polio, for instance, is not a common disease anymore. Unfortunately, it was never completely removed from the planet. Governments all store deadly diseases for future use as a biological weapon or as a biological museum of DNA. We will never get rid of any deadly disease totally because of this possiblity. And because we can never prove completely to everyone's satisfaction that a disease is completly "gone," then no disease can ever be eliminated from the list of vaccinations, under our current vaccination policy.

My child had a bad reaction to a vaccine. I had a right to know that this was going to be a possiblity. Unfortunately, my Doctor didn't have access to the information I needed to make an informed decision about my son's vaccination. I want that information available for the next generation of parents so they won't have to go through what I went through. And if they do, it will be part of a much better informed choice than the one I was given and have to live with.

Everyone lives with the problem of the children who have been hurt by vaccinations. It affects the entire family, and the community. They require special education, special medical care, and often housing and supervision for the rest of their lives. I would like this "deadly" disease treated with the same care and concern about its "prevalence" as the ones that the vaccinations that caused it are trying to eradicate.
 1kindMan4U

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Posted: 9/9/2009 4:20:20 PM
If you have a child due for vaccines, go to the autism society to get info. There HAVE been some studies that show a correlation, but I dont think the causation has been proven beyond doubt.
 divagreen

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Posted: 9/9/2009 5:12:27 PM

If you have a child due for vaccines, go to the autism society to get info. There HAVE been some studies that show a correlation, but I dont think the causation has been proven beyond doubt.


It is the whole, "proven beyond doubt" that is the catch.

Autism is more prevalent in boys.
It has been noted that boy bodies have a harder time processing mercury.
Behavior changes are usually observed by the parents, after a vaccine.

Just because it has not been observed in a laboratory, does not invalidate the parents observations...
 mixy3106

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Posted: 9/9/2009 6:11:09 PM
"Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women. Some vaccines such as Td, which is indicated for older children (≥ 7 years of age) and adults, are also now available in formulations that are free of thimerosal or contain only trace amounts. Vaccines with trace amounts of thimerosal contain 1 microgram or less of mercury per dose."

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228


"Some people believe increased exposure to thimerosal (from the addition of important new vaccines recommended for children) explains the higher prevalence in recent years. However, evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association. Furthermore, a scientific review* by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that "the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism." "

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/updates/thimerosal.htm
 divagreen

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Posted: 9/9/2009 7:35:49 PM

"Some people believe increased exposure to thimerosal (from the addition of important new vaccines recommended for children) explains the higher prevalence in recent years. However, evidence from several studies examining trends in vaccine use and changes in autism frequency does not support such an association. Furthermore, a scientific review* by the Institute of Medicine (IOM) concluded that "the evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism." "


Yeah, I have read articles like these as well.

Do you have an autistic child? If not, then you shouldn't dismiss cumulative findings by parents who have autistic children.

You shouldn't discount their experiences.
 Ideoform

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Posted: 9/9/2009 8:22:32 PM
It's kind of scary to think that the FDA and the CDC might have a vested interest in the outcome of studies about vaccines that they consider mandatory and have recommended for years. But they do have a vested interest.

And so maybe they are a bit biased and motivated to prove the saftey of what they have been advocating. If mercury is safe, then why is it so important for them to reassure us that it is not in use in any more vaccines?

If they were to come out and say that mistakes were made or things were miscalculated, lawsuits would proliferate. And we couldn't have that.

So why can't we have accountability without lawsuits? Why isn't there any in-between ground between total acceptance of everything that is told to us, and a lawsuit? This makes it very hard for the medical system and the political system that deals with medical issues to adapt to change, to new knowledge, new developments, and new health threats. And even to respond honestly to requests for change in saftey regulations from groups of concerned parents.
 ~BlaBla~

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Posted: 9/9/2009 8:39:42 PM

In the early 1980s, the incidence of autism was 1 in 10,000 births. By 2005, the incidence had leaped to 1 in 250 births, and today it is 1 in 150 births and still climbing.
One of the strongest links to this terrible set of disorders was a drastic change in the vaccine programs of the United States and many other countries, which included a dramatic increase in the number of vaccines being given at a very early age. No other explanation has been forthcoming from the medical elite.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/04/01/the-dangers-of-excessive-childhood-vaccinations.aspx

And why do we have to prove that vaccinating newborns can be dangerous? Why don't they have to prove that it's safe? Long term.

Have you read the disclaimer for the swine flu vaccination? No one can take the pharmaceutical companies to court for any side effects or damage, ever. I guess they learned their lesson: Protect yourself from being held responsible for the damage you inflict...
 That_Is_Mommy2*

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Posted: 9/10/2009 1:03:58 AM
Notice they use the term Autism now?

Notice that there is suddenly no "retards" in our society.
They simply exchanged 1 term for the other to be politically correct, because people didnt want their kids being classified as retards!

My son is prohibited from playing with unvacinated children.
if their parents are stupid enough to risk deadly diseases (that were basically wiped out at one point) then they are welcome to kill their own children but not mine.
Why would any parent risk their childs life??

Be responsible people vacinate your damn kids and keep them safe, if they are autistic they are autistic.
 catseyeslinda

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Posted: 9/10/2009 2:29:55 AM
well in responce to the above post . you are lucky your child can play with other kids . why cant he play with unvaccinated kids if he himself is vaccinated . if your son is vacinated isnt he covered for your so called deadly diseases i . why dont you put yourself in another parents shoes my son was born normaL (NOT A RETARD ) Those were your words and disgusting . he was nearly 2 and he regressed . wat happened to my son . wat happened to the now thousands apon thousands of other kids . why dont you look up you tube( Robert Kennedy on the Vaccine Autism Coverup )CDC Chief Admits that Vaccines Trigger Autism) dont slagg of others who are living a nightmare . but rejoice this poisen did not take your child ......... my grandaughter im paying for her vaccines im not risking her with poisen . i agree kids need vaccinated but remove the crap thirmosal (mercury it is toxic . look up mercury poisining look up autism they are the same (the flu vaccine still has thirmosal in it ) stop buring your head in the sand and listen .
 catseyeslinda

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Posted: 9/10/2009 4:44:05 AM
PS i ment to say there is RETARDS in our society its ignorant folks who slander others . as a mother of a AUTISTIC CHILD i take these words as seriously ofencive and i read your profile you dont want ethnic minority groups to contact you . How sad can one human being be . I pitty you .
 Cherie~

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Posted: 9/10/2009 6:42:29 AM

At my school we have a health nurse come in and I asked her about it. She told me that 18mnths is usually the time autism shows up and is not associated with the vaccine. I was just wondering is anyone else has heard of these vaccines causing probelms.


Wow your children are at school at 18 months? Or is that the way I read the post?

A very close friend of mine has an autistic child (I know several autistic children), he is one of twins, she said he was fine until the 18 month jab. But she said she cannot prove anything, but being a mother you know how your child is, you know your child, then to notice a change and have nothing done about it... I have stayed away from some jabs, I did not know as much as I do now when the twins where small. But if I had the choice again I would stay away.


This is just my own personal oppinion.

I am blessed my children are autodidactic

Cherie xx
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